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[VIDEOS] Prithvi Shaw - The most overrated batter of the millennium

None of them are pedigree players lol. They were not really hyped. Manjrekar and Kambli are possibly two exceptions. Kambli still finished with an average of 54. Manju completely went off the boil.

I know but just thinking about the calibre of players that got an opportunity to play for india due to favouritism, politics and quota system makes me cringe. Just hilarious though lol.
 
Shaw has played 2 test matches, with a 100 and a 50. What in the world are you on about ?

Reading some comments on here, I feel some Pak fans seems to be confusing Shaw with someone else ? Looking like Shastri's brother ? what the ??? lol the kid looks like he is 17......

They are just a bunch of confused critics who haven't bothered to watch Shaw bat or take a look at his career so far. Nearly every match he has played, he looked not just world class, but made other internationals look ordinary.

Expect the usual brigade to stay in denial about what they see though, can't be helped. :uakmal
 
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Huge talent.But maybe inducted too early in intl

Goes hard at everything.

Gill on the other hands seems more mature if not as talented
 
Huge talent.But maybe inducted too early in intl

Goes hard at everything.

Gill on the other hands seems more mature if not as talented

Bit like Sehwag trying to dominate every ball. He will learn as he matures. We don't need seasoned craps like Wasim Jaffer who without actually going after bowling edging Brett Lee to slips.
 
Bit like Sehwag trying to dominate every ball. He will learn as he matures. We don't need seasoned craps like Wasim Jaffer who without actually going after bowling edging Brett Lee to slips.

2 FC seasons can be given unless the player already shows maturity

As for Jaffer,he played a crucial part in us winning England 2007 and has overseas double ton.That without any special talent. Not all that bad
 
He may struggle in cold NZ, Eng, Aus and SA conditions batting early on day 1 and 2 but he wil be a stellar for a player.
 
Good for India that by the time Kohli and Pujara retires, Gill and Shaw will be 25+ and at peak of their powers. Moreover, if Jaiswal is able to live up to the hype then he might find a place in the team as well.
 
2 FC seasons can be given unless the player already shows maturity

As for Jaffer,he played a crucial part in us winning England 2007 and has overseas double ton.That without any special talent. Not all that bad

First class season is way beneath his level. He will thrash them for fun.
 
First class season is way beneath his level. He will thrash them for fun.

Lol you're hyping as if he already has 20 intl tons.He's just a raw talent who doesn't know how how to build an innings

As of now he'll be an IPL superstar but won't survive much once there's any movement.

Some time can be given to tighten his technique and develop his game.Various challenges in FC provide that opportunity
 
2 FC seasons can be given unless the player already shows maturity

As for Jaffer,he played a crucial part in us winning England 2007 and has overseas double ton.That without any special talent. Not all that bad

Shaw has played 20 FC matches. Thats roughy two FC seasons.
 
Lol you're hyping as if he already has 20 intl tons.He's just a raw talent who doesn't know how how to build an innings

As of now he'll be an IPL superstar but won't survive much once there's any movement.

Some time can be given to tighten his technique and develop his game.Various challenges in FC provide that opportunity

Players with 10s and 15s years of experience in Tets can still be susceptible to swing.
 
That's fine.But you are a sitting duck if you flash hard at every single delivery

You think it is an unfixable issue like Kohli did? It is basically a shot selection issue. Kohli couldn't even leave the ball with any degree of certainty when he toured England. He left the ball that came back to him only to be bowled.
 
You think it is an unfixable issue like Kohli did? It is basically a shot selection issue. Kohli couldn't even leave the ball with any degree of certainty when he toured England. He left the ball that came back to him only to be bowled.

Ofcourse it is fixable. And that requires going back to the drawing board unti there's a degree of control

Kohli's issue was form issue and more mental.Anderson was incredible too
 
Ofcourse it is fixable. And that requires going back to the drawing board unti there's a degree of control

Kohli's issue was form issue and more mental.Anderson was incredible too

Which drawing board you are talking about. You learn at the highest level. That is where you will see thee conditions see such bowlers not in domestic or county.
 
Which drawing board you are talking about. You learn at the highest level. That is where you will see thee conditions see such bowlers not in domestic or county.

You don't learn basic stuff at international level(like not going at everything)

We'll be losing a lot till he learns

County or even some Indian pitches are tough.
 
You don't learn basic stuff at international level(like not going at everything)

We'll be losing a lot till he learns

County or even some Indian pitches are tough.

For ordinary players it will be tough. For someone who has been making waves since he was in school it shouldn't be an issue.
 
They are just a bunch of confused critics who haven't bothered to watch Shaw bat or take a look at his career so far. Nearly every match he has played, he looked not just world class, but made other internationals look ordinary.

Expect the usual brigade to stay in denial about what they see though, can't be helped. :uakmal

From what i’ve seen, he plays a couple of big shots and gets out.

Alas. We’ll see what he does
 
From what i’ve seen, he plays a couple of big shots and gets out.

Alas. We’ll see what he does

You have not seen enough then. He is an over-confident batsman. That is the only problem. Don't you remember he made 41 of 42 balls against pakistan under-19 world cup before he got run out? He is an aggressive batsman by nature. He finished under-19 world cup with an average of 65.
 
From what i’ve seen, he plays a couple of big shots and gets out.

Alas. We’ll see what he does

well you haven't seen enough. He is a special talent. He needs to work on his fitness. Don't know how you develop a pot belly at this young age.
 
I wish the indian board allows Shaw to play county for practice.

He would be way better already. Look at what it did to an average talent like labuschagne. Dude was behind even khawaja, wade in the order with an average of 38 in shield cricket.

Now he is a superstar.
 
well you haven't seen enough. He is a special talent. He needs to work on his fitness. Don't know how you develop a pot belly at this young age.

Out for 39 off 31 balls :wahab2

And someone got triggered when i said he barely even crosses fifty :asif
 
The problem is simple. There is a huge gap between bat and pad. Bowlers like Sutherland in U19 WC were getting him out due to that so I don't think he can last in front of the best bowlers in the business.
 
I wish the indian board allows Shaw to play county for practice.

He would be way better already. Look at what it did to an average talent like labuschagne. Dude was behind even khawaja, wade in the order with an average of 38 in shield cricket.

Now he is a superstar.

it's not that everyone becomes superstar after playing county. labu has worked hard to become what he is now. He worked on his technique in those difficult conditions and now he is getting rewards for it. not every player who played in county will be great.
 
I agree and he probably will but the problem starts when people start overrating players beforehand.

Both Gill and Shaw were not just rated by fans. But former greats and other players as well. They are learning to cope with international pressure. So many under-19 players are playing. Not everyone is rated. Only a handful like Gill, Shaw are rate. Shaw as soon as he made 546 at prestigious school level cricket which made guys like Tendulkar, Kambli famous was identified as a prodigy. He then went on to become the youngest Duleep Trophy cenutrion beating Sachin. So far in Tests he has done well as projected. Couple of failures won't make him over-rated.
 
He will be really good if indian team gives him chances and he keeps improving. I will say he has ability to be in top 5 batsman for future. Maybe for now he looks overrated but he can improve as age is with him.
 
Are you saying Sehwag cant get into current Indian team? :inti

Well he's too old :msd

On a serious,I'd prefer much rather have someone who performs overseas now.Though Sehwag used to be a beast in Asia
 
Sehwag failed everywhere overseas except Aus. That is not acceptable anymore by our current standards

Getting out to vettori while slogging has nothing to do with playing overseas. He did make 2 centuries in the ODI series where everybody including Dravid, Tendulkar struggled.

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That is Sehwag. He can play positively even in testing conditions. He could have made mountains of runs in NZ when pitches were absolutely flat. Gambhir batted for 10 hours to save a test. Everybody clicked in that series. But he kept going after bowling and got out. Another series in NZ was a dubious series where NZ rolled out drop in pitches where the batting first almost impossible. His strike rate in NZ is 97 in the tests. I don't think he is that bad a player in those conditions.

When everybody was struggling to pick Mendis he was playing him like nobody's business. Akhtar, Saqlain, Murali, Herath, Steyn, Ntini, Mcgrath all wilted against Sehwag on true wickets. If he is anything like Shewag i would glady take him.
 
Getting out to vettori while slogging has nothing to do with playing overseas. He did make 2 centuries in the ODI series where everybody including Dravid, Tendulkar struggled.

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That is Sehwag. He can play positively even in testing conditions. He could have made mountains of runs in NZ when pitches were absolutely flat. Gambhir batted for 10 hours to save a test. Everybody clicked in that series. But he kept going after bowling and got out. Another series in NZ was a dubious series where NZ rolled out drop in pitches where the batting first almost impossible. His strike rate in NZ is 97 in the tests. I don't think he is that bad a player in those conditions.

When everybody was struggling to pick Mendis he was playing him like nobody's business. Akhtar, Saqlain, Murali, Herath, Steyn, Ntini, Mcgrath all wilted against Sehwag on true wickets. If he is anything like Shewag i would glady take him.

Overseas even on pattas you need some patience early on.Even his best innings in Aus came when he was patient early on.Sehwag was my favourite so I'm not criticising him.Ofcourse he was best player in Asia :srt

But is a Gambhir better option today?(assuming he continued his form of 2009-10.

Agarwal seems in that mould to me and should be fine in this series
 
This thread is unnecessarily running a promising batsman down without giving him some time to settle down. Rohit-5yrs, jadeja- 5yrs, raina-4/5 yrs. And 2 of them are regular/great ODI/Test players now. As for shaw, with the kind of skill he is reported to possess, even that much long rope is not required. I am sure he will prove himself in 2-3 years, at least in tests (where competition is less) and if some fortune favours him even in ODIs too (where severe competition for top half is there.)
 
Overseas even on pattas you need some patience early on.Even his best innings in Aus came when he was patient early on.Sehwag was my favourite so I'm not criticising him.Ofcourse he was best player in Asia :srt

But is a Gambhir better option today?(assuming he continued his form of 2009-10.

Agarwal seems in that mould to me and should be fine in this series

Despite all that of al lthe people only guy who made two triple hundreds was Sehwag. He almost made another. Lot of 150 plus scores. These guys can completely demoralize the opposition in a single session. Srikkanth was doing that in the 80s. Sehwag was a huge upgrade. Shaw is in that mold plus he is a fantastic backfoot player. Just his frontfoot game needs some tune up. Being aggressive right from his childhood days. So that is his game. We shouldn't disturb it too much. He will learn over the course how to be more selective.
 
Despite all that of al lthe people only guy who made two triple hundreds was Sehwag. He almost made another. Lot of 150 plus scores. These guys can completely demoralize the opposition in a single session. Srikkanth was doing that in the 80s. Sehwag was a huge upgrade. Shaw is in that mold plus he is a fantastic backfoot player. Just his frontfoot game needs some tune up. Being aggressive right from his childhood days. So that is his game. We shouldn't disturb it too much. He will learn over the course how to be more selective.

I'm sure Shaw will be fine in India and win us games.It's overseas that's where we are judged.That earns respect.

As for Sehwag,he was the best player of spin I've seen.If Shaw is like that that'd be huge.His defensive technique(straight bat) too was good for Indian pitches

Ofcourse Shaw is exciting and should be encouraged:)
 
I'm sure Shaw will be fine in India and win us games.It's overseas that's where we are judged.That earns respect.

As for Sehwag,he was the best player of spin I've seen.If Shaw is like that that'd be huge.His defensive technique(straight bat) too was good for Indian pitches

Ofcourse Shaw is exciting and should be encouraged:)

With guys like Rahane, Pujara, Kohli around this is the right time to blood these guys. We don't want to bring them in when there is a huge vacuum. So many teams have suffered because of this. Losing all top players at the same time
 
Despite all that of al lthe people only guy who made two triple hundreds was Sehwag. He almost made another. Lot of 150 plus scores. These guys can completely demoralize the opposition in a single session. Srikkanth was doing that in the 80s. Sehwag was a huge upgrade. Shaw is in that mold plus he is a fantastic backfoot player. Just his frontfoot game needs some tune up. Being aggressive right from his childhood days. So that is his game. We shouldn't disturb it too much. He will learn over the course how to be more selective.

Good point all these. But think from this Indian team success perspective. We have Rohit, Mayank, Pujara, Kohli, Ashwin and Jadeja. They are so brilliant at home that India have quite easily defeated oppositions at home and won pretty much all of the matches barring two or three. The question mark still is away series wins and that too in SENA mostly. So, while Shaw can be as good as Rohit and in very short period of time, you would rather want a more compact all-rounded bat with strong defense.
 
Good point all these. But think from this Indian team success perspective. We have Rohit, Mayank, Pujara, Kohli, Ashwin and Jadeja. They are so brilliant at home that India have quite easily defeated oppositions at home and won pretty much all of the matches barring two or three. The question mark still is away series wins and that too in SENA mostly. So, while Shaw can be as good as Rohit and in very short period of time, you would rather want a more compact all-rounded bat with strong defense.

The term away is far too generic. Your batting technique is still the same. So many Indians who grew up in Indian conditions went on to do well overseas. There is no reason why this guy won't do. When the conditions don't help NZ pitches are flatter than Indian pitches. So the away argument really goes for a toss. 5th day of an Indian pitch is way harder than 5th day NZ pitch. SA is a place where you score quicly and also lose wickets in cluster. It is not applicable only to overseas team. It is also applicable to home team. They also struggle. Australia was reduced to 24/9 in SA. A team that had the likes of Michael clarke.
 
The term away is far too generic. Your batting technique is still the same. So many Indians who grew up in Indian conditions went on to do well overseas. There is no reason why this guy won't do. When the conditions don't help NZ pitches are flatter than Indian pitches. So the away argument really goes for a toss. 5th day of an Indian pitch is way harder than 5th day NZ pitch. SA is a place where you score quicly and also lose wickets in cluster. It is not applicable only to overseas team. It is also applicable to home team. They also struggle. Australia was reduced to 24/9 in SA. A team that had the likes of Michael clarke.

Are Bhai, we are talking only about this no.1 Indian team and what's stopping them from becoming not just a no.1 team but a really really great team- that is overseas wins. That Clarke team won't be remembered as historically great team.

The reason why we lost in SA and England- Our batsmen bar Kohli didn't applied themselves well. If we had a couple of better batters for those conditions, we could have won those series.That team was coming from such great home dominance by all our batsmen and we lost those two series. If we win more in SENA, then this team will be remembered more all-round great years down the line.
 
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Are Bhai, we are talking only about this no.1 Indian team and what's stopping them from becoming not just a no.1 team but a really really great team- that is overseas wins. That Clarke team won't be remembered as historically great team.

The reason why we lost in SA and England- Our batsmen bar Kohli didn't applied themselves well. If we had a couple of better batters for those conditions, we could have won those series.That team was coming from such great home dominance by all our batsmen and we lost those two series. If we win more in SENA, then this team will be remembered more all-round great years down the line.

If you check India's loss carefull you would notice we lost cluster of wickets to Moeen Ali which is ridiculous in my view. Infact he proved to be a major difference in a couple of series. They played Moeen well in India.

Moeen Ali vs India in England

7 tests 31 wickets Avge 22.22 Strike rate 38.6

Strike rate is Dale Steynsque. Basically Moeen Ali takes a wicket against India every six overs. No subcontinent team would lose this many wickets to Moeen Ali that too in England.
 
If you check India's loss carefull you would notice we lost cluster of wickets to Moeen Ali which is ridiculous in my view. Infact he proved to be a major difference in a couple of series. They played Moeen well in India.

Moeen Ali vs India in England

7 tests 31 wickets Avge 22.22 Strike rate 38.6

Strike rate is Dale Steynsque. Basically Moeen Ali takes a wicket against India every six overs. No subcontinent team would lose this many wickets to Moeen Ali that too in England.

It just one of many reasons.. india could not sustain pressure for more than 1 session of test and eventually they just let opposition off the hook. A great team will not do that.
So even though they are number 1 test team they have not achieved that killer attitude and players who can change the complexion of game in matter of minutes be it batsmen or bowlers.. and of ofcourse this applies only for away games..
 
He's not at the level of KL Rahul। No one is। Even Brian Lara wasn't at the level of KL Rahul. From last 40 years only Tendulkar or maybe peak Viv could be argued to have possessed more talent than KL Rahul.

Having said Shaw could still be the greatest batsman of this generation for any other cricket playing nation except India.
 
Fantastic talent alongwith Gill.

Really goes hard, shades of Sehwag. Also gets out like him as well, haha.
 
He's not at the level of KL Rahul। No one is। Even Brian Lara wasn't at the level of KL Rahul. From last 40 years only Tendulkar or maybe peak Viv could be argued to have possessed more talent than KL Rahul.

Having said Shaw could still be the greatest batsman of this generation for any other cricket playing nation except India.

Thora jyada hogaya :yk2
 
He's not at the level of KL Rahul। No one is। Even Brian Lara wasn't at the level of KL Rahul. From last 40 years only Tendulkar or maybe peak Viv could be argued to have possessed more talent than KL Rahul.

Having said Shaw could still be the greatest batsman of this generation for any other cricket playing nation except India.

Ok now wake up from your dream or let’s say just get back to your senses..
 
I'm sure Shaw will be fine in India and win us games.It's overseas that's where we are judged.That earns respect.

As for Sehwag,he was the best player of spin I've seen.If Shaw is like that that'd be huge.His defensive technique(straight bat) too was good for Indian pitches

Ofcourse Shaw is exciting and should be encouraged:)
Shaw is more a right-handed version of Lara than Sehwag. Unlike Sehwag, his back foot game is pretty good which is essential for success in SENA.
And the likes of David Warner who is NOT that great against moving ball had great success in South Africa and Australia.
 
Haven't seen him but judging from his stats, he seems like an uber-aggressive, Warner-esque batsman. He'll win his fair share of matches and this thread is unwarranted. With the direction that cricket is going in, this type of batsman is worth his weight in gold.
 
It's a crime to leave out in-form Rahul to this joke of a player! Send him back to domestics and let him play 2 proper seasons to be ready for the internationals. The most overhyped wannab-superstar of Indian cricket just can't play 20 balls to save his damn wicket.
 
I think he'll be fine in Asia or Australia, but he clearly needs to learn to be more patient on tracks with more movement. He's young, he should come good eventually. But those technical flaws are glaring at the moment, and only a lunatic would compare him with Lara or Tendulkar.
 
Indian batsmen always turn things around unlike us. Lets wait for couple of more years.

Players like pant, prithvi and gill all are young and will improve their game. Look at KL Rahul he was exactly like these guys.
 
I still have my faith in Shaw. However, he needs to put a price on his wicket. The delivery he got dismissed on today, was an absolute harmless delivery.

He needs to remember that he is keeping out an in form Rahul (though not in test squad currently) and Gill (an outrageous talent & has great numbers for India 'A' in NZ). Also, Rohit (however bad he may be in away tests) was in great nick in home tests before his injury.

If he keeps on failing like this, he may not get another opportunity in India senior setup for extended period of time. He has already more or less squandered 3 chances he got in ODIs.
 
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I still have my faith in Shaw. However, he needs to put a price on his wicket. The delivery he got dismissed on today, was an absolute harmless delivery.

He needs to remember that he is keeping out an in form Rahul (though not in test squad currently) and Gill (an outrageous talent & has great numbers for India 'A' in NZ). Also, Rohit (however bad he may be in away tests) was in great nick in home tests before his injury.

If he keeps on failing like this, he may not get another opportunity in India senior setup for extended period of time. He has already more or less squandered 3 chances he got in ODIs.

Rohit is not an opener.The fact that he succeeded in India shows how easy it is there and should be taken with pinch of salt.Its away performances that matter

Our opener group should be Mayank,Gill,Shaw and maybe Rahul
 
Rohit is not an opener.The fact that he succeeded in India shows how easy it is there and should be taken with pinch of salt.Its away performances that matter

Our opener group should be Mayank,Gill,Shaw and maybe Rahul
I know, Rohit is not a test cricketer, leave alone a test opener and that too in overseas conditions. However we have to make peace with the fact that Kohli is Indian cricket's current supremo and has tremendous faith in Rohit's abilities as a test cricketer, however misplaced it may be!

Never ever rated Rohit, the test cricketer despite his exploits during our last home season.
 
And look where is KL Rahul now?

Nearly 28, 5 test hundreds, average of 34.58 and currently out of the test team.
There is very little chance of him even becoming an Indian great.

He surely is playing well in LOI's but being out of the test team can't be seen as a special player.
 
And look where is KL Rahul now?

Nearly 28, 5 test hundreds, average of 34.58 and currently out of the test team.
There is very little chance of him even becoming an Indian great.

He surely is playing well in LOI's but being out of the test team can't be seen as a special player.

Four of those are away tons

He's regained his touch and can find his place back maybe in middle order
 
Four of those are away tons

He's regained his touch and can find his place back maybe in middle order

Away or not, he is far behind where he should be in test cricket and before he starts catching up he first needs to find a place in the XI.

India are playing lot of test cricket in 21/22 so let's see what he can do.
 
I think it make a lot more sense now to say that Prithvi Shaw is clearly in Sehwag mould rather than in Tendulkar mould who scored a brilliant hundred at 19 on a fast and bouncy wicket of Perth in 1992.

Shaw can still be effective on relatively flatter wickets overseas but he seems to be in the mould of Sehwag, Agarwal and Rohit which will make the Indian team further strong in Asia but in South Africa, England and New Zealand, there will always be questions on them.

It's good to be compared with Sehwag but a legend status is reserved only for all-conditions blokes like Tendulkar, Gavaskar, Dravid and Kohli.
 
I think it make a lot more sense now to say that Prithvi Shaw is clearly in Sehwag mould rather than in Tendulkar mould who scored a brilliant hundred at 19 on a fast and bouncy wicket of Perth in 1992.

Shaw can still be effective on relatively flatter wickets overseas but he seems to be in the mould of Sehwag, Agarwal and Rohit which will make the Indian team further strong in Asia but in South Africa, England and New Zealand, there will always be questions on them.

It's good to be compared with Sehwag but a legend status is reserved only for all-conditions blokes like Tendulkar, Gavaskar, Dravid and Kohli.

It's a little early however I am leaning towards your point of view. Prithvi is just too aggressive to open in test matches, whilst he is not an Afridi however talent will only get him so far, if he doesn't clean up his game soon he will soon disappear.... God damn it, some of the strokes he plays are just so out of this planet, he gives me the SRT like chills up my spine, no other batsmen after SRT has done that to me :(
 
I think it make a lot more sense now to say that Prithvi Shaw is clearly in Sehwag mould rather than in Tendulkar mould who scored a brilliant hundred at 19 on a fast and bouncy wicket of Perth in 1992.

Shaw can still be effective on relatively flatter wickets overseas but he seems to be in the mould of Sehwag, Agarwal and Rohit which will make the Indian team further strong in Asia but in South Africa, England and New Zealand, there will always be questions on them.

It's good to be compared with Sehwag but a legend status is reserved only for all-conditions blokes like Tendulkar, Gavaskar, Dravid and Kohli.

Much maligned Sehwag had straight bat as defense and used to be patient in early part of his career.

With Shaw it seems he's overconfident.Happens when you are talented and young.

Hopefully he's handled well
 
Rohit
Mayank
Shaw
Rahul
Gill

What say, which two names, are most likely to do well overseas in South Africa, England and New Zealand as openers? Or do we even have those two names currently?
 
Rohit
Mayank
Shaw
Rahul
Gill

What say, which two names, are most likely to do well overseas in South Africa, England and New Zealand as openers? Or do we even have those two names currently?

On pure technical terms, I'd reckon Agarwal and Gill.
 
Prithvi stats until now,
3 odi 100 runs
2 test plus 1 innings , 1 century and 1 50
So put it in perspective someone criticising a young player with early stats like that is unwarranted.
And some saying this 20 yr old player is taking up another place are a joke themselves ..
 
Prithvi stats until now,
3 odi 100 runs
2 test plus 1 innings , 1 century and 1 50
So put it in perspective someone criticising a young player with early stats like that is unwarranted.
And some saying this 20 yr old player is taking up another place are a joke themselves ..

what early stats like this? lol
you're acting like he scored 2 double hundreds in his first two matches.
He made a 100 against WI at HOME. Hardly impressive
 
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