[VIDEOS] Questionable events and decisions during the match between India and Afghanistan

[Zeshan547]

Afghanistan have a mental block against India, much like Pakistan have against Australia in Australia.

I have never seen Afghanistan run India close, like they regularly do against Pakistan, or other teams. They must overcome that mental block and go toe-to-toe if they want to be considered amongst the contenders.

Having said that, the theories of fixing without evidence is Pakistan's second most popular sport. Go ahead and indulge because that's what you have reduced yourselves to.

Are you mad or what? they lost wc 2019 match by freaking 2, 3 runs i think and tied in Asia cup, if this isn't running them close than what is.?

 

[MRSN]

One of the most pathetic games I have seen last night. Afghanistan cricket team showd absolutely no intent at any time to win this game.

 

[MRSN]

A couple years back, Afg were on a roll and on their test debut vs India were expected to create an entertaining match. Instead, they got bundled out and Rashid Khan was smashed around for fun.

The problem with yesterday's game is - some Pakistanis have got carried away with their team's performances on their 'home' pitches and these fans have gotten so delusional and arrogant that they think India is some third-class team who have always been playing the way they did vs Pak and NZ. They can't fathom how Afg can compete so well vs Pak and look lackluster vs India.

It would be nice if these same fans recall some of the games during the 29 year hammering. Some of those matches were not too dissimilar to this one.

The reality is - most of the time, Afg is closer to Pak in cricketing levels than they are to India. Hence, those games tend to be more competitive

Afghanistan is a totally different T20 team than that test match you are talking about. They are also reckless in batting and bat with intent of 6s and 4s. But last night they were batting at snail pace when the required run rate was always going up and up.

 

[MRSN]

Whether it was fixed or not, either way you look at it, it was the most disgusting day of cricket in this tournament.

Agreed. I will never look at this Afghanistan team with same way than I used to be. Absolutely shambolic performance from them and definitely one that can seen as fishy.

 

[street cricketer]

Why does Afghanistan have rivalry with Pak because WoT left Pakistan no choice in the matter. A weird people Afghans happy to cosy up with Indians yet remain ultra religious

That you have to ask the Afghans themselves. It's true that Afghans are very conservative when it comes to religion, but their beef with Pakistan is not due to religion but more due to issues of ethnonationalism. It's perhaps why they play with a much more stronger intensity when it comes to Pakistan and their fans attend more in numbers in Af-Pak games.

 

[Babeikh]

That you have to ask the Afghans themselves. It's true that Afghans are very conservative when it comes to religion, but their beef with Pakistan is not due to religion but more due to issues of ethnonationalism. It's perhaps why they play with a much more stronger intensity when it comes to Pakistan and their fans attend more in numbers in Af-Pak games.

Yes agreed. They will need to get over this though. I think recent Pak v Afghanistan games have followed a similar pattern - Pakistan has largely controlled the games but Afghanistan have had a golden spell to bring it back only to capitulate at the end and then get very emotional and even start throwing their toys out of the pram. If they want to be a serious cricketing nation it is something they will have to work on.

I'd say Pakistan v India is a rivalry with more intense feeling from both sides and we haven't seen Pakistan or India fans behaving terribly (aside from isolated incidents) or players losing the plot. In fact from my experience of Pakistan v India games the relationship between the fans has been quite warm.

 

[imranyounus]

One thing is for sure the Afghan team was more keen on winning against Pakistan than qualifying for semi finals.

For sure thay had the best chance if they beat either one of India or NZ.

But they showed little interest in winning here.

 

[mastimasti]

I only watched parts of the match as I was quite busy and I always felt we would win....but when I looked at the scorecard I found some odd choices...Nabi only bowled a single over, Janat looked economical but also only bowled a single over and Mujeeb did not play. Then you have the odd occurrence of going against their usual tactics of keeping Rashid until much later in the game.

Regardless of everything else, all of those are odd choices. If, and this is a big if, Afghanistan sold out then they did so for nothing as India still have a long, long way to go and have to move up 2 spots on the table.

 

[Lahorijat]

This match reminds me of 96 World Cup quarterfinal where Wasim(like Mujeeb) did not play, Waqar unexpectedly went went for plenty(like Rashid). Plus why did Nabi only did one over? Even though India were favorites, something is wrong with this picture. Very unfortunate, if fixing is still going on in the great game of cricket.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Afghan players were dancing in their dressing room after losing the match to India.I have not seen any team celebrating in such manner after losing by a huge margin.The Afghans were crying when they lost to Pakistan.

 

[mastimasti]

This match reminds me of 96 World Cup quarterfinal where Wasim(like Mujeeb) did not play, Waqar unexpectedly went went for plenty(like Rashid). Plus why did Nabi only did one over? Even though India were favorites, something is wrong with this picture. Very unfortunate, if fixing is still going on in the great game of cricket.

Match fixing and all its off shoots are still on going, Shakib just returned from a one year ban, countless investigations have led to bans in domestic cricket over the years across numerous countries. When the kings don't want to stamp out corruption, how can it be stamped out?

 

[Devadwal]

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This person is a minister . Lol

 

[loves_cricket]

10 times out of 10, ndia expected to win against AFG.
Overnight India did not became a poor team
Enjoy your good days,
Make as much fun you want you earned it.

 

[YorkshireTrust]

I didn't expect Afghan to win, but as said before on here, no passion or desire shown by Afghan players from start to finish of that match.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

Whilst at it with the pearls of wisdom on this thread, can you also name the beaten finalists who played us, who were the beaten semi-finalists, and who is the mom in the two semis and finals and who is the player of the tournament?
The only fixing is between certain peoples ears.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

People need to read up on Occam’s Razor

 

[Colorblind Genius]

One thing is for sure the Afghan team was more keen on winning against Pakistan than qualifying for semi finals.

For sure thay had the best chance if they beat either one of India or NZ.

But they showed little interest in winning here.

Afghan players were dancing in their dressing room after losing the match to India.I have not seen any team celebrating in such manner after losing by a huge margin.The Afghans were crying when they lost to Pakistan.

Yep!
This is a strange phenomenon.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Afghan players were dancing in their dressing room after losing the match to India.I have not seen any team celebrating in such manner after losing by a huge margin.The Afghans were crying when they lost to Pakistan.

Really? Is there any video?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

A couple years back, Afg were on a roll and on their test debut vs India were expected to create an entertaining match. Instead, they got bundled out and Rashid Khan was smashed around for fun.

The problem with yesterday's game is - some Pakistanis have got carried away with their team's performances on their 'home' pitches and these fans have gotten so delusional and arrogant that they think India is some third-class team who have always been playing the way they did vs Pak and NZ. They can't fathom how Afg can compete so well vs Pak and look lackluster vs India.

It would be nice if these same fans recall some of the games during the 29 year hammering. Some of those matches were not too dissimilar to this one.

The reality is - most of the time, Afg is closer to Pak in cricketing levels than they are to India. Hence, those games tend to be more competitive

I like the unity between India and Pakistan here. Just few weeks ago, IPL was played in Pakistan's home pitches and now we are also hosting a T20 World Cup there.

 

[princeuk]

The surprise isnt the fact that india beat afghanistan the surprise is the intent during the match, its almost as if they had given up during the match, and the reaction after the match says it all, if the reports are true that 4 afghani players will get an IPL contract then maybe they didnt want to rock the boat by pushing india too close.

 

[LaLoco]

No one expected Afghanistan to beat India, especially almost put down Indian team that was embarrassed by Pak and NZ.

I failed to understand why people are using that as a counter argument when one is questioning many (many) coincidences happened during that match.

No one is countering those coincidences - the only counter is, "India would've won", of course India would have.

 

[realitygaf]

The fact is that india was expected to win but the manner of the loss by afghanistan , not the win by India is what is the issue at hand. It’s not one decision it’s many decisions. It’s the body language from ball 1. Pakistan had Afghanistan pegged at 60 odd for 5 but their shoulders didn’t droop . The shoulders were dropped at the toss even. This is the same team which is known for their passion for the game and never say die spirit and just so happens after beating Namibia convincingly after narrow loss to pakistan which they could have won and on the brink of semi final loss they are playing like Bangladesh which is out of tournament already. That’s the issue. No one is saying India didn’t deserve to win, it’s the viewers who deserved to see an ounce of intent from a vit match by Afghanistan. No intent was there. Not from the batsmen, the fielders or bowlers. It’s like someone flipped a switched and everyone’s passion to win turned off. Bowlers bowling bad lines, bowling in the hit me slot . Viv richards on live tv said it looked like Afghanistan wanted to get Indian batsmen back in form .

 

[LegendAli]

I only watched parts of the match as I was quite busy and I always felt we would win....but when I looked at the scorecard I found some odd choices...Nabi only bowled a single over, Janat looked economical but also only bowled a single over and Mujeeb did not play. Then you have the odd occurrence of going against their usual tactics of keeping Rashid until much later in the game.

Regardless of everything else, all of those are odd choices. If, and this is a big if, Afghanistan sold out then they did so for nothing as India still have a long, long way to go and have to move up 2 spots on the table.

What do you mean for nothing?

Afghanistan could have sold out for many reasons, IPL contracts is another and not wanting to disappoint India.

Its a suspicious match as majority are mentioning.

 

[mastimasti]

What do you mean for nothing?

Afghanistan could have sold out for many reasons, IPL contracts is another and not wanting to disappoint India.

Its a suspicious match as majority are mentioning.

But the main aim in this tournament is to help up India's NRR and get them into the semis...yet India are two spots out, they need to win all their games ND get a NRR closer to 1.8 rather than 1.08.

 

[Local.Dada]

What do you mean for nothing?

Afghanistan could have sold out for many reasons, IPL contracts is another and not wanting to disappoint India.

Its a suspicious match as majority are mentioning.

How did a world beating Pakistan side get bowled out to Zimbabwe for less than 100 or lose a odi to them at home? Suspicious considering no one else plays Zimbabwe.

Sounds more shady than a top ranked side trashing a lower ranked side or the lower ranked side looking clueless and choking against a top side. Don’t you think?

 

[Local.Dada]

Afghan players were dancing in their dressing room after losing the match to India.I have not seen any team celebrating in such manner after losing by a huge margin.The Afghans were crying when they lost to Pakistan.

May be the question is why beating Pakistan means so much for Afghanis. Not the first time there were tensions and emotions during an Afg-Pak game is it?

I thought average Pakistanis was cheering for these guys to break the chains of slavery weren’t they? Wonder why they have a disdain for Pakistan. At least the Pakistani cricketers seem like decent and good folk.

 

[IMMY69]

May be the question is why beating Pakistan means so much for Afghanis. Not the first time there were tensions and emotions during an Afg-Pak game is it?

I thought average Pakistanis was cheering for these guys to break the chains of slavery weren’t they? Wonder why they have a disdain for Pakistan. At least the Pakistani cricketers seem like decent and good folk.

Some of these players play in PSL and some if not most of them learnt their trade in Pakistan.
So there is no animosity between the players.

Everyone expected Afghanistan to lose just that they didn't expect them to show zero fight whatsoever

 

[Charmander]

Everything from Afghanistan sucked last night. nobody expected them to win, but the manner in which they lost is the issue. if it's not match fixing, then i have no idea what it is. but intent and body language is not something that one can hide

 

[Local.Dada]

Some of these players play in PSL and some if not most of them learnt their trade in Pakistan.
So there is no animosity between the players.

The animosity angle is not something that I am peddling as part of any agenda. If you watch the Afghan- Pak matches go, they have been way more intense than the last few Ind-Pak matches.

Also it was your fellow Pakistani posters wondering the same why they go over the top against Pakistan.

You are free to ignore it.

Yes, they play in all leagues including PSL but dont see their emotional reactions when they play India,England,Australia. I am sure they play big bash and other tournaments too.

 

[mastimasti]

Some of these players play in PSL and some if not most of them learnt their trade in Pakistan.
So there is no animosity between the players.

Everyone expected Afghanistan to lose just that they didn't expect them to show zero fight whatsoever

Yes, and the odd decisions within and outside he field: Mujeeb is dropped, Nabi and Janat bowl a single over each and give 14 runs between them, Rashid is called on to bowl far earlier than is the norm of Afg tactics over the last 2-3 years if not more. These questions at least need to be asked of AFG management.

 

[sweep_shot]

Afghanistan played in a very unusual manner.

I don't want to call it fixing as there is no proof. But, the body language was very poor.

 

[Mp812]

Technically everything is suspicious if one wants to look at it that way on purpose

Afg bowler allowing pies for Asif Ali to hit 4 sixes in a over
India bowling below par to get only 2 wickets in first 2 games
WI getting bowled out for 55
NZ almost loosing to Scotland
Aus loosing to Eng easily

But of course if one wants to filter and twist events to suit their conspiracy theory, well nothing is out of range of suspicion especially when things dont go their desired way.
Namibia or Afg may defeat NZ and conspiracy theories will reach the moon. I would love to see the comments if that happens....of course with pop corn basket besides me.

 

[IMMY69]

The animosity angle is not something that I am peddling as part of any agenda. If you watch the Afghan- Pak matches go, they have been way more intense than the last few Ind-Pak matches.

Also it was your fellow Pakistani posters wondering the same why they go over the top against Pakistan.

You are free to ignore it.

Yes, they play in all leagues including PSL but dont see their emotional reactions when they play India,England,Australia. I am sure they play big bash and other tournaments too.

What emotional reactions got to with anything?
There is a difference between intensity, which they lacked against India, and running round the pitch aggressively acting like demented idiots.

It's simple really. They showed zero intensity in the field... no geeing up the bowlers or fielders and bowling like club level cricketers...

Tell me how does a medium fast bowler who's been ok in the tournament suddenly starts bowling short and wide when third man is up? The number one T20 bowler in the world, which was pitching it on a six pence in the previous games, suddenly bowling a leg stump line and eith his length all over the place?
Or the captain decides to bowl one reasonably economical over and then doesn't bowl again, this ehrn he is one of the three heralded spinners in the side?

Let's not even talk about the sun club level fielding.

Please can you she's some light on this?
and don't say pressure because even in a pressure games the fielders are still backing each other up, shouting snd clapping them on.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Afghanistan played in a very unusual manner.

I don't want to call it fixing as there is no proof. But, the body language was very poor.

Body language is one thing that is subjective from person to person but the tactics and factual events is what casts doubts.

The two most economical bowlers bowled only one over each in a game where you are fighting for a spot in the Semis. How come?

The laughter, happiness and playful joy, the Afghan players displayed AFTER losing the game? WTH was that? I mean, losing against Pakistan gives you heartburn to a point that your players announce retirement in the middle to tournament but losing against India gives you a sense of achievement?

The number of dot balls and singles taken without showing any sense of urgency while chasing such a huge total? That was amazing.

And again, I am not saying this as a Pak fan.
Both Sir Viv Richards and David Gower have put questions marks against the antics of Afghanies in this game.

 

[JaDed]

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This person is a minister . Lol

Looks like he loves reaching “in”.

 

[Snowflake]

Body language is one thing that is subjective from person to person but the tactics and factual events is what casts doubts.

The two most economical bowlers bowled only one over each in a game where you are fighting for a spot in the Semis. How come?

The laughter, happiness and playful joy, the Afghan players displayed AFTER losing the game? WTH was that? I mean, losing against Pakistan gives you heartburn to a point that your players announce retirement in the middle to tournament but losing against India gives you a sense of achievement?

The number of dot balls and singles taken without showing any sense of urgency while chasing such a huge total? That was amazing.

And again, I am not saying this as a Pak fan.
Both Sir Viv Richards and David Gower have put questions marks against the antics of Afghanies in this game.

Don't forget Rashid's spell that was as dangerous as a butterfly!

 

[Rajdeep]

Is there fans of any other nation that cries about fixing and conspiracy more than Pakistan? Its getting very difficult for ICC to organize any tournament which Pakistani fans dont find questionable.

1996 World Cup - Pak intentionally lost the match against BD to grant them test status.

2011 World Cup - DRS was tampered in Mohali to save Sachin

2019 World Cup - India lost intentionally to England so that Pakistan dont qualify

And now in 2021 T20 World Cup Afghanistan lost intentionally to India

Unbelievable

This game was clean as it gets and India played as they were expected to play. In the first two matches they simply underperformed.

There are lots of thing people find questionable but everything need not be correct. I also found Shaheen Afridi's pace questionable as you simply cannot go from 141KPH to 152-154kph overnight. Your body wont be able to cope with it. Only Steroid or performance enhancement drug (PED) can do it.

 

[Shazzam]

Afghanistan have a mental block against India, much like Pakistan have against Australia in Australia.

I have never seen Afghanistan run India close, like they regularly do against Pakistan, or other teams. They must overcome that mental block and go toe-to-toe if they want to be considered amongst the contenders.

Having said that, the theories of fixing without evidence is Pakistan's second most popular sport. Go ahead and indulge because that's what you have reduced yourselves to.

Pretending fixing never happens to me is more hilarious than claiming fixing happens. There is enough evidence in World cricket that this has happen before. Lets not pretend this sport is clean as sunlight.

 

[LaLoco]

Is there fans of any other nation that cries about fixing and conspiracy more than Pakistan? Its getting very difficult for ICC to organize any tournament which Pakistani fans dont find questionable.

1996 World Cup - Pak intentionally lost the match against BD to grant them test status.

2011 World Cup - DRS was tampered in Mohali to save Sachin

2019 World Cup - India lost intentionally to England so that Pakistan dont qualify

And now in 2021 T20 World Cup Afghanistan lost intentionally to India

Unbelievable

This game was clean as it gets and India played as they were expected to play. In the first two matches they simply underperformed.

There are lots of thing people find questionable but everything need not be correct. I also found Shaheen Afridi's pace questionable as you simply cannot go from 141KPH to 152-154kph overnight. Your body wont be able to cope with it. Only Steroid or performance enhancement drug (PED) can do it.

Nothing is ever clean when it is related to protect BCCI and IPL image.

Lol at Afridi's pace comment.

 

[IMMY69]

Is there fans of any other nation that cries about fixing and conspiracy more than Pakistan? Its getting very difficult for ICC to organize any tournament which Pakistani fans dont find questionable.

1996 World Cup - Pak intentionally lost the match against BD to grant them test status.

2011 World Cup - DRS was tampered in Mohali to save Sachin

2019 World Cup - India lost intentionally to England so that Pakistan dont qualify

And now in 2021 T20 World Cup Afghanistan lost intentionally to India

Unbelievable

This game was clean as it gets and India played as they were expected to play. In the first two matches they simply underperformed.

There are lots of thing people find questionable but everything need not be correct. I also found Shaheen Afridi's pace questionable as you simply cannot go from 141KPH to 152-154kph overnight. Your body wont be able to cope with it. Only Steroid or performance enhancement drug (PED) can do it.

Shaheen's speed is a great example!
I'm sure it made others chuckle just like it did for me!

The other examples have been discussed over and over again.
So rather then trying to defect why not give some reason for what occurred yesterday, other then India are superstars and played Afghans like the minnows that they are???

 

[Local.Dada]

Nothing is ever clean when it is related to protect BCCI and IPL image.

Lol at Afridi's pace comment.

Pakistan team and board has had more scandals for doping, fixing, tampering, internal conflicts in the last 2 years than BCCI since inception.

Even if it were true, BCCI shelling some money to save embarrassment for India. In fact for the greater good because no one will watch or care for the tournament if India is eliminated which could kill cricket itself.

I think folks are scared India might sneak in to semis and maybe steal the last few days of joy and that is understandable for me as a fan as weird as that sounds.

Nothing to see here

 

[Local.Dada]

Shaheen's speed is a great example!
I'm sure it made others chuckle just like it did for me!

The other examples have been discussed over and over again.
So rather then trying to defect why not give some reason for what occurred yesterday, other then India are superstars and played Afghans like the minnows that they are???

Why would you except Indian fans to come up with excuses for a win, that should be taken up with Afghanistanis. Looks like it is for some bizarre reason Pakistani fans of a certain sterotype that seem to be hanging on to this.

Did anyone complain when Asif Ali who couldn’t put bat on ball in his international cricket suddenly hits 4 6’s and seals the game. Now that can be suspicious too. Where is going to stop lol

 

[IMMY69]

Pakistan team and board has had more scandals for doping, fixing, tampering, internal conflicts in the last 2 years than BCCI since inception.

Even if it were true, BCCI shelling some money to save embarrassment for India. In fact for the greater good because no one will watch or care for the tournament if India is eliminated which could kill cricket itself.

I think folks are scared India might sneak in to semis and maybe steal the last few days of joy and that is understandable for me as a fan as weird as that sounds.

Nothing to see here

Please stop deflecting snd actually shed some light on my post...
Can you do this please?

 

[IMMY69]

Why would you except Indian fans to come up with excuses for a win, that should be taken up with Afghanistanis. Looks like it is for some bizarre reason Pakistani fans of a certain sterotype that seem to be hanging on to this.

Did anyone complain when Asif Ali who couldn’t put bat on ball in his international cricket suddenly hits 4 6’s and seals the game. Now that can be suspicious too. Where is going to stop lol

See more deflection.

Some of us have listed reasons for why we think yesterday's game was strange but so far have had no explanation from the likes of you other then being called conspiracy theorists

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Is there fans of any other nation that cries about fixing and conspiracy more than Pakistan? Its getting very difficult for ICC to organize any tournament which Pakistani fans dont find questionable.

1996 World Cup - Pak intentionally lost the match against BD to grant them test status.

2011 World Cup - DRS was tampered in Mohali to save Sachin

2019 World Cup - India lost intentionally to England so that Pakistan dont qualify

And now in 2021 T20 World Cup Afghanistan lost intentionally to India

Unbelievable

This game was clean as it gets and India played as they were expected to play. In the first two matches they simply underperformed.

There are lots of thing people find questionable but everything need not be correct. I also found Shaheen Afridi's pace questionable as you simply cannot go from 141KPH to 152-154kph overnight. Your body wont be able to cope with it. Only Steroid or performance enhancement drug (PED) can do it.

Bangladesh played in 1996 World Cup? That's a news to me. Thanks.

 

[octavian]

This one match has single-handedly destroyed the image of this World Cup and cricket in general.

I was watching every evening match since the start. But now I have barely checked the scores.

 

[LaLoco]

Pakistan team and board has had more scandals for doping, fixing, tampering, internal conflicts in the last 2 years than BCCI since inception.

Even if it were true, BCCI shelling some money to save embarrassment for India. In fact for the greater good because no one will watch or care for the tournament if India is eliminated which could kill cricket itself.

I think sabki phat rahi hai ki India might sneak in to semis and maybe steal the last few days of joy and that is understandable for me as a fan as weird as that sounds.

Nothing to see here

Greater good to corrupt the game? lol

Has to be one of the most unique defense by any BCCI apologist. lol

 

[Colorblind Genius]

See more deflection.

Some of us have listed reasons for why we think yesterday's game was strange but so far have had no explanation from the likes of you other then being called conspiracy theorists

Please stop deflecting snd actually shed some light on my post...
Can you do this please?

They won't because they can't.

If anyone can explain it to me with logical reasons and factual evidence as to why the two most economical Afghan bowlers bowled only one over each when the Afghan's were supposedly chasing a spot in the Semis, I will be more than happy to eat the humble pie.

I am ready to be convinced.

Anyone?

 

[LaLoco]

They won't because they can't.

If anyone can explain it to me with logical reasons and factual evidence as to why the two most economical Afghan bowlers bowled only one over each when the Afghan's were supposedly chasing a spot in the Semis, I will be more than happy to eat the humble pie.

I am ready to be convinced.

Anyone?

For the greater good of the game ? lol

 

[Colorblind Genius]

For the greater good of the game ? lol

right on !!

 

[Local.Dada]

Greater good to corrupt the game? lol

Has to be one of the most unique defense by any BCCI apologist. lol

I realize that what I said is ridiculous but what else you want me to say about this bizarre and ridiculous frenzy that Pakistan seem to be having with an Indian win.

I think Pakistan’s stellar performance has affected the rational thinking and mental balance of few because I guess you guys didn’t see this coming. Can I ask you what is so bizarre about India the top 2-3 teams in every format trashing a 8-10 ranked team which has just about recently crossed the status of a minnow?

As far as tactics go, well that is exactly why that team is ranked where it is. Not rocket science.

Your team with its performance and behavior has earned respect but looks like the fans are not happy.

These theories won’t go anywhere. In fact kind of overshadows what Pakistan has done so far.

Anyway I can’t change your mind because you seemed to have solid proofs. Please go ahead and submit it to the ICC or corruption team of ICC, I am sure as a Pakistani it is easy to get through to them as someone might have the number.

 

[Local.Dada]

For the greater good of the game ? lol

right on !!

Looks like you guys only understood the part which you guys can comprehend.

Ever heard of sarcasm? Don’t know what it is called in Italian.

 

[IMMY69]

I realize that what I said is ridiculous but what else you want me to say about this bizarre and ridiculous frenzy that Pakistan seem to be having with an Indian win.

I think Pakistan’s stellar performance has affected the rational thinking and mental balance of few because I guess you guys didn’t see this coming. Can I ask you what is so bizarre about India the top 2-3 teams in every format trashing a 8-10 ranked team which has just about recently crossed the status of a minnow?

As far as tactics go, well that is exactly why that team is ranked where it is. Not rocket science.

Your team with its performance and behavior has earned respect but looks like the fans are not happy.

These theories won’t go anywhere. In fact kind of overshadows what Pakistan has done so far.

Anyway I can’t change your mind because you seemed to have solid proofs. Please go ahead and submit it to the ICC or corruption team of ICC, I am sure as a Pakistani it is easy to get through to them as someone might have the number.

Are you having trouble reading?

You're going on a completely different tangent...

 

[LaLoco]

I realize that what I said is ridiculous but what else you want me to say about this bizarre and ridiculous frenzy that Pakistan seem to be having with an Indian win.

I think Pakistan’s stellar performance has affected the rational thinking and mental balance of few because I guess you guys didn’t see this coming. Can I ask you what is so bizarre about India the top 2-3 teams in every format trashing a 8-10 ranked team which has just about recently crossed the status of a minnow?

As far as tactics go, well that is exactly why that team is ranked where it is. Not rocket science.

Your team with its performance and behavior has earned respect but looks like the fans are not happy.

These theories won’t go anywhere. In fact kind of overshadows what Pakistan has done so far.

Anyway I can’t change your mind because you seemed to have solid proofs. Please go ahead and submit it to the ICC or corruption team of ICC, I am sure as a Pakistani it is easy to get through to them as someone might have the number.

No one expected Afghanistan to win.

rest of your comment is just a subjective rant, not worth spending time on.

 

[Rajdeep]

Shaheen's speed is a great example!
I'm sure it made others chuckle just like it did for me!

The other examples have been discussed over and over again.
So rather then trying to defect why not give some reason for what occurred yesterday, other then India are superstars and played Afghans like the minnows that they are???

The onus is not on me to reason out and come out clean what happened yesterday. Its the silly fans who comes up with the excuse of fixing in every ICC event to prove it otherwise. And if the fans are from Pakistan, that makes it hysterically oxymoron

 

[Local.Dada]

The onus is not on me to reason out and come out clean what happened yesterday. Its the silly fans who comes up with the excuse of fixing in every ICC event to prove it otherwise. And if the fans are from Pakistan, that makes it hysterically oxymoron

You need to understand like the good and bad Taliban there is good fixing and bad fixing.

What Amir,Sharjeel etc actually did is good fixing.

BCCI alleged paying off of Afghanistan is bad fixing.

 

[LaLoco]

You need to understand like the good and bad Taliban there is good fixing and bad fixing.

What Amir,Sharjeel etc actually did is good fixing.

BCCI alleged paying off of Afghanistan is bad fixing.

Isn't alleged BCCI paying Afghanistan would be for the greater good for the game?

 

[IMMY69]

The onus is not on me to reason out and come out clean what happened yesterday. Its the silly fans who comes up with the excuse of fixing in every ICC event to prove it otherwise. And if the fans are from Pakistan, that makes it hysterically oxymoron

Stop being a pleb.
The discussion started at the toss yesterday.
From the moment the Afghans won it snd decided to field first which went against what they've been doing all tournament.. everything said here was mentioned during the match commentary.
It wasn't some conspiracy dreamed up after the game was won by India.

I think, no actually I know, that there is a deep seated lack of self respect which is prohibiting many of the Indians here from discussing this rationally. So all we've had so far are deflections.

I think, no actually I know, that if the Afghans played like they did against Yesterdsy but against Pakistan, the same questions would have been asked by the Pakistani fans.

 

[Local.Dada]

For the greater good of the game ? lol

Why not?

As an Indian fan I get to see a win. A few Pakistani fans, not the good ones mostly but the ones who seem to have a pathological hatred for India whining would be fun on top of that.

Afghani brothers will be taken care of.

ICC and BCCI both make revenue with India being alive in the tournament. As your chairman said Pakistan cricket survives on that revenue any ways.

I only see a win-win situation.

Now if you want to believe what I said is tounge in cheek or a valid argument is left to you to decide

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

Pakistani fans ought to be ashamed of themselves and come out of this minnow mentality

 

[Smbhayi]

Yes, and the odd decisions within and outside he field: Mujeeb is dropped, Nabi and Janat bowl a single over each and give 14 runs between them, Rashid is called on to bowl far earlier than is the norm of Afg tactics over the last 2-3 years if not more. These questions at least need to be asked of AFG management.

Nabi bowled 1 over, problem is you try hard to prove its a fixed match.. if you follow the game you know why Mujeeb is dropped, or why they bowl first, or why Jannat or Nabi only bowled single over..

 

[LaLoco]

Why not?

As an Indian fan I get to see a win. A few Pakistani fans, not the good ones mostly but the ones who seem to have a pathological hatred for India whining would be fun on top of that.

Afghani brothers will be taken care of.

ICC and BCCI both make revenue with India being alive in the tournament. As your chairman said Pakistan cricket survives on that revenue any ways.

I only see a win-win situation.

Now if you want to believe what I said is tounge in cheek or a valid argument is left to you to decide

Is this an attempt to dig yourself out of the hole that you dug yourself in?

The number one defense, excuse, etc BCCI apologist always have, "without India the cricket will die", we have seen from time again and again.

your comment for reference:

Even if it were true, BCCI shelling some money to save embarrassment for India. In fact for the greater good because no one will watch or care for the tournament if India is eliminated which could kill cricket itself.

 

[Local.Dada]

Stop being a pleb.
The discussion started at the toss yesterday.
From the moment the Afghans won it snd decided to field first which went against what they've been doing all tournament.. everything said here was mentioned during the match commentary.
It wasn't some conspiracy dreamed up after the game was won by India.

.

Let me address the toss part, initially there were some Pakistani social media accounts that where saying with an edited video, Kohli told Nabi what to do lol.

That has been debunked by most rational Pakistani cricket experts as well.

Now as far as the batting second part, would you leave any scope for Afghanistan trying to catch India off guard?

India looks under the pump and had a loss of form, they knew Afghanistan will bat first and since they lost both games defending and had bad experiences, India would be expecting to chase as this ground was supposed to be even worse with the dew conditons historically.

Sounds plausible but I think you are only open to a conspiracy so let’s put rational thoughts on the back burner for a while. Cool?

 

[IMMY69]

Nabi bowled 1 over, problem is you try hard to prove its a fixed match.. if you follow the game you know why Mujeeb is dropped, or why they bowl first, or why Jannat or Nabi only bowled single over..

Please explain for us conspiracy theorists cricket novices with minnow mentalities

 

[IMMY69]

Let me address the toss part, initially there were some Pakistani social media accounts that where saying with an edited video, Kohli told Nabi what to do lol.

That has been debunked by most rational Pakistani cricket experts as well.

Now as far as the batting second part, would you leave any scope for Afghanistan trying to catch India off guard?

India looks under the pump and had a loss of form, they knew Afghanistan will bat first and since they lost both games defending and had bad experiences, India would be expecting to chase as this ground was supposed to be even worse with the dew conditons historically.

Sounds plausible but I think you are only open to a conspiracy so let’s put rational thoughts on the back burner for a while. Cool?

Ok so that video was a joke of a video which went out much later...
Not sure anyone fell for it, I certainly didn't.

Now this bit about surprising India by sending them in is utterly implausible.
Why? Because:-

1. kohli said he would have batted first anyway.
2. India's only slim chance of getting through would be on run rate so they would have hoped to have. Batted first.

You can't catch a team out which is hoping to bat first.

Next. Please address the bowling changes, the wayward bowling, why the two best bowlers on the night only bowled one each and of course the pathetic body language of the Afghans from the very first ball of the game...

 

[srh]

We all know BCCI has all the money in this world. This was a match they had to win and win handsomely to stay in the tournament

Afghanistan wins the toss and somehow which they never do “asks” team India to bat first. Coz India can score big and win with huge margin to take the run rate up on the table.

Next 60% of overs are gone from their spinners. Mujeeb doesn’t play and Nabi bowls just one over.

Pant, Pandya and Rohit who looked terribly out of form, score and score at good sr especially Pandya scores at 270 who was scoring like a granddad

Sad to see the game of cricket has fallen this low

India reaching at least semi-final in a ICC tournament is necessary for cricket to survive. There are different ways to accomplish this task.

 

[Local.Dada]

Ok so that video was a joke of a video which went out much later...
Not sure anyone fell for it, I certainly didn't.

Now this bit about surprising India by sending them in is utterly implausible.
Why? Because:-

1. kohli said he would have batted first anyway.
2. India's only slim chance of getting through would be on run rate so they would have hoped to have. Batted first.

You can't catch a team out which is hoping to bat first.

Next. Please address the bowling changes, the wayward bowling, why the two best bowlers on the night only bowled one each and of course the pathetic body language of the Afghans from the very first ball of the game...

Why would I pick holes in Afghan strategies? It worked well for India didn’t it?

India won the game and that’s all matters to me. Personally I wanted Afghan to beat us so we can get some refreshing changes but I will take the win as well. Even more so now

It looks like an Afghan defeat bothered you more than the Afghanis themselves clearly lol.

It is dumb to expect Indian fans to nitpick on wins. I would have wrote an essay if you ask me what went wrong against Pakistan and New Zealand.

I am only having fun with this absurd premise and some of the ridiculousness here. I am at a point this is getting boring.

Take up with Afghan Team management if you have issues and complains lol.

 

[MP2011]

Pakistani fans ought to be ashamed of themselves and come out of this minnow mentality

This.

Why do they always cry about fixing?

 

[MP2011]

Why would I pick holes in Afghan strategies? It worked well for India didn’t it?

India won the game and that’s all matters to me. Personally I wanted Afghan to beat us so we can get some refreshing changes but I will take the win as well. Even more so now

It looks like an Afghan defeat bothered you more than the Afghanis themselves clearly lol.

It is dumb to expect Indian fans to nitpick on wins. I would have wrote an essay if you ask me what went wrong against Pakistan and New Zealand.

I am only having fun with this absurd premise and some of the ridiculousness here. I am at a point this is getting boring.

Take up with Afghan Team management if you have issues and complains lol.

Hilarious to see people having issues with us finally winning a game in this tourney even if it came against Afghanistan. Have we become so bad that Afghanistan has to fix a game for us to defeat them?

Damn you Kohli!

 

[IMMY69]

Why would I pick holes in Afghan strategies? It worked well for India didn’t it?

India won the game and that’s all matters to me. Personally I wanted Afghan to beat us so we can get some refreshing changes but I will take the win as well. Even more so now

It looks like an Afghan defeat bothered you more than the Afghanis themselves clearly lol.

It is dumb to expect Indian fans to nitpick on wins. I would have wrote an essay if you ask me what went wrong against Pakistan and New Zealand.

I am only having fun with this absurd premise and some of the ridiculousness here. I am at a point this is getting boring.

Take up with Afghan Team management if you have issues and complains lol.

Another deflection.

If you're not interested or can't answer the questions then simply leave the thread

If anyone here thinks this is about Pakistani's snd their conspiracy theories and fascination with calling anything out as fixing or that Pakistani's can't stand India winning a game of cricket, I would suggest you stop posting in this thread... live a calm life and move on.

But if you want to have a constructive debate then ansrwercthe questions

 

[Smbhayi]

Please explain for us conspiracy theorists cricket novices with minnow mentalities

Well Mujeeb injured and he didnt play previous game either..
Bowling first, if they really want to help Indian nrr they'd have opted for batting and get out for a low score and India winning by plenty of overs left.. Why they didn't do it?
Regard Nabi, he opened the bowling but in 2nd over India smashed 16 runs.. Any half thinking captain won't bowl office against righties next overs and India lost their first wicket in 15th over.. Do you want him to bowl in death.., really? For your information Moen Ali is very successful bowler for England this world cup yet he didn't get a single over against Aussies bcs most of their bat is rhb and Finch was there in till 18th over..
Jannat is their weak bowler, he single-handedly cost match vs Pakistan, so captain trust other bowlers in death who bowl well in previous games..

 

[Smbhayi]

1. kohli said he would have batted first anyway...

He said he'd have bowl first

 

[IMMY69]

Well Mujeeb injured and he didnt play previous game either..
Bowling first, if they really want to help Indian nrr they'd have opted for batting and get out for a low score and India winning by plenty of overs left.. Why they didn't do it?
Regard Nabi, he opened the bowling but in 2nd over India smashed 16 runs.. Any half thinking captain won't bowl office against righties next overs and India lost their first wicket in 15th over.. Do you want him to bowl in death.., really? For your information Moen Ali is very successful bowler for England this world cup yet he didn't get a single over against Aussies bcs most of their bat is rhb and Finch was there in till 18th over..
Jannat is their weak bowler, he single-handedly cost match vs Pakistan, so captain trust other bowlers in death who bowl well in previous games..

Finally...
Thank you for your post.

When teams are looking to up the run rate they usually look to bat first and put up a massive score.
This is the usual practice and every side that's looking to up the rate bats first.
Pakistan tried this against Bangladesh in 2019 but couldn't manage it as the run rate was so bad.

India did this in Sri Lanka too against South Africa in the T20 World Cup but couldn't get a big enough score and South Africa just managed to score enough runs to eliminate India, although I think Indiaxernt on to win that game.

Batting first gives you some control in that it's in your hands as to how big you can score.
If you field first snd the opposition makes a small total you have less chance of getting the rate up.

Mujeeb was injured and that's is accepted. We won't speculate what the injury is or whether he will be ok for the Kiwi game. That would be pushing the realms of realty a bit too far.

You make a good point about Nabi's bowling to fight handers but after that initial over, and seeing how the others were literally getting obliterated, surely he should have bought himself on... even if two right handers were at the crease?

Also what about the other bowler who bowled an economical over snd I think took a wicket. Why didn't he get any more overs?
Rashid Khan, the best rated T20 bowler in the world, suddenly couldn't find his line or length?
And the general body language why was it so poor from the very start?

 

[Mainul]

I want to add more .
Karim janat just bowled one over. Took 1 wicket and gave away only 7 runs when the two Indian openers were blazing. He wasn't bowled another over . What a crazy /fishy decision!

 

[IMMY69]

He said he'd have bowl first

My mistake however the catching them out by surprise bit was a little ridiculous...

He did infact say, and I quote from an article "would have wanted to bowl first too, but said that batting first could turn out to be a blessing in disguise against a team like Afghanistan."

 

[Charmander]

I want to add more .
Karim janat just bowled one over. Took 1 wicket and gave away only 7 runs when the two Indian openers were blazing. He wasn't bowled another over . What a crazy /fishy decision!

Nabi bowled the first over and decided that was enough and took himself out for the rest of the match

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

This.

Why do they always cry about fixing?

Please believe me when I say this it’s just a tiny bit loud minority

Let’s assume the match was paid off. Kohli will tell Nabi in front of the whole world what he wants to do? if there actually was a fix then wouldn’t india have done it in the dressing room or by some other medium? Like please use some brain cells man.

Also india are among the top teams in the world. And they smashed Pakistan as well only couple of years ago and have been smashing others in bilateral series regularly. Do they really need to fix a match to beat Afghanistan of all teams. You would think india was some minnow team and Afghans world champions if you follow the thread )

 

[Rajdeep]

Stop being a pleb.
The discussion started at the toss yesterday.
From the moment the Afghans won it snd decided to field first which went against what they've been doing all tournament.. everything said here was mentioned during the match commentary.
It wasn't some conspiracy dreamed up after the game was won by India.

I think, no actually I know, that there is a deep seated lack of self respect which is prohibiting many of the Indians here from discussing this rationally. So all we've had so far are deflections.

I think, no actually I know, that if the Afghans played like they did against Yesterdsy but against Pakistan, the same questions would have been asked by the Pakistani fans.

Dont blame you...its just that your understanding of cricket is poor. There is no way Afghans would have won against India by bowling 2nd when the ground becomes swimming pool with dew. India was coming off 2 defeats batting first, so why would Afghans want to change it? Yes they took the gamble against Pakistan thinking their spinners would do the job but Asif Ali's 4 sixes in an over shows how difficult it is to bowl with wet ball.

 

[Rajdeep]

Nabi bowled the first over and decided that was enough and took himself out for the rest of the match

That is bcoz Rahul and Rohit are very good against spinners and so is Pant/Pandya. Nabi knew he would go for plenty and hence went with seamers. If his intention was to not give Indian batsmen tough bowlers, why did he give Rashid Khan all 4 overs? Also did you see what Indian batsman did against Rashid Khan? Imagine how much 4 overs of Nabi would have costed them.

 

[octavian]

I want to add more .
Karim janat just bowled one over. Took 1 wicket and gave away only 7 runs when the two Indian openers were blazing. He wasn't bowled another over . What a crazy /fishy decision!

This match made a complete mockery of the Game of cricket.