[VIDEOS] Racism against Indians in Canada and the paranoia of being misidentified as one

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Very interesting video! Many of the things we discuss here on PP are mentioned in detail

Expect @Rajdeep to say:

 

[Rajdeep]

Someone from India posted this comment on this video. I would like to tag our Bihari Babu from London, Shri @Rajdeep Ji

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I have replied on this before. Racism in west is predominantly due to skin colour & religion and not necessarily due to nationality. You would be naïve to think that a racist white person will only be racist towards brown skin Indians but will be drooling over Pakistanis/Bangladeshis. Ha..I am amazed how far away from reality you guys are. I have lived in UK for more than a decade. Here the term Indians gets associated with dark skinned South Asia people like you and me. So if a person is racist, they are towards the entire ilk and not necessarily who is Bihari and who is Bengali..LOL.

Racism depends a lot on appearance of the person and how he fits into the society. I can guarantee chances of a fair skin north Indian, North East Indian, Kashmiris etc getting racist taunts are much less compared to say rest of the part of India, Bengalis, Srilankans etc. It also depends on the appearance of the person, how well groomed he is, how he smells, how he speaks and how he dresses etc. It also depends on how well he fits into the society, whether he drinks alcohol or champagne. It also depends on gender where chances of a male being victim of racism is much higher compared to a brown skin women. It also depends on religion...for a right wing white racist person like Tommy Robinson or Katie Hopkins, he will be more racist towards Muslims than a turban wearing Sikh (due to WW2).

I don't know if you have ever stepped outside India but racism is a very complicated subject. It has nothing to do with being Bihari, Vishwaguru, Indian media etc. You are mixing India's internal issues with western racism. People like @sweep_shot who has such mesogenic and extremist views is a prime target of racism in western society if he is really the same in real life. At the same token, if someone is liberal like say @DeadlyVenom in real life, he will never face racism.

As far as this SAAAAR stereotype is concerned, it is created by Pakistanis like @Slim and the social media accounts that have some Pakistani connection. No one associate that stereotype with Indians, atleast here in UK. Let me give you an example, during the Southport riots last summer, there was a social media account named Barry (forgetting the exact name) with profile picture of Winston Churchil. He used to attack all brown skinned people but special hatred for Indians, blacks & Jews. Just to balance it out, he also used to occasionally attack muslims as well. Being an intelligent guy that I am, I always had suspicion on that account as no British people calls us Pajeets, **** eater or Saaar etc. Later it was found out that the persons real name was Farhan Asif when police arrested him for spreading misinformation.

Racism is a complicated topic Viru bhai and you need to learn a lot on this.

 

[Rajdeep]

Also, I looked into the youtube channel from where brother @sweep_shot posted that video from. This is what the said channel's home page with 11.8k subscriber looks like:





India's nightmare Pakistan and China teams up, Why India hates China, India will break apart, Akhand Bharat, Hampi Tragedy, Hatred for Modi - lets be honest even a blind nun can say the nationality behind this youtube handler. The guy is not even trying to hide properly like our brother @RizwanT20Champ

Anyone can give a voice make over using AI. This reminds me of that famous phrase - Apne real naam se aao Abdul

@The Bald Eagle any chance this is your channel? Kidding bro

@Devadwal for FYI and amusement

 

[Hikaru]

Also, I looked into the youtube channel from where brother @sweep_shot posted that video from. This is what the said channel's home page with 11.8k subscriber looks like:

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India's nightmare Pakistan and China teams up, Why India hates China, India will break apart, Akhand Bharat, Hampi Tragedy, Hatred for Modi - lets be honest even a blind nun can say the nationality behind this youtube handler. The guy is not even trying to hide properly like our brother @RizwanT20Champ

Anyone can give a voice make over using AI. This reminds me of that famous phrase - Apne real naam se aao Abdul

@The Bald Eagle any chance this is your channel? Kidding bro

@Devadwal for FYI and amusement

Take away the AI, and the whole channel will switch to a Lahori accent. Lame content, but appreciated here for obvious reasons.

 

[Rajdeep]

Take away the AI, and the whole channel will switch to a Lahori accent. Lame content, but appreciated here for obvious reasons.

Basically, what you are saying is if we take out the AI, the guys will sound like this?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I have replied on this before. Racism in west is predominantly due to skin colour & religion and not necessarily due to nationality. You would be naïve to think that a racist white person will only be racist towards brown skin Indians but will be drooling over Pakistanis/Bangladeshis. Ha..I am amazed how far away from reality you guys are. I have lived in UK for more than a decade. Here the term Indians gets associated with dark skinned South Asia people like you and me. So if a person is racist, they are towards the entire ilk and not necessarily who is Bihari and who is Bengali..LOL.

Racism depends a lot on appearance of the person and how he fits into the society. I can guarantee chances of a fair skin north Indian, North East Indian, Kashmiris etc getting racist taunts are much less compared to say rest of the part of India, Bengalis, Srilankans etc. It also depends on the appearance of the person, how well groomed he is, how he smells, how he speaks and how he dresses etc. It also depends on how well he fits into the society, whether he drinks alcohol or champagne. It also depends on gender where chances of a male being victim of racism is much higher compared to a brown skin women. It also depends on religion...for a right wing white racist person like Tommy Robinson or Katie Hopkins, he will be more racist towards Muslims than a turban wearing Sikh (due to WW2).

I don't know if you have ever stepped outside India but racism is a very complicated subject. It has nothing to do with being Bihari, Vishwaguru, Indian media etc. You are mixing India's internal issues with western racism. People like @sweep_shot who has such mesogenic and extremist views is a prime target of racism in western society if he is really the same in real life. At the same token, if someone is liberal like say @DeadlyVenom in real life, he will never face racism.

As far as this SAAAAR stereotype is concerned, it is created by Pakistanis like @Slim and the social media accounts that have some Pakistani connection. No one associate that stereotype with Indians, atleast here in UK. Let me give you an example, during the Southport riots last summer, there was a social media account named Barry (forgetting the exact name) with profile picture of Winston Churchil. He used to attack all brown skinned people but special hatred for Indians, blacks & Jews. Just to balance it out, he also used to occasionally attack muslims as well. Being an intelligent guy that I am, I always had suspicion on that account as no British people calls us Pajeets, **** eater or Saaar etc. Later it was found out that the persons real name was Farhan Asif when police arrested him for spreading misinformation.

Racism is a complicated topic Viru bhai and you need to learn a lot on this.

You are right to a certain extent however the hardcore racists don't really care - and I think the emergence of Trump and Deform UK has emboldened a lot of the hard core racists and also radicilised many people who weren't as intolerent before. Many people fall into the trap you have fallen into, believing that due to meritocracy or trying to assimilate, or trying to pass the buck to other groups to save your own back can limit the racism you are going to face. It is fundamentally untrue. It's why recently we have had debates on whether Rishi Sunak can be English if he is a Brown Hindu. This is a guy who if you closed your eyes, or read his CV seems whiter than white bread but it's still being discussed as an outsider. Same with liberal muslims like Hamza Yusuf and Sadiq Khan.

I have seen many Indians ( hindus, sikhs) fall into this trap and indeed many Muslims too. But much of these racists don't care. I saw a video from a Tommy Robinson march where a lady claimed that muslims were allowed to carry knives because they follow the 5 laws of Sikh!

Assimilation could be helpful but the sad reality is that many people will be racist regardless, and regardless of what the brown/black persons achievements or politcal outlook are. In the UK my advice would be to challenge racism equally, whether it is anti-semitism, racism against Pakistanis, or racism against Hindus, as ultimately when they are done with that group they will move on to you ( we saw this in America when anti Muslim MAGA guys went in on Hindus/Indians).

 

[ahsan17]

Also, I looked into the youtube channel from where brother @sweep_shot posted that video from. This is what the said channel's home page with 11.8k subscriber looks like:

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India's nightmare Pakistan and China teams up, Why India hates China, India will break apart, Akhand Bharat, Hampi Tragedy, Hatred for Modi - lets be honest even a blind nun can say the nationality behind this youtube handler. The guy is not even trying to hide properly like our brother @RizwanT20Champ

Anyone can give a voice make over using AI. This reminds me of that famous phrase - Apne real naam se aao Abdul

@The Bald Eagle any chance this is your channel? Kidding bro

@Devadwal for FYI and amusement

Lmao yes, anyone that dislikes India must be from Pakistan or BD. There are white supremacists in the US saying they are proudly r racist against Indian, but they must be secretly Pakistani? You guys pull this **** every time someone says anything against in India, another reason in the epicly long list of why India dislike is getting stronger globally.

 

[ahsan17]

I have replied on this before. Racism in west is predominantly due to skin colour & religion and not necessarily due to nationality. You would be naïve to think that a racist white person will only be racist towards brown skin Indians but will be drooling over Pakistanis/Bangladeshis. Ha..I am amazed how far away from reality you guys are. I have lived in UK for more than a decade. Here the term Indians gets associated with dark skinned South Asia people like you and me. So if a person is racist, they are towards the entire ilk and not necessarily who is Bihari and who is Bengali..LOL.

Racism depends a lot on appearance of the person and how he fits into the society. I can guarantee chances of a fair skin north Indian, North East Indian, Kashmiris etc getting racist taunts are much less compared to say rest of the part of India, Bengalis, Srilankans etc. It also depends on the appearance of the person, how well groomed he is, how he smells, how he speaks and how he dresses etc. It also depends on how well he fits into the society, whether he drinks alcohol or champagne. It also depends on gender where chances of a male being victim of racism is much higher compared to a brown skin women. It also depends on religion...for a right wing white racist person like Tommy Robinson or Katie Hopkins, he will be more racist towards Muslims than a turban wearing Sikh (due to WW2).

I don't know if you have ever stepped outside India but racism is a very complicated subject. It has nothing to do with being Bihari, Vishwaguru, Indian media etc. You are mixing India's internal issues with western racism. People like @sweep_shot who has such mesogenic and extremist views is a prime target of racism in western society if he is really the same in real life. At the same token, if someone is liberal like say @DeadlyVenom in real life, he will never face racism.

As far as this SAAAAR stereotype is concerned, it is created by Pakistanis like @Slim and the social media accounts that have some Pakistani connection. No one associate that stereotype with Indians, atleast here in UK. Let me give you an example, during the Southport riots last summer, there was a social media account named Barry (forgetting the exact name) with profile picture of Winston Churchil. He used to attack all brown skinned people but special hatred for Indians, blacks & Jews. Just to balance it out, he also used to occasionally attack muslims as well. Being an intelligent guy that I am, I always had suspicion on that account as no British people calls us Pajeets, **** eater or Saaar etc. Later it was found out that the persons real name was Farhan Asif when police arrested him for spreading misinformation.

Racism is a complicated topic Viru bhai and you need to learn a lot on this.

I don't necessarily disagree, however not long ago Indians (not sure you included) used to mock Pakistanis and/or Muslims for being victims of racism in the West. And I and many other used to say the same thing about the fact that a racist in West will not be able to tell much of a difference.

Some Indians like to talk about karma, what goes around comes around, you reap what you sow, etc. This is a good example of that.

 

[sweep_shot]

LOL at Indians calling others racists. They are the biggest racists. They call Muslims, Bangladeshis, Pakistanis, Chinese, and even white people many derogatory things.

They can dish it out but cry when they get it back.

 

[sweep_shot]

LOL at Indians calling others racists. They are the biggest racists. They call Muslims, Bangladeshis, Pakistanis, Chinese, and even white people many derogatory things.

They can dish it out but cry when they get it back.

They are even racists among themselves. LOL.

Caste, skin color etc.

 

[ahsan17]

LOL at Indians calling others racists. They are the biggest racists. They call Muslims, Bangladeshis, Pakistanis, Chinese, and even white people many derogatory things.

They can dish it out but cry when they get it back.

Everyone that deals with Indians is noticing these days. Everyone notices their hyper racism and the way they talk about the nationalities you mentioned, so people don't tend to feel bad when Indians cry racism.

 

[Rajdeep]

Lmao yes, anyone that dislikes India must be from Pakistan or BD. There are white supremacists in the US saying they are proudly r racist against Indian, but they must be secretly Pakistani? You guys pull this **** every time someone says anything against in India, another reason in the epicly long list of why India dislike is getting stronger globally.

Yes white supremacists in USA creating videos on Akhand Bharat

There is a reason this proverb is famous - Asli naam se aao Abdul

 

[Rajdeep]

I don't necessarily disagree, however not long ago Indians (not sure you included) used to mock Pakistanis and/or Muslims for being victims of racism in the West. And I and many other used to say the same thing about the fact that a racist in West will not be able to tell much of a difference.

Some Indians like to talk about karma, what goes around comes around, you reap what you sow, etc. This is a good example of that.

I never mocked anyone but it is a fact that muslims recieve much more racism in west than any other religion. That is why there is an entire Islamophobia awareness month is done in British parliament. No one does HInduphobia or Sikhophobia.

Following stereotypes work in west -

1. Anyone with brown color skin is Indian and they dnt shower.

2. Anyone that is muslim must be a terrorist

3. Anyone black loves watermelom and fried chicken. They must be send in dingies.

These stereotypes are there atleast last 20-30 years and nothing new.

This new found racism against Indians you are talking about doesnt exist and 99.9% of those accounts have Pakistani connection. A racist white person will not give a damn about Hampi rape case or how India is scared of Pak & China or how China PM is holding PM Modi by the neck. LOL..cmmon now.

 

[Rajdeep]

They are even racists among themselves. LOL.

Caste, skin color etc.

Most sub continent people are racist. Western fair skinned punjabi Pakistanis were racists towards dark short Eastern Bengalis. That was the main reason of creation of Bangladesh.

 

[sweep_shot]

Everyone that deals with Indians is noticing these days. Everyone notices their hyper racism and the way they talk about the nationalities you mentioned, so people don't tend to feel bad when Indians cry racism.

There are lots of anti-India sentiments building up among many nationalities (both online and in real life). In my opinion, Indians are bringing it upon themselves by acting unethically, by being petty, and by being rude.

They are quick to criticize other countries/groups but cry when they get it back.

I don't know why they act all arrogant. They are not America. They are not China. They are a third world country. 15% of their population don't have toilet access. 60% of India's population live on less than $3.10 per day.

Sources:

Focus - Why India is still struggling to provide access to toilets

November 19 is World Toilet Day, a crucial health issue in India. According to the World Bank, nearly 15 percent of the country's population does not have access to a toilet and the consequences are…

www.france24.com

This is what it means to be poor in India today

My country’s growing wealth hasn’t trickled down. Just ask Amina, who lives in a slum in the shadow of one of India’s glitziest shopping malls.

www.cnn.com

 

[Rajdeep]

You are right to a certain extent however the hardcore racists don't really care - and I think the emergence of Trump and Deform UK has emboldened a lot of the hard core racists and also radicilised many people who weren't as intolerent before. Many people fall into the trap you have fallen into, believing that due to meritocracy or trying to assimilate, or trying to pass the buck to other groups to save your own back can limit the racism you are going to face. It is fundamentally untrue. It's why recently we have had debates on whether Rishi Sunak can be English if he is a Brown Hindu. This is a guy who if you closed your eyes, or read his CV seems whiter than white bread but it's still being discussed as an outsider. Same with liberal muslims like Hamza Yusuf and Sadiq Khan.

I have seen many Indians ( hindus, sikhs) fall into this trap and indeed many Muslims too. But much of these racists don't care. I saw a video from a Tommy Robinson march where a lady claimed that muslims were allowed to carry knives because they follow the 5 laws of Sikh!

Assimilation could be helpful but the sad reality is that many people will be racist regardless, and regardless of what the brown/black persons achievements or politcal outlook are. In the UK my advice would be to challenge racism equally, whether it is anti-semitism, racism against Pakistanis, or racism against Hindus, as ultimately when they are done with that group they will move on to you ( we saw this in America when anti Muslim MAGA guys went in on Hindus/Indians).

You are right brother but one thing I want to highlight. Many Indians who fall into the trap of sliding with Trump or Reform UK, do it for their political ideology and not necessarily trying to assimilate. For example, I am a right winger...that is my ideology. Now I will be a right winger whether I live in India or UK. So I am voter of reform UK. I have few friends as well who are not only voters but members of reform UK. Similarly there are many Indians and some of them are my close friends who are leftists, hate Modi and are all Starmer/Labour supporters. Indians, due to huge population, in general have passed that stage of trying to please white people and assimilate to not face racism. That is 15 year old story. After the emergence of Modi, most Indians have a political ideology and the side towards the party based on that.

 

[Rajdeep]

There are lots of anti-India sentiments building up among many nationalities (both online and in real life). In my opinion, Indians are bringing it upon themselves by acting unethically, by being petty, and by being rude.

They are quick to criticize other countries/groups but cry when they get it back.

I don't know why they act all arrogant. They are not America. They are not China. They are a third world country. 15% of their population don't have toilet access. 60% of India's population live on less than $3.10 per day.

Sources:

Focus - Why India is still struggling to provide access to toilets

November 19 is World Toilet Day, a crucial health issue in India. According to the World Bank, nearly 15 percent of the country's population does not have access to a toilet and the consequences are…

www.france24.com

This is what it means to be poor in India today

My country’s growing wealth hasn’t trickled down. Just ask Amina, who lives in a slum in the shadow of one of India’s glitziest shopping malls.

www.cnn.com

Those articles are highlighting the poverty in India which is real. It has nothing to do with racism against Indians in west. You are either mixing things or simply doing it for inner peace.

Btw, is that your youtube channel talking about Akhand Bharat in an American AI voice?? Sach bolna

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Those articles are highlighting the poverty in India which is real. It has nothing to do with racism against Indians in west. You are either mixing things or simply doing it for inner peace.

Btw, is that your youtube channel talking about Akhand Bharat in an American AI voice?? Sach bolna

Sweepie keeps quoting 7 year old articles as if world remains stagnant for him. We have plenty of improvement to make will take decades to be even decent in so many parameters but we are moving in the right direction.
Within a decade, he might end up with severe depression or keep reading articles from 30 years ago to feel good

 

[ahsan17]

Those articles are highlighting the poverty in India which is real. It has nothing to do with racism against Indians in west. You are either mixing things or simply doing it for inner peace.

Btw, is that your youtube channel talking about Akhand Bharat in an American AI voice?? Sach bolna

Have you tried to get that channel banned yet for speaking ill of mother India?

 

[HalBass9]

Does being right wing automatically mean you have to vote for a racist bigot? Why can’t you be conservative without supporting someone with those views? Shouldn’t racism and bigotry be a basic litmus test for every voter, regardless of ideology? These have been major issues in the Western world for centuries, why should they be tolerated just because of party lines?

 

[Rajdeep]

Have you tried to get that channel banned yet for speaking ill of mother India?

Good idea...will try now

 

[ahsan17]

I never mocked anyone but it is a fact that muslims recieve much more racism in west than any other religion. That is why there is an entire Islamophobia awareness month is done in British parliament. No one does HInduphobia or Sikhophobia.

Following stereotypes work in west -

1. Anyone with brown color skin is Indian and they dnt shower.

2. Anyone that is muslim must be a terrorist

3. Anyone black loves watermelom and fried chicken. They must be send in dingies.

These stereotypes are there atleast last 20-30 years and nothing new.

This new found racism against Indians you are talking about doesnt exist and 99.9% of those accounts have Pakistani connection. A racist white person will not give a damn about Hampi rape case or how India is scared of Pak & China or how China PM is holding PM Modi by the neck. LOL..cmmon now.

You are basically mocking bigotry against Muslims after saying you don't mock it. That's amongst the reasons even liberals in the West are turning against Indians. Also notice you didn't mention anti-Semitism as a major issue in the West, despite Indians' love for Israel. I suppose you aren't going to mock that.

And your description of racism against blacks is very charitable. There are far worse racist tropes against black people than watermelon stuff.

 

[ahsan17]

Good idea...will try now

Agreed. We must also call the BJP cavalry for reinforcements before we get the channel banned.

 

[Rajdeep]

You are basically mocking bigotry against Muslims after saying you don't mock it. That's amongst the reasons even liberals in the West are turning against Indians. Also notice you didn't mention anti-Semitism as a major issue in the West, despite Indians' love for Israel. I suppose you aren't going to mock that.

And your description of racism against blacks is very charitable. There are far worse racist tropes against black people than watermelon stuff.

Not only in west but Liberals are pro muslims around the world, always. This is nothing new. What are you even talking about?

Indian liberals make their daily living by praising muslims and attacking hindus. Heck there are liberal hindus like Rajdeep Sardesai who were upset when India beat Pakistan in CT citing that wrong happened with Pakistan.

This is liberalism and it has nothing to do with western world.

 

[JaDed]

Those articles are highlighting the poverty in India which is real. It has nothing to do with racism against Indians in west. You are either mixing things or simply doing it for inner peace.

Btw, is that your youtube channel talking about Akhand Bharat in an American AI voice?? Sach bolna

Common sense isn’t his forte, never seen a poster more obsessed with India than him. 24 7 keeps posting on India, lol

 

[Hikaru]

Sweepie keeps quoting 7 year old articles as if world remains stagnant for him. We have plenty of improvement to make will take decades to be even decent in so many parameters but we are moving in the right direction.
Within a decade, he might end up with severe depression or keep reading articles from 30 years ago to feel good

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Nice to see two Sanatani Hindu-Buddhist brothers topping the chart. Expected. <3

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I never mocked anyone but it is a fact that muslims recieve much more racism in west than any other religion. That is why there is an entire Islamophobia awareness month is done in British parliament. No one does HInduphobia or Sikhophobia.

Following stereotypes work in west -

1. Anyone with brown color skin is Indian and they dnt shower.

2. Anyone that is muslim must be a terrorist

3. Anyone black loves watermelom and fried chicken. They must be send in dingies.

These stereotypes are there atleast last 20-30 years and nothing new.

This new found racism against Indians you are talking about doesnt exist and 99.9% of those accounts have Pakistani connection. A racist white person will not give a damn about Hampi rape case or how India is scared of Pak & China or how China PM is holding PM Modi by the neck. LOL..cmmon now.

Why would there be Hinduphobia or Sikhophobia in western countries? What is there to be scared of? Western countries no longer invade India because they did all their looting 200 years ago. Terrorism which comes from Islamic countries is mostly political in nature and linked to a fight for resources in Muslim countries where NATO has been fighting wars or instigating proxy wars to maintain favourable access to those resources.

Racism against Indians is mostly casual in nature, and even then, in today's age it is not displayed as openly as it was.

 

[topspin]

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Who is being racist here?

 

[sweep_shot]

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Who is being racist here?

LOL!

This is how almost all Indian PPers behave. LMAO.

 

[topspin]

LOL!

This is how almost all Indian PPers behave. LMAO.

As a Canadian, would you say this clip pretty much sums up the relationship between ethnic Indians in Canada and everyone else there?

 

[sweep_shot]

As a Canadian, would you say this clip pretty much sums up the relationship between ethnic Indians in Canada and everyone else there?

Indians who were born in Canada or grew up in Canada don't behave like this usually.

New Indian immigrants often behave like this, however.

 

[Romali_rotti]

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Who is being racist here?

That is totally dumb felt sorry for the dude behind the counter.

was obnoxious, annoying and played the victim card with racism....

The dude behind the counter looks a bit like Edward Norton, I am already a fan now lol, EN is one of my fav actors, American History X was dynamite.

And a big thumps down

 

[Justcrazy]

Indians who were born in Canada or grew up in Canada don't behave like this usually.

New Indian immigrants often behave like this, however.

The early Indians that came to Canada were different to present day who come. Canada attracts the worst students from India these days , students who have never being outside their pind ( village ) have flocked here. They behave as if they are are still in that village.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Canada is Sanatan. Canada is Khalsa.

Its something that irks Pakistanis and Chinese given the absolute domination of Bharatiya diaspora in Canada in businesses and politics. Suffer baby suffer.

 

[BouncerGuy]

PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC... NO MORE IRRELEVANT AND PERSONAL STUFF.

 

[sweep_shot]

Canada is Sanatan. Canada is Khalsa.

Its something that irks Pakistanis and Chinese given the absolute domination of Bharatiya diaspora in Canada in businesses and politics. Suffer baby suffer.

LOL. You are clueless about Canada.

Then again, you are a sanghi (who probably gets knowledge from BJP WhatsApp University).

 

[psyoptica]

Indians who were born in Canada or grew up in Canada don't behave like this usually.

New Indian immigrants often behave like this, however.

Yep, entitled and obnoxious.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Indians who were born in Canada or grew up in Canada don't behave like this usually.

New Indian immigrants often behave like this, however.

I think most Indians who post here are Indian NRIs, they don't really understand the host country culture at a deeper level. This is why there is a clash of cultures.

 

[mominsaigol]

Theirs racism against Indians in Australia as well lol. Its nothing new. Indians dont help their case by opening scam centers in these countries.

 

[psyoptica]

I think most Indians who post here are Indian NRIs, they don't really understand the host country culture at a deeper level. This is why there is a clash of cultures.

or maybe it’s their indian pride getting in the way. The old school indians have this mindset of “my way is better”. As the saying goes, “you can take an indian out of india but you can’t take india out of an indian”

 

[PakLFC]

Now these Indians will be saying we are attacked due to false identity. They think we are Muslim's and Pakistanis!

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Canada is Sanatan. Canada is Khalsa.

Its something that irks Pakistanis and Chinese given the absolute domination of Bharatiya diaspora in Canada in businesses and politics. Suffer baby suffer.

I have asked you many times but you ran away everytime. Kindly describe 'sanatan'. And are you a sanatani yourself?

 

[Bhaijaan]

I have asked you many times but you ran away everytime. Kindly describe 'sanatan'. And are you a sanatani yourself?

There is no textbook definition of Sanatan as such.
Its the culture of the subcontinent that evolved from at least 5 thousand years as an established civilisation.
Shiva however has been worshipped from much earlier before people formed civilization.

 

[Justcrazy]

There is no textbook definition of Sanatan as such.
Its the culture of the subcontinent that evolved from at least 5 thousand years as an established civilisation.
Shiva however has been worshipped from much earlier before people formed civilization.

There is no definition of sanatan , so how would you distinguish it from others ? And what is the evidence that it is 5000 years old?

 

[Champ_Pal]

Why Canada? I have read posts here calling Indians Pajeets.

Basically it is a racist term towards Punjabis from India.

 

[Champ_Pal]

There is no definition of sanatan , so how would you distinguish it from others ? And what is the evidence that it is 5000 years old?

A few things here. Sanatan means eternal. No one knows where the beginning was.

We have evidence of Rigveda to 1500 BC. Which is 3500 yrs old. I am not aware of anything that is 5000 yrs old. Some believe it. But without evidence, I cannot accept it.

India is a land of seekers. Many have come and gone laying their path to seek salvation from the misery of life. Great men like Rama, Krishna, Buddha, Mahavira, Shankara, Madhava, Nanak Dev ji had tremendous imprint on the culture and philosophy of India. Some called it Moksha, some called it Nirvana. People always had the option to choose the path they preferred to attain salvation. Whatever suits your tastes and needs. There is no one size fits all.

One can believe in a deity or believe in a formless God or Idol or Godless(Buddhism/Jainism). No compulsion.

However in the last 1000 yrs Sanatana Dharma has morphed into a rigid form. It has become an -Ism. Hinduism is the modern form of the old Sanatana Dharma.

 

[Justcrazy]

A few things here. Sanatan means eternal. No one knows where the beginning was.

We have evidence of Rigveda to 1500 BC. Which is 3500 yrs old. I am not aware of anything that is 5000 yrs old. Some believe it. But without evidence, I cannot accept it.

India is a land of seekers. Many have come and gone laying their path to seek salvation from the misery of life. Great men like Rama, Krishna, Buddha, Mahavira, Shankara, Madhava, Nanak Dev ji had tremendous imprint on the culture and philosophy of India. Some called it Moksha, some called it Nirvana. People always had the option to choose the path they preferred to attain salvation. Whatever suits your tastes and needs. There is no one size fits all.

One can believe in a deity or believe in a formless God or Idol or Godless(Buddhism/Jainism). No compulsion.

However in the last 1000 yrs Sanatana Dharma has morphed into a rigid form. It has become an -Ism. Hinduism is the modern form of the old Sanatana Dharma.

Interesting.

From where did you get the word sanatan ? Which scripture mentions that?

and what is the oldest manuscript of rig ved that we have today ?

Also , I asked you previously , what does brahmanism say about bhuddism?

 

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There is no definition of sanatan , so how would you distinguish it from others ? And what is the evidence that it is 5000 years old?

These sanghis make up facts out of thin air.

Not surprised at all. They elected an illiterate chaiwala. What do they know about education and facts?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

A few things here. Sanatan means eternal. No one knows where the beginning was.

India is a land of seekers. Many have come and gone laying their path to seek salvation from the misery of life. Great men like Rama, Krishna, Buddha, Mahavira, Shankara, Madhava, Nanak Dev ji had tremendous imprint on the culture and philosophy of India. Some called it Moksha, some called it Nirvana. People always had the option to choose the path they preferred to attain salvation. Whatever suits your tastes and needs. There is no one size fits all.

One can believe in a deity or believe in a formless God or Idol or Godless(Buddhism/Jainism). No compulsion.

However in the last 1000 yrs Sanatana Dharma has morphed into a rigid form. It has become an -Ism. Hinduism is the modern form of the old Sanatana Dharma.

It's a shame no one in India ever tried seeking good hygiene or city planning. That might have uplifted a few from the misery of life.

 

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Canadians complaining about Indian workers at Tim Horton's. Interesting video.

 

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Canadians complaining about Indian workers at Tim Horton's. Interesting video.

Main points of the video:

- Indian workers at Tim Horton's don't follow good hygiene.
- Some of them overcharge customers and steal the money.
- They get orders wrong.
- They are taking jobs from actual Canadians. Indian managers often hire Indians only.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Main points of the video:

- Indian workers at Tim Horton's don't follow good hygiene.
- Some of them overcharge customers and steal the money.
- They get orders wrong.
- They are taking jobs from actual Canadians. Indian managers often hire Indians only.

It sounds like they are bringing Indian pind mentality with them when they go abroad. More than likely the Indians born in Canada find them equally annoying. Unfortunately these unsanitary behaviours are a reflection of India as a country and that is how India is judged by western standards.

 

[Champ_Pal]

It sounds like they are bringing Indian pind mentality with them when they go abroad. More than likely the Indians born in Canada find them equally annoying. Unfortunately these unsanitary behaviours are a reflection of India as a country and that is how India is judged by western standards.

They will pay Indians less than what a normal White Canadian gets paid. Not because the Indian business owner has special love for the fellow Indian immigrant.

 

[Champ_Pal]

With regards to Indian immigrants having poor hygine. you have to see the kind of Indian people entering Canada. Most of them from very poor backgrounds with little education. Sons of poor farmers in India chasing dreams of grandeur in Canada. There is a mafia operating both in India and Canada that brings these gullible fools to Canada. I am 100% confident that Canadian government is involved in this scam. Overwhelming majority of these illiterate Indians come from certain state(s) in India. They are told stories of some guy who made it big in Canada. So they sell their tiny land, home and jewelry and embark on the journey to Canada. Once they reach Canada, they seek asylum by faking a sad story of persecution. Canadian government knows that it is a fake story. But they believe it anyways. More of these fools means more votes for their political party in the future. No different to story of illegal immigration happening at the southern border of USA.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

With regards to Indian immigrants having poor hygine. you have to see the kind of Indian people entering Canada. Most of them from very poor backgrounds with little education. Sons of poor farmers in India chasing dreams of grandeur in Canada. There is a mafia operating both in India and Canada that brings these gullible fools to Canada. I am 100% confident that Canadian government is involved in this scam. Overwhelming majority of these illiterate Indians come from certain state(s) in India. They are told stories of some guy who made it big in Canada. So they sell their tiny land, home and jewelry and embark on the journey to Canada. Once they reach Canada, they seek asylum by faking a sad story of persecution. Canadian government knows that it is a fake story. But they believe it anyways. More of these fools means more votes for their political party in the future. No different to story of illegal immigration happening at the southern border of USA.

Problem is the vast majority of Indians are poor and the country is a reflection of that. So generally India has poor hygiene standards and then what do you expect when they go abroad?

 

[Champ_Pal]

Problem is the vast majority of Indians are poor and the country is a reflection of that. So generally India has poor hygiene standards and then what do you expect when they go abroad?

The educated ones with legal visas are different to illiterate wall jumpers and fake asylum seekers from you know where.
Poor hygiene is reflection of their poverty in India.

Interestingly, many westerners who complain about curry smell are the first ones to stand in line to get the same curries with spices. These so called westerners traveled thousands of miles to get to those spices in southern India.

Ps- the smell of butter chicken or sambar is a million times better than the smell of hot dogs.

 

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Problem is the vast majority of Indians are poor and the country is a reflection of that. So generally India has poor hygiene standards and then what do you expect when they go abroad?

This is true of any developing country though. The first wave of immigrants are from the top layer of society and are from privileged groups back home and they fit into the west easily because of money and education.

The next wave is from middle classes who have some money and take loans to emigrate. This group is educated but still has a culture shock when it comes to the West. But their education offers an easier pathway to adapt.

The last group are the immigration fraudsters and the dunki chancers and fake asylum seekers. A lot of the bad PR about immigrants comes from this group which does not speak the language, come from parts of the country which are culturally backward in the home country itself, let alone the west. Mirpuri immigrants to the UK wont be the same as someone coming from the posh areas of Lahore

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

This is true of any developing country though. The first wave of immigrants are from the top layer of society and are from privileged groups back home and they fit into the west easily because of money and education.

The next wave is from middle classes who have some money and take loans to emigrate. This group is educated but still has a culture shock when it comes to the West. But their education offers an easier pathway to adapt.

The last group are the immigration fraudsters and the dunki chancers and fake asylum seekers. A lot of the bad PR about immigrants comes from this group which does not speak the language, come from parts of the country which are culturally backward in the home country itself, let alone the west. Mirpuri immigrants to the UK wont be the same as someone coming from the posh areas of Lahore

Well that was kind of my point. Westerners impression of India is from pictures they see on their screens whenever India is shown. It's usually muddy roads with cows and bicycles weaving in and out of throngs of raggedy crowds.

 

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Well that was kind of my point. Westerners impression of India is from pictures they see on their screens whenever India is shown. It's usually muddy roads with cows and bicycles weaving in and out of throngs of raggedy crowds.

Agreed, it takes two or three decades of breakneck economic growth to counter the set negative impressions. Like China did, and even their success story is constantly nitpicked. India has a long long way to go

every time a native brit encounters a Pakistani in the uk, the person is a cab driver or a uber eats delivery driver, and every time the country is mentioned in the news, it's either in relation to grooming gangs or terrorism it is highly unlikely they will form a positive impression of the country. Justified or not, that is the reality

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Agreed, it takes two or three decades of breakneck economic growth to counter the set negative impressions. Like China did, and even their success story is constantly nitpicked. India has a long long way to go

every time a native brit encounters a Pakistani in the uk, the person is a cab driver or a uber eats delivery driver, and every time the country is mentioned in the news, it's either in relation to grooming gangs or terrorism it is highly unlikely they will form a positive impression of the country. Justified or not, that is the reality

I think that's only true in a few northern towns, outside of those there are plenty of Pakistanis in professional fields as well. Uber or delivery drivers are often African, Indian or middle eastern these days, it's not so much limited to Pakistanis any more. As for news it's true that it's the rotten ones who make the news, but that's just the way mainstream news works. Do you think in a white country the headlines are going to paint their readership in a bad light based on their racial identity? It would cause uproar.

 

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I think that's only true in a few northern towns, outside of those there are plenty of Pakistanis in professional fields as well. Uber or delivery drivers are often African, Indian or middle eastern these days, it's not so much limited to Pakistanis any more. As for news it's true that it's the rotten ones who make the news, but that's just the way mainstream news works. Do you think in a white country the headlines are going to paint their readership in a bad light based on their racial identity? It would cause uproar.

This is not borne out in the stats. Pakistani Brits only rank above Bangladeshi brits in median income by ethnic group. Its not the case in the US where Pakistani american median income is pretty much the median US income

I dont disagree that the news media is malicious when it comes to covering minorities especially Pakistanis, but Indians get a plenty of negative coverage too. You yourself conceded that westerners negative view of India is shaped by the image they see on TV. Its the same for Pakistan, maybe to a larger extent than India. Its hard to argue that the stereotype (dirty, crowded, corrupt and plenty of scammers) is justified when it comes to India but the not when it comes to Pakistan (also dirty , crowded, corrupt, grooming scandals, unsafe due to terrorism etc).

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

This is not borne out in the stats. Pakistani Brits only rank above Bangladeshi brits in median income by ethnic group. Its not the case in the US where Pakistani american median income is pretty much the median US income

I dont disagree that the news media is malicious when it comes to covering minorities especially Pakistanis, but Indians get a plenty of negative coverage too. You yourself conceded that westerners negative view of India is shaped by the image they see on TV. Its the same for Pakistan, maybe to a larger extent than India. Its hard to argue that the stereotype (dirty, crowded, corrupt and plenty of scammers) is justified when it comes to India but the not when it comes to Pakistan (also dirty , crowded, corrupt, grooming scandals, unsafe due to terrorism etc).

Yes there's not really much to disagree with there. But if you ever lived in a run down council estate where the population is white, you probably would see things which make your eyes bleed as well. Is that relevant to this thread though? It's about racism towards Indians in Canada, not Pakistanis in England.

 

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Yes there's not really much to disagree with there. But if you ever lived in a run down council estate where the population is white, you probably would see things which make your eyes bleed as well. Is that relevant to this thread though? It's about racism towards Indians in Canada, not Pakistanis in England.

The thread was also about the paranoia of a Pakistani canadian being misidentified as an Indian and then victimised based on that, my point is simply that the racists who hate India almost always also hate Pakistanis (or Bangladeshis for that matter) even if the reasons they give change. The base hatred is from the skin colour and then additional points for different things like religion, paindu uncouth behaviour, ghettoisation, corruption etc.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

The thread was also about the paranoia of a Pakistani canadian being misidentified as an Indian and then victimised based on that, my point is simply that the racists who hate India almost always also hate Pakistanis (or Bangladeshis for that matter) even if the reasons they give change. The base hatred is from the skin colour and then additional points for different things like religion, paindu uncouth behaviour, ghettoisation, corruption etc.

I can't speak to the OP's experiences in Canada, but my view is that Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are more grounded in the realities of living as minorities in offshoots of the British Empire such as Canada, Aus or USA. Indians by contrast seem somewhat delusional as to their stature abroad so threads like this are invaluable and bring to light some issues which can be helpfully addressed.

 

[oatmeal]

I can't speak to the OP's experiences in Canada, but my view is that Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are more grounded in the realities of living as minorities in offshoots of the British Empire such as Canada, Aus or USA. Indians by contrast seem somewhat delusional as to their stature abroad so threads like this are invaluable and bring to light some issues which can be helpfully addressed.

I think its more nuanced than that . Minorities who have lived longer in the country integrate better. People who arrived recently need a few years before they realise the bad habits that come from living in a developing country (lack of respect for personal space, looking for rule break loopholes etc).

And within these groups its segmented by economic status. Racists might hate both equally but an Indian software engineer in the US would have a far better experience in the US than an Indian cab driver in NJ who can barely speak English. And when you have money its easier to limit your social circles to people who treat you well. Blue collar workers working minimum jobs have to interact with the general populace who arent as welcoming to brown people.

There is a sliver of americans who specifically dont like Islam and treat Indians better but most of the MAGA crowd treat them with equal disdain. I am sure its similar in Canada too, when the economy is bad people tend to take it out on minorties and blame them for all the problems in the country.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

And within these groups its segmented by economic status. Racists might hate both equally but an Indian software engineer in the US would have a far better experience in the US than an Indian cab driver in NJ who can barely speak English. And when you have money its easier to limit your social circles to people who treat you well. Blue collar workers working minimum jobs have to interact with the general populace who arent as welcoming to brown people.

There is a sliver of americans who specifically dont like Islam and treat Indians better but most of the MAGA crowd treat them with equal disdain. I am sure its similar in Canada too, when the economy is bad people tend to take it out on minorties and blame them for all the problems in the country.

Interesting you say that, because depending on your profession, sometimes even well qualified people have to interact with the general populace. I recall a poster complaining about being talked down to by patients even though he probably spoke better English than them as a qualified doctor. People associate you with the country you come from, and despite it's one time upward trajectory, India still looks like a third world country, and people who live in first world ones feel superior, even if they are road sweepers themselves.

 

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Interesting you say that, because depending on your profession, sometimes even well qualified people have to interact with the general populace. I recall a poster complaining about being talked down to by patients even though he probably spoke better English than them as a qualified doctor. People associate you with the country you come from, and despite it's one time upward trajectory, India still looks like a third world country, and people who live in first world ones feel superior, even if they are road sweepers themselves.

it does depend on profession. Most white collar jobs are desk jobs where you have the freedom to determine your social and professional circle . Software engineers, accountants, people working in finance etc.

I agree with the point about doctors who have to interact with a lot more varied crowd. But even among the racists, they are likely to talk down to an Uber driver than a doctor. Professional and financial status means a lot. Your landscaper may feel superior to you, but he would have the sense to keep this feeling of superiority to himself if he wants your business.

India is a third world country and that reflects in its per capita PPP GDP of 12K USD, a bit higher than Bangladesh (10K) and twice that of Pakistan (6K USD). The median Indian is unlikely to be a model citizen in the west. So the image of Indian immigrants depends on how close the median NRI Indian is to the median Indian in India.

 

[speed]

interestingly Canada has same number of Indians as uk, but Canadas population is only 60% of Uk.

 

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interestingly Canada has same number of Indians as uk, but Canadas population is only 60% of Uk.

Canada is pretty mixed. It has a lot of Chinese people also.

I live in Toronto and Toronto has like 55% population which are visible minorities. Whites are minorities in Toronto.

In whole of Canada, visible minority population is now over 30%.

 

[oatmeal]

Canada is pretty mixed. It has a lot of Chinese people also.

I live in Toronto and Toronto has like 55% population which are visible minorities. Whites are minorities in Toronto.

In whole of Canada, visible minority population is now over 30%.

this is inevitable for developed nations with a strong social safety net. Healthcare is getting better so older white folks are easily reaching late 80s and 90s. So their healthcare and social care costs are borne by the state for 10-15 years after retirement. Problem is there arent enough younger working people to work and pay taxes that can fund these pension and care costs. So they are forced to open up immigration from developing nations. This creates political tensions and a shortage of resources like housing.

But the alternative is to reduce social spending which creates its own political blowback. Recently there was massive protest voting in the UK over a simple benefit to older folks during winter (Like a few hundred pounds). It wasnt even withdrawn, just means tested. Labour lost so many seats in local elections that they were forced to rollback the cuts

 

[Bhaijaan]

It’s about time the Indian diaspora in Canada takes a serious call whether to allow Canadians to live in Canada any longer.

They’re becoming increasingly problematic.

 

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@Cpt. Rishwat

Check this out:

"Growing tension between Canadians and new Indian immigrants"

Some of the comments from the video:

 

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Some of the comments from the video:

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The white people meltdown is crazy.

These Europeans just arrived uninvited on these lands, killed the natives and took away their land by force and made them their home. Now 100 years later when other travelers are coming there legally to be part of it they wanna cry about it At least Indians are legally taking over Canada and you can cry as much about it but you’re not losing Canada to Indians but it’s already done. It’s our country now and you better behave.

Canada is Sanatan

 

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@Cpt. Rishwat

Check this out:

"Growing tension between Canadians and new Indian immigrants"

Some more interesting comments: