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[VIDEOS] Shadab Khan's bowling versus Usman Qadir's bowling

Usman is bowling pretty well. Still maintain he is a test quality spinner
 
Ahead of Shadab for atleast a year now. Shadab's bowling has declined too much even for t20s
 
Mixed performance by Qadir so far today vs Lahore. Just claimed the wicket of Dunk, but has been tonked around a little by Hafeez and Denly
 
Looks alright, hae more variations but that doesnt mean anything, as of now ill wait till he faces international quality batsmen.
 
An absolute ripper from Shadab has Cutting stumped, the first stumping of PSL6!

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Big test for Shadab the spinner today in the 1st ODI vs South Africa.

Coming on in the 21st over, after the pacers have bowled brilliantly to put SA under big pressure, bowling to Miller and VVD.

He's got a big role to play to not leak runs
 
Shadab is out of form. He should be dropped for Usman or Zahid. Misbah as usual favoring his United team mates.
 
This is very poor bowling thus far from him.
 
Been the usual fare from Shadab that we've seen since 2018 Asia Cup.

No control whatsoever with the normal array of full tosses and drag downs.
 
So far in the 1st ODI against South Africa, he has bowled at least one rubbish ball per over.

Dragging the ball down due to not completing his bowling action.
 
Afhan Ali said:
Imad should have been picked instead of this actor.
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Shadab will be dropped sooner or later if he continues being innocuos like he has been lately

He just doesnt seem to spin the ball now or pose any questions to the batsmen
 
Painful to watch his bowling today.

A lot of garbage deliveries which were quite rightly smashed to the boundary. On top of that he got away with a few bad balls that were missed by the South African batsmen.
 
Shadab has no business being in white ball cricket. His bowling is terrible and his batting is not good enough on a stand alone basis.

Such is the weak bowling of Shadab that Usman Qadir looks world class in front of him. I would always pick a leggie who can actually spin the ball. Qadir should be a permanent member of the team in white ball cricket.
 
Last 5 matches:

8-0-45-0 (ODI)
4-0-36-0 (T20I)
4-0-24-0 (T20I)
2-0-22-0 (T20I)
4-0-48-0 (T20I)
 
shariqnoor said:
Shadab has no business being in white ball cricket. His bowling is terrible and his batting is not good enough on a stand alone basis.

Such is the weak bowling of Shadab that Usman Qadir looks world class in front of him. I would always pick a leggie who can actually spin the ball. Qadir should be a permanent member of the team in white ball cricket.
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The trouble is theyve got to balance the bowling with the lower batting On paper shadab offers batting that qadir doesnt

Pakistan cant go in with a tail consisting of

Qadir
Shaheen
Hasnain
Rauf

If qadir plays one of them pacers drop out for another so called all rounder who can offer something with the bat at 6 or 7
 
Qadir is a much better bowler, if they are keeping Shadab for lower order batting that's quite stupid, instead they can replace Rauf with Hasan Ali and play Qadir ahead of Shadab. Hasan is OK for a No. 8
 
I will stil pick shadab ahead of qadir but nawaz can replace Shadab in the third odi to see what he brings to the table
 
Saj said:
Last 5 matches:

8-0-45-0 (ODI)
4-0-36-0 (T20I)
4-0-24-0 (T20I)
2-0-22-0 (T20I)
4-0-48-0 (T20I)
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The problem is he hasn't been taking wickets or stemming the flow of runs recently. He needs to do at least one of these things.
 
The problem with Shadab's bowling, is partly due to his action. Whenever he's under pressure, you'll see him run faster into the bowling, and that means his bowling speed increases as well. He is at his best when he's bowling with a consistent repeatable action.

Secondly, he overcompensates once he's hit for a boundary. Normal spinners would take a boundary and would either stick with their original plan or bowl in a more controlled fashion. When he gets hit, he usually bowls it quicker, and at times, it means that he drags the length back.

He's not a bad bowler by any means, but his bowling form at the moment is poor to say the least.

Personally, I think that he needs to start doing the basics right.

Shadab doesn't spin the ball much, and a lot of people are stating this, but neither does Rashid Khan. The thing is, Rashid Khan understands that he won't rip the ball, so his length is always hitting the top of the stumps. Shadab bowls too full but doesn't spin the ball. For him to be successful, he needs to go and figure out his natural length. At times, I think he's trying to bowl it shorter, but it usually comes out as a half-tracker.

Every spinner has their natural length. Spinners with high arm actions and height tend to bowl it a bit short to get more bounce. Spinners who can rip the ball like Warne used to bowl extremely full to get more revolutions. Rashid Khan bowls quite short with pace because his action doesn't allow him to rip the ball. Chahal consistently tosses the ball up because he can spin it enough to draw a false shot or a mistimed shot. Likewise, Qadir bowls it full as well because he can spin both his leg-break and his googly, so his bowling style is built around turning the ball convincingly.

Shadab needs to find his length, and he needs to do it quickly. He has to be tonked around a few times in order to learn which length works and which doesn't. Only then will he emerge as a better spinner, so I'm not worried about what happened yesterday, what happens tomorrow will be of more importance.
 
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UzmanBeast said:
The problem with Shadab's bowling, is partly due to his action. Whenever he's under pressure, you'll see him run faster into the bowling, and that means his bowling speed increases as well. He is at his best when he's bowling with a consistent repeatable action.

Secondly, he overcompensates once he's hit for a boundary. Normal spinners would take a boundary and would either stick with their original plan or bowl in a more controlled fashion. When he gets hit, he usually bowls it quicker, and at times, it means that he drags the length back.

He's not a bad bowler by any means, but his bowling form at the moment is poor to say the least.

Personally, I think that he needs to start doing the basics right.

Shadab doesn't spin the ball much, and a lot of people are stating this, but neither does Rashid Khan. The thing is, Rashid Khan understands that he won't rip the ball, so his length is always hitting the top of the stumps. Shadab bowls too full but doesn't spin the ball. For him to be successful, he needs to go and figure out his natural length. At times, I think he's trying to bowl it shorter, but it usually comes out as a half-tracker.

Every spinner has their natural length. Spinners with high arm actions and height tend to bowl it a bit short to get more bounce. Spinners who can rip the ball like Warne used to bowl extremely full to get more revolutions. Rashid Khan bowls quite short with pace because his action doesn't allow him to rip the ball. Chahal consistently tosses the ball up because he can spin it enough to draw a false shot or a mistimed shot. Likewise, Qadir bowls it full as well because he can spin both his leg-break and his googly, so his bowling style is built around turning the ball convincingly.

Shadab needs to find his length, and he needs to do it quickly. He has to be tonked around a few times in order to learn which length works and which doesn't. Only then will he emerge as a better spinner, so I'm not worried about what happened yesterday, what happens tomorrow will be of more importance.
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Simple problem- the leg spinner isn't spinning at all. Just like it's difficult for front on fast bowlers to move the ball away, it's the same issue,Needs to get a little more sideways on.
 
Bewal Express said:
Simple problem- the leg spinner isn't spinning at all. Just like it's difficult for front on fast bowlers to move the ball away, it's the same issue,Needs to get a little more sideways on.
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It's not as easy as that.

I've known many people who have tried changing everything about their actions yet they never spin the ball.

I have the same problem at times, but the length is important. Length is the only reason a darter like Imad survived so long in international cricket.

His action is also to blame, he needs to get closer to the wickets and put more body in his followthrough.

The length is what will help him build pressure and get wickets.
 
UzmanBeast said:
It's not as easy as that.

I've known many people who have tried changing everything about their actions yet they never spin the ball.

I have the same problem at times, but the length is important. Length is the only reason a darter like Imad survived so long in international cricket.

His action is also to blame, he needs to get closer to the wickets and put more body in his followthrough.

The length is what will help him build pressure and get wickets.
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He isnt going to spin the ball with that action and after that everything is academic. He doesn't have to even spin every ball,just enough to create the doubt in the batsmans mind. It's not difficult to bowl leg spin, I used to turn the ball square, the problem is to land it in the business end, ( leg and middle on a good length) on a consistent basis. The bowlers that can't spin their leg spinner are mostly natural googly bowlers where the wrist comes over too much. Shadab didn't have a great leg spinner but if you watch his highlights from the U19 WC, it wasn't sharp but enough to be fairly effective. ATM he is a shadow of the bowler, and if he was sent back to FC he wouldn't be much of a threat. He has become a terrible bowler.
 
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Bewal Express said:
Simple problem- the leg spinner isn't spinning at all. Just like it's difficult for front on fast bowlers to move the ball away, it's the same issue,Needs to get a little more sideways on.
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No first-class cricket, no long spells, no matches where he has to bowl 20 to 30 overs a day.

His last first-class match was the Test match versus England at Old Trafford 8 months ago.

In 4 and a half years he has only played 17 first-class matches, 6 of which were Test matches.
 
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Saj said:
No first-class cricket, no long spells, no matches where he has to bowl 20 to 30 overs a day.

His last first-class match was the Test match versus England at Old Trafford 8 months ago.
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He needs to go back to basics and work on a hard spun leg spinner. On a wicket that gave generous help at OT he barely got the ball off the straight. Any club spin bowler worth their salt would have spun the ball( maybe not accurately) so its not too much to expect an international to spin it sharply.
He needs to play FC and work on his action and look to get slightly more sideways on. Whether he has the work ethic and intelligence to do this will determine whether he has a long career. The signs are worrying.
 
I know it's the Wanderers which isn't a big spinning venue but Shadab is painful to watch now.

He's not spinning the ball, no variations, there's no control. Batsmen are milking him for fun. Yet he's our primary spinner.

Shudder to think what'll happen against England in a few months.
 
Usual half trackers so far from Shadab.

No control, no threat.
 
has lost so much of his bounce and energy, just seems to be going through the motions now. seems to have lost all confidence.
 
Every over there is an opportunity to hit a boundary, mainly through poor length.

Any half decent batsman will take that opportunity.
 
Bewal Express said:
He isnt going to spin the ball with that action and after that everything is academic. He doesn't have to even spin every ball,just enough to create the doubt in the batsmans mind. It's not difficult to bowl leg spin, I used to turn the ball square, the problem is to land it in the business end, ( leg and middle on a good length) on a consistent basis. The bowlers that can't spin their leg spinner are mostly natural googly bowlers where the wrist comes over too much. Shadab didn't have a great leg spinner but if you watch his highlights from the U19 WC, it wasn't sharp but enough to be fairly effective. ATM he is a shadow of the bowler, and if he was sent back to FC he wouldn't be much of a threat. He has become a terrible bowler.
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Agreed, compared to his past bowling, he has regressed considerably.

I suppose this is what T20 cricket does to some players.

With his limitations, Shadab needs to figure out a way to either take wickets or keep the economy rate low.
 
Shadab has dipped dramatically. Nowhere near good enough to be our main spinner in LOIS. Hes milked likena cow n gets hit for boundaries at ease . No wicket taking threat
 
He has completely lost the plot. This kind of horrific form merits a banishing to domestic cricket. But since its Shadab he will be treated differently no matter how badly out of form he is.

And then someone like Mohammad Wasim has the gall to act like he made his decision based on 'numbers'.
 
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Hes got some goodwill in the locker due to his nature of being a team man, his fielding and all round skills however the time is ticking on his bowling

He ll be dropped if he continues bowling innocuously like this
 
You'd take Imad all day long right now. Shadab needs to go back to the drawing board.

It's interesting that Pak picked him with no experience with the idea that he'd develop even better in international cricket. This goes to show that thigns don't always go in that direction. Players need 2-3 seasons of QeA first wherever possible.
 
Can't complain about his fielding efforts and his batting now and then, but his bowling at the moment is literally a case of a few steps and turning your arm over. No zip, no spin, not troubling the batsmen, too many rubbish deliveries.
 
It's only a matter of time before SK is sent back to FC. A spinner can only survive for so long without spinning the ball.
 
Its proberly a good thing for shadab career that hes injuired.he defonitely looks like hes lost all his confidence.
 
Shadab looks a shadow of his former self. Regressed so much it’s unbelievable. Right now anybody is better than him. I think a decent left arm spinning all rounder will do. I wonder who will replace him.
 
Shadab Khan needs a few good seasons in domestic cricket whereas Usman Qadir could do with some chances in 50 over cricket.
 
Usman Qadir not picked for Multan for the 4th consecutive game. Is Pakistan's premier LOI spinner not good enough to get a PSL spot ahead of 42 year-old Imran Tahir?
 
Surely he can’t get picked for the WT20 if he can’t get a game in the PSL? We may need to take Abrar instead.
 
Pakistan's main wicket-taking spinner bowling 3 wides in 4 balls. Meanwhile, Qadir is carrying the drinks.
 
Usman needs to be given some chances.

A proper chance where he can be properly gauged and tested.
 
Shadab in the team due to him being vc - cannot see him being dropped
 
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ethan hunt said:
English spinners have totally showed up our two main non spinning spinners here.
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On what basis did they show up the Pakistan spinners.both imad shadab went at less than 10 runs an over and one bowled 2 overs in the powerplay !.
 
Usman Qadir hasnt had a great CPL yet and has been benched for the last few games now. Not sure he is the man for this format.
 
He is too risky to be taken as our spinner. I can’t believe we don’t have a single reliable spinner in this format all over Pakistan whereas India and Afghanistan have at least 4-5 decent options. Even Bangladesh can bank on 4 overs from Shakib to be decent, with the odd spinner here and there to provide overs of support!
 
All 4 wickets from Usman Qadir's spell of 4/25:

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Qadir is twice the bowler Shadab is. We have picked the wrong legspinner for the World Cup. Qadir can atleast turn the ball and he has far better control.
 
Usman is there just because of Qadir as surname and friendship with Babar. Even Australia didn't take him as their 3rd of 4th choice spinner. Even Maxwell is far better than this guy.
 
Both are ordinary but Shadab can be a good 2nd spinner just like Afridi was with Ajmal.

Pakistan need a banker to bowl 4 economical overs with 2 wickets to his name. Qadir isn’t your man, and not is Zahid.

Asif Afridi has been the most reliable in the national cup!
 
Sher Khan said:
Qadir is twice the bowler Shadab is. We have picked the wrong legspinner for the World Cup. Qadir can atleast turn the ball and he has far better control.
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Shadab and imad are all rounders qadir is an out and out spinner.id definitely go with Shadab over qadir
 
Usman Qadir most unlucky bowler in this tournament so far. 5 catches dropped on his bowling in the tournament so far.
 
Blazing Googly By Usman Qadir
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So Usman Qadir gets to sit out the ODI series vs West Indies - must be cursing PCB - great chance to get some wickets but Shadab preferred.
 
MenInG said:
So Usman Qadir gets to sit out the ODI series vs West Indies - must be cursing PCB - great chance to get some wickets but Shadab preferred.
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The question should be why was Zahid given preference preference Qadir.
 
Usman done well so far I feel - Pakistan looking at him for some more wickets

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Usman done well so far I feel - Pakistan looking at him for some more wickets

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He still bowls too many bad balls and is expensive. But that's a good performance by his usual standards.
 
If he gets tighter, a bit more consistent with his line and length, he could be a very useful spinner.
 
And one more for Usman Qadir

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Went for 2/36 in 4 overs and the post-match interview on PTV Sports made him appear as some sort of a hero who had long been over-looked despite stellar performances. I can understand why Babar plays him, but what motivated Waqar and the lady host to keep on insisting he had been wronged in the past?
 
He bowled decently okay and had a drop catch come off his bowling. Two full tosses went for 10 runs.
 
Usman Qadir is a huge turner of the ball. No other spinner from Pakistan can turn the ball from the pitch to the boundary so effortlessly.
 
Shadab vs Qadir i.e talent vs parchi. The guy couldn't even manage to get in Australia local teams.
 
Usman preferred for fielding today, whilst Iftikhar asked to bowl.... go figure!
 
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