[VIDEOS] Shan Masood's average watch - when will he improve his stats?

[Hawkeye]

I'm surprised. Shocked.

Shan Masood has played more than 32 Test innings. When has he ever looked convincing enough?

Can't remember the last time he scored anything substantial.

As far as I can tell, this is the longest rope given to any Test opener in Pakistan, in a really long time.

He hasn't delivered. Time for Abid Ali.

 

[Varun]

Thought he looked good in the tour of South Africa, without producing any really high scores.

 

[Aviator]

He is lucky to play for an international team.
He is not even club level. Pathetic to say the least. He should be thrown out.

 

[Junaids]

He has shown all year that he is literally three times the Test batsman that Azhar Ali is at this late stage in his career.

I can see what you are doing. Shan is the main prospective alternative captain.

By the way, why bring a 32 year old debutant into a geriatric team when the leading domestic run scorer is 23 and has been identified as a future Test player for the last five years.

 

[Hawkeye]

Thought he looked good in the tour of South Africa, without producing any really high scores.

That's the issue, some random flashes of 'looking good', which is very subjective.

He hasn't looked convincing since his debut. He's always nervous and on the fence of getting out.

Never mind the fact he doesn't actually score. Will occupy the crease for 5-10 overs, make 20, then get out. And some of our fans think he looked good in patches.

I think he has a lot of sympathy on this forum because he gives great interviews and speaks English.

 

[Sherlock]

As long as he speaks good English some users on here won't bat an eyelid.

And I'm being genuine.

 

[Hawkeye]

He is lucky to play for an international team.
He is not even club level. Pathetic to say the least. He should be thrown out.

He never had the First Class stats or performances to be picked.

But that is history. After his international debut, he has never scored any convincing runs.

He's been given the longest rope in our Test history as an opener - he has played more than 32 times in Test innings. Yet he keeps failing.

 

[adil79]

Don't worry. He will score 40 in 2nd innings to justify his selection.

 

[BreadPakoda]

He’s been earmarked as future captain by a lot of PPers. They won’t like your thread

 

[Hawkeye]

As long as he speaks good English some users on here won't bat an eyelid.

And I'm being genuine.

For an opener that bad, he has a lot of support and sympathy on this forum.

If it was anyone else, crucification would have awaited him. But, speaking English goes in his favor and it is enough for people on PP to become sympathetic to him.

 

[Markhor]

Eloquence seems more important than ability as per team management !

 

[Aman]

Not good enough for this level.

 

[Hawkeye]

He’s been earmarked as future captain by a lot of PPers. They won’t like your thread

Yes. [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] is already here.

Brother Junaids, what do you see in Shan Masood, when his own place is as vulnerable as Azhar Ali and others?

Azhar has at least scored tons of runs in his prime. Shan Masood never did that. He has been given 32 Test innings and he has been consistently failing.

And, Shan Masood is also old. Officially ~31. Played 32 Test innings, failed.

You will make him the captain just because he speaks good English?

 

[SensiblePakFan]

Sami aslam should be back soon.

 

[Pakpak]

More hilarious that the entire PP was clamouring for him to be made captain.

 

[dhump]

Don't worry. He will score 40 in 2nd innings to justify his selection.

In this team scoring 40 actually justify the selection.

 

[Hawkeye]

Sami aslam should be back soon.

Abid Ali & Sami/Imam need to be given a long rope going forward.

Enough of this Shan mediocrity.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Shan needs to be dropped, time to move on.

Same goes with imam who is no better.

 

[Majid Khan]

Shan needs to be dropped, time to move on.

Same goes with imam who is no better.

Yes agree, we need some experience in the opening pair , especially when facing good quality pace bowling , maybe time to bring back Mo Hafeez and Ahmed Shezad as openers in test team ?

 

[Amjid Javed]

Yes agree, we need some experience in the opening pair , especially when facing good quality pace bowling , maybe time to bring back Mo Hafeez and Ahmed Shezad as openers in test team ?

Sadly we lack any sort of decent test openers. Abid needs to be given ago and maybe recall Sami Aslam.

 

[Khan12]

Still better pick then misbah's favorite. i.e iftikhar, asad,imran, azhar etc.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Abid Ali & Sami/Imam need to be given a long rope going forward.

Enough of this Shan mediocrity.

Abid yes, sami recall yes and see what happens.

Imam - no, just as pathetic as shan

Averaging 26 aswell and another walking wicket.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

According to Ppers he is future captain as he can speak good English

 

[FlickedOffHips]

Shan masood averages 54 in List A cricket and 34 in FC cricket. He's playing for Pakistan in the wrong format.

He seems to have the temperament but his technique is not good enough. He doesn't know the meaning of a straight bat. He plays every defensive shot with a closed bat angled towards leg side. It's not going to work at the Test level.against the best bowlers.

 

[Mueez]

Aur khilao is ko.

How many talents have we wasted for these kind of players?

Poor Abid, I feel for the lad.

 

[Mean&Green]

Nobody is good enough in Pakistan us ***** just need to accept this fact and move on

 

[PerfectionPersonified]

A typical stylish hack

 

[RyanRyan10]

He is one of the best test batsman in Pakistan team

Was their best batsman on SA tour and got starts in the 1st test here. Apart from Babar,all other specialist batsmen have performed worst that him

 

[Extra_Cover]

Shan has been second best test batsman this year.

Therefore, in order of priority 4/5 other replacements should happen before we get to Shan.

 

[Mamoon]

He has everything except the talent to be successful at this level, which kind of negates everything else.

 

[Energy]

Such is the situation of our test cricket at the moment that any batsman who can hit three boundaries is considered as 'real potential'. Shan ticks that box.

Azhar and Asad ticked that box, and we persisted with them for a decade.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Future captain ladies and gentlemen!

 

[Bewal Express]

Sami aslam should be back soon.

He is even worse. In last few test matches he was shot less.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Thought he looked good in the tour of South Africa, without producing any really high scores.

a couple of 50s doesn't really merit his place in the squad. He averaged in the mid 20s prior to that tour. Don't know what the selectors see in this has been.

 

[Shoaibbtt]

Abid yes, sami recall yes and see what happens.

Imam - no, just as pathetic as shan

Averaging 26 aswell and another walking wicket.

another opener who was impressive in the QeA was Imran Butt who i think deserves a go. First of all Abid Ali and then either Sami Aslam/Imran Butt

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

Typical of Hawkeye to bash Shan, who has scored more runs than any of the others bar Babar, and that too, opening.

 

[Captain caveman]

I'm surprised. Shocked.

Shan Masood has played more than 32 Test innings. When has he ever looked convincing enough?

Can't remember the last time he scored anything substantial.

As far as I can tell, this is the longest rope given to any Test opener in Pakistan, in a really long time.

He hasn't delivered. Time for Abid Ali.

Was decent in SA. Played some beautiful pull shots.
Apart from that quite a few years ago, when he scored a century in thst massive partnership with younis in SL to win us the test.

Does need to be replaced, but not b.y abid ali

 

[Amjid Javed]

Typical of Hawkeye to bash Shan, who has scored more runs than any of the others bar Babar, and that too, opening.

Hawkeye has ear marked imam who is just as bad interns of average to replace imam.

Clearly a realtive of the imam probably

 

[Abdullah]

Hes lower down the order than Azhar and on par with shafiq for getting the chop. He deserves the SL series. Eng, SA and Aus are the most difficult tours and he has fared better than quite a few of our players on these tours

 

[Pete Rose]

Can’t discard openers after five tough tests in South Africa and Australia. He has earned the right to fill his boots against Sri Lanka

 

[shortbread]

Hes lower down the order than Azhar and on par with shafiq for getting the chop. He deserves the SL series. Eng, SA and Aus are the most difficult tours and he has fared better than quite a few of our players on these tours

He's done better than all the other top order batsmen bar Babar. Let's not forget he opens the batting, the most difficult role when touring.

There is no better opener currently.

 

[Hasan123]

If he actually was a consistent scorer and had more natural ability he would be the type of player we would be saying Pakistan need to produce more.

I admire his work ethic and dedication but he isn't good enough unfortunately.

 

[Abdullah]

He's done better than all the other top order batsmen bar Babar. Let's not forget he opens the batting, the most difficult role when touring.

There is no better opener currently.

I'm happy with imam and shaan for the next few series

 

[Slim]

Once a reciept always a reciept

Never rated him. Trash player.

 

[Fahdi]

It's a testament to how bad the others have been that a batsman scoring 20s and 30s looks as of he is class.

In his defense he is very solid but doesn't seem to have the temperament for big innings. A 30 run specialist for the most part.

 

[Ab Fan]

Babar is world class but do Pakistan have any other batsmen who is even test level right now in the top 6?

 

[pratiktc]

He is on his way to becoming a great night watchman. One day he may even be at Gillespie level

 

[Relic]

Not everyone goes from an average of 20 to 40. Babar is on his way to do that but you can't expect the same from Shan.
He scored a 40 and everyone were hyping like he scored a double century or something

 

[Asif321]

What is he doing why he can’t score runs
Just standing there and blocking then eventually out

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

What is he doing why he can’t score runs
Just standing there and blocking then eventually out

Because he is club grade.

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

He is like an early version of Hafeez in tests

Good only for those 30s 40s nothing above that.

He is a mediocre player and must be replaced by Sami Aslam

 

[Junaids]

What is he doing why he can’t score runs
Just standing there and blocking then eventually out

Because he is club grade.

I’ve been writing for weeks, it’s really hard to bat here in the hour of falling darkness when the ball is new.

That’s why Babar got out cheaply tonight after excelling this afternoon.

 

[AFM]

He's at least managed to survive a few overs unlike our skipper.

 

[Abid Z]

He’s not the worst player in the team. He’s had tough tours to South Africa and now Australia and while he hasn’t set the world alight he’s done enough to warrant a place on future tours. What I like is his ability to take on the short ball rather than be sitting duck and have a compact defence. He’s batting against the best attacks on the worst surfaces for us in South Africa and Australia. I think we need to give him a bit of slack.

 

[shah_1]

He is the best among the medicore openers we have right now and he deserve an opportunity to play against weaker attacks(SL and Bangladesh)

 

[Hawkeye]

If you can speak great English and give great interviews, then PPers will give you much more sympathy.

He averages even less than Imam ul Haq. Has played twice the number of matches. And he has already failed against weaker attacks.


Epitome of mediocrity that we cannot afford anymore. If we have to win the SL series, Abid needs to come in.

 

[Hawkeye]

To all those who think failing in tough conditions is OKAY for Shan Masood.

He's a much worse failure even where our batsmen are supposed to pile up runs - in the freaking UAE!


Shan Masood averages 20 in the UAE, after 16 Test innings.

 

[uberkoen]

Shan, Imam, Haris, Ifti, Azhar, Shafiq they're all the same. You'd need to replace everyone in the team.

 

[Hawkeye]

Shan, Imam, Haris, Ifti, Azhar, Shafiq they're all the same. You'd need to replace everyone in the team.

Haris shouldn't be grouped with Shan or Imam.

He's a quality bat but going through a bad patch. Will score runs against SL too.

 

[moghul]

Haris shouldn't be grouped with Shan or Imam.

He's a quality bat but going through a bad patch. Will score runs against SL too.

Looking at Harris's fitness , age and his lousy technique his "bad patch" will stay with him for ever now, he is unlikely to get better, time to move on from him.

 

[moghul]

He is the best among the medicore openers we have right now and he deserve an opportunity to play against weaker attacks(SL and Bangladesh)

Agree, Shaan is not the best we ever had but we should compare him with his competitors , he is better than one around him including Imam and Azhar.

 

[NauV]

Disclaimer: Not going to argue that Shan is a classy bat or make a case for him to be in the team . . just why I think this thread blatantly ignores context!

I just find this whole thread and the premise behind it funny!!

1.) Comparing Shan's whole career . . Shan had a horrible technique (assailed by the likes of Nasser Hussain and Atherton) for all his career before he returned to the SA side . . Shan is ONE player who has improved MANYFOLDS after being dropped and going back to Domestic cricket . . from technique to fielding to fitness, etc. . If I am not mistaken he had the highest ODI and Test average (or up there with the top) for 2 or 3 years . . so to compare Shan's prior test match record to now is unfair and immature! Let's also compare what some of our other STARS (who still have a lot of support here) like Umar Akmal and Ahmed SHehzad have done in domestic cricket since? Have they had the highest averages or put the most amount of runs? Have they worked hard?

2.) Shan's returns in South Africa . . Although, I completely agree he didn't set the world on fire and put up a mountain on runs . . but you can't look at it out of context . . what have the other more established players done since Shan's return at the beginning of the SA tour? Azhar Ali (averaging 12 in 5 tests)? Asad Shafiq (averaging 31 in 5 tests)? Imam ul Haq (averaging 18 in 4 tests)? and what about some of the others like Fakhar Zaman? Iftikhar? Sarfaraz? Don't even want to bother with their averages . . criticizing is fine when Shan is clearly letting the team down . . I am going to argue he has done his job better than any other batsman in the team leaving Babar Azam aside! He looked the most assured in SA . . and perhaps could have gotten a score or 2 if he didn't find himself with the team 4 or 5 down while he was still there . . In Australia as well, he hasn't set the world alight but compared to the rest, he has looked fine!

3.) Given the context, I think Shan absoluitely deserves to be in the team . . He has deserved his come back owing to amazing performances in domestic cricket! He hasn't delivered the big scores that he would ahve liked and I am sure he would be the first to admit . . but there are other bigger problems in the team . . so if you remove Asad, Azhar, Iftikhar, Imam and co from teh team first, then sure . . let's remove Shan too!

and as a side note . . I know on authority that Shan is probably the hardest and most honest worker in the team! and I'd back him to come good any day of the week compared to others playing the same team!

I really hope that Shan puts up a good score in the 2nd innings . . but even if he doesn't! He would be in my team in the next test match and I'd back him to come good! for 1.) it makes sense to back him . . and 2.) there are other bigger problems!

 

[asfandyar]

Rule of thumb: if you are mediocre in domestic FC, you will inevitably be found out in the internationals.

 

[NauV]

Disclaimer: Not going to argue that Shan is a classy bat or make a case for him to be in the team . . just why I think this thread blatantly ignores context!

I just find this whole thread and the premise behind it funny!!

1.) Comparing Shan's whole career . . Shan had a horrible technique (assailed by the likes of Nasser Hussain and Atherton) for all his career before he returned to the SA side . . Shan is ONE player who has improved MANYFOLDS after being dropped and going back to Domestic cricket . . from technique to fielding to fitness, etc. . If I am not mistaken he had the highest ODI and Test average (or up there with the top) for 2 or 3 years . . so to compare Shan's prior test match record to now is unfair and immature! Let's also compare what some of our other STARS (who still have a lot of support here) like Umar Akmal and Ahmed SHehzad have done in domestic cricket since? Have they had the highest averages or put the most amount of runs? Have they worked hard?

2.) Shan's returns in South Africa . . Although, I completely agree he didn't set the world on fire and put up a mountain on runs . . but you can't look at it out of context . . what have the other more established players done since Shan's return at the beginning of the SA tour? Azhar Ali (averaging 12 in 5 tests)? Asad Shafiq (averaging 31 in 5 tests)? Imam ul Haq (averaging 18 in 4 tests)? and what about some of the others like Fakhar Zaman? Iftikhar? Sarfaraz? Don't even want to bother with their averages . . criticizing is fine when Shan is clearly letting the team down . . I am going to argue he has done his job better than any other batsman in the team leaving Babar Azam aside! He looked the most assured in SA . . and perhaps could have gotten a score or 2 if he didn't find himself with the team 4 or 5 down while he was still there . . In Australia as well, he hasn't set the world alight but compared to the rest, he has looked fine!

3.) Given the context, I think Shan absoluitely deserves to be in the team . . He has deserved his come back owing to amazing performances in domestic cricket! He hasn't delivered the big scores that he would ahve liked and I am sure he would be the first to admit . . but there are other bigger problems in the team . . so if you remove Asad, Azhar, Iftikhar, Imam and co from teh team first, then sure . . let's remove Shan too!

and as a side note . . I know on authority that Shan is probably the hardest and most honest worker in the team! and I'd back him to come good any day of the week compared to others playing the same team!

I really hope that Shan puts up a good score in the 2nd innings . . but even if he doesn't! He would be in my team in the next test match and I'd back him to come good! for 1.) it makes sense to back him . . and 2.) there are other bigger problems!

Oh sorry . . forgot to add Shan's average in the same period . . 36.7! You got it . . 2nd best after Babar azam for those who have played 4 or more tests in that time!

 

[uberkoen]

Haris shouldn't be grouped with Shan or Imam.

He's a quality bat but going through a bad patch. Will score runs against SL too.

All the nobodies will score runs against SL. Watch them cement their places in the playing 11 for another 10 series after a good performance against SL.

He's been around for a while but hasn't had a performance of note nor has he been consistent enough to warrant selection in this day and age.

 

[Abid Z]

Oh sorry . . forgot to add Shan's average in the same period . . 36.7! You got it . . 2nd best after Babar azam for those who have played 4 or more tests in that time!

This is a really good post. He’s nowhere near the biggest problem in the team. The biggest problem appears to be failure to take 20 wickets followed by middle order Collapses

 

[CricketDon]

He speaks English perfectly.

 

[jnaveen1980]

He was the flavor of the forum not long ago.

 

[Mainul]

One needs to have that natural ability, natural talent to be successful along with constant hard work to shine that talent. Shaan lacks the talent, the x factor. Sami Aslam has got both and I always backed Sami to be the answer of opening problem for Pakistan.

 

[Saj]

The numbers aren't good.

He's like one of those batsmen who looks like he should be doing better and looks ok but then plays a lousy shot to get out.

I wonder how much patience the selectors will have with him if he flops tomorrow.

 

[Savak]

The numbers aren't good.

He's like one of those batsmen who looks like he should be doing better and looks ok but then plays a lousy shot to get out.

I wonder how much patience the selectors will have with him if he flops tomorrow.

This is not just his problem alone. Too many of our players throw it away after getting good starts. Even Babar Azam once he achieves a personal milestone suffers from lapses in concentration and throws it away. Big daddy hundreds and when the situation demands it as opposed to when the game is done and dusted is what is missing in Pakistan Cricket

 

[mahmed]

You need complete changes in the team. I choose the team based on Mamoon post.

My Future team :

1. Sami Aslam
2. Hyder Ali
3. Imam Ul Haq
4. Babar Azam (Captain)
5. Asad Shafiq (give him 2-3 series)
6. Rohail Nazir ( WK)-V.C
7. Spinning batting alrounder ( Mohammad Nawaz or any other who is good in domestic cricket)
8. Bowling alrounder - Medium pace ( Faheem Ashraf / Amad butt or whoever is best in Domestic Cricket )
9. Shaheen Sha Afridi
10. Naseem Shaw
11. Shadab Khan/ Mohammed Irfan(LB)

Extended team memebers:

12. Usman Shinwari
13. Mohammad Hasnain
14. Omair Yousuf
15. Mohammed Rafiq
16. Zaffer Gauhar

 

[NauV]

The numbers aren't good.

He's like one of those batsmen who looks like he should be doing better and looks ok but then plays a lousy shot to get out.

I wonder how much patience the selectors will have with him if he flops tomorrow.

I posted some stats a few posts above . . they look much better than others playing in the same team since his come back! . . so yes, if we kick all of them out, then we can kick him out as well . .

 

[The Viper]

There is competition for the opening spots- could see Abid or Sami Aslam in for him vs Sri Lanka.

 

[Nasty Naz]

His FC average is under 35 and he is 30 years old. Sadly, he is just not that good in Tests.

 

[Saj]

I posted some stats a few posts above . . they look much better than others playing in the same team since his come back! . . so yes, if we kick all of them out, then we can kick him out as well . .

But this is where we are at the moment - accepting mediocrity.

 

[NauV]

But this is where we are at the moment - accepting mediocrity.

I completely agree! Which is why I said, I am not making a case for how good or bad Shan Masood is . . All I am asking for is to look at him in context . . look at those around him in the team . . adn those that were kicked out and sent to domestic cricket . . see what they did and what Shan did . . the numbers they put vs. Shan . . Shan deserved his chance . . and since he has come back . . he has done better than ALL other batsman other than Babar Azam . . Not to forget, while you have Azhar Ali and Asad Shafiq in the team . .

So my point is . . while I agree Shan deserves criticism for giving it away after getting starts . . but the fact is . . he is getting starts . . he is surviving that new ball . . and in this line up . . he is definitely NOT the biggest problem!

 

[Relic]

There is competition for the opening spots- could see Abid or Sami Aslam in for him vs Sri Lanka.

I'm seeing Abid and Sami Aslam as our opening pair

 

[Bullet Drive]

Disclaimer: Not going to argue that Shan is a classy bat or make a case for him to be in the team . . just why I think this thread blatantly ignores context!

I just find this whole thread and the premise behind it funny!!

1.) Comparing Shan's whole career . . Shan had a horrible technique (assailed by the likes of Nasser Hussain and Atherton) for all his career before he returned to the SA side . . Shan is ONE player who has improved MANYFOLDS after being dropped and going back to Domestic cricket . . from technique to fielding to fitness, etc. . If I am not mistaken he had the highest ODI and Test average (or up there with the top) for 2 or 3 years . . so to compare Shan's prior test match record to now is unfair and immature! Let's also compare what some of our other STARS (who still have a lot of support here) like Umar Akmal and Ahmed SHehzad have done in domestic cricket since? Have they had the highest averages or put the most amount of runs? Have they worked hard?

2.) Shan's returns in South Africa . . Although, I completely agree he didn't set the world on fire and put up a mountain on runs . . but you can't look at it out of context . . what have the other more established players done since Shan's return at the beginning of the SA tour? Azhar Ali (averaging 12 in 5 tests)? Asad Shafiq (averaging 31 in 5 tests)? Imam ul Haq (averaging 18 in 4 tests)? and what about some of the others like Fakhar Zaman? Iftikhar? Sarfaraz? Don't even want to bother with their averages . . criticizing is fine when Shan is clearly letting the team down . . I am going to argue he has done his job better than any other batsman in the team leaving Babar Azam aside! He looked the most assured in SA . . and perhaps could have gotten a score or 2 if he didn't find himself with the team 4 or 5 down while he was still there . . In Australia as well, he hasn't set the world alight but compared to the rest, he has looked fine!

3.) Given the context, I think Shan absoluitely deserves to be in the team . . He has deserved his come back owing to amazing performances in domestic cricket! He hasn't delivered the big scores that he would ahve liked and I am sure he would be the first to admit . . but there are other bigger problems in the team . . so if you remove Asad, Azhar, Iftikhar, Imam and co from teh team first, then sure . . let's remove Shan too!

and as a side note . . I know on authority that Shan is probably the hardest and most honest worker in the team! and I'd back him to come good any day of the week compared to others playing the same team!

I really hope that Shan puts up a good score in the 2nd innings . . but even if he doesn't! He would be in my team in the next test match and I'd back him to come good! for 1.) it makes sense to back him . . and 2.) there are other bigger problems!

Umar Akmal has been one of the best performers in 4 day cricket. Averages 45. Scored 100 in last years final

 

[Slog]

He’s had all luxuries a batsman growing up can have and yet these are his returns.

I admire his willingness to work on his game and the fact that he uses those resources to get the best preparation but the simple fact is he just ain’t good enough.

If he was from a humbler background he wouldn’t have made it past grade cricket