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Since Eoin Morgan retired in June 2022, England has played 44 ODIs, winning just 16 and losing 25. Their win/loss ratio stands at 0.64, the second-worst among all 12 Test-playing nations, ahead of only Ireland.

With this latest series defeat against India, England has now lost four consecutive ODI series, adding to their woes after a disastrous ICC ODI World Cup 2023 campaign.

Most defeats in ODIs since the start of the ICC ODI World Cup 2023

England - 15 in 22 games
Bangladesh - 15 in 21 games
Netherlands - 12 in 21 games
Sri Lanka - 12 in 30 games
 
Most defeats for a team in ODIs after scoring 300+ (Matches):

28 - England (99)

27 - India (136)
23 - West Indies (62)
19 - Sri Lanka (87)
 
That is what happens when you focus more on BazBall rather than identifying technical flaws. Simply smashing everything won’t help you improve your game.
 
That is what happens when you focus more on BazBall rather than identifying technical flaws. Simply smashing everything won’t help you improve your game.
Bazball term is used for Tests. Not other formats. You have to play aggressively anyway in other formats. It is the weakness against spin. On flat pitches they struggle against spin. There is no excuse. Afghanistan exposed them in 2023 world cup on a relatively flat Delhi wicket. Here in India they played on true wickets both in Test series and in the ongoing LOI series. They struggled against spin even in this series. Bazball works on flat pitches against average attacks.
 
Bazball term is used for Tests. Not other formats. You have to play aggressively anyway in other formats. It is the weakness against spin. On flat pitches they struggle against spin. There is no excuse. Afghanistan exposed them in 2023 world cup on a relatively flat Delhi wicket. Here in India they played on true wickets both in Test series and in the ongoing LOI series. They struggled against spin even in this series. Bazball works on flat pitches against average attacks.
Basically they are fast bowling bully cant play spin doesn't matter what the pitch is they just cant play spin simple.
 
Since Eoin Morgan retired in June 2022, England has played 44 ODIs, winning just 16 and losing 25. Their win/loss ratio stands at 0.64, the second-worst among all 12 Test-playing nations, ahead of only Ireland.

With this latest series defeat against India, England has now lost four consecutive ODI series, adding to their woes after a disastrous ICC ODI World Cup 2023 campaign.

Most defeats in ODIs since the start of the ICC ODI World Cup 2023

England - 15 in 22 games
Bangladesh - 15 in 21 games
Netherlands - 12 in 21 games
Sri Lanka - 12 in 30 games
It's not a bad patch, Their 2019 team was genuinely stronger.

1) Roy (Prime form was more destructive then salt and an overall better batsmen then salt)

2) Bairstow (Only improvement as Duckett is a better batsmen then Bairstow)

3) Root (2019 had more form)

4) Morgan (Morgan and root were the only genuine players of spin, Brooks can't play spin for the life of him, He's only better against pace then Morgan, He's a sitting duck vs spin)

5) Stokes (Butler at 6 was better since he could go bang bang and didn't come early, Now with Stokes gone, Butler needs to move up)

6) Butler (Gun no 6, compared to Liam Livingstone)

7) Moeen Ali (Hige huge loss to England as bethell ain't it)

8) Liam Plunkett (Very underrated gem for Eng)

9) Adults Rashid (quality)

10-11) Archer and wood

2025 team is a mess
 
It's not a bad patch, Their 2019 team was genuinely stronger.

1) Roy (Prime form was more destructive then salt and an overall better batsmen then salt)

2) Bairstow (Only improvement as Duckett is a better batsmen then Bairstow)

3) Root (2019 had more form)

4) Morgan (Morgan and root were the only genuine players of spin, Brooks can't play spin for the life of him, He's only better against pace then Morgan, He's a sitting duck vs spin)

5) Stokes (Butler at 6 was better since he could go bang bang and didn't come early, Now with Stokes gone, Butler needs to move up)

6) Butler (Gun no 6, compared to Liam Livingstone)

7) Moeen Ali (Hige huge loss to England as bethell ain't it)

8) Liam Plunkett (Very underrated gem for Eng)

9) Adults Rashid (quality)

10-11) Archer and wood

2025 team is a mess

Moeen was poor and dropped . You are missing Woakes in that lineup. Plunkett came in for Moeen.
 
Moeen was poor and dropped . You are missing Woakes in that lineup. Plunkett came in for Moeen.
Oh yeah my bad. But yes, 2019 team was much superior.

2025 team is a joke. India is now looking like they'll win CT. Their alot stronger then people thought and Aus, Eng, SA aren't threats.

Their biggest threat is NZ. If NZ or India don't win it then I'll be surprised.

Anyway idc anymore. WTC and Ashes and that's it.
 
England's bowling unit is not a bad unit on paper. But their tactic, LOI skills, strategies are poor. The same bowling unit can do better under with better tactic, strategy, plans. Hazlewood even at speed of 132 kph has been a gun LOI bowler. These guys are blessed with 154 kph, 145 kph bowlers. But they just don't have strategies to use them effectively.
 
They are playing against the best limited overs team ie India. Watch this same English team against Pakistan and look world class.
 
England's bowling unit is not a bad unit on paper. But their tactic, LOI skills, strategies are poor. The same bowling unit can do better under with better tactic, strategy, plans. Hazlewood even at speed of 132 kph has been a gun LOI bowler. These guys are blessed with 154 kph, 145 kph bowlers. But they just don't have strategies to use them effectively.
Bro thats what i am saying teams like nz aus with lesser quality than england does well.
 
England's ODI cricket is definitely in a crisis. Their performances since 2021 have been quite poor, but they have especially taken a nosedive since the 2023 World Cup.
 
They are playing against the best limited overs team ie India. Watch this same English team against Pakistan and look world class.
Just like how sa got whitewashed vs pak in odis its easy to put pakistan down and downplay their achievements.
 
England's ODI cricket is definitely in a crisis. Their performances since 2021 have been quite poor, but they have especially taken a nosedive since the 2023 World Cup.
Bro is it because england cant play spin we have seen the moment spin comes they throw their wickets against fast bowling they look different beast.
 
Bro is it because england cant play spin we have seen the moment spin comes they throw their wickets against fast bowling they look different beast.
They have a definite weakness against spin. It was exposed on this tour and in the World Cup
 
Just like how sa got whitewashed vs pak in odis its easy to put pakistan down and downplay their achievements.

The secret behind the wins in Australia and South Africa was Pakistans bowling clicking and restricting the opposition to par totals. If our bowling doesn't click and if we are forced to chase 300 plus, our team will be in trouble. Our pacers will not get good bowling conditions in Pakistan and we haven't selected spinners to take advantage of the spin on offer in the opening and middle overs.
 
The secret behind the wins in Australia and South Africa was Pakistans bowling clicking and restricting the opposition to par totals. If our bowling doesn't click and if we are forced to chase 300 plus, our team will be in trouble. Our pacers will not get good bowling conditions in Pakistan and we haven't selected spinners to take advantage of the spin on offer in the opening and middle overs.
So aqib should just be brave and select sufiyan muqeem pak will get really far in champions trophy if they select him.
 
So aqib should just be brave and select sufiyan muqeem pak will get really far in champions trophy if they select him.

Sajid and Nauman should have been considered as well. If these guys can excel in test cricket, why can't they do the same in ODI Cricket where they can bat and field as well.
 
Sajid and Nauman should have been considered as well. If these guys can excel in test cricket, why can't they do the same in ODI Cricket where they can bat and field as well.
What was the need of selecting hasnain that guy is a spray gun sajid or noman are 100 times better than him
 
Bro thats what i am saying teams like nz aus with lesser quality than england does well.
They tried to bully players with pace. On red soil it is not a bad strategy.But you cannot be predictable. Same pace will become your worst enemy.
 
So they are good against pace bowling how come they struggle vs australia who mainly play fast bowlers?
When you are a poor team its less about how good or bad you are against pace and spin, and more about how you do in the key moments of the game. England have been quite poor in those key moments for a long time now.
 
Sajid and Nauman should have been considered as well. If these guys can excel in test cricket, why can't they do the same in ODI Cricket where they can bat and field as well.
How about because Sajid Khan has a List A bowling average of 37.88, which suggests he is anything but good in 50 over cricket? Or how about because the pitches in ODI cricket don't start offering turn from ball one and are actually quite flat? Let's go with - it's absolutely dumb to select someone for one format based on their performance in another format.
 
In cricket, the captain matters. Morgan turned the ODI team around.

Stokes took a team that was losing 14 out of 15 matches and immediately made them win most matches.

England haven’t learned that the best player doesn’t make a good captain. Butler is a shocking leader, almost as bad as Root. Moeen was a far better captain but couldn’t keep his place. I’m not sure who the next great leader within this English group is. Perhaps Duckett who’s a plucky resourceful player.
 
Since 2023, Mark Wood averages 110 and has an economy of 5.8 in the middle overs of ODIs.

Need to get rid of rubbish bowlers like him to have any chance. Not much new ball skill either.
 
Since 2023, Mark Wood averages 110 and has an economy of 5.8 in the middle overs of ODIs.

Need to get rid of rubbish bowlers like him to have any chance. Not much new ball skill either.
Mark wood becomes a tiger only against Bangla tigers. Against better sides he sucks
 
Mark wood becomes a tiger only against Bangla tigers. Against better sides he sucks

He's a luxury in a quality attack.

When you have peak Archer who could bowl anywhere, peak Woakes who was the best PP bowler and Plunkett and Rashid to control the middle overs, you can afford him I suppose.

Can't select him when the entire team is struggling.
 
He's a luxury in a quality attack.

When you have peak Archer who could bowl anywhere, peak Woakes who was the best PP bowler and Plunkett and Rashid to control the middle overs, you can afford him I suppose.

Can't select him when the entire team is struggling.
David WIlley is not that bad. He can bat too. His swing can be handy against most teams. I know Sam Curran fell of the radar due to expensive spells. But he can bat a bit. Anyway they are leaking runs. THey might as well go with all rounders and go after bowling from over no.1 to 50
 
David WIlley is not that bad. He can bat too. His swing can be handy against most teams. I know Sam Curran fell of the radar due to expensive spells. But he can bat a bit. Anyway they are leaking runs. THey might as well go with all rounders and go after bowling from over no.1 to 50

Willey is better with the new ball than Mark Wood for sure.
 
There approach is not correct. They play OD like 20 20 , which means they often fail to bat full 50 overs.
They lack hitters against conventional spinners , and are restricted when facing them.
The bowling is one dimensional , and fail to have Plan B.
 
It is a bit of a crisis now. Their LOI performance has gone down.

It is probably because many of their established guys have retired or are close to retirements. New guys aren't as good.
 
They have good players but this team is in transition period plus they needs to Stop playing brainless cricket.

You can't Play ODI cricket with one stretegy ( Smashed evrything) . They needs to build the partnership through rotation of strikes instead blind slogging .
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Jason Roy was working well at the top. This Salt is a hack. Bring back Hales and Roy.
 
One dimensional express pace bowling is not working out for them. Indian batsmen had nothing to worry about change of pace or a surprise Yorker. Very predictable bowling.
May be they will be effective against teams that struggle against genuine quick bowling. It did not work against India.
 
They have been playing without any gameplan. Team looks directionless. Buttler is not the captain Morgan was. Root isn't the same Root. Roy was giving England quick starts 8/10 times.
 
These goras have a wining mentality. They are not like other subcontinental teams who think that they are not capable enough to win. The foreign teams work hard and this is just a rough patch for them IMO.
 
These goras have a wining mentality. They are not like other subcontinental teams who think that they are not capable enough to win. The foreign teams work hard and this is just a rough patch for them IMO.

England have barely won anything in sport.
 
Biggest victories for India against England in ODIs

158 runs, Rajkot, 2008
142 runs, Ahmedabad, 2025
133 runs, Cardiff, 2014
127 runs, Kochi, 2013
126 runs, Hyderabad, 2011
 
England vs spin on this tour of India (2025)

T20Is: 29 wkts | Avg 14 | SR 125
ODIs: 13 wkts | Avg 25.6 | SR 78

No wonder England won just 1 out of the 8 games
 

Heartbreaking for England fans? Maybe it's time to demand more from your players than just turning up. This is cricket, not a vacation. Get over it, or get better.

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To be fair. Beating India in India is not easy. ONly Australia has the smartness to do that. NZ close second. Full strength SA was thrashed by India C team in a do or die series for SA as that series outcome determined whether SA should play qualifier or not.
 
To be fair. Beating India in India is not easy. ONly Australia has the smartness to do that. NZ close second. Full strength SA was thrashed by India C team in a do or die series for SA as that series outcome determined whether SA should play qualifier or not.
If you want to beat India in India , you have to out bat India . You need good batters of spin bowling in middle order , those who can get boundaries in there.
 
Bilaterals may be put down by fans for argument sake. But fans watch your team play to see them win matches Not lose persistently. Winning a cup in 2019 won't absolve them of all failures that follow it. Fans will still be disappointed if you lose a bilateral match. Because they invest time in watching it. So losing it will annoy the fans. That is what you see from KP. Pure anger from a fan.
 
PUnches thrown.

"It seems the journos are in cahoots with what we’re trying to be brainwashed into believing! You won’t fool the fan with such!" - KP

Is it possible to brainwash fans? @Rana
Very easy in the sub continent. Not really outside of it. English fans are quite realistic but are not very critical. They wont lose sleep over it.
 
Thus is a good discussion. As I mentioned aggressions is baked into ODIs as it is. All teams play that way anyway.
 
I think they are going through a mini crisis and would need some wins to get back on the winning track
 
Their game against spin has made them look worse than they are.

England are terrible away from home. Only ODI series they have won away from home in 6 years was in Bangladesh .
They are poor against spin in particular , no doubt . But they are an average ODI team even on pitches that don't spin
 
Kevin Pietersen slams UK journalist for backing England

KP's problem seems to be that they were playing golf instead of training. I doubt even a couple of extra training sessions could have averted this drubbing. When you make bad decisions on the pitch, you can't attribute them to lack of training. England were in good positions in a couple of matches but simply played some poor cricket and ended up losing both matches.
 
England are terrible away from home. Only ODI series they have won away from home in 6 years was in Bangladesh .
They are poor against spin in particular , no doubt . But they are an average ODI team even on pitches that don't spin

They've been awful apart from a few years around 2019.

Even 2019 WC and 2022 they got a lot of luck.
 
Former England cricketer Mark Butcher, while speaking on a podcast:

"The first thing that sprung to my mind during the first two ODIs was just how naive most of our cricket is in the 50-over format...I thought 'why might that be?'. It's because we don't play any. There is a world of difference in terms of the tempo that the game needs to continuously be played at. I don't mean that the tempo is a rigid graph that only goes up, the tempo needs to fluctuate in 50-over cricket in a way that it doesn't need to in 20-over cricket. Having that skill and nous and game awareness to know when to put the foot down and when to ease off a little but, when to sit in and when to go hard, is something that only comes with playing lots of it."

"Being a very talented boy and somebody who has the hunger and desire to be the very best, he will be better for the experience of flogging in India. But if you're talking about winning a Champions Trophy in a couple of weeks' time, it's not likely, is it? That our team and the make-up of it and the experience of it is going to have the skill and the nous and the know-how to win what is a very difficult form of cricket, 50-over cricket. It requires more than just putting your foot to the floor and keeping it there."
 
They had good enough bowlers to defend 351 but that didn't happen. They were not good enough in the last 10 overs where they bowled too many loose balls.
 
Jos Buttler- England post-match press conference after getting defeated by Afghanistan getting knocked out of ICC Champions Trophy 2025:

[Reporter:]

I know you said the stakes were high heading into this this game so just your initial reaction to the result, I know it's obviously pretty raw.

[Jos Buttler:]

Yeah, obviously a deep disappointment to be knocked out of the tournament. Yeah, we're obviously gutted. We had our chances in the game. It was another really good game of cricket. But yeah, unfortunately, we're on the wrong side, obviously.

[Reporter:]

It seems a bit of a familiar theme this winter, where you have your chances but you can't quite take advantage of them. Why do you think that is?

[Jos Buttler:]

Yeah, it has been a familiar theme. I think, like I said, obviously a more firing, confident team would have got over the line tonight. As I said, we had our chances, and it's up to us as individuals, as a team, and as a whole group to find ways to get ourselves back where we need to be.

[Reporter:]

Where do you think the game was won and lost? Do you think they maybe got a bit too many?

[Jos Buttler:]

Yeah, a bit of both to be honest. I think that we started great with those early wickets and we just couldn't find a way to then take a couple more. No credit to Ibrahim, played a really fantastic innings, but to go for 113 in the last 10 was obviously a few too many, and that added a few extra obviously onto the chase and in the chase Joe Root played typical Joe Root innings full of class and composure and character and skill and it needed one of us in the top six to go with him for longer.

[Reporter:]

You're going to fall in your position after another tournament setback, group stage exit, do you still think you're the right man for the job?

[Jos Buttler:]

Yeah, I think obviously the results aren't where they need to be and I personally need to consider all possibilities. And like I said, obviously, we need to get us as a team back to where England cricket needs to be in the white ball formats. And I think I've got to work out personally am I part of the problem or am I part of the solution?

[Reporter:]

Yeah, I saw that quote from the TV about you and the guys at the top considering all possibilities. Does that mean you will be considering your future over the next few days and weeks?

[Jos Buttler:]

Yep.

[Reporter:]

And do you think it is time for someone else to have a go?

[Jos Buttler:]

As I said, I'm not going to make any emotional decisions right here, right now. You’re probably not the first people I'd discuss that with. And take a little bit of time to just work out personally what I think is right. And obviously the guys at the top are in charge and they will have their own views as well - so as I said, we need to get the team back to where it needs to be - competing for winning these tournaments and as I said I've got to work out - am I part of the solution or not?

[Reporter:]

The past couple of years have obviously been very tough for this team, but especially tough for you as the leader. Just how much of a toll has it taken on you as a cricketer and a bloke, I guess?

[Jos Buttler:]

It's had its moments for sure. I know lots of people think it doesn't sit well with me being captain and that kind of thing but I really do enjoy it. I enjoy leading. Even before when I wasn't captain I'd like to think of myself as a leader in the team. But, results are tough and they weigh heavy at times. And, of course, you want to be leading a winning team and we haven't been that for a while now so obviously that brings some difficult moments.

[Reporter:]

I just wanted to today particularly you started off the start this tour when we were in India hitting the ball particularly well. Tonight, it seemed as you couldn't quite get going I just wondered how much of the situation, the pressure you actually felt got to you tonight?

[Jos Buttler:]

Not at all, to be honest. I just missed a few balls early in my innings and then got myself to nearly run a ball - 38 or whatever I got out for. So, I got myself into a nice position again. And I just haven't been converting those positions in the recent past into some of the innings that I've played in an England shirt in the past. And that's obviously a frustration. And as I said, I think at my best I'm one of the best players in the world and that's what the team needs from me and unfortunately haven't been delivering that

[Reporter:]

A word on Mark Wood. Can you give us any kind of prognosis on Woodie?

[Jos Buttler:]

No, we don't know obviously the full picture. At the moment he had an injury to his left knee. I'd like to say he bowled through a lot of pain and I thought he showed unbelievable character, as you always get with Woody. So yeah, hopefully it's not too bad.

[Reporter:]

I was just going to follow up on Mark - that's a captain's nightmare, isn't it, when a bowler pulls up injured. But you kind of look back now and think we were always sort of walking you were always walking that tightrope with the kind of four frontline bowlers and then trying to still fill in ten on top of that - is that always the danger there?

[Jos Buttler:]

Yeah, obviously that can happen. Injuries unfortunately happen in sport and at a time you didn't need them, it happened. And I think I was making it a bit difficult trying to work out how to fiddle through that sort of time, but also having them three wickets down, wanting to attack and find ways to really break the game open. So yeah, it's never easy. And that's the balance that we were comfortable going into the match with. And yeah, if someone does get injured, it obviously changes the scenario a bit.
 

England need more variety than just 90mph bowlers - Vaughan​


Michael Vaughan has questioned England's over-reliance on selecting out-and-out fast bowlers following their group-stage exit from the Champions Trophy.

England bowed out of the tournament on Wednesday after losing their must-win clash with Afghanistan by eight runs.

Jos Buttler's side fielded three 90mph bowlers - Jofra Archer, Mark Wood and Jamie Overton - and just one frontline spinner (Adil Rashid) in their bowling attack, and watched as Afghanistan posted a match-winning total of 325-7 after conceding 113 runs in the final 10 overs, six of which were bowled by pace.

Earlier in the tournament, a three-pronged pace attack of Wood, Archer and Brydon Carse leaked 226 runs from 26.3 overs as Australia chased 352 to complete a five-wicket win.

However, it is far from a new problem for England, according to Vaughan, who criticised the team's management for taking "their eye off white-ball cricket" since winning the 2019 World Cup and 2022 T20 World Cup.

England failed to defend either title and have been "all over the place" in terms of selection and tactics, according to the former captain, with their need for speed in the bowling attack at the heart of their struggles.

Speaking on the Today programme, Vaughan added: "There's no left-arm seam bowlers, no left-arm spin, no left-handed batters [and] we just seem to be all out in terms of pace.

"I don't know who that person is who's made the decision that it's all about pace in white-ball cricket.

"If you ask most batters around the world, of course you don't want to face 90mph, but if there's a place where you'd love to face 90mph, it's in the sub-continent.

"England have hit both India and [teams] in the Champions Trophy with a huge amount of pace and batters have been deflecting the ball to all parts."

Reflecting on England's previous successes with fast-medium bowlers as opposed to out-and-out quicks, Vaughan continued: "I'll just go back to the 2019 World Cup final. I know it's different conditions but Chris Woakes and Liam Plunkett got 6-79 [and] they bowl around 82-84 mph.

"Recently, England have been hell-bent on making sure they're looking for that 90mph bowler.

"The England Lions tour of Australia - a young chap, Sonny Baker, bowled nicely, he bowled 90mph. He's been given a central contract, or a contract that England can manage.

"There's a lad at Essex called Sam Cook. He's 27, he bowls 82mph, he's got 311 wickets in county cricket at an average of 19. He was the pick of the bowlers on the Lions tour and he hasn't got that contract.

"It's a clear decision by the England management that it's all about pace.

"In the time I've been watching cricket, playing cricket, and involved in English cricket, Stuart Broad and Jimmy Anderson have been our best two bowlers. They don't bowl at 90mph."

 
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Alex Hartley has criticised the 'arrogance' of both England men's and women's teams following recent disappointments on the field.

Ms. Hartley made a fair bit of contribution to building up this arrogance

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Alex Hartley has criticised the 'arrogance' of both England men's and women's teams following recent disappointments on the field.

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Can't blame her. THey always try to trivalize their losses, chest thump when they can. Broad said "that ashes loss didn't count because of covid". Duckett said "Jaiswal learnt bazball from us". He also said after recent series "if we beat India in the CT final that will erase everything" It is never their responsibility.
 
England made the same mistake that Pakistan did i.e. relying too much on their fast bowlers in Sub continent conditions and not enough on spinners. What happened to the likes of Jack Leach, Tom Bess, Matt Parkinson?
 

England need more variety than just 90mph bowlers - Vaughan​


Michael Vaughan has questioned England's over-reliance on selecting out-and-out fast bowlers following their group-stage exit from the Champions Trophy.

England bowed out of the tournament on Wednesday after losing their must-win clash with Afghanistan by eight runs.

Jos Buttler's side fielded three 90mph bowlers - Jofra Archer, Mark Wood and Jamie Overton - and just one frontline spinner (Adil Rashid) in their bowling attack, and watched as Afghanistan posted a match-winning total of 325-7 after conceding 113 runs in the final 10 overs, six of which were bowled by pace.

Earlier in the tournament, a three-pronged pace attack of Wood, Archer and Brydon Carse leaked 226 runs from 26.3 overs as Australia chased 352 to complete a five-wicket win.

However, it is far from a new problem for England, according to Vaughan, who criticised the team's management for taking "their eye off white-ball cricket" since winning the 2019 World Cup and 2022 T20 World Cup.

England failed to defend either title and have been "all over the place" in terms of selection and tactics, according to the former captain, with their need for speed in the bowling attack at the heart of their struggles.

Speaking on the Today programme, Vaughan added: "There's no left-arm seam bowlers, no left-arm spin, no left-handed batters [and] we just seem to be all out in terms of pace.

"I don't know who that person is who's made the decision that it's all about pace in white-ball cricket.

"If you ask most batters around the world, of course you don't want to face 90mph, but if there's a place where you'd love to face 90mph, it's in the sub-continent.

"England have hit both India and [teams] in the Champions Trophy with a huge amount of pace and batters have been deflecting the ball to all parts."

Reflecting on England's previous successes with fast-medium bowlers as opposed to out-and-out quicks, Vaughan continued: "I'll just go back to the 2019 World Cup final. I know it's different conditions but Chris Woakes and Liam Plunkett got 6-79 [and] they bowl around 82-84 mph.

"Recently, England have been hell-bent on making sure they're looking for that 90mph bowler.

"The England Lions tour of Australia - a young chap, Sonny Baker, bowled nicely, he bowled 90mph. He's been given a central contract, or a contract that England can manage.

"There's a lad at Essex called Sam Cook. He's 27, he bowls 82mph, he's got 311 wickets in county cricket at an average of 19. He was the pick of the bowlers on the Lions tour and he hasn't got that contract.

"It's a clear decision by the England management that it's all about pace.

"In the time I've been watching cricket, playing cricket, and involved in English cricket, Stuart Broad and Jimmy Anderson have been our best two bowlers. They don't bowl at 90mph."


England bowls some of the worst slower balls. There are techniques in bowling slow ball. Batsman should still have the perception that ball is coming at nromal speed. But if batsman can detect that it is a slower ball early enough then it becomes a pie ball. That is what ARcher served with hsi so called "slow ball". There was no deception.
 
England made the same mistake that Pakistan did i.e. relying too much on their fast bowlers in Sub continent conditions and not enough on spinners. What happened to the likes of Jack Leach, Tom Bess, Matt Parkinson?
Have a look at australia they also playing only zampa but somehow they won world cup in india and doing well in pakistan basically with their pacers so its just not about spinners only.
 
England bowls some of the worst slower balls. There are techniques in bowling slow ball. Batsman should still have the perception that ball is coming at nromal speed. But if batsman can detect that it is a slower ball early enough then it becomes a pie ball. That is what ARcher served with hsi so called "slow ball". There was no deception.
Bro what is happening with england what they are missing they got 90 plus bowlers but somehow same like pakistan they are loosing even australia is similar but somehow they won world cup in india with zampa maybe australia got lucky as well in final
 
Have a look at australia they also playing only zampa but somehow they won world cup in india and doing well in pakistan basically with their pacers so its just not about spinners only.

Tbh Australia's luck is going to run out against a quality bowling side. They chased 300 plus against a variety less English bowling attack. Australia will struggle to chase 300 plus against India's bowling line up.
 
Bro what is happening with england what they are missing they got 90 plus bowlers but somehow same like pakistan they are loosing even australia is similar but somehow they won world cup in india with zampa maybe australia got lucky as well in final
Supplementary skills are bad. Not the main skill. Your main skill is effective only when your ancillary skills are decent. Omar zai demonstrated how to bowl in one dayers brilliantly. His max speed was only 139 kph or something.
 
It feels like McCullum has been somewhat exposed in the past year. Sometimes it feels like tactically there is not enough awareness of the conditions and too much belief in the individual strengths of players.
 
Subcontinent fast bowling demands a wide arsenals of skills i.e. good new ball bowling skills in the powerplay, if the batsmen are on the attack you resort to bowling defensively i.e. short ball with the fielder on the leg side, mix of slower balls, slower ball bouncers. At the death you have to vary your pace and lengths, mix of wide yorkers, stump yorkers, dipping Dwayne bravo like yorker slower balls. You can't just run in and bang the ball at full place without any plan like the way Shaheen and Rauf operate.
 
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