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So someone who plays the sweep and reserve sweep shows that hes not a natural striker ?

I think zeeshan Ashraf should be given ago hes an ok keeper but his batting is way better than rizwan and rohail as he showed in national cup and psl a few times

Someone who struggles to hit big shots and then resorts to playing sweeps and dab/paddle shots doesn’t automatically become a short format player. It reiterates they are using the pace of the bowler because it’s their main / only way of scoring runs.

Again, I don’t think Zeeshan has done enough to warrant selection for the international team yet. He seems to have some shots but isn’t quite there yet.
 
The excuses people make to keep Rizwan in the limited overs side are hilarious. And then we cry about how we don’t have the right type of players in this format

It’s not about keeping Rizwan in the T20s team. He is by far the weak link in the batting order and should not be playing T20.

However why replace him with someone who’s barely marginally better and also clearly not a T20 player - especially if that person is a young player who’s confidence could be ruined.
 
Someone who struggles to hit big shots and then resorts to playing sweeps and dab/paddle shots doesn’t automatically become a short format player. It reiterates they are using the pace of the bowler because it’s their main / only way of scoring runs.

Again, I don’t think Zeeshan has done enough to warrant selection for the international team yet. He seems to have some shots but isn’t quite there yet.

Rohail can play the cut, pull, and lofted drive straight over the bowler for six.
 
He’s not a finished product but will be valuable in coming years.

A clip from 1 year ago.
 
It’s not about keeping Rizwan in the T20s team. He is by far the weak link in the batting order and should not be playing T20.

However why replace him with someone who’s barely marginally better and also clearly not a T20 player - especially if that person is a young player who’s confidence could be ruined.

I don’t think it will ruin his confidence to be trusted to keep wickets for Pakistan at such a young age. Also Haider, Abdullah Shafiq, Hasnain and Shaheen are all in the same age bracket as him. He will not be the only youngster in the team.

Rizwan is even below Kamran Akmal right now as a T20 player. The following players regardless of their age or experience are better T20 options than Rizwan as a keeper batsman:

Kamran Akmal
Azam Khan
Sarfaraz Ahmed
Zeeshan Ashraf
 
He’s not a finished product but will be valuable in coming years.

A clip from 1 year ago.

He will be extremely valuable in the longer formats. But this clip just proves my point. He is not a natural big hitter / striker of the ball.

That shot over cover off a free hit was impressive but he scored 13 of 13 in the powerplay. Even that was due to an inside edge for 4 and a six down the ground from a spinner. Can you see him coming out at number 6/7 and scoring 30 off 18 type innings? Absolutely not

And putting him into that role will stall his career. He has the potential to be a proper batsman.
 
He will be extremely valuable in the longer formats. But this clip just proves my point. He is not a natural big hitter / striker of the ball.

That shot over cover off a free hit was impressive but he scored 13 of 13 in the powerplay. Even that was due to an inside edge for 4 and a six down the ground from a spinner. Can you see him coming out at number 6/7 and scoring 30 off 18 type innings? Absolutely not

And putting him into that role will stall his career. He has the potential to be a proper batsman.

Yes actually! Just today he scored 27 off 17 in the practice match.

I realize he’s not Gilchrist but don’t write him off
 
Yes actually! Just today he scored 27 off 17 in the practice match.

I realize he’s not Gilchrist but don’t write him off

Yes because a PSL practice match is a good metric for international cricket? When he shows the ability to score quickly over a consistent number of matches, even at the domestic / PSL level, then talk.
 
Yes because a PSL practice match is a good metric for international cricket? When he shows the ability to score quickly over a consistent number of matches, even at the domestic / PSL level, then talk.

I agree, but surely he’s better than Rizwan even now?

Ideally I still think Zeeshan Ashraf is the better choice
 
I agree, but surely he’s better than Rizwan even now?

Ideally I still think Zeeshan Ashraf is the better choice

He’s not even in the PCB’s plans right now by the looks of it. I’m hoping Zeeshan bangs a decent score in one or two of the play off matches to get noticed. Unfortunately Misbah’s way of looking at cricket and our way (the outsiders from England, USA and Canada) is very very different unfortunately.
 
I agree, but surely he’s better than Rizwan even now?

Ideally I still think Zeeshan Ashraf is the better choice

No he’s not. As explained above, Rizwan is an exceptional keeper. Rohail clearly is not as good as him in keeping but he may or may not be slightly better at batting. If he is better, the difference is negligible. Especially when you consider that Rizwan has scored Test match runs against tough Aussie and English attacks not to mention ODI centuries against Australia. He’s not a T20 player but he can bat. So why risk Rohail when he would only be marginally better at a similar slow pace?
 
Someone who struggles to hit big shots and then resorts to playing sweeps and dab/paddle shots doesn’t automatically become a short format player. It reiterates they are using the pace of the bowler because it’s their main / only way of scoring runs.

Again, I don’t think Zeeshan has done enough to warrant selection for the international team yet. He seems to have some shots but isn’t quite there yet.

Zeeshan Ashraf just needs to improve his fitness I'd have him over rohail rizwan anyday of the week in t20s rizwan can only open hes wasting a space in the team.rohail I put my trust in to score quick 30 I wouldnt put my trust in rizwan to do that.
 
No he’s not. As explained above, Rizwan is an exceptional keeper. Rohail clearly is not as good as him in keeping but he may or may not be slightly better at batting. If he is better, the difference is negligible. Especially when you consider that Rizwan has scored Test match runs against tough Aussie and English attacks not to mention ODI centuries against Australia. He’s not a T20 player but he can bat. So why risk Rohail when he would only be marginally better at a similar slow pace?

Rizwan had a strike rate of 98 and 108 in domestic rohail nazir at 119 strike rate?
 
So you admit rizwan isnt going to get any better going by the sample size or rizwan or do you belive hes going to get better even after playing so many doesmtic games ?

I think Rohail is not better than Rizwan at T20 batting so using the fact that he has a slightly higher (but still poor) strike rate is not a valid reason to suggest he should be in the team.
 
How is he going to be tested at the highest level if he gets no chances.

By now he should have had a few games under his belt for Pakistan instead of just carrying the drinks again and again.
 
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How is he going to be tested at the highest level if he gets no chances.

By now he should have had a few games under his belt for Pakistan instead of just carrying the drinks again and again.

Given that he's skippering the Shaheens, at least we'll see how he does at a decent level in NZ. If does really well in those games, we might see him get a t20 for Pakistan. I think you'll see Sarfi play the t20s to begin with
 
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How is he going to be tested at the highest level if he gets no chances.

By now he should have had a few games under his belt for Pakistan instead of just carrying the drinks again and again.

He’s young and he’s being given plenty of chances to not only play but captain at different levels. The only format where he could potentially have been given a chance is T20i and he’s clearly not suited to that / nor would he even have got a bat in this series.
 
He’s young and he’s being given plenty of chances to not only play but captain at different levels. The only format where he could potentially have been given a chance is T20i and he’s clearly not suited to that / nor would he even have got a bat in this series.

The real test is at the highest level.

As I say, by now he should have had game time for the senior side.
 
The real test is at the highest level.

As I say, by now he should have had game time for the senior side.

He’s just turned 19. Covid has meant very little cricket has been played over the past year. And Rizwan has just come into the team and been exceptional.

I don’t see why he should have played international cricket.

Shaheen, Naseem and Haider all debuted because they are exceptional talents and we are lacking in fast bowlers / batsmen.
 
The real test is at the highest level.

As I say, by now he should have had game time for the senior side.

Captaining Shaheens, scored 100 off 164 - think he's put in his case for inclusion in the Test side but dont think he will displace Rizwan - unless Pak play him as a batsman alone?
 
Captaining Shaheens, scored 100 off 164 - think he's put in his case for inclusion in the Test side but dont think he will displace Rizwan - unless Pak play him as a batsman alone?

If Babar doesn't play the first test and with Haris missing as well (if there is no injury, I can't see why he missed out here when everyone else is having a go), we have two spots unaccounted for. Who do you play there?
 
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If Babar doesn't play the first test and with Haris being AWOL as well (if there is no injury, I can't see why he missed out here when everyone else is having a go), we have two spots unaccounted for. Who do you play there?

Good point - just hope he is considered as a batsman and not get into a comp vs Rizwan for keeper spot
 
Good point - just hope he is considered as a batsman and not get into a comp vs Rizwan for keeper spot
He must be considered. He has had a decent outing in both innings with a ton in the second. Bar Fawad and Azhar no one has done anything of note.

Abid, Shan, Azhar, ?, ?, Fawad, Rizwan, ?, Shaheen, Abbas, Naseem.

That is three spots to fill. I think as much as he is not needed Yasir might get one, but in that case how do you play Amad. The tail is too long.

The only options for the other two are Imran, Rohail, Talat, Iftikhar, Abdullah, Shadab, Hiader. From those, with this ton, he should be a front-runner.
 
11 fours, 2 sixes. The first six is almost AB-esque, falls over sweeping it flat over the boundary. Very good square of the wicket. Scores a hundred for his team in SENA as captain when they’re in trouble. Has a history of knocks like these. Cares enough to positively work on his batting with Gary Palmer after Misbah kicks him out of the England biosecure bubble.

Pakistani fans: he’s just not good.
 
Id rather he not play this series even after scoring a century in this game. 3 attacks you do not want to debut against at their home: India, Australia, and New Zealand.

We have a series in Zimbabwe in April, that's a good time to hand him a debut, as well as a couple of other young talents.
 
He is not a LO batsman and his keeping is nowhere near Rizwan’s. At the moment he doesn’t threaten his position as the undisputed first choice WK in any format.

Now Rohail will be forced down our throats after the last 3 months were spent hyping Abdullah Shafique to the moon and back.
 
Id rather he not play this series even after scoring a century in this game. 3 attacks you do not want to debut against at their home: India, Australia, and New Zealand.

We have a series in Zimbabwe in April, that's a good time to hand him a debut, as well as a couple of other young talents.

Not a question of a proper debut. He shouldn't debut anytime soon. This is a one off thing and should be treated as such. He is in good form, in case Babar and Haris don't play, he should get the games. Regardless of how he does, he goes to then bench when Babar comes back. Who else are we going to play in their place?
 
Now Amir retires showing torture and Rohail made a century in a tour match..... Although long way 2 go.....he need 2 b in few such A tours
 
He is not a LO batsman and his keeping is nowhere near Rizwan’s. At the moment he doesn’t threaten his position as the undisputed first choice WK in any format.

Now Rohail will be forced down our throats after the last 3 months were spent hyping Abdullah Shafique to the moon and back.

Just. a solitary match in condition unknown 2 him and we r hyping him and now slaying him....Mr looser....u won't get players from trees ...u get players by acclimatising them to alien conditions and pitches.....so that they can develop their game..
Know their strength and weakness.... It's other thing that Pak don't have world-class infrastructure.....but 2 slay any youngsters is just a sign of weak personality looking 4 soft target
 
Not a question of a proper debut. He shouldn't debut anytime soon. This is a one off thing and should be treated as such. He is in good form, in case Babar and Haris don't play, he should get the games. Regardless of how he does, he goes to then bench when Babar comes back. Who else are we going to play in their place?

That's what I'm trying to say. Rizwan deserves a longer stint and Rohail should keep plying domestic cricket and for Shaheens.
 
That's what I'm trying to say. Rizwan deserves a longer stint and Rohail should keep plying domestic cricket and for Shaheens.

It bodes well for Rohail’s temperament. He has the ability to be the middle order ODI and possibly even T20 keeper we are looking for, if Rizwan fails to make his mark and Azam Khan, Zeeshan Ashraf, and Mohammad Haris fail to step up.

I would much rather take a solid first class batsman and improve his power game, as Rohail is doing, than take a slogger and improve his technique.

By 2027 at the very latest, Rohail should be the first choice keeper in One Day cricket. He might become first choice long before then though.
 
If Babar doesn't play the first test and with Haris missing as well (if there is no injury, I can't see why he missed out here when everyone else is having a go), we have two spots unaccounted for. Who do you play there?

Hussain talat
 
He is not a LO batsman and his keeping is nowhere near Rizwan’s. At the moment he doesn’t threaten his position as the undisputed first choice WK in any format.

Now Rohail will be forced down our throats after the last 3 months were spent hyping Abdullah Shafique to the moon and back.
Agreed. Rizwan is most definitely a LOI batsman, Rohail is not even close to the skill Rizwan has. Plenty evidence of that in the first T20 against NZ.
 
Agreed. Rizwan is most definitely a LOI batsman, Rohail is not even close to the skill Rizwan has. Plenty evidence of that in the first T20 against NZ.

Rizwan is one of the best keepers in the world. They are only 2-3 keepers who are comparable to him in terms of glove-work.

It is useless to replace him with a vastly inferior keeper who is by no means some special talent with the bat especially in limited overs.

I would happily drop Rizwan from ODIs and T20Is for good if Pakistan can find a Buttler, Bairstow, de Kock or even someone like Pant and Billings.
 
It is simple.

Rizwan should only be dropped from the Test team if Pakistan can find a WK who can average around 45 with the bat.

Rizwan should only be dropped from the ODIs and T20Is squads if Pakistan can find a WK who can average around 35 and strike at 100+ in ODIs and 130+ in T20Is.

So who are the names who can do the above?

Rizwan is an elite level WK. Along with Wasim Bari and Latif, he is the best glovesman we have ever produced, but fans want him to be booted out for some nobodies in this dark era of Pakistan cricket where we barely have 2-3 top cricketers in the entire country.
 
Rizwan is one of the best keepers in the world. They are only 2-3 keepers who are comparable to him in terms of glove-work.

It is useless to replace him with a vastly inferior keeper who is by no means some special talent with the bat especially in limited overs.

I would happily drop Rizwan from ODIs and T20Is for good if Pakistan can find a Buttler, Bairstow, de Kock or even someone like Pant and Billings.
So now, the only thing left to defend Rizwan with is that he is such a superior talent in terms of glove work? Quite a strange turn of events.

I'll use the same logic people used for Sarfraz, and rightly so. If individual X keeps failing, you replace him with someone who hasn't been tried yet. It's ridiculous to accept mediocrity until we find a Buttler, Bairstow or de Kock.

Rohail deserves his spot, Rizwan is on his last legs in LOI cricket.
 
So now, the only thing left to defend Rizwan with is that he is such a superior talent in terms of glove work? Quite a strange turn of events.

I'll use the same logic people used for Sarfraz, and rightly so. If individual X keeps failing, you replace him with someone who hasn't been tried yet. It's ridiculous to accept mediocrity until we find a Buttler, Bairstow or de Kock.

Rohail deserves his spot, Rizwan is on his last legs in LOI cricket.

As I explained in the other thread, Sarfraz was never elite with the gloves. At no point did he reach the level Rizwan is at today.

Rohail is not the explosive white ball batsman that people think, so what is the point in having him replace a far, far better keeper?
 
It is simple.

Rizwan should only be dropped from the Test team if Pakistan can find a WK who can average around 45 with the bat.

Rizwan should only be dropped from the ODIs and T20Is squads if Pakistan can find a WK who can average around 35 and strike at 100+ in ODIs and 130+ in T20Is.

So who are the names who can do the above?

Rizwan is an elite level WK. Along with Wasim Bari and Latif, he is the best glovesman we have ever produced, but fans want him to be booted out for some nobodies in this dark era of Pakistan cricket where we barely have 2-3 top cricketers in the entire country.

Who are these fans? I haven't seen anyone say he should be dropped from Tests. No one at all. He has been the second best test bat behind Babar on two tours now, not to mention he is probably the best WK in the world.

As for ODIs, most don't want that as well, not at the moment. He is in the ODI team. But that doesn't mean he gets a free run. If he carries on like he did in the Zim series, he is and he should be getting dropped.
 
Who are these fans? I haven't seen anyone say he should be dropped from Tests. No one at all. He has been the second best test bat behind Babar on two tours now, not to mention he probably the best WK in the world.

As for ODIs, most don't want that as well, not at the moment. He is in the ODI team. But that doesn't mean he gets a free run. If he carries on like he did in the Zim series, he is and he should be getting dropped.

There are a lot of closet Sarfraz devotees on this forum who have always had a problem with Rizwan and have only praised him with gritted teeth.

In ODIs, unless Pakistan can find a proper explosive WK batsman, there is no point in replacing him for a vastly inferior but only slightly better batsman.

Besides, Rizwan is a good number 4-5 in ODIs. He scored two hundreds in five ODIs against Australia.
 
Who are these fans? I haven't seen anyone say he should be dropped from Tests. No one at all. He has been the second best test bat behind Babar on two tours now, not to mention he is probably the best WK in the world.

As for ODIs, most don't want that as well, not at the moment. He is in the ODI team. But that doesn't mean he gets a free run. If he carries on like he did in the Zim series, he is and he should be getting dropped.

He has a compulsion to put words in people’s mouths so he feels better debunking them.
 
There are a lot of closet Sarfraz devotees on this forum who have always had a problem with Rizwan and have only praised him with gritted teeth.

In ODIs, unless Pakistan can find a proper explosive WK batsman, there is no point in replacing him for a vastly inferior but only slightly better batsman.

Besides, Rizwan is a good number 4-5 in ODIs. He scored two hundreds in five ODIs against Australia.

Well, yeah there is that fangroup. But even they seemed to have made peace with the fact that Rizwan isn't going anywhere in tests, atleast not till it's already too late for Sarfraz. They are focusing their energies on LOIs now.


Rizwan is batting at four in ODIs. I agree that he is the first choice now. He should getting plenty of games to show he belongs. And if he doesn't, he should be dropped.

Rohail has been scoring runs in one day games throughout his career as well and has played some impressive knocks. And his gloves work isn't bad either, it's not on Rizwan's level but not many are.

So, if Rizwan keeps on not performing, especially batting at 4 then I don't see why we can't look at Rohail down the line.
 
Rohail has a poor technique against fast bowling. He moves around too much and is off balance
 
Rizwan is the best keeper out of the current lot, that's clear.

It will be Interesting to see which keeper excels in domestic 50 over tournament.
 
I hope PSL6 isn't another case of thanks for coming Rohail.

Come on IU give the kid a chance ahead of Salt.
 
Phil Salt has now had 3 failures in a row with the bat for Islamabad. How long before Rohail gets the WK batsman place ahead of him?
 
Phil Salt has now had 3 failures in a row with the bat for Islamabad. How long before Rohail gets the WK batsman place ahead of him?

I am sure Rohail's time will come as long as he keeps his head down, be patient and continue focus like Rizwan.
 
Surely Rohail can't be as bad as Salt is now but ISB management is still preferring him over Rohail:facepalm
 
Rohail Nazir was in last ODI squad and he has been dropped and he wasn't even in list of players dropped just like no one ever selected him can anyone tell me why is this?
 
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Well it looks like he's even further down the pecking order now that Azam Khan is in favour with the selectors.
 
Well it looks like he's even further down the pecking order now that Azam Khan is in favour with the selectors.

Azam Khan looks like another PSL player that got selected after a couple of 50’s.

They’ll never learn. The selection policy was pretty inconsistent pre PSL but it looks like it’s getting worse now.
 
Azam Khan looks like another PSL player that got selected after a couple of 50’s.

They’ll never learn. The selection policy was pretty inconsistent pre PSL but it looks like it’s getting worse now.

To be honest rohail will get his chance in tests before he gets his chance in the t20s or odis.
 
Rohail batting at number 3 for Islamabad - big chance to show his skills and prove himself
 
Rohail Nazir's development as a batsman being seriously hurt by the way he is being asked to bat at number 3 - should be allowed to play at 7/8 to build confidence.
 
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Rohail Nazir's development as a batsman being seriously hurt by the way he is being asked to bat at number 3 - should be allowed to play at 7/8 to build confidence.

I havent seen the games involving Rohail recently but I dont think he is a number 7/8 batsman. He needs to bat in top 4.

He may be out of form?
 
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BE PATIENT!!! Give Rohail 15-20 games. Rohail’s a top order batsman, good decision by IU
 
Rohail Nazir's development as a batsman being seriously hurt by the way he is being asked to bat at number 3 - should be allowed to play at 7/8 to build confidence.
IU are doing a big favour on him by playing him at 3 where he can take a few balls to get his eye in. Imagine coming in at 6 or 7 and then be expected to hit from ball 1. That would be be harmful for his confidence.
 
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Excellent decision by IU to let rohail bat at 3 we're he can take a few balls.
 
I dont know why Rohail Nazir is not in the international team ? Isnt he wayyy better than Rishabh Pant per @ Junaids ??
 
No timing no power owing to poor balance at the crease. And ofcourse poor footwork
 
I understand the point about IU giving him a chance to play a longer innings but is T20 that format? People are supposed to hit the ground running and he just isnt getting the time to settle down at number 3.
 
I like him a lot. But he's looked pretty weak against swing till now. Exposes his front pad way too much by dragging it too forward. I hope he does well going forwards.
 
Azam Khan looks like another PSL player that got selected after a couple of 50’s.

They’ll never learn. The selection policy was pretty inconsistent pre PSL but it looks like it’s getting worse now.

Has Azam scored 2 fifties in PSL? I doubt it.
 
Rohail Nazir dropped for today's game vs Karachi in favour of the debutant Muhammad Akhlaq
 
Averaging 15 with a strike rate of 101 in the KPL.

And some people want this guy as the back up wicket keeper, what a joke !!!

Zeeshan Ashraf should be in the squad over the likes of Azam Khan and Nazir.
 
Averaging 15 with a strike rate of 101 in the KPL.

And some people want this guy as the back up wicket keeper, what a joke !!!

Zeeshan Ashraf should be in the squad over the likes of Azam Khan and Nazir.

Let's play relax a bit. He has a pretty good track record in Tests & List A but obviously, he is extremely young and should spend at least a couple more years in domestic until he is fully ready.

Still an excellent future Wicketkeeper prospect.
 
Done well as keeper in National T20 so far:

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Let's play relax a bit. He has a pretty good track record in Tests & List A but obviously, he is extremely young and should spend at least a couple more years in domestic until he is fully ready.

Still an excellent future Wicketkeeper prospect.

I agree. I feel Rohail is not the complete product yet.

I worry though that he will suffer plenty of nepotism when the likes of Azam Khan & other hacks get preference over him.
 
I agree. I feel Rohail is not the complete product yet.

I worry though that he will suffer plenty of nepotism when the likes of Azam Khan & other hacks get preference over him.

Very true and a genuine worry for Pakistan cricket.
 
Let's play relax a bit. He has a pretty good track record in Tests & List A but obviously, he is extremely young and should spend at least a couple more years in domestic until he is fully ready.

Still an excellent future Wicketkeeper prospect.

Yes, by why are people here making it out as if he’s a finished product and ready to be a back up WK for Pakistan. Zeeshan Ashraf should be first in line, a proper T20 WK specialist.
 
Does he have the strike rate, the fitness, the flair, the charisma, the athleticism which our WC squad backup has?
 
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