[VIDEOS] Unwelcome dilemma? Mohammad Wasim Jr. vs Hassan Ali

[Blistering Barnacle]

Not sure if i have seen much in depth discussion on this selection choice.

I have not watched too much of Wasim but when I did he performed well and picked up wickets.

Hasan Ali is a known quantity and has had success in the past but his speed is quite a bit lower than Wasim. Hasan though has demonstrated more control lately with his lower speed.

I think Wasim with his inexperience and seemingly lower control could get hit for more runs than Hasan Ali. On the other hand, perhaps he can get more wickets? And perhaps he's a better bat and one for the future?

I was impressed with Wasim but then he had a few bad games so i'm not so sure now.

For me, it is a given that Shadab should be out in the next match, but I was thinking he should be replaced by Usama Mir - since I don't think Abrar Ahmed is in the squad (otherwise he would be my choice).

On the other hand, another option would be wasim for Shadab? And have Ifti take over for Shadab? And have agha for Nawaz?

 

[Visaal-E-Yaar]

We all will see on 20th shadab is playing. Mir maybe replace nawaz.
Tired of discussing this topic really nothing is left.

 

[Barragan]

There is no discussion - Hassan Ali is astronomically far superior to wasim jnr!!

The guy has been part of the setup for the past 3 years or so, but what has he actually done?

Nothing!

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Hassan ali is way ahead in any mean as compare to wasim, don't know why management were carrying him with the team even with a sub par performences in bilaterals with B or C grade sides.

 

[Savak]

Should have picked Abrar over Wasim Jr if they had no confidence in the likes of Fakhar Zaman, Wasim Jr etc

 

[Blistering Barnacle]

Wasim is a 140 kph bowler I believe. That's for those saying why pick him? And also he can bat a bit I believe.

PCB supporting a bowler with those attributes and Pak fans are outraged apparently lol.

 

[Savak]

Wasim is a 140 kph bowler I believe. That's for those saying why pick him? And also he can bat a bit I believe.

PCB supporting a bowler with those attributes and Pak fans are outraged apparently lol.

Ramiz was advocating his selection over Hasan Ali. Pakistan will at some point have to rest Shaheen, Hassan Ali or Harris Rauf during this WC

 

[Kianig89]

Both are pathetic not the ones who will give opposition sleepless nights

 

[Farabi]

Both are pathetic not the ones who will give opposition sleepless nights

You don’t always need bowlers who will give opponents “sleepless nights”. India won a WC in India in 2011 with 30 overs from Yuvraj, Munaf and Nehra.
Pakistan should avoid unhealthy obsession with pace and focus on disciplined bowling wicket to wicket. Bowl hard lengths at 7-9 meters and let batters take the risks.

 

[Kianig89]

You don’t always need bowlers who will give opponents “sleepless nights”. India won a WC in India in 2011 with 30 overs from Yuvraj, Munaf and Nehra.
Pakistan should avoid unhealthy obsession with pace and focus on disciplined bowling wicket to wicket. Bowl hard lengths at 7-9 meters and let batters take the risks.

Munaf Nehra followed a plan to support the team unlike our one trick ponies, what plan did Rauf & SSA had

 

[Farabi]

Munaf Nehra followed a plan to support the team unlike our one trick ponies, what plan did Rauf & SSA had

Exactly. The problem is the lack of plan and/or execution of the plan.

 

[Nasty Naz]

There is no discussion - Hassan Ali is astronomically far superior to wasim jnr!!

The guy has been part of the setup for the past 3 years or so, but what has he actually done?

Nothing!

His ODI debut was 1.5 years ago and so far, what he has done is pickup 24 wickets in 16 ODI matches at an 26.70 average as a very young & raw bowler. Only been 4 out of those 16 matches where he hasn't picked up a wicket and one of times were on debut and recently vs SL where he was only given 3 overs. 9 out of 16 matches include Australia & NZ as well.

He's a pretty solid support bowler who can be very good when his line/length is right or can go for plenty of runs when he's wayward. Biggest thing he's lacking at the moment for me is a good deceptive slower ball.

 

[alihasnain861]

Abbas afridi would have been a better all round option in place of these two liabilities.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Mohammad Wasim has been a regular part of the squad since last year or so. He has not real variation but his stats are still good as a bowler then to consider him as an allrounder. He is still better then Fahim. Hassan Ali is in the squad because of naseem shah's injury or else he was struggling to make a comeback.

 

[owenhcricket]

Wasim Jr has good pace and can change up. Not as good as Hasan but both can play in a team when Shaheen is FINALLY dropped. The Aus and Afghan matches back to back are a perfect chance for this. Get Wasm training, back in the side and get him going. It will also give Shaheen a chance to recover if his injury allows it or be sent back to Pak for further procedures.

 

[kron]

Wasim deserves a chance. Play hi.. he takes top order wickets

 

[RyanRyan10]

Hasan Ali took a 4fer against SRL and dismissed Kohli in the next match.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Hasan ali should play the next game. Haris or Shaheen are the real culprits here. We knew how Hassan Ali would be doing after his comeback and it was expected. But haris and Shaheen have been a big disappointment so have Shadab and Nawaz.

 

[hassan918]

Hasan Ali is definitely ahead of Mohammad Wasim Jr. at the moment and it was a good decision to pick Hasan Ali for the World Cup. So far, his performance is not bad. Wasim is a decent choice in T20 cricket but he doesn't seem ready to play ODI or Test cricket at the moment.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

You don’t always need bowlers who will give opponents “sleepless nights”. India won a WC in India in 2011 with 30 overs from Yuvraj, Munaf and Nehra.
Pakistan should avoid unhealthy obsession with pace and focus on disciplined bowling wicket to wicket. Bowl hard lengths at 7-9 meters and let batters take the risks.

Munaf bowled very accurately in that World Cup - a level of accuracy that none of Wasim Jnr, Rauf or Shaheen have. Only Hasan Ali is landing it on a length like he did and Munaf was quite a bit taller and maybe even a bit quicker. Also Yuvraj was a better spinner then than any spinner you have currently.

 

[Farabi]

Munaf bowled very accurately in that World Cup - a level of accuracy that none of Wasim Jnr, Rauf or Shaheen have. Only Hasan Ali is landing it on a length like he did and Munaf was quite a bit taller and maybe even a bit quicker. Also Yuvraj was a better spinner then than any spinner you have currently.

We are mixing up a lot of things.
The only world class bowlers in that Indian team were Harbhajan and Zaheer. The rest were mediocre bowlers but were in form and bowled to good plan. The disciplines were key.
Agreed that Munaf bowled very accurately but he is a nobody of fast bowling outside that World Cup.
Similarly, Yuvraj bowled very well in that World Cup, but outside that World Cup, his record is pretty mediocre.
I guess my point was that Pakistan bowling can do better than they are in India if they stop going for glory deliveries, make better plans, execute them. The unhealthy obsession with pace is not helping.

 

[Savak]

There was no point in picking Wasim Jr in the squad if the management lacked the confidence to put him the playing 11, we should have picked Abrar instead.

 

[Syed1]

There was no point in picking Wasim Jr in the squad if the management lacked the confidence to put him the playing 11, we should have picked Abrar instead.

Sorry Abrar should have first fostered friendship with captain

 

[Nado_]

Isn’t it odd that whilst Wasim was a regular squad member for some time , as soon as Naseem was injured , Hassan Ali who was outside of the squad for some time automatically overrides him and is part of the main 11.

The only logical explanation is that they are still grooming Wasim, otherwise it shows how incompetent our board and selectors are

 

[Bewal Express]

Hasan Ali should not have been in the PK World Cup squad. No one will fear a team with Hasan in it. M Wasim has no control, he showed a bit of promise at the start but he is getting worse not better. Arshad Iqbal is no super star but he is better than both. Ihsanullah had a bad game against NZ but he has the attributes to challenge the best batters, but he was dropped too quickly because we lost some pointless ODI.

 

[pakistani pride]

Hasan Ali has become a trundler. Nothing bowler. W Junior is still raw. Not sure you can throw him in middle of the WC.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

We are mixing up a lot of things.
The only world class bowlers in that Indian team were Harbhajan and Zaheer. The rest were mediocre bowlers but were in form and bowled to good plan. The disciplines were key.
Agreed that Munaf bowled very accurately but he is a nobody of fast bowling outside that World Cup.
Similarly, Yuvraj bowled very well in that World Cup, but outside that World Cup, his record is pretty mediocre.
I guess my point was that Pakistan bowling can do better than they are in India if they stop going for glory deliveries, make better plans, execute them. The unhealthy obsession with pace is not helping.

I think you've got that wrong, brother. Munaf bowled exactly how he had been bowling for a good 4.5 years before that World Cup

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Accurate and decent pace with the new ball and overall pretty impressive numbers in ODIs.

Similarly, Yuvraj had been doing that role for 40-50 matches before the World Cup. He was bowling very economically and picking up the odd wicket

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The point is it will be difficult for bowlers to suddenly execute a different plan during a World Cup when you've been doing something different leading up to it .


Shaheen and Rauf dont bang out a length often because they have mostly been attacking for wickets and either bowl full or attack with short balls. And that's what they did leading up to the Cup. Naseem was the length bowler who kept batsmen honest.

Shadab has been bowling defensively to block runs for years and now suddenly you can't expect him to become an attacking spinner who entices false shots from batsmen trying to take him on when he pitches fuller.

It's difficult to make a sudden switch like that.

 

[Farabi]

I think you've got that wrong, brother. Munaf bowled exactly how he had been bowling for a good 4.5 years before that World Cup

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Accurate and decent pace with the new ball and overall pretty impressive numbers in ODIs.

Similarly, Yuvraj had been doing that role for 40-50 matches before the World Cup. He was bowling very economically and picking up the odd wicket

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The point is it will be difficult for bowlers to suddenly execute a different plan during a World Cup when you've been doing something different leading up to it .


Shaheen and Rauf dont bang out a length often because they have mostly been attacking for wickets and either bowl full or attack with short balls. And that's what they did leading up to the Cup. Naseem was the length bowler who kept batsmen honest.

Shadab has been bowling defensively to block runs for years and now suddenly you can't expect him to become an attacking spinner who entices false shots from batsmen trying to take him on when he pitches fuller.

It's difficult to make a sudden switch like that.

Common bro. Munaf Patel and Yuvraj were bang average.

I think some people are overreacting to recent form. This Pakistani bowling unit itself went into the WC with mid 20 averages as well (Rauf, Junior, Shaheen).
Also Shaheen can be very accurate. Did you see his recent performances in test cricket, specially in SL?

I think you've got that wrong, brother. Munaf bowled exactly how he had been bowling for a good 4.5 years before that World Cup

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Accurate and decent pace with the new ball and overall pretty impressive numbers in ODIs.

Similarly, Yuvraj had been doing that role for 40-50 matches before the World Cup. He was bowling very economically and picking up the odd wicket

Bowling records | One-Day Internationals | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

stats.espncricinfo.com

The point is it will be difficult for bowlers to suddenly execute a different plan during a World Cup when you've been doing something different leading up to it .


Shaheen and Rauf dont bang out a length often because they have mostly been attacking for wickets and either bowl full or attack with short balls. And that's what they did leading up to the Cup. Naseem was the length bowler who kept batsmen honest.

Shadab has been bowling defensively to block runs for years and now suddenly you can't expect him to become an attacking spinner who entices false shots from batsmen trying to take him on when he pitches fuller.

It's difficult to make a sudden switch like that.

Seems like an overreaction on few games. You can’t bucket Rauf and Shaheen in the same category. Totally different bowlers.
Normally Shaheen can bowl disciplined line and length. Have you seen his recent performances in test cricket?
As for Junior, he was also bowling wicket to wicket. He was dropped for Naseem not because of his own performance but because Naseem was just better. Both Junior and Shaheen seem to be lacking in Form/fitness/rhythm.
Rauf also can be pretty accurate but consistency is an issue with him.

The stats coming into the WC mean nothing, specially when each one of the Pakistani fast bowlers above were averaging in mid 20s coming into the WC and seem to have lost their radar.

Yuvraj career bowling average is 38, Munfaf’s is 30 with ER of 5. By no means world beaters and great examples of disciplined bowling per the plans. No batter were “losing their sleep” over Munaf, Nehra, and Yuvraj, but they turned up.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Hassan Alis is looking toothless, why dont we give an opportunity to Mohammad Wasim against Afghanistan.

Atleast he can bat down the order and good in field as well.

 

[nish_mate]

Miggy Saab- Mickey's milking whilst literally taking the mickey out of PCB and Pakistan cricket...

 

[mominsaigol]

Please keep mediocrity out

Shoaib Malik and Hafeez are the most mediocre cricketers to have played 15 plus years

If they were in SENA or India, both wouldn't even be considered for domestic cricket

Plus Malik's character and morals are questionable. But pakra nahi gaya like Wasim Akram toh now we are forced to respect him

Malik is a bad choice as head coach.

How is hafeez a bad choice as Director? First of hafeez is light years ahead of shadab, Nawaz, Chacha and many of these pseudo allrounders playing. The guy has played gun innings through his career. Champions trophy 2017, his innings of murdering South Africa in a t20 game and Sri Lanka. His 2nd longest partnership for opening by Pakistan against India in Asia cup, but sadly that innings is overshadowed by kohli and Sachin masterclass.

He was only poor in opening. The guy was a gun no 4. Also this is about the director not, the cricketer.

Hafeez was the one who recommended babar to take abrar and thay a specialist spinner was needed as well as him telling babar to take imad a proper allrounder over nawaz, But Babar was like No, my friends my team amd look whats happening lol.

He'd be a good director cause hafeez played for the team lol, the rumors that he was stubborn on opening or batting at 3 are all false. Misbah forced him to lol, as soon as sarfraz came he was happy batting at no 4 or no 5 lol. And his bowling is leaps and bounds ahead of shadab or nawaz XD.

 

[Ahmad-GERMANFC]

I’m genuinely baffled.
Why was Hasan Ali not in initial 15?

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Because fr

I’m genuinely baffled.
Why was Hasan Ali not in initial 15?

Because friendship quota all ready reached to maximum.

 

[Firebat]

Wasim Jr finally gets his chance thanks to the illness of Hassan Ali, but it looks like he'll only get this one game to impress.

Not looking forward to him against QdK, Markram, Klaasen, Miller etc...

 

[gazza619]

Manjarekar on commentary. Wasim is just the x-factor Pakistan needed

 

[BouncerGuy]

Manjarekar on commentary. Wasim is just the x-factor Pakistan needed

He can be. Much need change but instead of hassan it should have been haris but thanks to hassan's injury, Haris is releived.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Mohammad Wasim jr. comeback is not the one to remember in terms of batting.

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[Kianig89]

He is an allrounder of his kind yes a fake allrounder

 

[ahmadharis1]

Crazy how a handful of solid PSL games can win you a world cup spot and selection in all formats... this team is a joke

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

He's just a fast inswing bowler from what I can remember. Might be useful at the death, he is pretty rapid, but don't think he'll be much use with the new ball.

 

[Asad T]

Wasim Jr is not letting the crunch situation get the better of him (so far). He got the wicket of the South African captain in his first over and has kept his line and length consistent.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Shouldn't Rauf have made way ?. Bizarre decision

 

[hassan918]

Mohammad Wasim gets the wicket of dangerous looking Bavuma.

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[FearlessRoar]

Klaasen gone. Courtesy Wasim Jr.

 

[Saj]

He's bowled with fire, pace and given everything every ball today.

Unlucky not to have had more wickets.

Very impressive performance from the young man.

 

[imran1976]

Wasim was always better than Hassan Ali -- only team management can answer why Hassan Ali was preferred over him.

 

[Asad T]

"This performance should have Wasim Jr in the team for at least the next 21 games." Sanjay Manjrekar

 

[ArabKnight]

Wasim bowled nice against SA. He was bowling at 145 clicks. 2-50 was his figures. I’d pick him over Hasan Ali.

Wasim needs the new ball, not Iftikhar (lol).

 

[Kianig89]

Its useless crying over split milk

 

[Sunzi]

Whilst Wasim Jr. might not be the answer, I can tell you with conviction that he is absolutely a better option than Hassan. Hassan is washed - he's lost his pace and discipline, and there's no skill in his variations. He looks like a trundler.

Wasim is supposedly 8 years his junior (22) why not invest in him and develop him - give him games. Dont keep him around the squad and then bring him in at 28, Saud Shakeel style, then say - 'here you go, here's a young Pakistani bowler'. He's young now. Prime him.

If he isn't the best or a prospect, he's still absolutely better than Hassan. Hassan taking wickets on the boundary are 6s that didn't make it basically...

 

[shah_1]

Hasan Ali is a finished cricketer only got selected because of Babar otherwise he doesn't belong to international cricket stage at all.

Wasim Jr is not a perfect product, far from it but he is million times better than Hasan Ali

 

[Asad T]

Wasim Akram on Wasim Jr: "It was good to see Wasim making an impact in this game. He's got the talent, we all know but he didn't get consistent chances. Today he was very good. His pace was up, bowled consistently over 140. He got some swing and troubled the South African batters."

If Hasan Ali is fit for the Bangladesh game, who would you rather see play?

 

[Professionalismandflair]

There is no discussion - Hassan Ali is astronomically far superior to wasim jnr!!

The guy has been part of the setup for the past 3 years or so, but what has he actually done?

Nothing!

Choose Wasim jr. Neither can hold a bat.

 

[Professionalismandflair]

Neither of them place any value on their wicket when they bat. And seem to find it funny.

 

[Lampard]

Both should play. Haris Rauf should be the one dropped based on recent form.

 

[sweep_shot]

I think both should play in India.

Rauf is not very effective on Indian pitches. So, drop Rauf and play both Waseem and Hasan.

 

[Mamoon]

Hassan Ali is an expired player. His best is behind him.

Wasim is nothing special and never will be but he has better presence, can put in a shift with the ball and he is a good fielder by our standards.

 

[batandballbattle]

The guy has made good progress in a short space of time
As recently as the Asia cup he looked bang average, but he has clearly worked on his mistakes in his time out and came up with a great performance against SA
Hasan Ali shouldn't see another game in this tournament, we're not making the final 4 but let's hope he can stay fit now and salvage some pride for us

 

[MenInG]

As per PCB, Hassan should be back in training from tomorrow.

 

[PakHammer]

Play Hassan & Wasim. Usama & Ifti as the spin options. We don't need Shadab & Nawaz.

 

[Saj]

If Wasim jr is fit, there is no way he should be left out against Bangladesh.

In fact I would play the lad in all 3 remaining matches at this World Cup.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Wasim has bowled beautifully again today against Bangladesh. Bowling under the economy of 4 and took 2 wickets as well. Certainly, hassan ali is not missed here.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Play Hassan & Wasim. Usama & Ifti as the spin options. We don't need Shadab & Nawaz.

Mir a liability too, especially against England but otherwise agree

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

People are going to get carried away again because he got some reverse swing once the ball got over 40 overs old, but he's really only got one delivery, the inswinger at pace. Not much use with the new ball, similar to Rauf, but at least he can control his length a bit better.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Some reverse swing from Wasim Jr.

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[BouncerGuy]

145kph yorker from Wasim Jr. Excellent spell again from this young lad.

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[shah_1]

People are going to get carried away again because he got some reverse swing once the ball got over 40 overs old, but he's really only got one delivery, the inswinger at pace. Not much use with the new ball, similar to Rauf, but at least he can control his length a bit better.

At least he has got something unlike that 5' 6" midget bowling 130 kph tunderbolts

 

[160KPH]

Amazing death bowler. Once Naseem Shah returns, we will probably be forced to choose between Mohammad Wasim Jr. or Rauf in the lineup - they both are death bowlers who don’t have the requisite new ball skills to be effective. The only way that can be avoided is if Mohammad Wasim Jr. continues to improve his batting and plays as a fast bowling all rounder.

 

[160KPH]

People are going to get carried away again because he got some reverse swing once the ball got over 40 overs old, but he's really only got one delivery, the inswinger at pace. Not much use with the new ball, similar to Rauf, but at least he can control his length a bit better.

No need to get carried away but he’s been impressive at the death his whole career. He just doesn’t have new ball skills.

 

[viking2559]

He is much better than Hasan. He is never gonna be a new ball bowler but he can bowl well in the middle overs and in death overs.

With old ball he can easily bowl between 140-145 ks.

 

[The_KING]

He should only bowl between overs 20-50.

 

[Saj]

Bowled well especially at the end.

Reversed the ball and looked in good rhythm and bowled at a decent pace.

Impressive so far the World Cup.

 

[Kianig89]

A rarity he has improved himself definitely since his early days

 

[Kianig89]

Some reverse swing from Wasim Jr.

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Ah the memories of old, Pakistan fast bowlers hitting the timber,

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

No need to get carried away but he’s been impressive at the death his whole career. He just doesn’t have new ball skills.

Which is fine but that means we are relying on Shaheen getting something with the new ball and a plethora of useless spinners until the 40th over. We need another pace bowler who can move it off the seam, but Pakistan produces very few.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Which is fine but that means we are relying on Shaheen getting something with the new ball and a plethora of useless spinners until the 40th over. We need another pace bowler who can move it off the seam, but Pakistan produces very few.

Naseem Shah will be back hopefully but yeah overall the cupboard is quite bare.

 

[Ali T]

Hard to drop Hasan Ali though - he has bowled pretty well in the tournament.
Dare I say, I would toy with the idea of replacing Hasan Ali with Haris Rauf for the next match.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Hard to drop Hasan Ali though - he has bowled pretty well in the tournament.
Dare I say, I would toy with the idea of replacing Hasan Ali with Haris Rauf for the next match.

That's how I'd go as well. Hasan at least offers the hope of getting a wicket with the new ball, and Wasim is a better version of Rauf.

 

[moghul]

Hard to drop Hasan Ali though - he has bowled pretty well in the tournament.
Dare I say, I would toy with the idea of replacing Hasan Ali with Haris Rauf for the next match.

Your definition of " pretty well " surprised me , Hasan has been pathetic through out the WC and never was even close to bowling "pretty well ". Glad he is there where he belongs, out of the playing 11.

 

[Ali T]

Your definition of " pretty well " surprised me , Hasan has been pathetic through out the WC and never was even close to bowling "pretty well ". Glad he is there where he belongs, out of the playing 11.

Hmmm.
To me with the new ball, he has seemed to look a bit more threatening vs Shaheen Shah Afridi
Didn't manage to catch the beginning of the game today but it seems SSA bowled well with the new ball.