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He has not looked like his imposing self since England series last year. He struggled in Australia tour, struggled in New Zealand. He has not scored an ODI hundred since January. Yes he batted well in the second T-20 but I don't care much about T-20s other than World T-20.
 
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He's out of form at the perfect time :))

If he doesn't find form for the WC, I wouldn't be surprised to see India miss out of the KO stage especially if they forfeit the match against Pakistan.
 
Aman said:
He's out of form at the perfect time :))

If he doesn't find form for the WC, I wouldn't be surprised to see India miss out of the KO stage especially if they forfeit the match against Pakistan.
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We would still be good enough for New Zealand.
 
Rahul1 said:
We would still be good enough for New Zealand.
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India are going to become a meme if they lose and miss out on the KO stage when they were overwhelming favorites to make the Semis, if not win the whole tournament.
 
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WCs are about form and peaking at the right time.

India appears to be faltering and are running out of steam a few months out from the WC.

Aus on the other hand always lift for the WC and will be contenders with Smith and Warner back to strengthen the batting.
 
He got 44 today considering aussies score it's not bad. He is still getting runs just not centuries I wouldn't call it decline.
 
Kashmirilion said:
He got 44 today considering aussies score it's not bad. He is still getting runs just not centuries I wouldn't call it decline.
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That's my point. He is scoring runs but not in the dominant way he used to.
 
At this point his greatness is undeniable, would be a bad look on his career if he once again fails in a World Cup
 
Aman said:
India are going to become a meme if they lose and miss out on the KO stage when they were overwhelming favorites to make the Semis, if not win the whole tournament.
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You are the most sensible Indian I have seen. We will get along well :)
 
I think 44(45) is a decent innings but yea he doesn't seem to be at his peak anymore.
 
4 more games and IPL to go to find his form. NOt out of form. He is taking lot of break these days. So no rhythm to his game. He will be back on his feet.
 
He is not in form, but not out of form either. Hasn't scored below 40 in last 6 innings. That's world class for 80% of batsmen in ODIs
 
He is just taking it easy right now, spending time with his wife etc etc. He will be charged up for WC.
 
It's like he isn't scoring hat-tricks, he just scored one goal so he is out of form. Silly OP...
 
Yes.

His fluke purple patch is over. I would call for his retirement if WC wasn't this near.
 
So he starts scoring a little less than he usually does and that's a decline? It's simply being out of form and form is temporary but class is permanent. Let him perform like this for more series and then decide; even scoring these 40 odd runs he can walk into any team in the world.
 
Lol no way.

He was timing his shots perfectly.

Just lack of time in the middle is the problem of him not scoring big.
 
When Ricky Ponting was at his peak and scoring runs, centuries every game at no 3, everyone felt he would continue like this till the end of his career but the last 4-5 years saw him average around 39 which was a huge dip in form and standards.
 
Savak said:
When Ricky Ponting was at his peak and scoring runs, centuries every game at no 3, everyone felt he would continue like this till the end of his career but the last 4-5 years saw him average around 39 which was a huge dip in form and standards.
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I remember something Ponting said when he was at his peak, which was something like, "consistency happens by reiterating what worked for you in the past". I thought there was no way Ponting could stop scoring runs. Kohli reminds me a lot of Ponting that way.
 
He averages 134 in ODIs last year with a strike rate of 103 and 6 hundreds (3 fifties) from 14 innings.

His scores this year are 3, 104, 46, 45, 43, 60, 44.

A little subdued by his standards but how is that a decline?
 
Aman said:
WCs are about form and peaking at the right time.

India appears to be faltering and are running out of steam a few months out from the WC.

Aus on the other hand always lift for the WC and will be contenders with Smith and Warner back to strengthen the batting.
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I really don't know what you're talking about. India literally just won two away series against NZ and Australia, and will probably win at home against Australia.
 
lol what a lame thread.

his decline will start when he starts getting a string of low scores.

sometimes indian fans are just too over the top.
 
Maybe he could use a break, some time out of cricket before the tournament. With that being said I don't think he's out of form.
 
TNAmarkFromIndia said:
I remember something Ponting said when he was at his peak, which was something like, "consistency happens by reiterating what worked for you in the past". I thought there was no way Ponting could stop scoring runs. Kohli reminds me a lot of Ponting that way.
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I think Kohli scores higher in some ways for Ponting given that Ponting benefited massively from playing in a team full of ATG's, the team was never single handedly dependant on him for scoring runs. Once the ATG's left the Australian team from 2007 onwards, Ponting's form dipped massively because he could not carry the burden of being the main batsman in the team very well.
 
Savak said:
I think Kohli scores higher in some ways for Ponting given that Ponting benefited massively from playing in a team full of ATG's, the team was never single handedly dependant on him for scoring runs. Once the ATG's left the Australian team from 2007 onwards, Ponting's form dipped massively because he could not carry the burden of being the main batsman in the team very well.
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Ponting was 33-34 in 2007, he was not in retirement age but he was not at his peak either. In his prime, he had lightning reflexes and was able to murder 150 kph short-pitched stuff. Once that aspect of his game was effected due to ageing reflexes, he was no longer the dominant batsman that he once was.

Kohli is more of a technician than Ponting and a superior all-round batsman. He will be very good till his late 30's like Tendulkar. This thread is very premature - people need to wait for 4-5 years before they start talking about his decline. He turned 30 only a few months ago. These are his peak years.
 
such is his quality and standard that a decent performance makes it seem like he is out of form.
 
He averaged 40+ in Australia and got a ton in the ODIs there. Got a good 40 here too. That's not out of form.
 
He is done. Should retire for any hope of India in WC 19.
 
Aman said:
He's out of form at the perfect time :))

If he doesn't find form for the WC, I wouldn't be surprised to see India miss out of the KO stage especially if they forfeit the match against Pakistan.
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There's no if here.

With the things that are going on and may happen in the next few days, this match is a foregone fortfeit.
 
Sachin136 said:
He averages 134 in ODIs last year with a strike rate of 103 and 6 hundreds (3 fifties) from 14 innings.

His scores this year are 3, 104, 46, 45, 43, 60, 44.

A little subdued by his standards but how is that a decline?
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Seems like he's still in his prime, but now has begun the slow descent from his peak form, which was probably at its best sometime last year. Think that's a fair assessment.
 
Haroon786 said:
Seems like he's still in his prime, but now has begun the slow descent from his peak form, which was probably at its best sometime last year. Think that's a fair assessment.
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It means his peak is over, but he is still in form.
 
People are expecting him to score a hundred every game. What one needs to realize is India has been winning without their top 3 firing. The much maligned Dhoni and Indian middle order is stepping up. These are good signs for India.

I don't think this is start of his decline. But I think he has a chink in his armor. It's leg spin bowling. He got out to Adil Rashid a few times and now to Zampa.
 
Joseph Gomes said:
It means his peak is over, but he is still in form.
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Yes, you can state it in that manner too, though because 2019 has only just begun, there's plenty of time for Kohli to make this a "Peak" year but that remains to be seen especially with the WC coming very soon.
 
The best of Kohli is still to come. He is just having a lean period. Even I have that sometimes:uakmal
 
a_tahir said:
They played when the Kargil war was going on. The war hasn't even started.
So they WILL play.
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Are you trying to say that India will now backtrack all that was said? I'm sure that if the choice is between qom ki izzat or two points, it's a very easy choice.
 
Mamoon said:
Ponting was 33-34 in 2007, he was not in retirement age but he was not at his peak either. In his prime, he had lightning reflexes and was able to murder 150 kph short-pitched stuff. Once that aspect of his game was effected due to ageing reflexes, he was no longer the dominant batsman that he once was.

Kohli is more of a technician than Ponting and a superior all-round batsman. He will be very good till his late 30's like Tendulkar. This thread is very premature - people need to wait for 4-5 years before they start talking about his decline. He turned 30 only a few months ago. These are his peak years.
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But you have to take into account the volume of cricket Kohli is playing, I was watching a recent interview of his where he mentioned that he is now having problems coping with the demands of playing all format, all year around inspite of his super fitness regime. These factors can make people age much faster than usual
 
The top three not scoring all the runs has given the middle order a chance. For India to do well they need a strong middle order and Jadhav is performing.
 
Declining? He’s 30 years old currently. In the modern game I’d say he is in the peak phases of his career.

Wait till the World cup, he will be one of the stand out players.
 
Top 3 are not scoring bulk runs which is good and what all of us wanted till a series back ... Relax he is not out of form

Good to see dhoni n kedar step up
 
Aman said:
India are going to become a meme if they lose and miss out on the KO stage when they were overwhelming favorites to make the Semis, if not win the whole tournament.
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it'll be England, not India...
 
Gullycricket said:
Yep its now Babar's time.
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If Babar had scored 104, 46, 45 ,43, 60, 44 in his last 6 odi innings that too in Australia and New Zealand, he'd have been labelled as some world beater here on PP. And here Kohli is getting criticized for getting those scores .
Speaks a lot of the gulf in class and quality.
 
JattMaula said:
Yes.

His fluke purple patch is over. I would call for his retirement if WC wasn't this near.
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Just give him to us so we can end Shezzy's career once and for all!

On the other hand, dude, his workload has been all wonky for the past 5 months. He's missed twelve matches in the last 5-6 months I think. He has been trying to manage his workload and therefore has sacrificed a lot of Int. matches over the course of the past few months but is planning on playing all IPL and at the same time telling Ind team to not get "bad habits" (pointless point, imo). His lack of proper ODI game time has been troubling him and this is something Ind management has greatly overlooked with WC coming, but on the whole he's fine, and even if it was a fluke purple patch, was a damn long one...
 
Aman said:
India are going to become a meme if they lose and miss out on the KO stage when they were overwhelming favorites to make the Semis, if not win the whole tournament.
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Still hurt by the 4-1 drubbing in NZ? It's ok. The Bangla warriors must have given you confidence by now.
 
India has been peaking early. They will collapse in the world cup.
Virat Kohli isn't peaking in Jamodis. It's the beginning of his decline.

PP logic:)
 
He was never a class player, just had a golden run for some 10 years and it may just continue for another 6-7 years. After that you might see how bad he actually is. Overrated.
 
rhony said:
Still hurt by the 4-1 drubbing in NZ? It's ok. The Bangla warriors must have given you confidence by now.
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What are you talking about?

Guptill was out of form.

Kane was bored

Munro was having headache.

CDG was protesting against global warming
 
I think carrying the Indian batting line up in South Africa and England has taken a huge toll on him.
 
The World Cup will tell us more. As of now, he's the best batsman in the world, alongside Kane.

Also, no player declines around 30 years of age. They can go through lean periods, sure, but the decline associated with aging generally happens when a player hits his mid-30s.
 
Most players wish they can score runs Kohli puts up in his "decline".

44 India v Australia Hyderabad (Deccan) 2 Mar 2019 ODI # 4102
72* India v Australia Bengaluru 27 Feb 2019 T20I # 749
24 India v Australia Visakhapatnam 24 Feb 2019 T20I # 748
60 India v New Zealand Mount Maunganui 28 Jan 2019 ODI # 4088
43 India v New Zealand Mount Maunganui 26 Jan 2019 ODI # 4085
45 India v New Zealand Napier 23 Jan 2019 ODI # 4082
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104
 
I did notice that the got slightly more chubbier. In his face cheeks area and lower waist area you could see he's been enjoying some nice meals lately.
 
Do you mean that he's now going to Nagpur after Hyderabad which is at a lower elevation, then yes his decline has started.
 
I am quite okay with his rough patch being scores of 40s, 70s in which he's charging and pulling Cummins for 4s and 6s.
 
I'd lack this lean patch to continue.

40th ODI hundred. :14:
 
Kohli's decline continues :11: Another poor match lol. scoring only a 100 while pushing his career average above 60
 
Theres a reason why a world class batsman like babar azam would say that he idolises Kohli :vk:salute
 
Kohli is the greatest batsman of his generation and will end up as the greatest ODI batsman of all time. Bigger match winner than The record chasing Sachin ever was!
 
as-95 said:
Kohli is the greatest batsman of his generation and will end up as the greatest ODI batsman of all time. Bigger match winner than The record chasing Sachin ever was!
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Tendulkar > Kohli
 
Kohli in his “decline” is still better than all of our batsmen in peak form.
 
I believe there are certain segments of the Indian fanbase that are so invested in Sachin's career that they simply can't accept the possibility that there may ever be a better batsman than him especially so quickly after his retirement, even though they are blessed beyond belief that the heir to his throne still plays for India.

They latch onto every shortcoming, nit-pick minute details and hold Kohli to an even higher standard than their idol because after all "Kohli is blessed with a great support-cast, while Sachin played with Chunnu, Munnu, Pappu and Rasheed." Therefore, Kohli is expected to score a century every time he comes out to bat, and if he does and India lose the game, then the pitchforks will be out for Kohli's captaincy even though statistically everyone knows he will end up as one of the top 3 captains in Indian cricket history once he hangs up his boots, while Sachin as captain..well, less said about that, the better.

It's almost like rival fans value and respect Kohli more, similarly with Dhoni, because we've all experienced first-hand the pain that these two have inflicted on us over the years. They have been so impeccable that the pain has now turned into a begrudging respect and for some pure fandom.

I stayed well clear of this thread but it was great to see level-heads prevailing. If anybody is still doubting whether he's in a decline or not, check this :

Today marked Kohli's 10th century in 25 innings. Let that sink in.
 
Anchorman said:
I believe there are certain segments of the Indian fanbase that are so invested in Sachin's career that they simply can't accept the possibility that there may ever be a better batsman than him especially so quickly after his retirement, even though they are blessed beyond belief that the heir to his throne still plays for India.

They latch onto every shortcoming, nit-pick minute details and hold Kohli to an even higher standard than their idol because after all "Kohli is blessed with a great support-cast, while Sachin played with Chunnu, Munnu, Pappu and Rasheed." Therefore, Kohli is expected to score a century every time he comes out to bat, and if he does and India lose the game, then the pitchforks will be out for Kohli's captaincy even though statistically everyone knows he will end up as one of the top 3 captains in Indian cricket history once he hangs up his boots, while Sachin as captain..well, less said about that, the better.

It's almost like rival fans value and respect Kohli more, similarly with Dhoni, because we've all experienced first-hand the pain that these two have inflicted on us over the years. They have been so impeccable that the pain has now turned into a begrudging respect and for some pure fandom.

I stayed well clear of this thread but it was great to see level-heads prevailing. If anybody is still doubting whether he's in a decline or not, check this :

Today marked Kohli's 10th century in 25 innings. Let that sink in.
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To add to this rant, people want to see some change at the top so bad that they big up performances of Root and Williamson. Recently, there was an influx of posts which suggested that Root is closing the gap on Kohli - the ODI batsman.

Root has 14 hundreds in his entire ODI career. Williamson has 11. Kohli has 10 in his last 25 innings.

The argument that Kohli plays on flatter decks also doesn't apply here as Root plays on the FLATTEST decks in the world while Williamson plays most of his cricket in bite-sized grounds.

Imagine thinking anyone is closing the gap in ODIs..
 
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