[VIDEOS] What does Faheem Ashraf need to do to be considered a good Test all-rounder?

[Rellu_Katta]

Rana Sahab has been doing well with bat in tests

What does he need to do to be considered a proper test all-rounder?

He did well in his first tests in NZ

If he scores 50+ here, can we consider him atleast some1 to invest in for Pak test team?

NO way am comparing him to Stokes, Wokes, Holder, Sakib, Pandya... just discussion on what will get Faheem in tht lineup

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Who is it that does not consider him a proper test all-rounder? Because I can't recall anyone saying that.

Faheem proved quite definitively in New Zealand that he is a proper test all-rounder. That's why he is playing this match.

 

[Rellu_Katta]

Who is it that does not consider him a proper test all-rounder? Because I can't recall anyone saying that.

Faheem proved quite definitively in New Zealand that he is a proper test all-rounder. That's why he is playing this match.

lol just wait and u will find a few many

I think he always had the potential with the bat.. but he didint do justice to it
but he has improved seriously in last 6 months or so

Heard Aamir Yamin is being considered for the T20s.. he is one to def look out for too ....

 

[wrongun]

Wickets.

He seems to do enough with the bat, often enough. Looks like he can average 35 in tests (maybe better, but not getting carried away with a short run of form).

But he'll need to keep that bowling average around 30/32 to be regarded as a good allrounder. I'm reasonably confident he can bat but I haven't seen as much of him with the ball.

 

[silentkiller187]

He is not a bad option in tests, maybe less destructive in limited overs so im sure we can find better options however one of the positives if you can say that from the NZ tour was his control as the 5th bowler, if he can convert this into wickets and chip in with the bat now and again he will be exactly what pak needs.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

lol just wait and u will find a few many

I think he always had the potential with the bat.. but he didint do justice to it
but he has improved seriously in last 6 months or so

Heard Aamir Yamin is being considered for the T20s.. he is one to def look out for too ....

Its a foolish thing to say because he has been a very good all-rounder in QeA Trophy for a couple of seasons now. He very much earned a spot in the side because of both his batting and bowling exploits. And now he has proven himself as an all-rounder on the test level too.

I've never been sold on Aamir Yameen or Amad Butt and still am not. I would prefer Faheem over both.

 

[Rellu_Katta]

Wickets.

He seems to do enough with the bat, often enough. Looks like he can average 35 in tests (maybe better, but not getting carried away with a short run of form).

But he'll need to keep that bowling average around 30/32 to be regarded as a good allrounder. I'm reasonably confident he can bat but I haven't seen as much of him with the ball.

i think it was other way around.. atleast in LOI... but u r right.. needs to chipin with wickets and put one big spell soon

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Wickets.

He seems to do enough with the bat, often enough. Looks like he can average 35 in tests (maybe better, but not getting carried away with a short run of form).

But he'll need to keep that bowling average around 30/32 to be regarded as a good allrounder. I'm reasonably confident he can bat but I haven't seen as much of him with the ball.

He's as good with the ball as most other alternatives at the moment. He's not great, but in favourable conditions he can get seam movement and hit the deck pretty hard. Obviously it's his batting which is his main asset, but until Pakistan can produce some genuine quality seam bowlers, he will probably be preferred because of his ability to score runs.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Wickets.

He seems to do enough with the bat, often enough. Looks like he can average 35 in tests (maybe better, but not getting carried away with a short run of form).

But he'll need to keep that bowling average around 30/32 to be regarded as a good allrounder. I'm reasonably confident he can bat but I haven't seen as much of him with the ball.

He's as good with the ball as most other alternatives at the moment. He's not great, but in favourable conditions he can get seam movement and hit the deck pretty hard. Obviously it's his batting which is his main asset, but until Pakistan can produce some genuine quality seam bowlers, he will probably be preferred because of his ability to score runs.

 

[burger_uno]

what is with south africa and pak fast bowling all rounders?

azhar mehmood announced himself with a century on debut in pak against a very good south african pace line-up. he then outdid himself by getting a hundred in s.a. as well. also recall other innings of substance against good pace bowling attacks. unfortunately AM had problems against high quality spin so did not fulfil his potential with the bat which was a shame given he was such a good player of pace.

as bowler, he started with better tools compared to faheem. and over the next few years, azhar improved substantially as a bowler by adding pace and reverse swing. injury however cut him down. good template for faheem to follow. he has improved as a batsman but bowling is clearly remains wip.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

what is with south africa and pak fast bowling all rounders?

azhar mehmood announced himself with a century on debut in pak against a very good south african pace line-up. he then outdid himself by getting a hundred in s.a. as well. also recall other innings of substance against good pace bowling attacks. unfortunately AM had problems against high quality spin so did not fulfil his potential with the bat which was a shame given he was such a good player of pace.

as bowler, he started with better tools compared to faheem. and over the next few years, azhar improved substantially as a bowler by adding pace and reverse swing. injury however cut him down. good template for faheem to follow. he has improved as a batsman but bowling is clearly remains wip.

Razzaq and South Africa too, what a love story.

 

[Kaddy]

He played some super stylish shots today especially one legside flick reminded me Saeed Anwar.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Faheem needs to become a better bowler. Already a handy batsman but would be nice to see him consistently take 1-2 wickets an innings and 3-4 on a good day.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

He has always had batting talent. Most veteran posters here never realized that he failed in LOI because he was used as a hitter, a role which he isnt suited to.

He is a talented strokemaker, and a natursl timer with shots all around the wicket.
He is one of the very few Pakistani batsmen who thrive against fast bowling.

Therefore, it is no surprise that tests have allowed him to express himself the best.

With the ball, he needs to improve his attitude and should look for wickets.
He is very consistent and can seam the ball both ways which is a good enough skill.
It all comes down to self belief and how high he rates himself now. I dont like the fact that he has cut down on his pace, so an attitude adjustment is definitely needed there.

We have begun to see that belief in his batting, now he needs to do the same with his bowling.

 

[Mir jibran]

Faheem needs to become a better bowler. Already a handy batsman but would be nice to see him consistently take 1-2 wickets an innings and 3-4 on a good day.

Yousuf bhai ne koi sahi tonic pilayi hai faheem ko

 

[Pakhs]

He used to be considered a bowling allrounder and now people are talking about his batting more we will see over time how he develops for now he deserves his place in the team.

 

[coy0607]

He needs to start making an impact with the ball to be considered a genuine all-rounder.

With the bat, he's becoming one of Pakistan's most reliable Test batsmen

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Faheem needs to become a better bowler. Already a handy batsman but would be nice to see him consistently take 1-2 wickets an innings and 3-4 on a good day.

You could say the same about most of the specialist pace bowlers though, Shaheen apart.

 

[nextover666666]

Faheem ashraf will be fine for pakistan in test he just needs to keep playing and get consistent performence

 

[Thunderbolt14]

You could say the same about most of the specialist pace bowlers though, Shaheen apart.

All the specialist bowlers pick up 1-2 wickets on a bad day too. Naseem, Abbas both picked up an average of 1-2 wickets in the NZ tour per innings but obviously not in time.

Right now Faheem averages 0-1 wickets per innings, and acts as more of a part timer who offers control I guess. I want him to become a more consistent contributor and give us 1 wicket every 2 spells.

 

[Abdullah]

Faheem ashraf will be fine for pakistan in test he just needs to keep playing and get consistent performence

This - just needs the backing. Overseas tests he should bat at 8 (which works cos shadab can bat at 7) and bat at 7 in home tests.

In terms of bowling it is to keep things ultra tight with the odd wicket

 

[Babar_Azam_fan]

I’m SENA

#07 Shadab Khan/ Agha Salman
#08 Faheem Ashraf
#09, 10 and 11, 3 seamers

He’ll be fine as a fourth seamer


In spinning conditions, he’ll be playing as a third seamer. That’s where the problem would be. He NEEDS to improve his bowling(along with his batting). For that, the first thing he is he needs to improve his pace a bit

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

All the specialist bowlers pick up 1-2 wickets on a bad day too. Naseem, Abbas both picked up an average of 1-2 wickets in the NZ tour per innings but obviously not in time.

Right now Faheem averages 0-1 wickets per innings, and acts as more of a part timer who offers control I guess. I want him to become a more consistent contributor and give us 1 wicket every 2 spells.

How many did Faheem pick up in NZ as compared to Naseem and Abbas? I seem to recall they all had fairly similar performances.

 

[Hyperion66]

So Faheem low key worked hard in the background and came back as a much much improved player. A rare commodity in Pak cricket. A very decent lower order bat and a okay 4th seamer who can be handful in swinging conditions, what more do you want?

 

[Thunderbolt14]

So Faheem low key worked hard in the background and came back as a much much improved player. A rare commodity in Pak cricket. A very decent lower order bat and a okay 4th seamer who can be handful in swinging conditions, what more do you want?

If he can improve and become good enough to be 3rd seamer, it would help the balance of our team massively. For example right now in Karachi, he’s playing as a specialist bat almost, only bowled 5 overs I think.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

How many did Faheem pick up in NZ as compared to Naseem and Abbas? I seem to recall they all had fairly similar performances.

Abbas and Naseem were a little more threatening, but point being they weren’t hallmarks of what a specialist bowler should be. I think Faheem got one wicket per innings on average there, which is good but also was done in helpful conditions — would like to see him take 2 top 5 wickets the next time he has a good day.

 

[ChTab]

He has improved his batting alot, just need to improve little bit of his bowling either way he should play all the test matches home & away from now.

 

[Omer2002]

Its a foolish thing to say because he has been a very good all-rounder in QeA Trophy for a couple of seasons now. He very much earned a spot in the side because of both his batting and bowling exploits. And now he has proven himself as an all-rounder on the test level too.

I've never been sold on Aamir Yameen or Amad Butt and still am not. I would prefer Faheem over both.

Hundred percent agreed on the above. The question is why has it taken years for Mo Yousaf to work on him with his batting his bowling is improving as well

 

[Markhor]

Pre-Yousuf sessions Faheem infuriated me. He was invested in for 3.5 years and showed little signs of repaying it.

Post-Yousuf sessions Faheem has been a joy to watch. He's playing proper cricket shots instead of those ugly hacks across the line, his balance and defence looks better. Crucially, he allows us to balance the side and play 5 bowlers in all conditions.

As for areas for improvement, he won't be a strike bowler but chipping in with 2-3 wickets per innings should be the aim.

The question is who's the bowling coach equivalent of Yousuf who could work with Faheem ? The pace attack has regressed under Waqar to second worst in Test cricket since his appointment.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Abbas and Naseem were a little more threatening, but point being they weren’t hallmarks of what a specialist bowler should be. I think Faheem got one wicket per innings on average there, which is good but also was done in helpful conditions — would like to see him take 2 top 5 wickets the next time he has a good day.

Well that was my point, none of the specialist bowlers are picking up enough wickets to make an impact either. At least Faheem can compensate by hitting the odd half century. When the likes of Abbas and Naseem are taking 3 for 80 or similar then perhaps we won't need such a deep batting order.

 

[Mamoon]

Our standards are so low that a Pakistani cricketer has to do nothing to be considered quality.

An all-rounder like Faheem pays his due by scoring a couple of half-centuries and a batsman like Fawad becomes a legend after scoring a baby hundred on his home ground.

Faheem has already proved himself. So has Fawad.

 

[cricketAXEpert]

Rana Sahab has been doing well with bat in tests

What does he need to do to be considered a proper test all-rounder?

He did well in his first tests in NZ

If he scores 50+ here, can we consider him atleast some1 to invest in for Pak test team?

NO way am comparing him to Stokes, Wokes, Holder, Sakib, Pandya... just discussion on what will get Faheem in tht lineup

He needs to get more wickets. He is at the moment considered a bowling allrounder. But soon they will be questioning his usefulness as a bowler. I hope he starts getting more wickets.

 

[shaz619]

Our standards are so low that a Pakistani cricketer has to do nothing to be considered quality.

An all-rounder like Faheem pays his due by scoring a couple of half-centuries and a batsman like Fawad becomes a legend after scoring a baby hundred on his home ground.

Faheem has already proved himself. So has Fawad.

He was involved in some partnerships which helped your team recover from a sticky situation, I doubt he is the finished article but there are areas to build on. Do you expect everyone to join you in unison to knife the the fella?

 

[shaz619]

Pre-Yousuf sessions Faheem infuriated me. He was invested in for 3.5 years and showed little signs of repaying it.

Post-Yousuf sessions Faheem has been a joy to watch. He's playing proper cricket shots instead of those ugly hacks across the line, his balance and defence looks better. Crucially, he allows us to balance the side and play 5 bowlers in all conditions.

As for areas for improvement, he won't be a strike bowler but chipping in with 2-3 wickets per innings should be the aim.

The question is who's the bowling coach equivalent of Yousuf who could work with Faheem ? The pace attack has regressed under Waqar to second worst in Test cricket since his appointment.

At the minimum 1 wicket per innings, and if he isn’t picking up wickets you want him to hold an end; for the most part seems to keep things nice and tight, but you’re right under Waqar he isn’t going to develop unfortunately. Hopefully the work with Moyo shows further improvement though

 

[shamaan]

He has improved his batting since he has worked with mo yusuf.should also play his natural game when coming into bat.
bowling is good enough for a containing role.

 

[Justcrazy]

He is doing the job that is required off him. He is basically there to bowl around 10 overs a day , keep it tight and rest main fast bowlers.

With the bat at number 7 score around 30 - 35 runs, that is more than enough.

 

[Deewana Mastana]

He seems to have worked on his batting and it has started to show with the runs he got in NZ and now this test in the first innings. He was also economical in the NZ tests with the ball but for some reason in the first inns of this test he just bowled 5 overs out of 70 overs that SA batted.

Where as Hassan and Shaheen who went for runs bowled 14 and 12 overs.

His bowling does not have much zip as his pace is around 82-84mph max which still is something that can be worked upon to get him upto consistently bowling 85-86mph if not more.

What is the reason or why is he so under used?

 

[Bewal Express]

He seems to have worked on his batting and it has started to show with the runs he got in NZ and now this test in the first innings. He was also economical in the NZ tests with the ball but for some reason in the first inns of this test he just bowled 5 overs out of 70 overs that SA batted.

Where as Hassan and Shaheen who went for runs bowled 14 and 12 overs.

His bowling does not have much zip as his pace is around 82-84mph max which still is something that can be worked upon to get him upto consistently bowling 85-86mph if not more.

What is the reason or why is he so under used?

He isnt very threatening.

 

[Bewal Express]

He is doing the job that is required off him. He is basically there to bowl around 10 overs a day , keep it tight and rest main fast bowlers.

With the bat at number 7 score around 30 - 35 runs, that is more than enough.

His career will be a short one if his bowling doesnt improve

 

[Deewana Mastana]

He isnt very threatening.

Like I said with his pace of 82mph and not much zip he won't be that threatening but yet he is not going for plenty either. Still should have bowled around 10 overs if not more 5 was just bizarre especially when you are playing an all rounder.

 

[Esfahani]

Whoever said that his bowling is not good needs to have their heads checked...

For a FRONTLINE BOWLER, he is excellent!!

Bowled 5 overs, 12 runs, 0 wides, 0 no balls.

He is threatening as he has better line & control than Shaheen Shah Run Giver Afridi.

Give Faheem the new ball, and he will definitely get a 3 wicket haul.... I guarantee you in the third innings if you give him the new ball, it will happen.... Hasan Ali should not have new ball, he needs old ball for reverse.... Faheem should have new ball& not Hasan Ali even Hassan Ali admits he likes old ball better...


Not to mention. He scored a gritty 50. A half century as a #7/8 all rounder is a rare feat in the sport of Cricket!!

 

[Esfahani]

Like I said with his pace of 82mph and not much zip he won't be that threatening but yet he is not going for plenty either. Still should have bowled around 10 overs if not more 5 was just bizarre especially when you are playing an all rounder.

He was bowling 3 mph slower than Afridi...with better line and getting juicy block... not a big deal man!!!

 

[Bewal Express]

Like I said with his pace of 82mph and not much zip he won't be that threatening but yet he is not going for plenty either. Still should have bowled around 10 overs if not more 5 was just bizarre especially when you are playing an all rounder.

He wont last long unless his bowling improves. Surely, he can work on hitting the seam more often, send him to me, i could teach in a day or 2.

 

[Omer2002]

One thing is for certain with all these improvements he will be guaranteed in white ball cricket

 

[moghul]

Faheem is a failure as an all rounder , he has been a failure both with bat and bowl until recently but now has some runs behind him in last 2-3 test.

He is yet to perform as bowler , if he stars doing now, I'm fine with keeping him in the team otherwise he should be discarded , don't care whatever runs he scores.

 

[Tubs]

He should keep doing what he is doing to be honest, has performed admirably lately. Bowled decently in the NZ series, and was the 2nd most economical bowler in the first innings. Even if he's not getting wickets, he can hold up an end for a bit, which isn't bad for a 4th/5th seamer.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

He wont last long unless his bowling improves. Surely, he can work on hitting the seam more often, send him to me, i could teach in a day or 2.

He hits the seam every time. He is actually a seam bowler who tries to hits the 3 quarter seam and gets it to jag after pitching.

What he cant do is consistently swing the ball, because he doesnt maintain a rigid seam and angle it either way.
Also, his action at the moment is not conducive to extracting a lot of swing.
He needs a better base at the delivery stride which can allow him to lengthen his arm pull. This will allow him to attack the fuller length more purposefully.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Take more wickets. He needs to take a 5fer at some point.

 

[Shaddy86]

I read the OP's username and I thought he'd described Faheem Ashraf as one. At the moment he's still a Rellu Katya, will need to perform a lot more consistently and win games single handedly to be considered a real all-rounder, that's what world class all rounders do.

 

[Nadeemp]

Fahem has surprised me. I was making fun of him on the forum months ago. He was absolutely terrible till 1 month ago . The board stayed with him and he has shown considerable improvement. Maybe it was mental, maybe he worked on his game. I like what i see . Lets see where this goes.

 

[Justcrazy]

His career will be a short one if his bowling doesnt improve

I do not think so.

He can never be a prominent strike bowler in the team, he will remain a support bowler. I think if Pakistan continue to play him in Tests , he will be a really good force in OD.

Faheem , Imad , Shadab trio can make Pakistan strong OD side when next WC comes.

 

[aloo paratha]

His bowling doesn't need to be special. He just needs to bowl wicket to wicket with a scrambled seam which he is pretty good at doing. His pace is fine, I'd rather he bowl a bit slower but maintain control. 1 wicket per innings is fine.

 

[Amjid Javed]

If he can just be a little more potent with ball that would help the team alot as a 5th bowler in the side. His batting has improved imensily which is good.

 

[wrongun]

Here are some other all rounders for comparison. Faheem is a very small sample size so far, and having played half of that small sample in NZ (bowler friendly) will need to work hard to keep up the rate of wickets.

Since the question was what does he have to do to be a "good" allrounder, I'd say he'd need to do AT LEAST as well as Razzaq with batting avg 32 (3 centuries) & bowling avg 35. That's the bare minimum for a decent Test allrounder & you could even argue that's not "good" enough.

The other guys on the list are either regular century makers or almost good enough to play as front line bowlers.

Shane Watson: 1.25 per match. Batting allrounder.

Jaques Kallis: 1.75 wickets per match. Would be a national great even as just a batsman.

Abdul Razzaq. 2 wickets per match.

Faheem: 2.33 wickets per match.

Ben Stokes: 2.35 wickets per match. Makes regular centuries.

Jason Holder: 2.57 wickets per match. Slow career start but has made double century & had a couple of years recently where he's averaged in the teens with the ball.

So if Faheem either needs to start scoring the odd century as well as the odd fifty OR keep up/slightly increase his output with the ball.

At 2 wickets a match- you need to be a very solid batsman to be "good". At 2.5 wickets and more you can be regarded as a good enough bowler that chipping in with runs would be enough to be genuinely "good".

 

[Bewal Express]

I do not think so.

He can never be a prominent strike bowler in the team, he will remain a support bowler. I think if Pakistan continue to play him in Tests , he will be a really good force in OD.

Faheem , Imad , Shadab trio can make Pakistan strong OD side when next WC comes.

He needs to take wickets, sooner or later he will be gone. You may already know this but in ODI cricket you also need to take wickets, these guys won't take any.

 

[Bewal Express]

He hits the seam every time. He is actually a seam bowler who tries to hits the 3 quarter seam and gets it to jag after pitching.

What he cant do is consistently swing the ball, because he doesnt maintain a rigid seam and angle it either way.
Also, his action at the moment is not conducive to extracting a lot of swing.
He needs a better base at the delivery stride which can allow him to lengthen his arm pull. This will allow him to attack the fuller length more purposefully.

Except it doesn't work. How often does he beat the bat. Traditional upright seam takes wickets, he hardly beats the bat, nevermind take wickets on a regular basis.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Speaking in more specific terms, if Faheem learns to reverse swing the ball a decent amount (even though he doesn’t have a slingy action) or he picks up some new ball skills (considering we don’t have many new ball bowlers in the country) Faheem can fulfill a lot of utility for us.

Picking up new ball skills is difficult though. Right now, he’s good at keeping it wicket to wicket and cramping the batsman for room - if he can mix that up with the odd bouncer and learn to seam it both ways, he will be a handful as 3rd/4th seamer.

 

[burger_uno]

very few all-rounders start as finished products. from the top of my head, kallis was one cricketer who was ready for primetime in both departments. and even then, it was a long time before he established himself as a batsman despite the stellar reputation he bought from fc. in comparison, flintoff's early performance did not indicate any potential whatsoever and his subsequent turnaround was for me, a complete surprise. but it took a long time before he became an established member of english cricket team.

azhar mehmood and razzaq were selected as bowlers and their batting ability came as a complete surprise. in fact, i am not even sure that they themselves knew that they had the talent which would enable them to succeed as a lower middle order batsman. and i would argue that ultimately they did not fulfil their potential especially at the test level.

given faheem's performances in difficult circumstances over the last few matches, it is understandable for pakistani fans to be excited over his potential. for me, i think he should look purely to develop as a batsman if he wants to succeed in test. hard to see him being effective as razzak or a.m. as a bowler. this means he will have to justify his place as a batsman. he is not the finished product by any means but there is enough potential. it for him and pcb to see if he can get to the next level. given he plays pace better than shoaib malik, i think his career can have a higher upside. but sm put in the hard yards to turn into a batsman. good path for faheem to follow.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Fahim Ashraf has been the slowest Pakistan seamer in this Test, has found the least swing movement, and the least seam. However, 44% of their deliveries have been on a good line and length, the most of the three seamers

 

[Pakhs]

He has done a good holding job and given rest to the bowlers although that is not strictly required in home conditions.

 

[Pakhs]

Speaking in more specific terms, if Faheem learns to reverse swing the ball a decent amount (even though he doesn’t have a slingy action) or he picks up some new ball skills (considering we don’t have many new ball bowlers in the country) Faheem can fulfill a lot of utility for us.

Picking up new ball skills is difficult though. Right now, he’s good at keeping it wicket to wicket and cramping the batsman for room - if he can mix that up with the odd bouncer and learn to seam it both ways, he will be a handful as 3rd/4th seamer.

He can only ever be 4th seamer at best.

 

[Rellu_Katta]

Azhar and Razzaq were a class apart.. with them and Wasim + Shoaib + Saqlain, we should have brutalized ODI and test cricket but as usual internal conflicts let us down.

Faheem needs to step up his bowling... he is good in white ball cricket but not in red ball

 

[UzmanBeast]

I've been thinking of a few things Faheem can do to improve his skillset to offer us more:

Batting -

Make more use of front-foot defense and learn how to maneuver the ball in gaps rather than search for boundaries.

Develop a better sweep shot and a reverse sweep.

Learn how to flick the ball off the pads.

Integrate the straight drive into his batting.

Bowling -

He is only asked to bowl about 8-10 overs an innings, so I want to see that pace at about 85 mph for better swing.

He bowls a good line and length, but should look to use the angle taking the ball away from the bat from time to time.

Bowl a few high speed bouncers sometimes.

Would like to see him bowl a bit closer to the stumps so that he can swing it away from the right hander.

 

[Firebat]

Faheem is the most accurate of the seamers, which is a big positive because he will not release pressure and leak runs, but he is the least threatening. If he can add a little more pace to his bowling, along with his batting, he can really be an undroppable all rounder for us

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

He can only ever be 4th seamer at best.

So what happened to the 1st and 2nd seamers today? How did they get on?

 

[ManFan]

Realistically, 2-3 wickets per match.

Ideally, 4-5 wickets per match but that’s approaching ATG level.

 

[Pakhs]

So what happened to the 1st and 2nd seamers today? How did they get on?

Dont know but the thread is not about 1st or 2nd seamers but faheem who in no way can be considered as full time top 3 bowlers for test matches otherwise god help Pakistan.

 

[sweep_shot]

He needs to win some games. That's how he can cement his reputation as a proper all-rounder.

 

[sshakir411]

Needs to become a reliable batsman and be able to bowl decent 10 overs a day.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Dont know but the thread is not about 1st or 2nd seamers but faheem who in no way can be considered as full time top 3 bowlers for test matches otherwise god help Pakistan.

See this is the problem. If 1st and 2nd seamers were picking up wickets then if Faheem didn't chip in it wouldn't matter so much. I mean at least the guy chipped in with a half century, which is just as well since the frontline pace bowlers are producing zilch with the new ball.

 

[aloo paratha]

Fahim Ashraf has been the slowest Pakistan seamer in this Test, has found the least swing movement, and the least seam. However, 44% of their deliveries have been on a good line and length, the most of the three seamers

To me, he's basically doing what Mohammad Abbas was doing in NZ, but with the added bonus of runs. Slow, economical, wicket to wicket bowling.

 

[moghul]

Abbas is a proper bowler , he did not take many wickets in NZL but was beating the batsmen now and then but Faheem's job has been just to give some batting practice to the batsmen, never seemed like taking a wicket. Abbass rightly dropped for lack of performance but Faheem is not in Abbass's league.

Faheem has no skill as a pacer, yes him and Abbassa has similar pace.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Faheem whilst he wasnt potent did an excellent job as 3rd seamer in 2nd inns by drying up runs so that spinners could attack at other end. so in context of this game its job well done.

 

[Greenstorm]

He used to bowl close to 140s initially in his carrier. Should look to regain those speeds.

Nevertheless, he is good enough to be in this Pakistan side.

 

[Greenstorm]

Faheem whilst he wasnt potent did an excellent job as 3rd seamer in 2nd inns by drying up runs so that spinners could attack at other end. so in context of this game its job well done.

Yes, 6 maidens out of 8 overs is no joke.

 

[shamaan]

Faheem whilst he wasnt potent did an excellent job as 3rd seamer in 2nd inns by drying up runs so that spinners could attack at other end. so in context of this game its job well done.

I think that will be his job in asain conditions at the moment to keep it tight get the odd wicket and chip in with some runs.his pace does seem to be down thou

 

[moghul]

He needs to take wickets or should be discarded. He is short, no pace, no swing , don't know how he will take wickets.

 

[moghul]

I think that will be his job in asain conditions at the moment to keep it tight get the odd wicket and chip in with some runs.his pace does seem to be down thou

Cannot take wickets in Asian condition, cannot take wickets in SENA, where does he takes wickets ?

 

[shah_1]

He will not be dropped after his batting performances in last 3 matches

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

Except it doesn't work. How often does he beat the bat. Traditional upright seam takes wickets, he hardly beats the bat, nevermind take wickets on a regular basis.

I have told you the reason. His action needs work.
Plus, he doesn't have a dexterous wrist like Asif or a Walsh to just rely on that to generate movement of the pitch.