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[VIDEOS] What now for Mohammad Rizwan?

Let's stop bringing religion and tableeghi jamat stuff here..... Talk about cricket
 
As i said before he was appointed that WK and batting is hard enough. But to add Captaincy to the burden requires amazing energy and concentration powers. Bat at 5 and Keep. So far Captaincy is ok but nothing to write home about, if we get knocked out tomorrow. It's good night nurse.
 
The man fought demons in the pitch to salvage Pakistan’s pride today. Show him love.
 
Get rid of him. Evey innings is the same rubbish. He's the reason we will lose today.
 
3. Captain’s extremely cowardly approach as a batter. Shades of the torturous Misbah ul Haq era.

This cannot be emphasized enough. The Pakistan cricket team captain must come clean and explain why he feels that he alone is allowed to play a pace that isn’t what is expected from the rest of the team in their respective batting positions. Since his appointment as the leader, and with glimpses of this approach in the Champion’s cup too, Mohammad Rizwan has habitually become a batter that completely switches himself off from the requirement of the game, almost inviting his teammates to give him the excuse to simply play selfishly and cowardly. Some recent stats:

Champion’s cup: 186 balls faced, sr 80. (poor)

Australia series: 98 balls faced, sr of 75 (not good enough)

South Africa series: 139 balls faced, sr 96.4 (respectable)

Zimbabwe series: 90 balls faced, sr 62.2 (Pathetic)

Tri series: 215 balls faced, sr 79.5 (useless)

Overall since ODI World Cup 2023: 914 balls faced in 50 over cricket, sr 78.62!! This is extremely poor going into a tournament as the captain of a side will need his side to produce scores strong enough on to challenge given that there may not be much on offer for his bowlers. A strike rate hovering around 80 is UNJUSTIFIABLE for a player that has stubbornly cried and insisted on batting in positions where he feels comfortable, whilst many players have been forced to shift around throughout the last 5 years to accommodate him. I do not believe this is a deliberate ploy and is a requirement for Pakistan cricket, unless we have conceded as a nation that is on par with associates such as Norway and Germany. My own opinion is that Rizwan masks his incompetence as a batter with this pathetic approach to bide himself enough time at the crease to find the pace of the wicket to get himself going. This is also being replicated by his friend Khushdil Shah who also needs a long time at the crease to kick off and hit the one shot he has to deep midwicket. A horrendous and rubbish approach that has been the cause of Pakistan’s downfall in the past and still being persisted with by a leader who has learned from his mentor at SNGPL. This pathetic approach will cost Pakistan
 
Even though this was ODI cricket he should be sacked from T20 captaincy. He is completely unfit for that role.
 
The sacrificial lamb will be Aaqib. Silly sausage should have stuck being the lead selector rather thinking he could be a super all format coach.

Do we really think the likes of Afridi, Haris, Rizwan, Naseem and Babar will be dropped from the white ball team after our official exit from the Champions Trophy is confirmed?

For one, Shahid Afridi will be moaning on all the tv channels to get his son restored to the captaincy of the white ball team. I really don't think the PCB have the courage to drop these players. "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.”
 
molana rizlu is an excellent wicket keeper batsman, its the failure of the Pakistani set up that despite being a political player and showing minimal aptitude for being a specialist white ball batsmen or a captain they have tried to make him into dhoni 2.0.

he is an automatic selection as a keeper, but he should never bat above six, he is effective, but his technique is not strong good enough to be a specialist batsman. his elevation to a role of such significance is a failure of Pakistani cricket, hes the only international-level cricketer in the team.
 
After Babar, he was logically the next choice as limited overs Kuptaan. However, this tournament has proved that he is just a clone of Babar when it comes to captaincy with the same cowardly, timid approach. Any further continuation of him as Kuptaan is just wasting everyone's time and wffort

While he gets into the team purely as the wicket-keeper batsman (due to scarce back-up replacements), the questions remains if he would able to function as a player only in the team and be able to take orders? Or will he start complaining again about his batting position and not put in the effort? I'm afraid it is more likely to be the latter case...

One thing is for sure. Babar and Rizwan should never be in the playing 11 as the negative mindset they bring will never enable Pakistan to win tournaments. When push came to shove and they got close like Asia Cup final or the T20 World Cup final, they faltered.

I would like to see someone like Agha as Kuptaan with Ayub as his VC personally but it all depends if they can break out of the spell that the likes of RizBar have on them as the next person in charge will have to be ruthless.
 
PakHammer said:
The sacrificial lamb will be Aaqib. Silly sausage should have stuck being the lead selector rather thinking he could be a super all format coach.

Do we really think the likes of Afridi, Haris, Rizwan, Naseem and Babar will be dropped from the white ball team after our official exit from the Champions Trophy is confirmed?

For one, Shahid Afridi will be moaning on all the tv channels to get his son restored to the captaincy of the white ball team. I really don't think the PCB have the courage to drop these players. "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.”
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Aqib isn't the lamb you think he is. He is the executioner of Kirsten and Gillespie.
 
He needs to be dropped from white ball cricket until he learns how to play on the offside.
 
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What now? Preaching trip to Tanzania in Ramadan.
Surely they are past any improvement in their game
 
Kianig89 said:
Rumours that Rizwan not happy with senior players as they are not upto task , what next disunity rifts and vendetta. Hope everything is right
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The players who didnt support Riz will have to pay the price.

Riz will also need to leave the no.4 slot in ODIs as I have previously proposed.
 
Batting nicely atm in the QEA game for Peshawar against Sialkot.

Batting at 122*... Good practice for him before the test series begins against Proteas on 12th.


Looking in good form.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Batting nicely atm in the QEA game for Peshawar against Sialkot.

Batting at 122*... Good practice for him before the test series begins against Proteas on 12th.


Looking in good form.
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Yeah Harris apparently scored 89 off 100 on that deck.

Shows it’s a road.
 
Half* century today, on a day where Imam & Shan scored to, against the following on a Day 1 pitch in Pakistan:

Mulder - 21 Tests
Subrayen - 1 Test
Harmer - 10 Tests
Muthusamy - 5 Tests

I would like to know why nobody distributed Mitai to myself today, I had some when Lara made 153* in Bridgetown, but the occasion has come again thanks to Rizzu bhai aka the Molvi.

@Rana @Markhor
 
shaz619 said:
Half* century today, on a day where Imam & Shan scored to, against the following on a Day 1 pitch in Pakistan:

Mulder - 21 Tests
Subrayen - 1 Test
Harmer - 10 Tests
Muthusamy - 5 Tests

I would like to know why nobody distributed Mitai to myself today, I had some when Lara made 153* in Bridgetown, but the occasion has come again thanks to Rizzu bhai aka the Molvi.

@Rana @Markhor
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Credit needs to be given when its due.

Rizzu in the past wtc cycle avg 41 and was pk's hest test batsmen in Australian conditons.

To put it into perspective the 2nd highest avg batter last wtc cycle was Shan who avg 37. Rizwan only had a poor outing was England where he avg 19 last cycle.

He's always been a good test batsmen. Yes he's a crappy t20 batsmen and an otherwise bang avg odi batsmen but in test format he is extremely good.

Rizwan works in test cause he has perfected the limited strokes he can logically play. And in test cricket he does not have to worry about getting out of his comfort zone and can ignore the offside completely.

As for Imam and Shan, Imam has lost weight and has improved. Shan is no where near as bad as people make him out to be. He was avg 40 before WI doctored pitch series tanked his and everyone's else avg.

This pitch isn't a road either. Its not a Mamba, but its a standard subcontinent spin pitch.
 
despite the hate he rightfully gets in white ball cricket, hes a world class test keeper bat. hes one of the best test players pak have. i hope he goes on for a good few years still.
 
mominsaigol said:
Credit needs to be given when its due.

Rizzu in the past wtc cycle avg 41 and was pk's hest test batsmen in Australian conditons.

To put it into perspective the 2nd highest avg batter last wtc cycle was Shan who avg 37. Rizwan only had a poor outing was England where he avg 19 last cycle.

He's always been a good test batsmen. Yes he's a crappy t20 batsmen and an otherwise bang avg odi batsmen but in test format he is extremely good.

Rizwan works in test cause he has perfected the limited strokes he can logically play. And in test cricket he does not have to worry about getting out of his comfort zone and can ignore the offside completely.

As for Imam and Shan, Imam has lost weight and has improved. Shan is no where near as bad as people make him out to be. He was avg 40 before WI doctored pitch series tanked his and everyone's else avg.

This pitch isn't a road either. Its not a Mamba, but its a standard subcontinent spin pitch.
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Bang average ODI player has 2 100 in Pakistans highest ever successful ODI chases and one of those came in a World Cup. There isn’t many other batsmen who can boast about doing that in a Pakistan Jersey
 
mominsaigol said:
Credit needs to be given when its due.

Rizzu in the past wtc cycle avg 41 and was pk's hest test batsmen in Australian conditons.

To put it into perspective the 2nd highest avg batter last wtc cycle was Shan who avg 37. Rizwan only had a poor outing was England where he avg 19 last cycle.

He's always been a good test batsmen. Yes he's a crappy t20 batsmen and an otherwise bang avg odi batsmen but in test format he is extremely good.

Rizwan works in test cause he has perfected the limited strokes he can logically play. And in test cricket he does not have to worry about getting out of his comfort zone and can ignore the offside completely.

As for Imam and Shan, Imam has lost weight and has improved. Shan is no where near as bad as people make him out to be. He was avg 40 before WI doctored pitch series tanked his and everyone's else avg.

This pitch isn't a road either. Its not a Mamba, but its a standard subcontinent spin pitch.
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On a day 1 pitch against that attack, our standards are extremely low if we’re going to do a bhangra over a 50, I can’t recall the last time he played an impactful knock in Tests & and am not saying drop him, but we’re taking it too far with the celebrations, he did the least that was expected of him
 
GudduBadmash said:
Bang average ODI player has 2 100 in Pakistans highest ever successful ODI chases and one of those came in a World Cup. There isn’t many other batsmen who can boast about doing that in a Pakistan Jersey
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Sri lanka isn't an achievement anymore. Every side is bashing their crappie bowling. Even Abdullah shafique scored 111 alongside rizzu with them.
 
shaz619 said:
On a day 1 pitch against that attack, our standards are extremely low if we’re going to do a bhangra over a 50, I can’t recall the last time he played an impactful knock in Tests & and am not saying drop him, but we’re taking it too far with the celebrations, he did the least that was expected of him
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You gotta put your hatred aside. SA has Rabada and is playing full strength.

The issue is that SA is not a spin team but their playing all their spinners just missing their Ace spinner due to injury.

Pakistan has taken pace out of the equation with such wickets but SA knew from the get go that they'd be facing Pakistan on a spin track.

Rizwan is an atrocious t20 batsmen and a very medicore odi batsmen. No disagreements their, however he has consistently been Pakistan's best test batsmen (Alongside Salman Ali Agha and Saud) for a while.

Like I said he was the best performer in Australia had the highest avg last wtc and scored 75 runs today before departing The situation he came in wasnt easy either.

Due to brain fades by Saud and Babar, he came when a collapse was very much possible.

A wicket keeper batsmen avg 40+ in test cricket, avg 41 last wtc cycle while the 2nd highest shan avg 37, and only having 2 bad series vs NZ and Eng does not mean that he is a bad test batsmen.

Test is the one format he's been good in, and Rizzu would likely garner alot of respect if he stuck to playing test cricket and didnt show his face in Odi and t20 but he seems to be following Misbah's foot steps.
 
mominsaigol said:
You gotta put your hatred aside. SA has Rabada and is playing full strength.

The issue is that SA is not a spin team but their playing all their spinners just missing their Ace spinner due to injury.

Pakistan has taken pace out of the equation with such wickets but SA knew from the get go that they'd be facing Pakistan on a spin track.

Rizwan is an atrocious t20 batsmen and a very medicore odi batsmen. No disagreements their, however he has consistently been Pakistan's best test batsmen (Alongside Salman Ali Agha and Saud) for a while.

Like I said he was the best performer in Australia had the highest avg last wtc and scored 75 runs today before departing The situation he came in wasnt easy either.

Due to brain fades by Saud and Babar, he came when a collapse was very much possible.

A wicket keeper batsmen avg 40+ in test cricket, avg 41 last wtc cycle while the 2nd highest shan avg 37, and only having 2 bad series vs NZ and Eng does not mean that he is a bad test batsmen.

Test is the one format he's been good in, and Rizzu would likely garner alot of respect if he stuck to playing test cricket and didnt show his face in Odi and t20 but he seems to be following Misbah's foot steps.
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Nothing to do with hatred just an understanding of te situation with the Test that forced me not to prematurely celebrate a 50 on day 1 with a lot of work to do, he did the bare minimum and I will not worship that if that’s what our standards are now, I don’t know why we have to eulogise batting in the flat pitches of Australia either which yielded no victory, it wasn’t against Warne & McGrath was it, what did his 50 have to do with that? Did I say drop him? He’s a thoroughly soft cricketer who will do the bare minimum for us, I’d have given credit where due had he not thrown his wicket away and made the start he got actually matter, but unfortunately Pakistan have collapsed after Rizwan threw his wicket away.
 
shaz619 said:
Nothing to do with hatred just an understanding of te situation with the Test that forced me not to prematurely celebrate a 50 on day 1 with a lot of work to do, he did the bare minimum and I will not worship that if that’s what our standards are now, I don’t know why we have to eulogise batting in the flat pitches of Australia either which yielded no victory, it wasn’t against Warne & McGrath was it, what did his 50 have to do with that? Did I say drop him? He’s a thoroughly soft cricketer who will do the bare minimum for us, I’d have given credit where due had he not thrown his wicket away and made the start he got actually matter, but unfortunately Pakistan have collapsed after Rizwan threw his wicket away.
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He is a soft cricketer and I am not stating he's good.

But the reality is PK doesn't have a replacement for him in test cricket. And he is Pakistan's best home and away test batsmen.

Only batter who was better was Sarfi during his prime purple patch UAE run but that lasted from 2014-2015 only.

Sarfi post 2015 was a terrific captain but an otherwise average batsmen.
 
mominsaigol said:
He is a soft cricketer and I am not stating he's good.

But the reality is PK doesn't have a replacement for him in test cricket. And he is Pakistan's best home and away test batsmen.

Only batter who was better was Sarfi during his prime purple patch UAE run but that lasted from 2014-2015 only.

Sarfi post 2015 was a terrific captain but an otherwise average batsmen.
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They played some truly memorable / impactful knocks did Sarfraz / Kami against very difficult opposition in testing conditions. Yeah I agree right now he’s the best option for us, but it’s a shame we didn’t groom a back-up in Rohail Nazir, Test cricket should be a young mans sport and a neutral poster use to bring him up for many years and we didn’t invest in him, but it’s difficult as well when we are too busy fighting fires, now that we’re trying to win/dominate at home, we should look to develop the bench, it’s a shame this is a 2 Test series because the aim should be to win 2 on the bounce and bring in the blood for the 3rd, not ideal but that’s the only way in Pakistan when seniors block out youngsters and top FC performers.
 
shaz619 said:
Nothing to do with hatred just an understanding of te situation with the Test that forced me not to prematurely celebrate a 50 on day 1 with a lot of work to do, he did the bare minimum and I will not worship that if that’s what our standards are now, I don’t know why we have to eulogise batting in the flat pitches of Australia either which yielded no victory, it wasn’t against Warne & McGrath was it, what did his 50 have to do with that? Did I say drop him? He’s a thoroughly soft cricketer who will do the bare minimum for us, I’d have given credit where due had he not thrown his wicket away and made the start he got actually matter, but unfortunately Pakistan have collapsed after Rizwan threw his wicket away.
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Toni DeZorzi getting 50 on this deck

We can’t say Rizwan is a Jayawardane level player otherwise we will have to say Zorzi is Sangakara
 
mominsaigol said:
He is a soft cricketer and I am not stating he's good.

But the reality is PK doesn't have a replacement for him in test cricket. And he is Pakistan's best home and away test batsmen.

Only batter who was better was Sarfi during his prime purple patch UAE run but that lasted from 2014-2015 only.

Sarfi post 2015 was a terrific captain but an otherwise average batsmen.
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Sarfi couldnt buy a run away from home.

He was amazing vs spin though and even helped Pakistan draw a series against Nz in home conditions and that too at the fag end of his career.
 
some great takes behind the stumps today, people who complain about him in test cricket should be reincarnated as bowlers who had to have kami behind the stumps, toothy grin, dropped catches and all.
 
mominsaigol said:
Sri lanka isn't an achievement anymore. Every side is bashing their crappie bowling. Even Abdullah shafique scored 111 alongside rizzu with them.
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Whataboutery

You can only score against what is put against you and their batsmen absolutely schooled our bowlers that day
 
After a long time Pakistan have a truly world-class wicket-keeper behind the stumps in test cricket.

Having a good wicketkeeper behind the stumps makes a huge difference, especially in the sub-continent.
 
As always, he's outstanding behind the stumps and a batter capable of comfortably averaging 40+ across all three formats. He walks into the playing XI in Tests, ODIs, and T20Is without question and the truth is, Pakistan currently has no replacement for him.

Those blindly backing Tulla Haris over him have already exposed their lack of understanding of the game. Just because he wasn’t the ideal T20 batter doesn't mean you throw logic out the window and start fantasizing that a technically flawed player like Haris is somehow a long term solution.

Let’s be honest: the others can’t even keep properly, constantly fumbling behind the stumps, missing regulation takes and simple run out chances. I warned everyone about Haris, but no one listened. Now the results are in plain sight.

The best course of action is simple: own up to the mistake, admit you were wrong, and commit to putting cricketing sense above hype. Going forward, let’s stop pushing Tulla players who lack the technique and temperament to survive at the top level.
 
mominsaigol said:
Yeah Abdullah Shafique is a goat 🐐 🤦🏻
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So you would have been happier had we lost the match then I guess. Shafique was hyped up till no ends as the best opener in Pakistan . People wanted him to replace Rizwan in T20 at one point too. Now suddenly he is a troll material ?
 
GudduBadmash said:
So you would have been happier had we lost the match then I guess. Shafique was hyped up till no ends as the best opener in Pakistan . People wanted him to replace Rizwan in T20 at one point too. Now suddenly he is a troll material ?
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Shafique was hyped up because Babar Azam hyped him up and Babar at that time had everyone including you wrapped around his little finger so much so that even PCB chairman's sucked upto him.

As for win or lose, it doesnt matter. Pakistan got mauled and beaten black and blue every top side excluding NZ primary due to a Fakhar Special.

All top teams put Pakistan in their place once they hit that no 1 odi ranking.
 
Whether anyone likes or not, Rizwan is already Pakistan's most prolific keeper batter in Tests.

I expect he has one more WTC cycle in him after the current one if he doesn't lose reflexes
 
pratiktc said:
Whether anyone likes or not, Rizwan is already Pakistan's most prolific keeper batter in Tests.

I expect he has one more WTC cycle in him after the current one if he doesn't lose reflexes
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Rizwan getting tagged with Babar (RizBar) was in hindsight extremely damaging for Riz. He's not one-dimensional and has the ability to play well in different circumstances despite his limited ability in stroke making.

He's also without doubt the best wicket keeper batter that Pak has ever had. Akmal showed a lot of promise in his first few seasons but he aged like milk, his batting never became consistent and his keeping remained abysmal. Man is the reason why we never won anything substantial despite having a decent bowling line-up for a short time in the late 2000s. The Sydney test, the English series famous for the forfeited test, & so many other overseas & home series were full of his match & series losing blunders.

Sarfraz was good as a batter on spinning tracks and our resurgence was a result of his skills but outside of UAE, he was unable to convert starts to meaningful scores. He was good but not great, although his ouster from the team was rushed. Both him and Rizwan had the case of playing together where one of them could keep while the other could play as a specialist batter.

Rashid was an above average keeper but a mediocre batter. Moin was clumsy behind the stumps and not a good red ball batter. He did have good hitting ability in white ball cricket & in my opinion, if he was in T20 cricket era, he'd do really well. Unfortunately for him, he missed the T20 gravy train.

Wasim Bari, Saleem Yousuf, Anil Dilpat, Saleem Altaf, and the others lived and played in an era where cricket was less frequent so it's hard to make their cases. Saleem Yousuf was considered a man of crisis & a true brave heart who always stood up for challenges so he has my respect but he ended up playing just 32 tests. While Bari is considered our first original keeping star but his batting stats are such that he cannot be considered as a batter. The others have a body of work which is just not worth mentioning.

Rizwan has a place in our cricket for the near future unless he loses form completely. He's still the best keeper in Pak and his batting while far from being perfect is good enough that he can even play as a pure batter. His real competition was Sarfraz and outside of that there's no real contender in any format who can totally replace him in almost any format.
 
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Shafique was hyped up because Babar Azam hyped him up and Babar at that time had everyone including you wrapped around his little finger so much so that even PCB chairman's sucked upto him.

As for win or lose, it doesnt matter. Pakistan got mauled and beaten black and blue every top side excluding NZ primary due to a Fakhar Special.

All top teams put Pakistan in their place once they hit that no 1 odi ranking.
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Im a Rizwan fan, I dont particularly care about Babar but hes better than the garbage we have right now
 
GoUgandaCranes said:
Rizwan getting tagged with Babar (RizBar) was in hindsight extremely damaging for Riz. He's not one-dimensional and has the ability to play well in different circumstances despite his limited ability in stroke making.

He's also without doubt the best wicket keeper batter that Pak has ever had. Akmal showed a lot of promise in his first few seasons but he aged like milk, his batting never became consistent and his keeping remained abysmal. Man is the reason why we never won anything substantial despite having a decent bowling line-up for a short time in the late 2000s. The Sydney test, the English series famous for the forfeited test, & so many other overseas & home series were full of his match & series losing blunders.

Sarfraz was good as a batter on spinning tracks and our resurgence was a result of his skills but outside of UAE, he was unable to convert starts to meaningful scores. He was good but not great, although his ouster from the team was rushed. Both him and Rizwan had the case of playing together where one of them could keep while the other could play as a specialist batter.

Rashid was an above average keeper but a mediocre batter. Moin was clumsy behind the stumps and not a good red ball batter. He did have good hitting ability in white ball cricket & in my opinion, if he was in T20 cricket era, he'd do really well. Unfortunately for him, he missed the T20 gravy train.

Wasim Bari, Saleem Yousuf, Anil Dilpat, Saleem Altaf, and the others lived and played in an era where cricket was less frequent so it's hard to make their cases. Saleem Yousuf was considered a man of crisis & a true brave heart who always stood up for challenges so he has my respect but he ended up playing just 32 tests. While Bari is considered our first original keeping star but his batting stats are such that he cannot be considered as a batter. The others have a body of work which is just not worth mentioning.

Rizwan has a place in our cricket for the near future unless he loses form completely. He's still the best keeper in Pak and his batting while far from being perfect is good enough that he can even play as a pure batter. His real competition was Sarfraz and outside of that there's no real contender in any format who can totally replace him in almost any format.
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Rizwan’s average as a keeper in tests is impressive, but we have to remember he has played in the top 6 for the majority of his test career and even played at no4 for a length of time.

We will never know how some of his predecessors could have been batting higher up the order. On some of the flat pancakes of yesteryear, the no7 (where Moin, Rashid, Saleem, Bari, Sarfraz, Akmal and co batted), the mamoth scores had already been made and there was no need for the no7 to either contribute or even bat altogether.

keep this in mind when analysing the stats.
 
TheSultan said:
Rizwan’s average as a keeper in tests is impressive, but we have to remember he has played in the top 6 for the majority of his test career and even played at no4 for a length of time.

We will never know how some of his predecessors could have been batting higher up the order. On some of the flat pancakes of yesteryear, the no7 (where Moin, Rashid, Saleem, Bari, Sarfraz, Akmal and co batted), the nanotg scores had been made and there was no need for the no7 to either contribute or even bat altogether.

keep this in mind when analysing the stats.
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Even if you adjust for conditions, Rizwan as an overall player still remains the best test keeper for Pak. There has been no safe keeper who is a decent bat that could replace him, in any conditions, against any team.

I say this & I'm not even a Riz fan, in fact someone who gets annoyed by his antics & brain fades. It's a travesty that Pak just does not have an ATG keeper like Gilly, Sanga, Dhoni, Butler, AB, QDK, McCullum & Andy Flower.
 
GoUgandaCranes said:
Even if you adjust for conditions, Rizwan as an overall player still remains the best test keeper for Pak. There has been no safe keeper who is a decent bat that could replace him, in any conditions, against any team.

I say this & I'm not even a Riz fan, in fact someone who gets annoyed by his antics & brain fades. It's a travesty that Pak just does not have an ATG keeper like Gilly, Sanga, Dhoni, Butler, AB, QDK, McCullum & Andy Flower.
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I don't know if I would put Buttler in that category. His record in test cricket is not good. AB was a decent keeper but I'm not sure if I would trust his glovework on sub-continental pitches.

Gilly is the one guy who checks every box. The perfect wicketkeeper batsman for every format.

In test cricket, I prefer wicketkeepers like Wriddhiman Saha or BJ Watling. Keepers who are known more for their glovework but can get stuck into the opposition and play crucial knocks down the order. Rizwan does fall in that category, though his batting is probably better than those two.
 
TheSultan said:
Rizwan’s average as a keeper in tests is impressive, but we have to remember he has played in the top 6 for the majority of his test career and even played at no4 for a length of time.

We will never know how some of his predecessors could have been batting higher up the order. On some of the flat pancakes of yesteryear, the no7 (where Moin, Rashid, Saleem, Bari, Sarfraz, Akmal and co batted), the mamoth scores had already been made and there was no need for the no7 to either contribute or even bat altogether.

keep this in mind when analysing the stats.
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We need to group the keepers seperately because the had vastly different roles. Basically look at before and after Kamran.

Rizwan, Kami and Sarfraz are the only two modern era WK bats we have produced. The rest were traditional wicket keepers who could bat a bit as a bonus. The game evolved since those types of keepers were the norm.

Of the three, Rizwan edges Sarfraz in Test matches and both are comfortably better than Kamran.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
We need to group the keepers seperately because the had vastly different roles. Basically look at before and after Kamran.

Rizwan, Kami and Sarfraz are the only two modern era WK bats we have produced. The rest were traditional wicket keepers who could bat a bit as a bonus. The game evolved since those types of keepers were the norm.

Of the three, Rizwan edges Sarfraz in Test matches and both are comfortably better than Kamran.
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Kamran Akmal had so much potential. He would have achieved greater things if he was an honest man sincere to his profession.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
I don't know if I would put Buttler in that category. His record in test cricket is not good. AB was a decent keeper but I'm not sure if I would trust his glovework on sub-continental pitches.

Gilly is the one guy who checks every box. The perfect wicketkeeper batsman for every format.

In test cricket, I prefer wicketkeepers like Wriddhiman Saha or BJ Watling. Keepers who are known more for their glovework but can get stuck into the opposition and play crucial knocks down the order. Rizwan does fall in that category, though his batting is probably better than those two.
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100% agreed with you.

A safe keeper is the ultimate requirement of test cricket & if they can contribute around 30-40 runs at 6 or 7 it's a great bonus.

Just listed all the good keepers from various countries in my post for both white and red ball cricket. Prior was the better keeper batter for England, but personally I rate Butler as well because he's one of those players who always turns up against us no matter what the format is even though his overall test record isn't that great. That said, we don't have anyone like Butler and that's the real point.
 
AB was not a proper keeper - and he only kept in 19 tests I think. Same with McCullum too.

Similarly Buttler is poor in tests, Sangakarra didn’t always keep either. The only out and out keeper who was a great test batsman was Gilly. Dhoni was good too but better known for his exploits in white ball.

We can’t always have what other teams have, and we shouldn’t be trying to force it too.
 
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