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Virat Kohli and co. have played better overseas than Indian teams of last 15-20 years: Ravi Shastri

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[MENTION=147270]the_outsider[/MENTION]

Brilliant job. Very good posts.
 
This ranking means nothing. I would take the ranking seriously if a team like (2009-2013) South Africa were at the helm of it.

That South Africa team was the true no1 test team since that team won almost everywhere. They were superb in India and drew the series, won in SL, drew in UAE, won in NZ, AUS, ENG, WI, BD and declared themselves as the undisputed leader of the cricket World.

Compare the performance of that team with the lol worthy performance of the current no1 team. This no 1 rank is totally worthless and its nothing but a manifestation of winning pointless home tests on doctored wickets.
 
We are facing a double-edged sword. If India wins the WC, Shashtri's stay will probably be extended. If we want him gone then we will have to hope for India to lose. Yikes! :))

If India wins the WC then even jokers will be appreciated and everything will be excused (Jokers can continue as long as they want!) But can they do it? We thought/expected the same about these English & South African tour and the results are there to be seen!
 
It's always funny to see a Bangladeshi fan give free gyaan about what it takes to be the number 1 team.

It's like hearing an eskimo talk about throwing the best bbq. :))

Nope, I ain't giving any gyaan, my dear friend. Trust me, this is how the cricket fans feel about the current no 1 team.

100 years of test experience but still this result!! We expect much better performance from the so called no 1 team !
 
Nope, I ain't giving any gyaan, my dear friend. Trust me, this is how the cricket fans feel about the current no 1 team.

100 years of test experience but still this result!! We expect much better performance from the so called no 1 team !

England is probably playing cricket for 2000 years, still no world cup!
 
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[MENTION=147270]the_outsider[/MENTION]

Brilliant job. Very good posts.

Thanks, man.

Honestly, I have a lot of respect for each and every player from each and every team. I understand that these people have reached the pinnacle of their profession - international cricket - and that nobody can reach that level without being exceptional.

But some posters like [MENTION=146500]RainMan_[/MENTION] make it their mission to try and humiliate some of these players and try to undermine the hardwork they put in day in and day out.

As you can see, throughout this forum [MENTION=146500]RainMan_[/MENTION] talks about how India is the "worst number 1 test team" because we don't win overseas. Since 1990, India has won only 16 matches outside Asia. That's not enough, he will say. But ask him why Australia - the greatest test team ever - has only had 17 wins in Asia since 1990 and watch him run away. Why does SA only have 11, ENG only 7 and NZ only 4?

The greatest test team in the world for 2 decades, Australia, has had 14 wins in Asia (excluding BAN) since 1990. India's had 13 wins outside Asia (excluding ZIM). A difference of 1 win.

Yet, one team is the best test team ever and the other is the "worst number 1 team ever".
 
I like Kohli's attitude and his talking openly how he wants his team to win overseas, but Shastri uncle is absolute **. It is cringeworthy to find an opposition in your own past teams to make you look good. Is India competing against current England team or past Indian team?
 
I like Kohli's attitude and his talking openly how he wants his team to win overseas, but Shastri uncle is absolute **. It is cringeworthy to find an opposition in your own past teams to make you look good. Is India competing against current England team or past Indian team?

He is out of desperation trying to protect his position and nothing else, wants to say that his team is doing better than past teams (without considering the then situation). He knows very much that any other proper coach would have handled this team well & took out the better part of Kohli (if that means releasing him from captaincy!)
 
Thanks, man.

Honestly, I have a lot of respect for each and every player from each and every team. I understand that these people have reached the pinnacle of their profession - international cricket - and that nobody can reach that level without being exceptional.

But some posters like [MENTION=146500]RainMan_[/MENTION] make it their mission to try and humiliate some of these players and try to undermine the hardwork they put in day in and day out.

As you can see, throughout this forum [MENTION=146500]RainMan_[/MENTION] talks about how India is the "worst number 1 test team" because we don't win overseas. Since 1990, India has won only 16 matches outside Asia. That's not enough, he will say. But ask him why Australia - the greatest test team ever - has only had 17 wins in Asia since 1990 and watch him run away. Why does SA only have 11, ENG only 7 and NZ only 4?

The greatest test team in the world for 2 decades, Australia, has had 14 wins in Asia (excluding BAN) since 1990. India's had 13 wins outside Asia (excluding ZIM). A difference of 1 win.

Yet, one team is the best test team ever and the other is the "worst number 1 team ever".

No response as usual [MENTION=146500]RainMan_[/MENTION]

How many times will you do the same thing?
 
Kohli isn't a very good captain I agree. But he has 9 away wins. That's a fact.

The most by any other captain is 5. That's a pretty big difference.

And SL is #6 btw. In fact currently they have the exact same rating point as Eng.

And when India toured SL in 2015, SLNwas ranked #4.

What you are saying are facts and numbers. So, I cant argue on that obviously.

But those facts aren't enough to say that the current Indian team has performed better overseas than the past Indian teams because wins in Aus/SA/NZ/Eng matter a lot more than wins in SL or WI.
 
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What you are saying are facts and numbers. So, I cant argue on that obviously.

But those facts aren't enough to say that the current Indian team has performed better overseas than the past Indian teams because wins in Aus/SA/NZ/Eng matter a lot more than wins in SL or WI.

Yes I agree with that totally. Obviously India's best traveling team was from 2003-07. Won in Pak, Eng and WI, drew in Aus and won the 1st first test in SA.

All I wanted to point out is that people are seriously underrating how much Kohli's team has achieved in just 3.5 years.
 
Yes I agree with that totally. Obviously India's best traveling team was from 2003-07. Won in Pak, Eng and WI, drew in Aus and won the 1st first test in SA.

All I wanted to point out is that people are seriously underrating how much Kohli's team has achieved in just 3.5 years.

Yes, I agree with this. They have been absolutely unbeatable in Asia and WI and have fared decently in other countries as well.

Its mostly some padosis, who are underrating it.
 
London: Former captain Sunil Gavaskar has reminded Ravi Shastri that India had won Test series in West Indies and England, a day after the under-fire coach claimed his side has a better overseas record than teams of the last 15-20 years.

While India lost yet another Test series away from home following the 60-run defeat in the fourth Test against England at Southampton, head coach Shastri insisted the current side is better travellers than the teams of the last 15-20 years.

Gavaskar, once a teammate and captain of Shastri, recalled some of the series wins abroad by Indian teams of the past. "All I can say is that no Indian team has won in Sri Lanka for a long time. But we have won in the West Indies, in England, Test matches in Australia and South Africa," Gavsakar told India Today.

The last time India won a Test series in England was in 2007, under Rahul Dravid's captaincy.

The batting great said, "What I can say is that teams in 1980s have won in England and West Indies. Rahul Dravid also won series in West Indies in 2005, in England in 2007 and captained when India beat South Africa for the first time (in South Africa).

"Dravid gets very little credit for his leadership and his team's wins. There have been teams who have won overseas."

Gavaskar criticised the batsmen for their inability to tackle England spinner Moeen Ali, who ended the game with nine wickets. "Lack of footwork has hurt Indian batsmen, they are not getting to the pitch of the ball against Moeen Ali. This comes from playing too much of white ball cricket, in one-dayers you won't have four slips when pacers are bowling and you can hit through the line."

Though England have sealed it in their favour with three wins in four Tests, Gavaskar said the assessment of the team should be done after the last Test at the Oval.

"I think that's something that needs to be looked at by the end of the series. During the series, I understand saying that we are still good to keep morale up. There is still one Test to go. A real assessment has to be made on September 12, when series ends."

https://www.news18.com/cricketnext/...i-of-indias-past-overseas-record-1870105.html
 
Gavaskar: We've won earlier in West Indies(not the current weak team) and England. The statement is not right about being the best touring Indian team in 15-20 years.

Swann: Non sense statement and stats are present so it can't be hidden


Shastri getting what he deserves
 
We should not forget about the quality of teams we play now a days, this England side had out of form Cook and Root, their bowling was also nothing compared to their previous sides. Same with South Africa. Still we lost both the series.
In the coming Australia series, two of their main batsmen will not play, still if we are unable to beat them. Then shame on us.
 
CoA may ask Ravi Shastri to submit report on India's England tour

The Supreme Court appointed Committee of Administrators (CoA) will meet in Mumbai on September 11 to discuss implementation of new BCCI constitution. However, CoA will also brainstorm on India’s performance on their ongoing tour of England which will conclude after the fifth and final test Test currently underway at The Oval.

”There is a CoA meeting in Mumbai on September 11. While the main discussion will be on implementation of new constitution, the performance of England series will certainly come up for discussion,” a senior BCCI official was quoted as saying by PTI on Sunday.

However, it’s still not certain whether the CoA will hold a one-on-one discussion with India head coach Ravi Shastri or ask for a written report.

”It will be CoA’s call whether they want to meet Ravi Shastri in person or seek his feedback via written report. At this point in time, Cricket Advisory Committee (CAC) is non functional. Till elections are held, it’s CoA which will be in charge, so it’s only imperative that they will assess the performance,” the source further added.

As is the norm, either the BCCI president or secretary hold discussions with the coach/captain after each series but CoA has decided to take lead this time around.

The official also clarified that the team manager Sunil Subramanium’s duties hare limited to administrative purpose only and assessment of team’s performance doesn’t fall under his scope. The feedback will be sought from either captain Virat Kohli, Shastri or chief selector MSK Prasad.

”The manager’s report is a templated one. Sunil Subramanium’s duties are purely administrative and it has got nothing to do with cricketing performance. It will be purely based on logistics issues like accommodation, choice of food, travelling facilities, practice conditions etc. Sunil doesn’t have the mandate to write anything else. So cricketing feedback depends on either Shastri, Kohli or MSK,” the official said.

India were hit by injuries in their buildup to the England Test series which they have already lost 1-3. Jasprit Bumrah recovered from a thumb injury and was drafted into the playing XI in the third Test at Trent Bridge. However, Bhuvneshwar Kumar’s lower back issue forced him to be ruled out of the entire Test series. It was reported that Bhuvneshwar aggravated the problem during India’s third ODI against England in July.

In addition, R Ashwin played with an injury during the fourth Test and was subsequently ruled our from the final Test. CoA might be also raise questions in that regard.

”Was Bhuvneshwar Kumar forced into playing the third ODI despite back injury? Was Ravichandran Ashwin fully fit during the Southampton Test? In both case, the official word was aggravation of injury which proves there was an injury in first place. Hope CoA asks for this report,” PTI quoted another senior BCCI official as saying.

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news...o-submit-report-on-indias-england-tour-743896
 
And that should be the end of Shastri. Kohli isn't very good tactically so India should aim to hire coaches who are good tactically, can prepare the team better, and improve players.
 
India looked strong in SA.
English series too wouldn't read the same scorecard had India not lost all the tosses.
Strong start in Australia.

This is definitely a better performance than the period we had under Dhoni.
 
While a series win in Australia will be one of the greatest achievement, I would still not call this team the best Indian team ever.

The best was between 2007-2011. This is the best bowling attack ever though for India.
 
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