"Virat Kohli at No. 3 shapes more ODI wins than AB de Villiers" : Daryl Cullinan

[Pete Rose]

AB is super over rated.

He'll finish behind the likes of Viv, Kohil, Dhoni, Sachin, Ponting, Smith, KW and Root when all of them are done.

I agree with the gist of what you are saying. But his stats will be as good as the guys above. So a bit like Kallis, excellent aggregate, average, and strike rate, but still no trophy.

 

[Mamoon]

Cometh the moment, cometh the choke. Not only Kohli, but Root, Williamson and Amla have all shaped more wins in this tournament already. None of them will play a shot like that first up, especially in a situation like that.

Unquestionably the most overrated individual cricketer of all time. Very little substance for so much talent.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Just the 2nd duck since 2007.


Was quite nervous.

 

[ab041937]

Cometh the moment, cometh the choke. Not only Kohli, but Root, Williamson and Amla have all shaped more wins in this tournament already. None of them will play a shot like that first up, especially in a situation like that.

Unquestionably the most overrated individual cricketer of all time. Very little substance for so much talent.

Don't know what was there to choke. SA won its 1st match convincingly. Even after today's loss, they have 1 more chance against India to qualify. I am loss to understand on what did he choke.

 

[czar]

Why is he trying such flashy strokes right at the start? Take your time, get a hold of the wicket and spinners who are bowling so well but no all he wants is to get on with the scoring as soon as he is in.

 

[roshanrocks]

Just the 2nd duck since 2007.


Was quite nervous.

He was trying to be confident and not over-confident and finally became confused...

 

[Mamoon]

Don't know what was there to choke. SA won its 1st match convincingly. Even after today's loss, they have 1 more chance against India to qualify. I am loss to understand on what did he choke.

His own form is poor, and SA lost two key batsmen for nothing. He is not in a good mental space at the moment, which the dismissal exhibited.

Not to worry though, a 150 in 50 deliveries is around the corner, once Amla, de Kock and Faf put on 200 runs in the first 30 overs, so that de Villiers can take them to 400.

 

[sshakir411]

Cometh the moment, cometh the choke. Not only Kohli, but Root, Williamson and Amla have all shaped more wins in this tournament already. None of them will play a shot like that first up, especially in a situation like that.

Unquestionably the most overrated individual cricketer of all time. Very little substance for so much talent.

I'm sure this game isn't the 'moment'...no big deal if he didn't show up today...Pakistan needs to do a lot before they can pull an upset. AB's game against India is the pressure game where he needs to deliver.

 

[Mamoon]

I'm sure this game isn't the 'moment'...no big deal if he didn't show up today...Pakistan needs to do a lot before they can pull an upset. AB's game against India is the pressure game where he needs to deliver.

I don't agree. SA needs one more win to secure a place in the semis, and today is the day for them, because India poses a bigger threat. He was expecting them to coast, but the quick wickets clearly rattled him.

Regardless of what happens from here on, there is denying that he choked today.

 

[cr7great]

india will thrash these chokers

 

[Bilal7]

Cometh the moment, cometh the choke. Not only Kohli, but Root, Williamson and Amla have all shaped more wins in this tournament already. None of them will play a shot like that first up, especially in a situation like that.

Unquestionably the most overrated individual cricketer of all time. Very little substance for so much talent.

It wasn't a choke. It was laziness. Like you said, he was expecting South Africa to coast and did not seem to have much respect for Wasim.

I can't wait to see Kohli score another 1(13) in a big semi-final but his supporters persist in making him out to be some sort of clutch player. Expecting Kohli to get a massive hundred against his favorite opposition next game though.

 

[Cuts_and_cuts_hard]

Every time a SA batsman fails isn't a choke.

Real ABdV chokes:

1) Runout in quarter vs NZ in WC 2011 quarterfinal
2) missed runout chance vs NZ semifinal 2015 WC

This is just a failure.

 

[Ab Fan]

This is not a choke but an usual failure. South Africans took Pakistan very lightly after the beating they got Vs India and now had to pay for it.

Real pressure game would be against India as that will be a must win game for them.

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistani fans generally don't want to admit it, but Kohli is more clutch, a better batsman and a far better cricketer overall. He will go down in history as a bigger legend, of that there is no doubt.

 

[Buffet]

Batsmen will fail time to time and calling it a choke is misuse of this word.

 

[Mamoon]

It wasn't a choke. It was laziness. Like you said, he was expecting South Africa to coast and did not seem to have much respect for Wasim.

I can't wait to see Kohli score another 1(13) in a big semi-final but his supporters persist in making him out to be some sort of clutch player. Expecting Kohli to get a massive hundred against his favorite opposition next game though.

Kohli is better than de Villiers at every serious aspect of batting, and yes he's clutch. One failure or two doesn't override his ability to grab the game by the scruff of its neck and run away with it.

 

[Cuts_and_cuts_hard]

Kohli is better than AB at: chasing, playing under pressure, finding singles and twos easily
AB is better than Kohli at: Playing unconventional shots, playing destructive innings, choking.

 

[mikeypbadana]

Kohli has performed in high preassure t20 world cup semis/finals/amlost all high preassure matches in t20 .No where did he choke.He has hit the pick in 2016 and has 8 years of career around him.He will socre in knock out matches @ world cup . Tendulkar is a choker not kohli.He already established himself in international cricket by 2011 world cup.2015 is a failure but not a choke.

 

[Hasan123]

Not going to call ABD a choker but I'll take Kohli in a pressure situation.

 

[Chrish]

Form has been disastrous in Ipl and OdI for someone who is expert at managing workload.. Kohli at least till this date hasn't complained about being overworked

 

[Chrish]

If the Indians beat SL, they will probably throw the match against SA and mess it up for Pakistan !!!!!!!!!!!!

Those days of scheming are long gone.. Pakistan won't get far in the tourney regardless

 

[Hawkeye]

Pakistani fans generally don't want to admit it, but Kohli is more clutch, a better batsman and a far better cricketer overall. He will go down in history as a bigger legend, of that there is no doubt.

Kohli is better than de Villiers at every serious aspect of batting, and yes he's clutch. One failure or two doesn't override his ability to grab the game by the scruff of its neck and run away with it.

Kohli is a better ODI player and especially clutch player than Tendulkar.

And he's also a better pressure / clutch player than AB.

Nothing wrong in admitting that.

 

[Aman]

Batsmen will fail time to time and calling it a choke is misuse of this word.

You lost a match to Pakistan

If we had 5 world class players, we'd rule the sport.

 

[aniket1911]

I must say that I trust Kohli to win matches for me in ICC tournament against non minnows even if he is in bad form rather than AB even if he is in purple patch, and I say this as big fan of AB.

Both were awful in IPL but kohli grinded it out against Pakistan while AB played a loose shot after they just lost a wicket and may be out of the tournament if they don't win against much tougher opposition i.e India.

 

[Titan24]

I dont know why but since his return from injury, AB has become overly aggressive as a batsman while previously he used to take his time and than unleashed himself.

 

[pillionrider]

I dont know why but since his return from injury, AB has become overly aggressive as a batsman while previously he used to take his time and than unleashed himself.

It usually happens when you know your end is near and you don't trust your basic game anymore.

A similar thing happened with Sehwag towards the end of his career.

 

[Bilal7]

Kohli is better than de Villiers at every serious aspect of batting, and yes he's clutch. One failure or two doesn't override his ability to grab the game by the scruff of its neck and run away with it.

No, he doesn't play the moving ball as well, does not possess the same power-game/fifth gear that AB has and neither is Kohli capable of performing in Australia, South Africa and England. His average in those countries, against the home attacks is a meager 20 in matches that India has won. Who cares about how many matches he wins on the flat ODI pitches of Asia?

ABD is easily the more superior batsman, in both tests and ODIs. If people were to pick a T20 side, most would still pick AB regardless of Kohli's incredible stats. What happens in the future is unknown but as of now, de Villiers > Kohli.

 

[akki]

No, he doesn't play the moving ball as well, does not possess the same power-game/fifth gear that AB has and neither is Kohli capable of performing in Australia, South Africa and England. His average in those countries, against the home attacks is a meager 20 in matches that India has won. Who cares about how many matches he wins on the flat ODI pitches of Asia?

ABD is easily the more superior batsman, in both tests and ODIs. If people were to pick a T20 side, most would still pick AB regardless of Kohli's incredible stats. What happens in the future is unknown but as of now, de Villiers > Kohli.

Can you please provide kohli and abd villiers average and strike rate in every country be it in australia ,south africa , india everywhere...so that someone can actually think to take u seriously..but dnt manupulate stats like you exclude something like in win matches or loss matches or anything. We just need both batsman strike rate and average in whole world

Sharam ani chahiye...peet peet kr kohli ne har match me pakistan ka bhartha bna diya..sharam pher heni...pher kehnde yar mza ni aya kohli vdiya batdman heni.....matlb gairat heni...

 

[Zak_Fan]

Kohli is the best ODI batsman of his generation, period.

 

[SL_Fan]

AB's stocks truly are plummeting sad to say. Unreal bat skill-wise but just can't seem to handle pressure one bit, whether it be with the bat in hand or on the field.

 

[Cuts_and_cuts_hard]

No, he doesn't play the moving ball as well, does not possess the same power-game/fifth gear that AB has and neither is Kohli capable of performing in Australia, South Africa and England. His average in those countries, against the home attacks is a meager 20 in matches that India has won. Who cares about how many matches he wins on the flat ODI pitches of Asia?

Lol so you not only exclude all matches played in Asia as useless, but also exclude all his innings outside Asia which are not against the home side, AND exclude innings which didn't lead to a win.

This is the height of cherry picking, folks. I doubt it will ever be surpassed in terms of pointlessness.

 

[AMSS]

Lol so you not only exclude all matches played in Asia as useless, but also exclude all his innings outside Asia which are not against the home side, AND exclude innings which didn't lead to a win.

This is the height of cherry picking, folks. I doubt it will ever be surpassed in terms of pointlessness.

"But can he do it on a cold rainy night in Stoke?"

 

[captain crook]

No, he doesn't play the moving ball as well, does not possess the same power-game/fifth gear that AB has and neither is Kohli capable of performing in Australia, South Africa and England. His average in those countries, against the home attacks is a meager 20 in matches that India has won. Who cares about how many matches he wins on the flat ODI pitches of Asia?

ABD is easily the more superior batsman, in both tests and ODIs. If people were to pick a T20 side, most would still pick AB regardless of Kohli's incredible stats. What happens in the future is unknown but as of now, de Villiers > Kohli.

Bas kardo yaar.. Even as a Pakistani, I will happily admit that Kohli is superior and is moving to his best years. It's scary when you think. This is a guy who has not even reached his peak yet and already being compared with accomplished stars like Amla, ABD, Sanga. May ABD is good, but Kohli has been exceptional except for 1 series in England. He's also proving to be an exceptional captain. I'd happily trade our entire team for this guy. Genius player.

 

[Mamoon]

Bas kardo yaar.. Even as a Pakistani, I will happily admit that Kohli is superior and is moving to his best years. It's scary when you think. This is a guy who has not even reached his peak yet and already being compared with accomplished stars like Amla, ABD, Sanga. May ABD is good, but Kohli has been exceptional except for 1 series in England. He's also proving to be an exceptional captain. I'd happily trade our entire team for this guy. Genius player.

Kohli is the greatest cricketer of this era. No one else has his performance, leadership, aura and star power. The rest are midgets in front of him. This is the Kohli era, not the de Villiers, Amla, Sangakkara, Root, Williamson, Smith etc. era.

 

[Bilal7]

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The perennial choker chokes again!!! 0(5)

 

[Ozymandiasza]

Kohli is the greatest cricketer of this era. No one else has his performance, leadership, aura and star power. The rest are midgets in front of him. This is the Kohli era, not the de Villiers, Amla, Sangakkara, Root, Williamson, Smith etc. era.

What is aura and star power?

This thread disagrees with you, btw:

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...Comparing-22-current-recently-retired-players

After AB retires it will be Kohli's turn. He's a fine player, but there are many other very fine batsman in this era as well.

Here are some of AB's achievement in ODIs:

Fastest half-century in One day Internationals
Fastest century in One day Internationals
Fastest hundred and fifty in One day Internationals
Fastest player to reach 8000 runs in One Day Internationals
He holds the record for the most sixes in Cricket World Cup
He is the leading run scorer for South Africa in Cricket World Cup
He was part of the team in the 438 game, not a good innings from him, but he played
Only player in the world to have a 50+ average and a 100 strike rate
Hold the record for the highest batting average in a World Cups (min. 20 inns.)


Here's what other cricketers think of AB:

"I demand a DNA test of AB de Villiers. This game is only for humans" - Aakash Chopra

"AB de Villiers is changing the rules of the game" - Rahul Dravid

"Someone I've always watched and looked up to. He's an absolute class act & someone that I try to base my game on" - Glenn Maxwell on AB de Villiers

"AB de Villiers is the best batsman in the world by far. He shows it again and again" - Virat Kohli

"AB de Villiers is the definition of a cricketing genius" - Michael Vaughan

"de Villiers is the most complete player of the modern era" - VVS Laxman

"I have been saying for the past 30 years that Viv Richards has to be the batsman of all time but I am going to have to reassess that because this guy is something extraordinary" - Bob Willis on AB de Villiers

"AB de Villiers reminds me of my younger days. What a player!" - Chris Gayle (what a vain comment, heh)

"AB de Villiers is the most valuable cricketer on the planet" - Adam Gilchrist

"AB is like a mind-reading bloodhound. He can smell the emotions of the opposition and he predicts what they are going to do and how they will behave." - Dale Steyn

How can you call such a player a midget infront of Kohli? It's simply mind boggling.

 

[ToeCrusher2]

What is aura and star power?

This thread disagrees with you, btw:

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...Comparing-22-current-recently-retired-players

After AB retires it will be Kohli's turn. He's a fine player, but there are many other very fine batsman in this era as well.

Here are some of AB's achievement in ODIs:

Fastest half-century in One day Internationals
Fastest century in One day Internationals
Fastest hundred and fifty in One day Internationals
Fastest player to reach 8000 runs in One Day Internationals
He holds the record for the most sixes in Cricket World Cup
He is the leading run scorer for South Africa in Cricket World Cup
He was part of the team in the 438 game, not a good innings from him, but he played
Only player in the world to have a 50+ average and a 100 strike rate
Hold the record for the highest batting average in a World Cups (min. 20 inns.)


Here's what other cricketers think of AB:

"I demand a DNA test of AB de Villiers. This game is only for humans" - Aakash Chopra

"AB de Villiers is changing the rules of the game" - Rahul Dravid

"Someone I've always watched and looked up to. He's an absolute class act & someone that I try to base my game on" - Glenn Maxwell on AB de Villiers

"AB de Villiers is the best batsman in the world by far. He shows it again and again" - Virat Kohli

"AB de Villiers is the definition of a cricketing genius" - Michael Vaughan

"de Villiers is the most complete player of the modern era" - VVS Laxman

"I have been saying for the past 30 years that Viv Richards has to be the batsman of all time but I am going to have to reassess that because this guy is something extraordinary" - Bob Willis on AB de Villiers

"AB de Villiers reminds me of my younger days. What a player!" - Chris Gayle (what a vain comment, heh)

"AB de Villiers is the most valuable cricketer on the planet" - Adam Gilchrist

"AB is like a mind-reading bloodhound. He can smell the emotions of the opposition and he predicts what they are going to do and how they will behave." - Dale Steyn

How can you call such a player a midget infront of Kohli? It's simply mind boggling.

Lol Gayle was insulting devilliers, not praising him, he was praising himself

 

[Ozymandiasza]

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The perennial choker chokes again!!! 0(5)

In the traditional sense or the South African sense? The South African sense being, where you can substitute chokings with wide, no ball, losing, loss of wicket, misfield etc.

 

[Bilal7]

Lol so you not only exclude all matches played in Asia as useless, but also exclude all his innings outside Asia which are not against the home side, AND exclude innings which didn't lead to a win.

This is the height of cherry picking, folks. I doubt it will ever be surpassed in terms of pointlessness.

Yes, because this shows that his contribution to India's cause has been zilch in those countries against the home team. Bashing Sri Lanka in Australia or Pakistan in England doesn't prove anything. Getting outbatted by Smith in Australia doesn't prove anything. What he needs to do is to start winning India some games in those countries and not pull out 13-ball ducks whenever a challenge stares him in the face.

Kohli is the greatest cricketer of this era. No one else has his performance, leadership, aura and star power. The rest are midgets in front of him. This is the Kohli era, not the de Villiers, Amla, Sangakkara, Root, Williamson, Smith etc. era.

Yes, he's a superstar in India but a midget outside Asia. Time and time again, he has been embarrassed by conditions that support pacers or good pace bowling. ABD is comfortably better and Amla is his equal in the ODI format.

 

[Rotoman]

I loathe Kohli as well but lol I wouldn't be this silly... how absurd

 

[Bilal7]

In the traditional sense or the South African sense? The South African sense being, where you can substitute chokings with wide, no ball, losing, loss of wicket, misfield etc.

He's a bunny against good pace bowling and the Sri Lankans have bowled well but had this been a bilateral, Kohli would have scored two centuries in this game so I count this as a massive choke.

ABD would have scored 150 at a SR of 300 after the platform that the openers set. The best ODI batsman in the world.

 

[Mamoon]

What is aura and star power?

This thread disagrees with you, btw:

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...Comparing-22-current-recently-retired-players

After AB retires it will be Kohli's turn. He's a fine player, but there are many other very fine batsman in this era as well.

Here are some of AB's achievement in ODIs:

Fastest half-century in One day Internationals
Fastest century in One day Internationals
Fastest hundred and fifty in One day Internationals
Fastest player to reach 8000 runs in One Day Internationals
He holds the record for the most sixes in Cricket World Cup
He is the leading run scorer for South Africa in Cricket World Cup
He was part of the team in the 438 game, not a good innings from him, but he played
Only player in the world to have a 50+ average and a 100 strike rate
Hold the record for the highest batting average in a World Cups (min. 20 inns.)


Here's what other cricketers think of AB:

"I demand a DNA test of AB de Villiers. This game is only for humans" - Aakash Chopra

"AB de Villiers is changing the rules of the game" - Rahul Dravid

"Someone I've always watched and looked up to. He's an absolute class act & someone that I try to base my game on" - Glenn Maxwell on AB de Villiers

"AB de Villiers is the best batsman in the world by far. He shows it again and again" - Virat Kohli

"AB de Villiers is the definition of a cricketing genius" - Michael Vaughan

"de Villiers is the most complete player of the modern era" - VVS Laxman

"I have been saying for the past 30 years that Viv Richards has to be the batsman of all time but I am going to have to reassess that because this guy is something extraordinary" - Bob Willis on AB de Villiers

"AB de Villiers reminds me of my younger days. What a player!" - Chris Gayle (what a vain comment, heh)

"AB de Villiers is the most valuable cricketer on the planet" - Adam Gilchrist

"AB is like a mind-reading bloodhound. He can smell the emotions of the opposition and he predicts what they are going to do and how they will behave." - Dale Steyn

How can you call such a player a midget infront of Kohli? It's simply mind boggling.

Didn't need to copy paste quotes from google. Kohli will remembered more than any cricketer of this era 40-50 years down the line. Not only is he a better batsman, he is also a much better leader and a bigger star. Obviously, the latter has a lot to do with the fact that he plays for India.

He towers above every cricketer of the last 10 years, and de Villiers is a distant second.

 

[big_gamer007]

What is aura and star power?

This thread disagrees with you, btw:

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...Comparing-22-current-recently-retired-players

After AB retires it will be Kohli's turn. He's a fine player, but there are many other very fine batsman in this era as well.

Here are some of AB's achievement in ODIs:

Fastest half-century in One day Internationals
Fastest century in One day Internationals
Fastest hundred and fifty in One day Internationals
Fastest player to reach 8000 runs in One Day Internationals
He holds the record for the most sixes in Cricket World Cup
He is the leading run scorer for South Africa in Cricket World Cup
He was part of the team in the 438 game, not a good innings from him, but he played
Only player in the world to have a 50+ average and a 100 strike rate
Hold the record for the highest batting average in a World Cups (min. 20 inns.)


Here's what other cricketers think of AB:

"I demand a DNA test of AB de Villiers. This game is only for humans" - Aakash Chopra

"AB de Villiers is changing the rules of the game" - Rahul Dravid

"Someone I've always watched and looked up to. He's an absolute class act & someone that I try to base my game on" - Glenn Maxwell on AB de Villiers

"AB de Villiers is the best batsman in the world by far. He shows it again and again" - Virat Kohli

"AB de Villiers is the definition of a cricketing genius" - Michael Vaughan

"de Villiers is the most complete player of the modern era" - VVS Laxman

"I have been saying for the past 30 years that Viv Richards has to be the batsman of all time but I am going to have to reassess that because this guy is something extraordinary" - Bob Willis on AB de Villiers

"AB de Villiers reminds me of my younger days. What a player!" - Chris Gayle (what a vain comment, heh)

"AB de Villiers is the most valuable cricketer on the planet" - Adam Gilchrist

"AB is like a mind-reading bloodhound. He can smell the emotions of the opposition and he predicts what they are going to do and how they will behave." - Dale Steyn

How can you call such a player a midget infront of Kohli? It's simply mind boggling.

ABD is a genius batsmen I doubt anyone would ever deny that the shots he plays are unreal and he can accelerate at a much faster rate than Kohli.. ABD can strike at 300+ while Kohli caps at 200+.. Having said that Kohli still had 4-5 years over ABD and will surprise him as a batsmen by the end of his career in terms of records and big match performances by the end of his career..

 

[Mamoon]

He's a bunny against good pace bowling and the Sri Lankans have bowled well but had this been a bilateral, Kohli would have scored two centuries in this game so I count this as a massive choke.

ABD would have scored 150 at a SR of 300 after the platform that the openers set. The best ODI batsman in the world.

De Villiers is certainly the best "fair-weather" ODI batsman in the world. I'm not even sure if he is the best in his own team though, Amla, QdK and Faf do most of the dirty work while de Villiers hangs back to steal the spotlight in the end. If the top three fails and he has to do some dirty work, he fails quite frequently.

 

[todfod 11]

Ab is more destructive and talented than Kohli

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kohli is a big match winner hence he will always be considered a better player

 

[akki]

What is aura and star power?

This thread disagrees with you, btw:

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...Comparing-22-current-recently-retired-players

After AB retires it will be Kohli's turn. He's a fine player, but there are many other very fine batsman in this era as well.

Here are some of AB's achievement in ODIs:

Fastest half-century in One day Internationals
Fastest century in One day Internationals
Fastest hundred and fifty in One day Internationals
Fastest player to reach 8000 runs in One Day Internationals
He holds the record for the most sixes in Cricket World Cup
He is the leading run scorer for South Africa in Cricket World Cup
He was part of the team in the 438 game, not a good innings from him, but he played
Only player in the world to have a 50+ average and a 100 strike rate
Hold the record for the highest batting average in a World Cups (min. 20 inns.)


Here's what other cricketers think of AB:

"I demand a DNA test of AB de Villiers. This game is only for humans" - Aakash Chopra

"AB de Villiers is changing the rules of the game" - Rahul Dravid

"Someone I've always watched and looked up to. He's an absolute class act & someone that I try to base my game on" - Glenn Maxwell on AB de Villiers

"AB de Villiers is the best batsman in the world by far. He shows it again and again" - Virat Kohli

"AB de Villiers is the definition of a cricketing genius" - Michael Vaughan

"de Villiers is the most complete player of the modern era" - VVS Laxman

"I have been saying for the past 30 years that Viv Richards has to be the batsman of all time but I am going to have to reassess that because this guy is something extraordinary" - Bob Willis on AB de Villiers

"AB de Villiers reminds me of my younger days. What a player!" - Chris Gayle (what a vain comment, heh)

"AB de Villiers is the most valuable cricketer on the planet" - Adam Gilchrist

"AB is like a mind-reading bloodhound. He can smell the emotions of the opposition and he predicts what they are going to do and how they will behave." - Dale Steyn

How can you call such a player a midget infront of Kohli? It's simply mind boggling.

you want to hear quotes about kohli? are you ready? you wont be able to digest what legends have already said about kohli.

 

[todfod 11]

De Villiers is certainly the best "fair-weather" ODI batsman in the world. I'm not even sure if he is the best in his own team though, Amla, QdK and Faf do most of the dirty work while de Villiers hangs back to steal the spotlight in the end. If the top three fails and he has to do some dirty work, he fails quite frequently.

exactly right ... AbD just use the platform already set by others whereas kohli set the platform for others..

 

[Mamoon]

) )

The perennial choker chokes again!!! 0(5)

Perennial choker choked yesterday by playing all around Imad of all people. If it was a bilateral, he would have tucked it away for a single. However, to his defense, he has looked good in this tournament compared to his usual-self. De Villiers though, has been choking left right, both with the bat and in the field.

 

[Ozymandiasza]

Didn't need to copy paste quotes from google. Kohli will remembered more than any cricketer of this era 40-50 years down the line. Not only is he a better batsman, he is also a much better leader and a bigger star. Obviously, the latter has a lot to do with the fact that he plays for India.

He towers above every cricketer of the last 10 years, and de Villiers is a distant second.

Referring to the bold part: That all very well and good, being your opinion. Can you provide any proof of this? I haven't been able to find any conclusive proof of this. Whereas everything I've found and what people have compiled all point to AB.

 

[Bilal7]

De Villiers is certainly the best "fair-weather" ODI batsman in the world. I'm not even sure if he is the best in his own team though, Amla, QdK and Faf do most of the dirty work while de Villiers hangs back to steal the spotlight in the end. If the top three fails and he has to do some dirty work, he fails quite frequently.

Do you rate Kohli's five-ball duck as the most embarrassing choke of his career or is the 13 baller still king?

 

[Ozymandiasza]

Perennial choker choked yesterday by playing all around Imad of all people. If it was a bilateral, he would have tucked it away for a single. However, to his defense, he has looked good in this tournament compared to his usual-self. De Villiers though, has been choking left right, both with the bat and in the field.

Did you watch the SL game? He took a blinder and managed a magnificent run-out.

 

[akki]

He's a bunny against good pace bowling and the Sri Lankans have bowled well but had this been a bilateral, Kohli would have scored two centuries in this game so I count this as a massive choke.

ABD would have scored 150 at a SR of 300 after the platform that the openers set. The best ODI batsman in the world.

bhai tu na jeene daiyo bnde ko...pichli post me keh ra tha kohli will score hundred against sri lanka though.....but it will prove nothing....now you are saying kohli havnt scored run this match....even your whole batting line up combined from 1947 till 2017 will not make up to a single kohli...you know it very well..its okkk....I can even prove ajit agarkar or some random kumar better then wasim or waqar if i have to manipulate stats ..

 

[big_gamer007]

Kids these days don't even know what choke means.. A batsmen gets out and kids are quick to use words as choke.. Funny really every non 100 innings by any player will be called a choke at this rate 10 years from now..

 

[Bilal7]

Referring to the bold part: That all very well and good, being your opinion. Can you provide any proof of this? I haven't been able to find any conclusive proof of this. Whereas everything I've found and what people have compiled all point to AB.

Honestly, there is more evidence of Big Foot than there is of Kohli being a better batsman than de Villiers. Lol, at least AB played a lax shot yesterday which he will never do again. Kohli has been getting owned by swing and seam for years now.

 

[Ozymandiasza]

De Villiers is certainly the best "fair-weather" ODI batsman in the world. I'm not even sure if he is the best in his own team though, Amla, QdK and Faf do most of the dirty work while de Villiers hangs back to steal the spotlight in the end. If the top three fails and he has to do some dirty work, he fails quite frequently.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-england-2015-16/engine/match/800477.html

 

[dauntless]

Virat needs to perform in 2019 world cup if he has to become best batsman of this era.Though his record in bilateral series in chases is phenomenal! If I have to choose one I would go with AB.

 

[Mamoon]

exactly right ... AbD just use the platform already set by others whereas kohli set the platform for others..

The difference between the two was clear to me by the 2013 Champions Trophy already. In the semifinal against England in swinging conditions, Anderson was making the ball sing and South Africa were in trouble, and the captain de Villiers sent a bowling all-rounder (Peterson) ahead of him, because he did not have the guts to face the swing. He held himself back so that he can make hay when the ball stops swinging. However, cricket has a way of biting you back hard, and he got a duck and SA were eliminated.

In the final against the same opposition in similar difficult conditions, India lost Rohit early and Kohli steered them to a competitive total. A match that India won by 5 runs only.

Cricket is a game of character, and Kohli has that in abundance unlike de Villiers, who is arguably the most talented cricketer since Viv Richards. If Kohli had de Villiers' talent and if de Villiers had Kohli's character, there would be no debate on who the greatest batsman of all time is.

 

[Bilal7]

The difference between the two was clear to me by the 2013 Champions Trophy already. In the semifinal against England in swinging conditions, Anderson was making the ball sing and South Africa were in trouble, and the captain de Villiers sent a bowling all-rounder (Peterson) ahead of him, because he did not have the guts to face the swing. He held himself back so that he can make hay when the ball stops swinging. However, cricket has a way of biting you back hard, and he got a duck and SA were eliminated.

In the final against the same opposition in similar difficult conditions, India lost Rohit early and Kohli steered them to a competitive total. A match that India won by 5 runs only.

Cricket is a game of character, and Kohli has that in abundance unlike de Villiers, who is arguably the most talented cricketer since Viv Richards. If Kohli had de Villiers' talent and if de Villiers had Kohli's character, there would be no debate on who the greatest batsman of all time is.

The final was a T20 game, not an ODI game. Had it been an ODI game, Kohli would have added to his duck collection. Kohli may be a superb pressure batsman in T20s, however he has failed on the biggest stages in ODIs.

 

[Mamoon]

http://www.espncricinfo.com/south-africa-v-england-2015-16/engine/match/800477.html

''he fails quite frequently'' does not mean ''he always fails". However, it is a recurring pattern with him, unlike Kohli.

If you want to win big matches, chase big totals and want a batsman to grab the game by the scruff of its neck, Kohli is the go-to guy.

If you want to lose big matches, fail to chase big totals frequently and want a batsman to hide behind the top-order, de Villiers is the go-to guy. In addition, he is also your man if you want to convert 200 in 30 overs to 400. However, you can't bank on him to deliver in most of the situations that Kohli finds himself in and delivers. Be it ODIs or T20Is. Even in Tests, I am certain Kohli will surpass him in a few years.

 

[Mamoon]

The final was a T20 game, not an ODI game. Had it been an ODI game, Kohli would have added to his duck collection. Kohli may be a superb pressure batsman in T20s, however he has failed on the biggest stages in ODIs.

It doesn't matter how many overs were reduced. It was a Champions Trophy final and it was a high pressure game. Kohli has already proved himself as a clutch player in tournaments and he will definitely deliver for India in World Cups in the future. He is not Amla.

 

[Mamoon]

Did you watch the SL game? He took a blinder and managed a magnificent run-out.

Yes he is a great fielder.

 

[Mamoon]

Referring to the bold part: That all very well and good, being your opinion. Can you provide any proof of this? I haven't been able to find any conclusive proof of this. Whereas everything I've found and what people have compiled all point to AB.

What proof? Kohli wins more big matches for his team in ODIs and T20Is, and is the best chaser of all time. In Tests, he hasn't won India many games yet, but de Villiers was part of a much better Test side that had 4-5 elite players playing at the same time, and he was the weakest of the lot. De Villiers though, is certainly the most inventive and entertaining batsman of his time. However, the fact that SA have not won a single knockout match in any tournament due to his batting says everything that needs to be said about him.

He isn't a certified choker like Amla because he generally scores runs, but for some reason, he is never able to hold his nerve and take SA home.

 

[Bilal7]

It doesn't matter how many overs were reduced. It was a Champions Trophy final and it was a high pressure game. Kohli has already proved himself as a clutch player in tournaments and he will definitely deliver for India in World Cups in the future. He is not Amla.

Yes, just like Amir will become a Wasim Akram copy "in the future" or how Babar will break Sachin's ODI records "in the future". It doesn't matter what he does in the future, as of now he's a choker in ODIs and not at the level of AB.

A 20 overs game is a T20, not an ODI. Kohli is brilliant in T20s, not at the same level in ODIs.

 

[Mamoon]

Yes, just like Amir will become a Wasim Akram copy "in the future" or how Babar will break Sachin's ODI records "in the future". It doesn't matter what he does in the future, as of now he's a choker in ODIs and not at the level of AB.

A 20 overs game is a T20, not an ODI. Kohli is brilliant in T20s, not at the same level in ODIs.

Yes, because Amir is a close to Wasim an Babar is as close to Sachin's records as Kohli is to delivering for India in World Cups.

Kohli is literally one or two big World Cup innings away from becoming the GOAT ODI batsman. Amir is lightyears away from Wasim and Babar is lightyears away from Tendulkar. Obviously, if Kohli doesn't produce those one or two innings, he will not finish as an ODI GOAT.

 

[Bilal7]

Mamoon, the chickens have come to roost. You had a lot of fun after AB's unfortunate dismissal yesterday so it's quite entertaining to see you desperately trying to cover up Kohli's humiliating showing today with a bunch of nonsense. Stop bunching T20s with ODIs and provide examples, stats and facts to back up your statements.

 

[Mamoon]

Mamoon, the chickens have come to roost. You had a lot of fun after AB's unfortunate dismissal yesterday so it's quite entertaining to see you desperately trying to cover up Kohli's humiliating showing today with a bunch of nonsense. Stop bunching T20s with ODIs and provide examples, stats and facts to back up your statements.

I have nothing but admiration and respect for the way Kohli demolished us four days ago. Once again proving his superiority and dominance. Any player can fail on any given day, it is not a problem. However, if given the choice between the two, I will have Kohli over de Villiers in my team in the blink of an eye, so I agree with Cullinan.

 

[akki]

Mamoon, the chickens have come to roost. You had a lot of fun after AB's unfortunate dismissal yesterday so it's quite entertaining to see you desperately trying to cover up Kohli's humiliating showing today with a bunch of nonsense. Stop bunching T20s with ODIs and provide examples, stats and facts to back up your statements.

it means if 50 overs match reduced to 20 overs and conditions are overcast and its champions trophy final then its easier to bat becz it reduced to 20 overs......bhai knsa nasha krke post krta hi pehla yeh bta..yaha chad ti hi kuj ni..bai lgda neat hi khichda hi...��

 

[Bilal7]

Yes, because Amir is a close to Wasim an Babar is as close to Sachin's records as Kohli is to delivering for India in World Cups.

Kohli is literally one or two big World Cup innings away from becoming the GOAT ODI batsman. Amir is lightyears away from Wasim and Babar is lightyears away from Tendulkar. Obviously, if Kohli doesn't produce those one or two innings, he will not finish as an ODI GOAT.

Kohli is nowhere near that mark. How many away games has he won India against Australia, England and South Africa? How many out of a career of nearly 200 games? When has he not been humiliated by the moving ball? What's his record like when setting a target? How big is his big-match duck collection going to get?

Kohli is a great #3 batsman and is like a machine when it comes to chasing a target. However, he has far too many weaknesses and holes in his record to be anywhere near Viv Richards, Sachin Tendulker and AB de Villiers. He won't go down as an ATG because he'll end up choking spectacularly during the next WC as well.

 

[Ozymandiasza]

Yes he is a great fielder.

Perennial choker choked yesterday by playing all around Imad of all people. If it was a bilateral, he would have tucked it away for a single. However, to his defense, he has looked good in this tournament compared to his usual-self. De Villiers though, has been choking left right, both with the bat and in the field.

I don't understand then. AB was exceptional in the SL game in the field, how did he choke?

 

[Bilal7]

I have nothing but admiration and respect for the way Kohli demolished us four days ago. Once again proving his superiority and dominance. Any player can fail on any given day, it is not a problem. However, if given the choice between the two, I will have Kohli over de Villiers in my team in the blink of an eye, so I agree with Cullinan.

Sarfaraz had a real stinker. Apparently, he was persisting with spin when Kohli came out to bat instead of exploiting his weakness against pace and bringing back Amir.

 

[Mamoon]

I don't understand then.

Sorry, my mistake. I meant captaincy.

I may not have a taste for South African batsmen and bowlers, but their fielding is unparalleled. Rhodes, Gibbs, Kallis and now de Villiers.

 

[Mamoon]

Sarfaraz had a real stinker. Apparently, he was persisting with spin when Kohli came out to bat instead of exploiting his weakness against pace and bringing back Amir.

Yes it was poor captaincy, but Amir can't buy a wicket to save his life at the moment. Wouldn't have mattered.

 

[Ozymandiasza]

you want to hear quotes about kohli? are you ready? you wont be able to digest what legends have already said about kohli.

I'm still waiting btw. It would make an interesting read.

 

[pillionrider]

[MENTION=129948]Bilal7[/MENTION] Your desperation is now getting to the point of being silly. Just a few posts back in this thread, this is what you said.

Expecting Kohli to get a massive hundred against his favorite opposition next game though.

And all of a sudden, this is a choke. You have surely outdone yourself in this Kohli-bashing attempt.

Here, you need this...

 

[jnaveen1980]

Kohli thrives under pressure. ABDV is a 350 degree player when there is not much at stake. Under pressure he would struggle to pick even straight balls, long hops. Unquestionably talented but this one area he has to improve.

 

[Varun]

Cometh the big tournament, and AB '360' de Villiers has started out in typical fashion scoring a grand 4 and 0.

 

[Ozymandiasza]

Cometh the big tournament, and AB '360' de Villiers has started out in typical fashion scoring a grand 4 and 0.

I guess the World Cup doesn't count as a "big tournament" then?

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...career_batting_average.html?id=12;type=trophy

Notice how Kohli doesn't even feature on that list, yet look where AB is...

 

[SandyB]

Neither have done enough to be called GOATS YET..

ABD has issues like Sehwag, a sort of arrogance w.r.t playing style, which believes each and every ball can be whacked out of the stadium. Luckily ABD uses that only in ODIs and T20s. Given his skill he/team management always uses him as some sort of "turbo boost" option once a platform is set for SA. He never gets to do the sort of innings building VK always does coming down at no.3 . So it builds the impression of AB being "fair-weather".

ABD's decline is eerily similar to how Sehwag declined, of course ABD has a much better technique and has been known to adapt . SO he can cope better.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

It wasn't a choke. It was laziness. Like you said, he was expecting South Africa to coast and did not seem to have much respect for Wasim.

I can't wait to see Kohli score another 1(13) in a big semi-final but his supporters persist in making him out to be some sort of clutch player. Expecting Kohli to get a massive hundred against his favorite opposition next game though.

Pakistani fans generally don't want to admit it, but Kohli is more clutch, a better batsman and a far better cricketer overall. He will go down in history as a bigger legend, of that there is no doubt.

As a Pakistani I hate Kohli. As a Cricketer and International Sportsman I love Kohli.


1. Kohli is a clutch player

2. The best Odi batsman atm

3. The best Odi batsman under pressure situations

4. The best reader of the situations as a batsman.

5. Most intelligent LOI batsman.

6. Most fit LOI batsman.


Kohli is already a GOAT.


If he keeps batting like this than just after 5 years HE will enter the bracket of Test GsOAT too.

 

[Ozymandiasza]

"What a choke! Oh wow, can't even beat Sri Lanka )"