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Virat Kohli is immature, can’t take abuse: Kagiso Rabada

Rabada's performances have dropped of late. Even against Pakistan in South Africa he was only effective on fast bouncy wickets but became more manageable when the wickets flattened out
 
He has also been very poor in SC in test cricket. And some PPers were calling him the MVP of world cricket.
 
You don’t run your mouth against the King. Young Rabada has learned an important lesson.
 
He is not that good in Odis. But in test I think he along with cummins are the best 2 bowlers
 
10 overs, 65 runs, 0 wickets


Concentrate on your bowling mate :kohli
 
Among the leading quicks heading into the tournament only Boult has really enhanced his reputation.

Starc & Cummins have held steady & will have a chance to shine in the finals.

Bumrah & Rabada have disappointed slightly.

Amir has come good & looks a good bowler again, but not yet electric like he once was.

Archer has put his name forward as one to watch.
 
What has happened to Rabada??

He had a below par World Cup and has looked very unthreatening in the current test v India. Before that, even in the series against Pakistan he wasnt at his best. His pace also seems to be down.

Is it a case of being overworked? A temporary dip in form? Or is he a bowler that needs assistance of the pitch to aid him?
 
Sher Khan said:
He had a below par World Cup and has looked very unthreatening in the current test v India. Before that, even in the series against Pakistan he wasnt at his best. His pace also seems to be down.

Is it a case of being overworked? A temporary dip in form? Or is he a bowler that needs assistance of the pitch to aid him?
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He needs to be more aggressive on asian pitches. Bowl him in short bursts, bowl yorkers and bouncers, set a different field and be patient, wait for the reverse swing.

Having Steyn with him would have helped hi, Steyn mastered bowling in Asia and his record in Asia is on par with Wasim, Waqar, Imran and Shoaib.
 
his stats need correction he is a good bowler but his stats are inflated like Jadeja or Ashwin due to bowling on some over supporting tracks against batsmen who are clueless for those conditions.

I believe since readmission I would put DOnald and Steyn above his class and maybe even Young Pollock.

This is my rating
Steyn
Donald
Pollock=Rabada
Philander
Nitini
 
Xoib said:
his stats need correction he is a good bowler but his stats are inflated like Jadeja or Ashwin due to bowling on some over supporting tracks against batsmen who are clueless for those conditions.

I believe since readmission I would put DOnald and Steyn above his class and maybe even Young Pollock.

This is my rating
Steyn
Donald
Pollock=Rabada
Philander
Nitini
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Morne Morkel shoud be above Philander and Ntini in my opinion.
 
Mesozoic said:
Morne Morkel shoud be above Philander and Ntini in my opinion.
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Forgot Morne. For me he is sandwiched between Phialnder and Ntini for much of his first half test career he bowled a bit too short later improved on that with time.

Gun odi bowler though possibly just behind Donald in that format.
 
Danyaalr01 said:
He needs to be more aggressive on asian pitches. Bowl him in short bursts, bowl yorkers and bouncers, set a different field and be patient, wait for the reverse swing.

Having Steyn with him would have helped hi, Steyn mastered bowling in Asia and his record in Asia is on par with Wasim, Waqar, Imran and Shoaib.
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Being aggressive won't matter when you're not talented enough. Steyn is the only modern pacer who adapted to all conditions. Rabada, Anderson etc are great bowlers but not as good.

Steyn might as well be the greatest test bowler of all time, absolutely dominated ATG batsmen in 2000s and early 2010s (the worst period ever in test history for bowlers)
 
He is proven class, just going through a rough. Boult went through the same in 2016-2017 and he has bounced back in style. Only a matter of time before Rabada is back to his best.

A better all-round bowler than Steyn. Not comparing records obviously but taking their skills and abilities into consideration.

We also need to remember that Steyn played in a very strong team in his early career as well as during his peak, and his workload was managed very well.

Rabada bowls a lot more and he has to shoulder greater burden. It would be unfair to compare his stats to Steyn.
 
Joseph Gomes said:
Being aggressive won't matter when you're not talented enough. Steyn is the only modern pacer who adapted to all conditions. Rabada, Anderson etc are great bowlers but not as good.

Steyn might as well be the greatest test bowler of all time, absolutely dominated ATG batsmen in 2000s and early 2010s (the worst period ever in test history for bowlers)
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Steyn is one of the greats in Test cricket but his record is a bit inflated as well. Wasn’t special against Australia and England and has the luxury to not face South African batsmen who were phenomenal in Test cricket. Among the best batting lineups of his era, he only dominated India.

His record is very good in Asia but Faf was caught tampering twice in UAE and Sri Lanka, and he took a lot of wickets in those Tests. He also benefited greatly by having his workload managed in ODIs.

He is probably in the top 10 Test pacers of all time but putting him right at the top is overrating him.
 
Rabada is the type of bowler who bowls at the good length and relies on seam movement to get wickets, he also utilises the short ball well. He's happy to keep it in the channel outside off stump, that will never be successful in Asia, you need to target the stumps and try to hit the pads with pace. They key is to bowl short and back of a length after it stops swinging and be patient, once ot starts reversing then bowl fuller and traget the stumps with pace. Rabada needs to realise this.

Anderson wasn't successful in Asia because he wasn't hitting the right areas and didn't have pace, two things that Steyn had along with patience and a good brain to plan out his bowling. A plan is very important in Asia.

No one will be able to match Steyn in Asia (for a non-asian) because it is almost impossible to get all these ingredients - Pace, accuracy, patience, and a brain - that Styen had together.
 
Joseph Gomes said:
Being aggressive won't matter when you're not talented enough. Steyn is the only modern pacer who adapted to all conditions. Rabada, Anderson etc are great bowlers but not as good.

Steyn might as well be the greatest test bowler of all time, absolutely dominated ATG batsmen in 2000s and early 2010s (the worst period ever in test history for bowlers)
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Rabada is not talented enough?:uakmal Do you know what talent is? There isn't a skill he doesn't have in his armoury.
 
Mamoon said:
Steyn is one of the greats in Test cricket but his record is a bit inflated as well. Wasn’t special against Australia and England and has the luxury to not face South African batsmen who were phenomenal in Test cricket. Among the best batting lineups of his era, he only dominated India.

His record is very good in Asia but Faf was caught tampering twice in UAE and Sri Lanka, and he took a lot of wickets in those Tests. He also benefited greatly by having his workload managed in ODIs.

He is probably in the top 10 Test pacers of all time but putting him right at the top is overrating him.
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By that logic every asian spinner is rubbish, they never had to play their teammates who are the best batsmen of spin.
 
jagatk said:
By that logic every asian spinner is rubbish, they never had to play their teammates who are the best batsmen of spin.
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Not really. Pakistan is crap against spin, Sri Lanka have been poor after Sangakkara and Mahela and Bangladesh don’t know how to play Test cricket. Collectively, India is the only team that is masterful against spin right now.

If all the Asian teams are great against spin and if a particular spinner struggles against them while feasting on English, Australian, South African and New Zealand players, his record would be clearly inflated.

The four best batting lineups of Steyn’s peak (2008-2013) were South Africa, India, England and Australia (in no particular order). Yes these teams had their ups and downs at different periods, but generally speaking, during these 6 years where Steyn was at the peak of his powers, these aforementioned lineups were superior to Pakistan, New Zealand, Sri Lanka, West Indies and of course Bangladesh.

Steyn averages 31 vs England and 28 vs Australia. He didn’t face South Africa but his record against India is wonderful. However, an underwhelming record against two of the three best lineups of his era (since he cannot play South Africa) clearly indicates that he is not the greatest fast bowler of all time as some suggest.

Nonetheless, he is undoubtedly one of the best and putting him in the top 10 of all time seems quite reasonable to me. Had he dominated England and Australia like he dominated India, there would have been little doubt over his status as the best ever.
 
Mamoon said:
Not really. Pakistan is crap against spin, Sri Lanka have been poor after Sangakkara and Mahela and Bangladesh don’t know how to play Test cricket. Collectively, India is the only team that is masterful against spin right now.

If all the Asian teams are great against spin and if a particular spinner struggles against them while feasting on English, Australian, South African and New Zealand players, his record would be clearly inflated.

The four best batting lineups of Steyn’s peak (2008-2013) were South Africa, India, England and Australia (in no particular order). Yes these teams had their ups and downs at different periods, but generally speaking, during these 6 years where Steyn was at the peak of his powers, these aforementioned lineups were superior to Pakistan, New Zealand, Sri Lanka, West Indies and of course Bangladesh.

Steyn averages 31 vs England and 28 vs Australia. He didn’t face South Africa but his record against India is wonderful. However, an underwhelming record against two of the three best lineups of his era (since he cannot play South Africa) clearly indicates that he is not the greatest fast bowler of all time as some suggest.

Nonetheless, he is undoubtedly one of the best and putting him in the top 10 of all time seems quite reasonable to me. Had he dominated England and Australia like he dominated India, there would have been little doubt over his status as the best ever.
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if you put it that way then waqar isn't the greatest either. he averaged 30 plus against india in India. Not sure about wasim. might be wrong actually.
 
Rabada needs to bowl with more energy. Watch how Cummins bowled in India. Or how Shami bowls here.
 
no rabada is just overrated just like many other bowlers. He isn't good enough in subcontinent pitches. he averages 55.

There is only one great bowler from Australia who had a great average everywhere. That's mcgrath.
 
tyron_woodley said:
no rabada is just overrated just like many other bowlers. He isn't good enough in subcontinent pitches. he averages 55.

There is only one great bowler from Australia who had a great average everywhere. That's mcgrath.
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I also feel Rabada is bit overrated. He has skills for sure but he is definitely not the worlds best bowler. IMO Cummins and Bumrah are much better bowlers.
 
I guess some people are letting Rabada’s WC performances make them forget that what an exceptional talent Rabada is in tests. He is decent in ODIs but a test great in the making. One innings of a test in India doesnt define him.
 
Can't bowl on anything other than a greentop. Wicket-less so far.

The Ashwin of South Africa.
 
Virat Kohli stamps his authority on Rabada with an iconic big test hundred
 
Varun said:
Can't bowl on anything other than a greentop. Wicket-less so far.

The Ashwin of South Africa.
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Very unfair on Ashwin, Ashwin has won India many matches on flat pitches. Average score in India is MUCH higher than SA. SA is king of doctored pitches.
 
Rabada - De Kock incident

It seems the two had some exchange of love words during the ongoing 2nd test against India.

Very mature stuff from K G Rabada indeed.
 
Also got trolled by Kohli earlier, was clearly irritated today.

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Sh*t happens. Just like Ishant Sharma got a bit too heated with jadeja in aus tour (although was pretty entertaining to see)
 
Rabada has failed in subcontinent so far but he did bowl decently this game. At point he was 3-42.
 
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