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Glaring error from Shahid Afridi.

Amir bowled his second over in the 3rd over. He was then brought back in the 14th over. During that gap Kohli was allowed to settle in, adjust his technique for the wicket and build his innings. He did not have to face Amir for 11 overs.

Terrible captaincy from Afridi.
 
no slip for malik when yuvu was batting

too many boundary riders n singles conceded

amir brought back too late

terrible captaincy
 
Captaincy was no where. ..easy singles all around.

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Zaz said:
no slip for malik when yuvu was batting

too many boundary riders n singles conceded

amir brought back too late

terrible captaincy
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All these points are correct. Afridi's terrible, defensive captaincy has been the difference between the two teams.

His bowling has also been quite poor.

Kohli wasn't a controllable for him I suppose but for all other controllables, he has let himself and his team down.

Overall, not a great game for Pakistan.
 
Saj said:
Glaring error from Shahid Afridi.

Amir bowled his second over in the 3rd over. He was then brought back in the 14th over. During that gap Kohli was allowed to settle in, adjust his technique for the wicket and build his innings. He did not have to face Amir for 11 overs.


Terrible captaincy from Afridi.
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Yes not only that but he should of attacked at 23-3 . If we got kohli out we would of won quite comfortably .
If not bringing AMir back, attack with the spinners. Instead we got the usual formula of putting everyone on the boundary which allowed them to milk the bowling and get in.
For all his bravado he s a coward.
Saw that in his interview at the toss
 
He did beat his bat once and Kohli got a boundary the very next delivery. Would love to see a test match between the two :)
 
Kohli was in control

The great thing about Kohli is that he respects the bowler and he respects the passage of play.

He realises when a bowler has his tail up and ensures that he doesn't take any risks whatsoever against quality bowling. He knows that he can lay the anchor for a moment or two and let the storm pass because when it eventually does he can just charge forward in full throttle.

He did same with Aamir in Asia cup when he was bowling really well. Just saw him out till he finished the spell and then plundered runs off the others.

This is the difference between special batsmen like Kohli and Williamson and others like Rohit Sharma. These guys read the game and respect the oppositions bowling and the conditions
 
People might throw shoes at me, but I don't think Amir is a match for Kohli.
 
Agree with Slog.

Kohli is rated NOT JUST for his runs but the way he goes about during tough passages of play. That's what separates him from guys like Rohit who just don't read the game at all.

He and Gambo did the same in a WC finals too.
 
Poor captaincy from both Dhoni and Afridi today. If MSD have bowled Raina more, finished the quota of 4 overa for Ashwin and gave few to Yuvi...I dont see Pak scoring 118. It was a mistake to give the ball to Pandya. Even Yuvi was shaking his head.

Same way as you mentioned, Afridi should have bowled full quota of 4 overs of Amir. Though Amir was not bowling as good as he did in Asia cup and that Rohit sharma wicket was only due to poor shot than good bowling.

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Slog said:
Kohli was in control

The great thing about Kohli is that he respects the bowler and he respects the passage of play.

He realises when a bowler has his tail up and ensures that he doesn't take any risks whatsoever against quality bowling. He knows that he can lay the anchor for a moment or two and let the storm pass because when it eventually does he can just charge forward in full throttle.

He did same with Aamir in Asia cup when he was bowling really well. Just saw him out till he finished the spell and then plundered runs off the others.

This is the difference between special batsmen like Kohli and Williamson and others like Rohit Sharma. These guys read the game and respect the oppositions bowling and the conditions
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This.

This match perfectly proved the mental frailty of Rohit Sharma. Trying to take on Amir on a pitch where it's a bit difficult to time the ball. It was a brainfar* of biblical proportions from him.
 
Indian_Supporter said:
Poor captaincy from both Dhoni and Afridi today. If MSD have bowled Raina more, finished the quota of 4 overa for Ashwin and gave few to Yuvi...I dont see Pak scoring 118. It was a mistake to give the ball to Pandya. Even Yuvi was shaking his head.

Same way as you mentioned, Afridi should have bowled full quota of 4 overs of Amir. Though Amir was not bowling as good as he did in Asia cup and that Rohit sharma wicket was only due to poor shot than good bowling.

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this. I did not understand the blunder committed by Dhoni. The pitch was spinning soo much, and yet he asked his fast bowlers to bowl.

Ashwin did not even finish his quota, and he did not even ask Yuvraj to bowl aswell. This pitch was turning as hell.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Agree with Slog.

Kohli is rated NOT JUST for his runs but the way he goes about during tough passages of play. That's what separates him from guys like Rohit who just don't read the game at all.

He and Gambo did the same in a WC finals too.
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Terribly disappointed with Rohit today. He was timing beautifully. He went after Amir because his ego wanted him to. Not very clever..
 
Sandeep said:
Terribly disappointed with Rohit today. He was timing beautifully. He went after Amir because his ego wanted him to. Not very clever..
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Yeah....looked in perfect control before.

Purely ego shot. Would have been a six if it was the Kolkata patta but the ball gripped in this pitch and he was too early.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Yeah....looked in perfect control before.

Purely ego shot. Would have been a six if it was the Kolkata patta but the ball gripped in this pitch and he was too early.
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Looks like Rohit wants to prove a point to Amir. I can see a lot of friction if these guys play more often. Surprisingly, Kohli is friendlier of the two. Rohit has massive ego issues.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Yes Amir is better and ATG.
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Let's not have a go at AMir for our sad defeat.
AMir has hardly bowled to kohli since his return from the wildness - in Bangladesh he really troubled kohli and on another day he would of had him lbw.
Afridi stupidity meant we couldn't really see our best player against their best player until it was too late
 
Im Suds said:
Let's not have a go at AMir for our sad defeat.
AMir has hardly bowled to kohli since his return from the wildness - in Bangladesh he really troubled kohli and on another day he would of had him lbw.
Afridi stupidity meant we couldn't really see our best player against their best player until it was too late
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I am not having a go at Amir.

But till he starts winning us games, I can't compare him to Kohli.
 
Not afridis fault, he's just not a captain never has been. Best thing all round if he retires he is a liability playing 4 seamers on a turning track why take imad and nawaz if your not gonna play them on a spinners paradise. Pls have some self respect and go.


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Dr_Bassim said:
I am not having a go at Amir.

But till he starts winning us games, I can't compare him to Kohli.
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A) did AMir asked to be compared to kohli?
B) AMir has only just returned to cricket, to be fair kohli s been playing for a while now so a comparison is not tenable really
 
Dr_Bassim said:
I am not having a go at Amir.

But till he starts winning us games, I can't compare him to Kohli.
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How can a bowler who has a shot at only 4 overs win you games?

I remember Steyn back in the days giving mindboggling performances for DC in IPL yet their team would find ways to lose.

You can't ask Amir to win you games in LOI like that. It won't happen.

Batsmen control LOI more than bowlers. Same way, bowlers control Tests more than batsmen. Of course, both need a bare minimum performance from each other to win matches.
 
Amir bowled as well as he can on this pitch.

Kohli was just on a different level tonight.

Amir will have his days.
 
Sandeep said:
Looks like Rohit wants to prove a point to Amir. I can see a lot of friction if these guys play more often. Surprisingly, Kohli is friendlier of the two. Rohit has massive ego issues.
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What makes kohli successful is that on the field he doesnt let his ego come in between his plans to tackle a bowler.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
How can a bowler who has a shot at only 4 overs win you games?

I remember Steyn back in the days giving mindboggling performances for DC in IPL yet their team would find ways to lose.

You can't ask Amir to win you games in LOI like that. It won't happen.

Batsmen control LOI more than bowlers. Same way, bowlers control Tests more than batsmen. Of course, both need a bare minimum performance from each other to win matches.
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Tests exist too Bhai.

T20 is not the best format to rate Amir.
 
Madplayer said:
No match in LOIs when the ball stops swinging. I agree
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He absorbed everything Amir had to offer in the Asia Cup match as well, when the ball was really swinging.

Kohli is legendary player who is entering his peak years, while Amir has great potential but has a long way to go still, so this battle between the two is likely to remain one-sided for the next few years.
 
Mamoon said:
He absorbed everything Amir had to offer in the Asia Cup match as well, when the ball was really swinging.

Kohli is legendary player who is entering his peak years, while Amir has great potential but has a long way to go still, so this battle between the two is likely to remain one-sided for the next few years.
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Have to say yes although amir did trouble him on that green track initially. But that isn't much to write home about. Amir has a lot to prove. He hasn't won Pakistan a game against a decent opposition since his comback so he has been pretty much a non-factor so far.
 
Mamoon said:
People might throw shoes at me, but I don't think Amir is a match for Kohli.
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Even if you do think that, Amir is your best bowler by a mile. When you know you have to get the best batsman of the opposition out early to stand a chance, you have to get your strike bowler to go for it early. Not bowling him for 11 overs was just brain dead. He left Amir with no chance by the time he was brought back.
 
Of the current lot Rohit is the most talented, plays proper cricketing shots with timing but just too lazy to accept few things and lets his ego take control over the field.
 
Madplayer said:
Have to say yes although amir did trouble him on that green track initially. But that isn't much to write home about. Amir has a lot to prove. He hasn't won Pakistan a game against a decent opposition since his comback so he has been pretty much a non-factor so far.
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Hows he supposed to win a t20 in only 4 overs?
 
For Amir to win games he needs support from the other end, he' s just returned after 5 years and so far he has exceeded expectations. Our bowling attack is overrated to be honest, Wahab is in woeful form at the moment, Irfan just doesn't have any skill and you can never put your full trust in Sami.

Kohli is at his peak, it will be interesting to see if he can turn it up a notch in test cricket now and if he does he will surely be number one in the world across all formats.
 
Zaz said:
Hows he supposed to win a t20 in only 4 overs?
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If he could pick up 3 wickets he can win u the match.

But teams are playing out his 2 overs now.

Lets see what approach they use in ODI and tests.
 
Zaz said:
Hows he supposed to win a t20 in only 4 overs?
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By taking the wickets of main players like kohli , williamson(in the NZ series) who are actually the players who your other bowlers can't seem to get out. In short by making an impact on the game's eventual result. He hasn't done that in any of the matches he has played since his comeback.
 
AamchiMumbaikar said:
He did beat his bat once and Kohli got a boundary the very next delivery. Would love to see a test match between the two :)
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Game was over then. There was no pressure at all on Kohli at that stage of the match.
 
Saj said:
Game was over then. There was no pressure at all on Kohli at that stage of the match.
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Doubt on this pitch Amir could do much against him when he withstood him even on the swinging Bangla pitch
 
Dr_Bassim said:
If he could pick up 3 wickets he can win u the match.

But teams are playing out his 2 overs now.

Lets see what approach they use in ODI and tests.
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And that's where the other Pakistani bowlers should be justifying their selection, or is those guys bowling rubbish Amir's fault?
 
Saj said:
Game was over then. There was no pressure at all on Kohli at that stage of the match.
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Tbf Kohli never looked in trouble at all in the game. It was almost a flawless innings today from him on a difficult pitch.

But yeah, he should have been brought on earlier when Yuvi came in. Afridi bowled bad lines. The only one who could trouble Yuvi was Malik as he would spin the ball away from him, and tbf I think he beat Yuvi once or twice. But Kohli understood it and hit him for boundaries and forced Afridi to take him out of the attack with just an over. Later Wahab came on and just let out the pressure as he usually does nowadays.
 
Indiafan said:
Doubt on this pitch Amir could do much against him when he withstood him even on the swinging Bangla pitch
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You don't know for definite and neither do I.

What I am saying is that Afridi made a mistake of not giving Amir an over at Kohli. Who knows what could have happened.
 
Saj said:
And that's where the other Pakistani bowlers should be justifying their selection, or is those guys bowling rubbish Amir's fault?
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Sami actually bowled a good over.

Not sure why he was taken off after 02 wickets, but by then Amir's spell was finished.

In T20, you only get two overs at start to exert pressure, and if teams start to just play him out, the rest of our attack is in trouble.

However, still would like to see him in ODIs and tests to make some opinions.
 
He has only 24 deliveries, opposition tries to just play out his overs so difficult for him to pick bucket load of wickets and win it on his own. If the pitch assists then yes, he will pick 3/ 4 wickets like that asia cup match and set the game.
 
Awful captaincy

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Saj said:
You don't know for definite and neither do I.

What I am saying is that Afridi made a mistake of not giving Amir an over at Kohli. Who knows what could have happened.
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Ditto.

I would have given him one more there.

We were never gonna contain 118.
 
Saj said:
You don't know for definite and neither do I.

What I am saying is that Afridi made a mistake of not giving Amir an over at Kohli. Who knows what could have happened.
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I know what could have happened, Kohli would have played out his over with 4 singles without any risks. If the match went down to the wire, Amir would have been left with only 1 over in the last 5.
 
AamchiMumbaikar said:
I know what could have happened, Kohli would have played out his over with 4 singles without any risks. If the match went down to the wire, Amir would have been left with only 1 over in the last 5.
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Unrealistic to expect a match going to wire with 118 on board.
 
Dr_Bassim said:
In T20, you only get two overs at start to exert pressure, and if teams start to just play him out, the rest of our attack is in trouble.
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There's no written law that a bowler can only have 2 overs at the start.

A 3rd over at that time for Amir against Kohli and anything was possible.

To not bring him back for 10 or 11 overs was ridiculous.
 
From what I have seen till now, Kohli is someone who can handle Amir well.

Till now, its 2-0 for Kohli.

Cant say for Tests till we dont see it happening.
 
Kohli unlike our Pakistani batsmen actually has self confidence, belief and a brain. He knows the strengths and weaknesses of the opposition bowlers. The moment Wahab came on to bowl, he immediately scored 2 boundaries. When Sami came on, he scored 2 boundaries. When Malik came on he used the sweep shot to score a 4 and a six.

On the other hand he was very careful and circumspect against Amir only putting away the real bad delivery.

Kohli is a master at dabbing the ball to third man for a single or working the ball off the stumps for singles and using his wrists to drive through the offside against the spinners for boundaries.

You have to be really disciplined against him. Just depending on one bowler is not good enough. He will just play out Amir and make merry at the others.
 
If people are trying to compare Amir and Kholi its pathetic in such a format.

I've said this before and say it again. I will not even say Amir has the better of Rohit just because he got him twice.

Tests is the best judgement, ODIs less so but better than 20/20 at least.

Kohli take a bow though, amazing batsman in the LOIs. He always seems to adjust to the conditions and paces his innings perfectly. Never seems to get under pressure. Def better than Root.
 
Saj said:
There's no written law that a bowler can only have 2 overs at the start.

A 3rd over at that time for Amir against Kohli and anything was possible.

To not bring him back for 10 or 11 overs was ridiculous.
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Totally agree. Poor captaincy at the critical time. Maybe Kohli would Have played it without problems but could have at least put Yuvi under more pressure.

Anyway Afridis captaincy isn't going to improve much so let's hope the next captain has a bit more sense to go for the kill.
 
Amir is returning back to international cricket, let us give him some more time.
Any ways, it will be a great dual.
 
90MPH said:
If people are trying to compare Amir and Kholi its pathetic in such a format.

I've said this before and say it again. I will not even say Amir has the better of Rohit just because he got him twice.

Tests is the best judgement, ODIs less so but better than 20/20 at least.

Kohli take a bow though, amazing batsman in the LOIs. He always seems to adjust to the conditions and paces his innings perfectly. Never seems to get under pressure. Def better than Root.
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Don't think he is better than Root. England don't play enough Limited Overs.

He scored back to back hundreds in SA ODI series and pulled off a blinder vs SA again yesterday.

I'd say they are in the same class.
 
Mamoon said:
Don't think he is better than Root. England don't play enough Limited Overs.

He scored back to back hundreds in SA ODI series and pulled off a blinder vs SA again yesterday.

I'd say they are in the same class.
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It's debatable but I have seen more consistency from Kholi overall if you take all formats combined.

Root is a better Test bat though.
 
Saj said:
Glaring error from Shahid Afridi.

Amir bowled his second over in the 3rd over. He was then brought back in the 14th over. During that gap Kohli was allowed to settle in, adjust his technique for the wicket and build his innings. He did not have to face Amir for 11 overs.

Terrible captaincy from Afridi.
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Its a case of damned if he did and damned if he didnt. Had Kohli safely seen Amir on early and exploded in the end, Afridi would have been blamed for not saving Amir's overs. So not sure i agree with this comment ..
 
Here's the bottom line - even a phenomenal, world class bowler in T20s can only bowl 4 overs. And if you surround him with crap, a decent or disciplined side (India) can just see him off.

For Amir to be a game changer, he has to get multiple wickets up front, or in total. Not even the greatest do that every match. But more often than not, anything he does will get undone by Irfan, Wahab, Afridi, Malik, pick your poison.

But a world class great batsman? He can win you a game every match.

Truly, when i see Kohli at the crease, even in the first ball he faces, I just can't imagine how anyone gets him out. And it feels like he just doesn't get out under 40. What he did vs NZ was like such a disappointment for him which he talked about, and he scored 23 off 27! That would be like incredibly acceptable for Pakistan.

Any good team can see Amir off. But even a good team can rarely cope with Kohli. That's the difference, and that will always be the difference unless you surround Amir with anyone worth their weight in talent.
 
Mamoon said:
People might throw shoes at me, but I don't think Amir is a match for Kohli.
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WOW..Unbelievable assesment. Amazing how you determined that considering he's bowled just 20 balls to Kohli in international cricket. Didn't expect such a knee jerk expression from you of all people. Atleast wait for a proper battle between them in a proper spell in real cricket (not tamasha cricket).
 
What's with the unrealistic expectations from Amir. With people saying he doesn't win matches. lol ridiculous. He has 4 overs to bowl in the match (3 due to horrendous captaincy), And by his 3rd over in yesterdays match they had 6 wickets in hand and less than 20 runs to win in less than a run a bowl, I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure even the greatest bowlers of all time couldn't be able to defend that.
 
TheNightWatchman said:
WOW..Unbelievable assesment. Amazing how you determined that considering he's bowled just 20 balls to Kohli in international cricket. Didn't expect such a knee jerk expression from you of all people. Atleast wait for a proper battle between them in a proper spell in real cricket (not tamasha cricket).
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He is a diehard Kohli fan who vastly overrates Kohli. Hence his bias against Amla and De Villiers, both of whom are better players than Kohli.
 
bala977 said:
Its a case of damned if he did and damned if he didnt. Had Kohli safely seen Amir on early and exploded in the end, Afridi would have been blamed for not saving Amir's overs. So not sure i agree with this comment ..
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Totally disagree. Amir was bowling well, Kohli was new at the crease and under pressure. That was the time for Amir to attack him and to try and get him out and create more pressure.
 
street cricketer said:
Tbf Kohli never looked in trouble at all in the game. It was almost a flawless innings today from him on a difficult pitch.

But yeah, he should have been brought on earlier when Yuvi came in. Afridi bowled bad lines. The only one who could trouble Yuvi was Malik as he would spin the ball away from him, and tbf I think he beat Yuvi once or twice. But Kohli understood it and hit him for boundaries and forced Afridi to take him out of the attack with just an over. Later Wahab came on and just let out the pressure as he usually does nowadays.
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Wrong.. I watched in HD and his knees were trembling :akhtar

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what the? Amir hardly got to bowl to kohli when kohli came on amir was taken off and sami started bowling.
 
Saj said:
Totally disagree. Amir was bowling well, Kohli was new at the crease and under pressure. That was the time for Amir to attack him and to try and get him out and create more pressure.
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You are wrong. Kohli was never under pressure at any point of time..
 
hk031992 said:
He is a diehard Kohli fan who vastly overrates Kohli. Hence his bias against Amla and De Villiers, both of whom are better players than Kohli.
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Well I agree with the statement that he's better than deVIlliers and Amla. I'd back him up over them in a pressure situation any day. But saying that Amir isn't a match for Kohli doesn't make sense. Kohli isn't god. We all know how Kohli does against the swinging ball. Given the right conditions Amir could make Kohli his bunny. But he's been back in cricket for just 2 months. What does he expect. For Amir to decimate Kohli's stumps every match?
 
kaayal said:
You are wrong. Kohli was never under pressure at any point of time..
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He might not have been under pressure. But it was a pressure situation. They were 3 down early. And the best chance to get Kohli is to get him early. Instead Afridi made sure Kohli played according to his strengths which was spin. To get Kohli out you needed to bowl your best bowler which was obviously Amir
 
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