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Virat Kohli versus Mohammad Amir. The non-event

Saj said:
You don't know for definite and neither do I.

What I am saying is that Afridi made a mistake of not giving Amir an over at Kohli. Who knows what could have happened.
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Amir went off the field after his 1st spell, I remember seeing Anwar Ali on the field till about the 10th over or so.
 
TheNightWatchman said:
Well I agree with the statement that he's better than deVIlliers and Amla. I'd back him up over them in a pressure situation any day. But saying that Amir isn't a match for Kohli doesn't make sense. Kohli isn't god. We all know how Kohli does against the swinging ball. Given the right conditions Amir could make Kohli his bunny. But he's been back in cricket for just 2 months. What does he expect. For Amir to decimate Kohli's stumps every match?
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Kohli today is not the same player as he was 2 years ago when he failed in England. He has tightened his technique.

Kohli of 2014 would not have survived Amir in Asia Cup, and today's Kohli wouldn't struggle against Junaid like he did in 2012.

Amir is a real talent but he has a long way to go still, that's why I said that Kohli should win this battle for the next few years.
 
hk031992 said:
He is a diehard Kohli fan who vastly overrates Kohli. Hence his bias against Amla and De Villiers, both of whom are better players than Kohli.
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Amla is better in Tests but let's not forget that he is a good 5-6 years older. He was around Kohli's age in 2010 when he found his zone in Tests.

Kohli for his age is a better Test batsman than Amla back in the day. In Limited Overs, Amla is a joke under pressure, so I don't know what you are talking about.

de Villiers is miles better than Amla but I'd put my faith in Kohli in a pressure situation.
 
Amir has long long way to prove himself but kohli is on another level and probably the best batsman on the earth in all three formats better than AB and others at the moment
 
Well, Amir was given the right conditions in Bangladesh in asia cup and bowled a lot at kohli, the result is there for all to see.
 
I think Amir is a bigger talent than Kohli. Even with absence of 5 years of quality cricket he is performing very well. Take out Kohli for five years and bring him back and then judge.
 
Kohli is absolute beast and best in the world without any shadow of doubt, but to say amir is no match for kohli is OTT, if not he than who is, i can't think of more complete fast bowler than him, only starc in LOIs, or rabada in tests come close, i know amir still have to prove his potential on the field over a significant period, but even seeing his current potential nobody can deny this that if he is not absolute best bowler but he defo is one of the best in business.
 
Cricket-passion said:
I think Amir is a bigger talent than Kohli. Even with absence of 5 years of quality cricket he is performing very well. Take out Kohli for five years and bring him back and then judge.
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Integrity and work ethic is also part of 'talent'.

Integrity is also an attribute that Amir lacked six years back. If he didn't play for 5 years, it was no ones fault but his own. So why should Kohli be penalised for not fixing against his nation?

Agreed, saying Amir is no match for kohli is OTT, but so is your comment.


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Clearly after Sami's double wicket over. Afridi should have gone with Amir for one over.

Though i think match was lost more because Afridi bowled poorly on a turner. If he himself bowled well there would have been pressure on India after being 28/3
 
Poor Captaincy from Afridi, If Amir was available then why he don't send to bowl to Virat...
 
ali83 said:
Well, Amir was given the right conditions in Bangladesh in asia cup and bowled a lot at kohli, the result is there for all to see.
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Point of the thread is that we should have tried our best bowler to dislodge their best batter when he was new at the crease.
 
Adijazz1706 said:
We've seen Kohli's stronger suit (LOIs) but not his weaker suit (Tests). Need to see some Tests to decide who is better.
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Only in England. He's done incredibly well in every other country in tests.
 
Adijazz1706 said:
Last home series averaged in low 30s. Overall average in low 40s. Incredibly well is overstating it.
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Except Rahane(average 53.2) no one even averages above 36 (ABD) in that series so 33 is not bad,also he averages 68 in South Africa against them.
 
JaDed said:
Except Rahane(average 53.2) no one even averages above 36 (ABD) in that series so 33 is not bad,also he averages 68 in South Africa against them.
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He scored ~130 runs in the last test (Easier pitch) iirc and ~60 runs in the 2 tests before that.
 
Adijazz1706 said:
He scored ~130 runs in the last test (Easier pitch) iirc and ~60 runs in the 2 tests before that.
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Even the so called best test bat of Saffers Amla's average was 16, Kohli had higher average than him in that series and only 3 lower than ABD(36) ,its about the level of scores in that series which were very low and not sure how the last pitch was easier?Only Rahane scored well there too and stands big with above 50 average.
 
Adijazz1706 said:
Last home series averaged in low 30s. Overall average in low 40s. Incredibly well is overstating it.
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His was incredible against AUS in AUS and against SA in SA. He was very good against NZ in NZ as well. He failed miserably in Eng and the home series vs SA was just a grave yard for batsmen.
 
rhony said:
His was incredible against AUS in AUS and against SA in SA. He was very good against NZ in NZ as well. He failed miserably in Eng and the home series vs SA was just a grave yard for batsmen.
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Overall average of 44 is not good. Patchy performances in Tests so far.
 
kaayal said:
You are wrong. Kohli was never under pressure at any point of time..
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No you are wrong because you are failing to understand the point that many of us making in this thread.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
How can a bowler who has a shot at only 4 overs win you games?

I remember Steyn back in the days giving mindboggling performances for DC in IPL yet their team would find ways to lose.

You can't ask Amir to win you games in LOI like that. It won't happen.

Batsmen control LOI more than bowlers. Same way, bowlers control Tests more than batsmen. Of course, both need a bare minimum performance from each other to win matches.
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A batsman only gets one chance to survive .
 
Personally felt that Amir should have been brought back on as soon as Sami took those 2 wickets. Just seemed like such an obvious thing to do.
 
mp812rediff said:
A batsman only gets one chance to survive .
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Still....T20 is a batsman's game.

A bowler has just 4 overs to make an impact.

Batsman can play off a good bowler (by blocking him completely) and make hay against others. A bowler bowling like a dream can still end up with a figure like 4-1-10-1 while a batsman batting like a dream can win the game for his team.
 
both the balls were juicy Hit me balls, Kohli deserves the spanking for being too big headed.Dreadful form continues and now add dreadful captaincy to it
 
Sachin136 said:
One dismissal and now it is the other way around.
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He actually got him twice in two balls had it not been for the dropped catch.

But i think most of in guys are missIn the big picture. When there is scoreboard pressure, even the best of them can make mistakes. It's just our have to bowl aggressively and take wickets. In Pakistan vs India games, for some odd reason Pakistan had that scoreboard pressure even before the game started. For years we were playing defensive cricket with defensive bowling and batting and it allowed Indians to get away.

But I think we have seen now that whether it's de villiers, root, stokes, Kohli, doesn't matter .. if you have runs to back you and if you bowl to get them out, you will have a better chance of succeeding than siting back and hoping they would make a mistake and setting defensive fields and bowling defensive lines.

They had a fifth stump plan. Commentators knew it, we knew it, heck Kohli himself knew it and yet he fell for it. Thats scoreboard pressure, right there.
 
The legend All Time Great Kohli was dismissed twice in a row by ordinary bowler Amir :yk
 
Sachin136 said:
One dismissal and now it is the other way around.
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OK then, how about three dismissals in three consecutive matches against the same bowler?

And when has Kohli ever comprehensively dominated Aamir?
 
[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] do you really think Amir is no match to Kohli??

When Amir is on song, he is Gold standard of fast and swing bowling at the same time, we saw that in 2010 and just in final. There are very few, if any bowler who could bowl like him on such a flat deck. I also hope, he starts pitching up more often from now onward. One of his biggest disappointment for us Pakistani fans is his length, not full enough to make Batsmen play most of the time, maybe a aggressive Captain like Sarfraz and rise of Hasan will help him find his aggressive length...

Other Good thing about Amir is that he is a big match player, raises his game at important moments. Against SL, he came back strongly and got wickets and then partnership of 75, he looked more assured and clam than Sarfraz, not a single faulty shot. Against SA, his death bowling was remarkable, the way he grounded miller is as classic yorker as Ws...Even in Aisa Cup, he was switched on more than anybody else...


As I said in another thread, those 12 dropped catches, means he had to bowl 100 extra overs in test last year, 350 instead of 250, that's a lot of toll on body, not to mention lack of wickets makes you lot more tired... Last year, Pakistan played 8/9 test in 6 months, normally we play 6/7 in a year and he bowled most overs (from a seamer) in those test, that's a lot of work load for year one of return. Hopefully things will get better from here...Its a start of new Reign of Pakistani bowling, Amir and Hasan, both can swing at 140+...
 
Kohli generally avoids taking risk against Amir. he sees off his overs so to say he is no match for Kohli is not quite accurate. even in the game Pak conceded 320 odd runs in 48 overs Amir was the least expensive bowler with 32 runs in 8 odd overs. Amir has been no doubt the best bowler for Pakistan since his comeback.
 
I have to admit when Azhar Ali dropped Kohli, I thought that was it and Kohli would go on and win the match for India.
 
Saj said:
I have to admit when Azhar Ali dropped Kohli, I thought that was it and Kohli would go on and win the match for India.
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I was so calm, Junaid Khan was getting the ball to do a bit as well; Kohli tends to thrive against inferior bowling attacks and favourable conditions, he also seems to go missing when it comes to the pressure of a final. If Amir didn't have him the second time round it would have been either Junaid Khan or Hasan Ali.
 
shaz619 said:
I was so calm, Junaid Khan was getting the ball to do a bit as well; Kohli tends to thrive against inferior bowling attacks and favourable conditions, he also seems to go missing when it comes to the pressure of a final. If Amir didn't have him the second time round it would have been either Junaid Khan or Hasan Ali.
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I told my brother that Kohli wouldn't get a big score today. This is solely because I saw his body language as we scored over 300 when the camera panned to him and he looked timid. For the first time in a long time it looked like the pressure got to the greatest chaser in ODIs. I knew from then, the moment got to him and his captaincy was alike to his batting performance: pathetic.
 
Kohli cannot play ball which move inch off the pitch. FTB if there ever was one. But being number 1 in ODI despite being FTB isn't easy feat either.
 
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