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That’s majority’s opinion if not Sehwag will be Goat.
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Virat Kohli vs Kane Williamson vs Joe Root vs Steven Smith: Who would you pick in your team?
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In that logic even Root is a dud captain.. Steve Smith a cheating one..Yes the goat who captained his team into a minnow in a single year.
I wish they never removed him, would be a treat to watch him captain till 2011
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The story of how Joe Root made the king his slave.
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Fundamentally, No. I agree that the hardest places to tour during his days have been South Africa, India, Newzealand and Australia, just that he has been reasonably successful in two of three countries you've listed.
Now, for trying to discount getting flat tracks as if that is something Root can control, I hope you also constantly remove a quarter of the careers of the likes of Sangakkara, Ponting, Sobers and so forth because they played in very batsmen friendly eras as well while Root gets an odd flat series here and there.
for example, you point out that he had flat tours in the 2016 tour, but you ignore that he made one of his best hundreds in india, another great 84 in the next match and a 219 that won us a game in India, one of like the four times India has lost at home on last decade or so, he has enough great individual performance and has been consistent as a batsmen in india, that's more than what anyone else bar perhaps Steven Smith can even say they've done in India.
the above consistency with enough great knocks is also reflected in stats, 3 tons in 30 innings is fine against the quality India has produced, and he has been consistent while he wasted three games as England's lead spinner in India earlier this year.
now for South Africa, again, his century at Wanderers won us a tour of South Africa, against prime Rabada who ran through the rest of the English lineup, that's very impactful if you ask me, his inning at the first game at Kingsmead was also important to the victory and gave us a good score.
now, while 50s obviously aren't as impactful as 100s, his performance was important at Wanderors in 2020 as well, and also in Newlands.
one ATG tour of South Africa, one decent tour while Root was at his career worst, I mean, what else do you want? under him England has won two tours of SA
while I agree with elements of your sentiment, the flaw is you're extending his struggles in Australia to develope non-existent struggles in South Africa and India, while many ATG players like Sangakkara/Ponting/Dravid/Miandad/Chappel and so forth.
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I am not claiming that he has done poorly in SA/Ind/Aus/NZ taken together. I was pointing out that he has failed to go big in 4 toughest place with any consistency. He is a top class batsman with a good average collectively in those countries. You can notice that I am not simply counting his struggle in Aus. Many great batsmen have struggled in one venue.
I will never make an argument that so and so did not score big in 1 or even 2 venues. But if you have just 5-6 tons in home of toughest 4 oppositions during your career despite getting around 90 innings then it's a problem. It's not a problem in calling Root a top class batsman, but it's a problem while making a case for top tier. He has lots of starts and then he gets out after 50-60 runs. Those runs often have very little impact.
Anderson has most test wickets as pacer in entire history and yet he has just 4 5-fers in Aus/SA/Ind/NZ in 102 attempts. It's some what similar situation for Root. Anderson lacked the ability to run through batting line up in home of toughest 4 oppositions and Root lacks the ability to go big agaisnt the same oppositions in their den. In cricket , we never had more than 3-4 good teams at any time and consistenly scoring tons or picking 5-fers in den of top 3-4 teams is hardest job and top tier players do that with some consistentcy.
I just picked top 4 teams in 35 years to compare across era but even with inclusion of NZ, Root is not doing well in scoring heavily. Now it's Aus, SA, Eng, Ind and NZ. Only 8 test nations have played cricket at decent level any time in history, so we are left with only bottom 3.
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Kohli has 9 more ODI tons than Smith, Root and Williamson combined.
Kohli - 50 tons
Root+ Williamson+ Smith - 16+13+12 =41
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Sorry to disappoint you but Kohli already won ICC cricketer of the 2010s Decade award.
His achievements
- POTS in 2014 T20 World Cup
- POTS in 2016 T20 World Cup
- POTS in 2023 ODI World Cup
- Highest run scorer of 2022 T20 World Cup
No other cricketer has won 2 ICC Player of the tournament (POTS) Award, while Kohli already has 3.
No denying Root is certainly ahead of Kohli in Tests, he is still no king yet. Not with his impact less performance in every Ashes series besides 2015 one. When was the last time England won the Ashes series?
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Smith is superior to Kohli in test only.Kohli has 9 more ODI tons than Smith, Root and Williamson combined.
Kohli - 50 tons
Root+ Williamson+ Smith - 16+13+12 =41
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"The story of how Kohli made Smith, Root and Williamson his slave."
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In odi kohli is obviously superior lol.
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just to be clear and consistent however, I've Tendulkar/Lara/Punter above Root.
he has 3 tons in 30 innings in India, which is completely fine considering the attacks he has faced and the workload he has taken with both the bat and the ball, he has 1 in 15 in South Africa but again, that was a series winning century against an ATG attack and he has 2 in Newzealand and a 95 which was basically about a hundred, so his newzealand isn't a flaw either, when you take these countries into account that's 6 hundreds in 61 innings, which considering the quality of attacks and the important of that one hundred in south africa is a completely fine statistic in my eyes, as well as two of these centuries were converted into double hundreds and one led to a win in an India that has lost only 4 home tests of their last 50 tests.
now, he has gone 27 innings in Australia without a hundred and with 9 fifties which is a completely fair criticism point, but that is what I mean by the flaw of the argument being enchained into mixing all the countries together, suddenly the 6 in 61 becomes 6 in 88, and that implies struggle in all four countries when that really cannot be further from the truth.
in my opinion, you'd have a better and more hrgument if you simply focus on Australia rather than accidentally use Australia to make his away stats look worse than they are.
The weakness of this argument is the general association of countries altogether without taking into the context, if you look at it individually rather than adding everything together I believe that you get to a better picture.
he has 3 tons in 30 innings in India, which is completely fine considering the attacks he has faced and the workload he has taken with both the bat and the ball, he has 1 in 15 in South Africa but again, that was a series winning century against an ATG attack and he has 2 in Newzealand and a 95 which was basically about a hundred, so his newzealand isn't a flaw either, when you take these countries into account that's 6 hundreds in 61 innings, which considering the quality of attacks and the important of that one hundred in south africa is a completely fine statistic in my eyes, as well as two of these centuries were converted into double hundreds and one led to a win in an India that has lost only 4 home tests of their last 50 tests.
now, he has gone 27 innings in Australia without a hundred and with 9 fifties which is a completely fair criticism point, but that is what I mean by the flaw of the argument being enchained into mixing all the countries together, suddenly the 6 in 61 becomes 6 in 88, and that implies struggle in all four countries when that really cannot be further from the truth.
in my opinion, you'd have a better and more hrgument if you simply focus on Australia rather than accidentally use Australia to make his away stats look worse than they are.
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Kohli is far superior to all three of them in ODIs and T20Is both.
