Virat Kohli's 141 at Adelaide vs Asad Shafiq's century at the Gabba

[Hawkeye]

Which one is the better knock?

Shafiq's on a surface that's probably the fastest and bounciest in Australia. Against all odds, rearguard effort.

That too under lights! He has also never played a Test match here.

Kohli's effort was also special, in the same losing cause (though we're not sure how Pak ends up tomorrow).

Was standing out there when others were departing.

Which one do you rate more?

 

[Pantani]

If he takes them home tomorrow, Shafiq's knock is indisputably superior to Kohli's, and even Sanga's 192. At this time I'll say all three were magical innings and leave it at that, I can't choose between them.

 

[Hawkeye]

145 beats this century, IMO, but let's see what can pull off tomorrow!

 

[waleed88]

Is he like the only Pakistani to score a century in 4th innings in an Aussie Test Match... I think he is.. when was the last time someone did this?

 

[Madplayer]

If shafiq wins Pakistan the game, it will be shafiq's knock.

If not then it would be kohli's because he looked much more comfortable than shafiq who actually knicked a lot and survived on dropped catches.

 

[waleed88]

Also I think he surpassed Sobers as the highest century making no.6 batsman in Test Matches

 

[Aman]

Kohli's 145 for now.

 

[Bilal7]

Both are quality innings but Shafiq's came on a more difficult pitch and in much more difficult conditions so I'll go with him. Kohli had the better match, scored a hundred in his other innings as well.

 

[Bilal7]

If shafiq wins Pakistan the game, it will be shafiq's knock.

If not then it would be kohli's because he looked much more comfortable than shafiq who actually knicked a lot and survived on dropped catches.

He's batting on a more difficult pitch, with the pink ball and mostly under lights so of course he wasn't entirely comfortable.

 

[Xoib]

I am with mamoon here Shafiq is a king of soft hundreds when the game is dead.He is bloody frustrating cricketer and I am done with him

 

[yasir]

I don't know if people realize, Shafiq's entire innings was at night, much harder than day time and this one was in GABBA, again tougher ground than Adilade.

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Kohli's innings(as of now)

 

[Slog]

Batsmanship wise Kohlis was greater. More range of shots even though the pitch was slightly easier and didn't have to content with lights or a new pink ball.

But yea lets not kid ourselves. Kohli choked when the target came within reach. Before that he was batting like a dream but with 100 runs to go he played a bunch of reckless shots and eventually hoicked one.

 

[aukhan]

Kohli's inning was brilliant but if Pakistan some how magically wins tomorrow then i would rate Shafi's ton better but this is less likely to happen.

 

[Aman]

Both are quality innings but Shafiq's came on a more difficult pitch and in much more difficult conditions so I'll go with him. Kohli had the better match, scored a hundred in his other innings as well.

lol not even close, I watched both and Kohli's came on a far more difficult track which Lyon was turning it square, it was a masterful knock that you would expect from an ATG batsmen. The Gabba wicket for this Test on the other hand has been flat, Shafiq's will only be rated higher if he gets Pakistan over the line.

 

[Bilal7]

lol not even close, I watched both and Kohli's came on a far more difficult track which Lyon was turning it square, it was a masterful knock that you would expect from an ATG batsmen. The Gabba wicket for this Test on the other hand has been flat.

So did I and this Gabba wicket, not to mention the overhead conditions or the fact that this is a D/N test makes Shafiq's century more impressive than Kohli's.

Australian pitches are finally having some balance between bat and ball again after two-three years of being absolute pancakes.

 

[Aman]

So did I and this Gabba wicket, not to mention the overhead conditions or the fact that this is a D/N test makes Shafiq's century more impressive than Kohli's.

Australian pitches are finally having some balance between bat and ball again after two-three years of being absolute pancakes.

The ball has barely done anything, if it did, would you expect Wahab and Amir to stick around against Starc, Hazlewood and Bird..

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

Yes because batting under lights, against the GOD DAMN PINK BALL with Starc and Hazzlewood gunning at you is similar to batting on the flattest deck ever put out in Australian history AT THE HIGH END OF THE DAY..........

Clearly Logic is Logic

 

[Slog]

lol not even close, I watched both and Kohli's came on a far more difficult track which Lyon was turning it square, it was a masterful knock that you would expect from an ATG batsmen. The Gabba wicket for this Test on the other hand has been flat, Shafiq's will only be rated higher if he gets Pakistan over the line.

The Adelaide pitch took Australian pacers out of the equation. Against spin Kohli can bat all day.

Lyon got wickets because Indian batsmen lost their heads.

Kohli choked too when the target came within reach

To say that the Adelaide pitch was significantly more difficult than this one is intellectually dishonest. Add the new pink ball, day night test aspect and clouds in the sky and the conditions here were arguably tougher

 

[Bilal7]

I don't know if people realize, Shafiq's entire innings was at night, much harder than day time and this one was in GABBA, again tougher ground than Adilade.

Some geniuses are saying the exact opposite, lol. Just because Nathan Lyon bowled well and the Indians were hapless against him doesn't mean that batting in that match was anywhere as difficult as batting in this one is.

 

[Slog]

Yes because batting under lights, against the GOD DAMN PINK BALL with Starc and Hazzlewood gunning at you is similar to batting on the flattest deck ever put out in Australian history AT THE HIGH END OF THE DAY..........

Clearly Logic is Logic

And cloud cover lol

 

[jeetu]

Both are great knock, tough to distinguish unless Shafiq gets close to victory or Win.

 

[Aman]

The Adelaide pitch took Australian pacers out of the equation. Against spin Kohli can bat all day.

Lyon got wickets because Indian batsmen lost their heads.

Kohli choked too when the target came within reach

To say that the Adelaide pitch was significantly more difficult than this one is intellectually dishonest. Add the new pink ball, day night test aspect and clouds in the sky and the conditions here were arguably tougher

Expected better from you, the ball under lights has hardly been difficult to play in this Test.

If it were as difficult as some are making it out to be, Pakistan's tailenders would have stood no chance against bowlers of Starc and Hazlewoods caliber.

 

[Slog]

Some geniuses are saying the exact opposite, lol. Just because Nathan Lyon bowled well and the Indians were hapless against him doesn't mean that batting in that match was anywhere as difficult as batting in this one is.

It was a flat wicket with some rough on the last day. Indian batsmen succumbed to pressure is why they got out

I think all Indian batsmen willl take that Adelaide pitch over a typical Bouncy Aussie wicket every day of the week

Kohlis innings was special as is. But some people seem to want to manufacture new conditions to make it seem even better

 

[ahmedwaqas92]

And cloud cover lol

Plus 50 restarts

Azhar and YK I believe would've both landed a century had those interruptions not happened

 

[Bilal7]

The ball has barely done anything, if it did, would you expect Wahab and Amir to stick around against Starc, Hazlewood and Bird..

Yes, I do expect Wahab and Amir to come good once in a while. They batted with great heart and determination, without much pressure and delivered the goods.

It really doesn't seem like you've watched this match, the way you're speaking. The ball was moving around and both these two, as well as Shafiq himself had close calls because of the difficult batting conditions.

 

[Slog]

Expected better from you, the ball under lights has hardly been difficult to play in this Test.

If it were as difficult as some are making it out to be, Pakistan's tailenders would have stood no chance against bowlers of Starc and Hazlewoods caliber.

It was moving around

It's funny you were expecting better when all you are doing are being intellectually dishonest

Kohli can take on spinners all day on an Adelaide pitch which resembles a day 2 pitch from the series your lot got recently in India

There were lot of plays and misses and streaky shots from our lower order. Cricket isn't a binary game where X always leads to Y. Such anomalies occur.

Australians were fairly dangerous till the last hour or so when they went flat after the counter attack

 

[Aman]

Do Pakistan get channel 9 coverage? Because all I've been hearing from day 2 onwards is how flat this Gabba pitch is... Tubs was even talking about after today's play how the ball hadn't been doing much and how good the pitch had been to bat on..

 

[Madplayer]

The ball has barely done anything, if it did, would you expect Wahab and Amir to stick around against Starc, Hazlewood and Bird..

The odd ball did swing and you would expect that to be good enough to take wickets of tail enders that too of Pakistan.

 

[Hasan123]

Fantastic knocks from 2 of my favourites but I'll take Asads because he was getting criticism and was under pressure. Also remember he was facing the pink ball and had to relay on tail enders for support.


Kohlis knock was still brilliant though, 2 of the best knocks I have seen in Australia from overseas players.

 

[Aman]

It was moving around

It's funny you were expecting better when all you are doing are being intellectually dishonest

Kohli can take on spinners all day on an Adelaide pitch which resembles a day 2 pitch from the series your lot got recently in India

Kohli at that time was struggling to take on spinners, but who's being intellectually dishonest now..

Anyway, enough with the childish games, I'm trying to be impartial here, maybe you should do the same rather than letting your patriotism cloud your judgement.

 

[Zak_Fan]

If I say Kohli, I would be labelled partial. If I say Asad, I would be lying.

So I prefer not to answer this.

 

[Bilal7]

It was a flat wicket with some rough on the last day. Indian batsmen succumbed to pressure is why they got out

I think all Indian batsmen willl take that Adelaide pitch over a typical Bouncy Aussie wicket every day of the week

Kohlis innings was special as is. But some people seem to want to manufacture new conditions to make it seem even better

Yeah, exactly. Not much different than them getting owned by Moeen Ali in England. It was a good innings, like I said, but he only had one generally average spinner to contend with because the pacers were totally taken out of the equation.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Unless Shafiq gets Pak over the line it is easily Kohli's knock. The pitch and conditions aren't even comparable.

It was not doing much in the final session of the day. Amir and Wahab were easily negotiating Aussie pacers. Lyon couldnt get much purchase out of the pitch as well.

 

[Slog]

Kohli at that time was struggling to take on spinners, but who's being intellectually dishonest now..

Anyway, enough with the childish games, I'm trying to be impartial here, maybe you should do the same rather than letting your patriotism cloud your judgement.

Your throwing around of phrases doesn't change the fact

Kohli wasn't struggling against spinners as much as you would like to portray.

His weakness was still the moving ball which Anderson embarrassed him multiple times with a few months earlier. That Adelaide pitch and the conditions took anything remotely close to that out of the equation.

The Adelaide pitch which you want to portray as some mine field was nothing more than day 2 pitch we saw against NZ recently. The Indians got out to Moeen Ali months earlier (Kohli didn't that much) so Lyon taking wickets isn't a sign of some mine field So I'll suggest stop manufacturing history.

 

[Aman]

If conditions don't count, I want to add Rosco's 300 at Perth last year in reply to Australia's massive first innings...

Faced a menacing spell from Starc and wrote himself into the history books.

 

[Aman]

Your throwing around of phrases doesn't change the fact

Kohli wasn't struggling against spinners as much as you would like to portray.

His weakness was still the moving ball which Anderson embarrassed him multiple times with a few months earlier. That Adelaide pitch and the conditions took anything remotely close to that out of the equation.

The Adelaide pitch which you want to portray as some mine field was nothing more than day 2 or day 3 pitch we saw against NZ recently. So I'll suggest stop manufacturing history

His record in India before the series against NZ this year was average.. maybe do some research before making baseless statements.

 

[Madplayer]

Unless Shafiq gets Pak over the line it is easily Kohli's knock. The pitch and conditions aren't even comparable.

It was not doing much in the final session of the day. Amir and Wahab were easily negotiating Aussie pacers. Lyon couldnt get much purchase out of the pitch as well.

Lets not even talk about conditions here. Kohli had much better conditions to bat on.

Batsmanship wise kohli's innings was better albeit in better batting conditions.

 

[Bilal7]

Do Pakistan get channel 9 coverage? Because all I've been hearing from day 2 onwards is how flat this Gabba pitch is... Tubs was even talking about after today's play how the ball hadn't been doing much and how good the pitch had been to bat on..

In the first session and a half, yes. It is a good pitch for good batsmen if you get set and play proper shots. Not so much when you have to start under cloud cover and then play the rest of your innings under lights, against the new ball.

That Adelaide pitch had nothing in it for the pacers. MJ and Harris of all bowlers were completely neutralized and that series in general, was universally panned for having some of the flattest pitches seen in this decade.

 

[Slog]

His record in India before the series against NZ this year was average.. maybe do some research before making baseless statements.

Haha pot calling the kettle black.

Just because Lyon took wickets doesn't make it some raging turned

The Indians lost a bucket load of wicket to Moeen Ali on English pitches a few months earlier

So yes. Please stop making history to fit your narrative

 

[Slog]

Overall Kohlis knock is still better

But let's not manufacture stuff like tough conditions, Lyon being some ATG spinner etc to make it look even better

 

[Aman]

Kohli's record at home before the NZ and England series...

Kohli's record at home after the NZ and England series...

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Lets not even talk about conditions here. Kohli had much better conditions to bat on.

Batsmanship wise kohli's innings was better albeit in better batting conditions.

Umm no it wasn't. It was a pitch where even defending wasn't an easy with ball doing all sorts of things. What Kohli did that day was pure master class.

Today, on this pitch post dinner session surviving wasn't tough, heck Amir and Wahab were having fun out there hitting a few. The pitch isn't as tough as you guys are making it out to be neither were the conditions.

 

[Aman]

Overall Kohlis knock is still better

But let's not manufacture stuff like tough conditions, Lyon being some ATG spinner etc to make it look even better

You need to have watched it to appreciate the quality of the innings.

 

[Slog]

Kohli's record at home before the NZ and England series...

Kohli's record at home after the NZ and England series...

What's the point )

The way you were talking one would think he averaged in 30s or sth

Also does the dent Kohlis home record took due to unplayable pitches vs SA which erre universally derided? Take those out and it's solid

 

[Slog]

You need to have watched it to appreciate the quality of the innings.

I watched it ball by ball

Yea it was more dominant

But overall batting conditions were friendly

 

[Aman]

Haha pot calling the kettle black.

Just because Lyon took wickets doesn't make it some raging turned

The Indians lost a bucket load of wicket to Moeen Ali on English pitches a few months earlier

So yes. Please stop making history to fit your narrative

I watched the match, I think my eyes are enough to tell what's difficult and what isn't. [MENTION=97523]Buffet[/MENTION] can back me up on it as he was posting about it in the match thread.

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Do Pakistan get channel 9 coverage? Because all I've been hearing from day 2 onwards is how flat this Gabba pitch is... Tubs was even talking about after today's play how the ball hadn't been doing much and how good the pitch had been to bat on..

You dont need an expert to tell you this pitch is flat. Just look at how Amir and Wahab batted in the final session. The only thing going for the bowlers on this pitch was bounce, but without lateral movements it isn't really going to trouble a batsman.

 

[Slog]

FGS I watched the damn match, I think my eyes are enough to tell what's difficult and what isn't. @Buffer can back me up on it as he was posting about it in the match thread.

Most of the wickets were lost due to batsmen's stupidity than Lyons genius. This includes Kohli who choked when target was within reach

 

[Zak_Fan]

Umm no it wasn't. It was a pitch where even defending wasn't an easy with ball doing all sorts of things. What Kohli did that day was pure master class.

Today, on this pitch post dinner session surviving wasn't tough, heck Amir and Wahab were having fun out there hitting a few. The pitch isn't as tough as you guys are making it out to be neither were the conditions.

This logic won't work with our brothers. Truth is, that whenever a Pakistani batsman scores a 100, conditions are bound to be tougher. Everything else is irrelevant.

 

[Aman]

Why is it so difficult to give an Indian batsmen credit?

Gee wiz.

 

[Slog]

This logic won't work with our brothers. Truth is, that whenever a Pakistani batsman scores a 100, conditions are bound to be tougher. Everything else is irrelevant.

Conditions weren't tougher

But the way some folks are on here you would think that Adelaide pitch was more of a turned than some of the pitches SA saw last year in india

 

[Madplayer]

Umm no it wasn't. It was a pitch where even defending wasn't an easy with ball doing all sorts of things. What Kohli did that day was pure master class.

Today, on this pitch post dinner session surviving wasn't tough, heck Amir and Wahab were having fun out there hitting a few. The pitch isn't as tough as you guys are making it out to be neither were the conditions.

Did u watch today's play? Did u see the foot marks for lyon? The batsmen negated him nicely by better tactics. Starc and bird were swinging it every now and then and shafiq did get a lot of edges.

 

[Slog]

Why is it so difficult to give an Indian batsmen credit?

Gee wiz.

Who is taking away the credit?

Just pointing out an attempted rewriting of history

I've even said Kohlis batsmanship was much greater

 

[akki]

Pakistan batting is the worst in the world....its only comparative to west indies or bangladesh probably similarly indian bowling line up is worst in the world doesnt matter how they perform sometimes........asad as a batsman is not even 10 percent of kohli....its a joke to compare both...

 

[Slog]

Aman do you think those 7 wickets were Lyons genius or weakness and stupid shot selection of Indian batsmen?

 

[Cricfan4eva]

This logic won't work with our brothers. Truth is, that whenever a Pakistani batsman scores a 100, conditions are bound to be tougher. Everything else is irrelevant.

Doesn't make a difference though does it.

Asad's knock deserves plenty of praise because of the situation it came in and batting with tail. Plenty of batsman might have just thrown in the towel and gone out with a flourish but he kept his head down and dug in and got good support from the tail.

However comparing it to one of the best knocks in test cricket and then to go on and suggest Kohli's came in on a flat pitch and bla lol just shows their insecurity.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Conditions weren't tougher

But the way some folks are on here you would think that Adelaide pitch was more of a turned than some of the pitches SA saw last year in india

Of course they were. Why don't you compare this pitch to the 5th day pitch there? We have videos and pictures available, so go ahead.

 

[StarWolf]

Shafiq is not as flashy or a 'superstar/rockstar' like Kohli so you can expect many to credit Kohli's innings as better. I personally rate Shafiq's innings as better than Kohli because he has performed in much difficult conditions under same circumstances. And i am one of those who consider shafiq a perennial choker. So, no bias.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Asad's in more difficult conditions but Kohli under greater pressure as India had a genuine chance of winning when he started. Though Kohli had help just like Asad, he was in command for most of his innings whereas Amir's 48 provided the burst needed to kick-start Asad's innings, Amir also faced most of the new ball and absorbed all the pressure applied by Starc which Asad was visibly running away from.

 

[Aman]

Aman do you think those 7 wickets were Lyons genius or weakness and stupid shot selection of Indian batsmen?

Lyon bowled well and the Indian's didn't bat well.

Kohli was still exceptional and was gunning for the win from ball one on a pitch that was offering quite a bit, to get India as close as he did was great.

This is coming from someone who can't stand Kohli, the only reason I praise the guy is because he is damn talented and warrants it. I wish I could say it was on a flat wicket, but I would be lying.

 

[Slog]

Of course they were. Why don't you compare this pitch to the 5th day pitch there? We have videos and pictures available, so go ahead.

the Indian lineup was hopeless against spin and lost bucketload of wickets in English conditions of all places to a trash spinner like Moeen Ali.

Lyon got a fifth day pitch and the Indian batsmen made mistakes and lost wickets regularly.

Kohlis knock was amazing yes but it wasn't on some raging turner which the narrative is.
The pitch was a typical fifth day wicket with wear and tear and footmarks

 

[Cricfan4eva]

Did u watch today's play? Did u see the foot marks for lyon? The batsmen negated him nicely by better tactics. Starc and bird were swinging it every now and then and shafiq did get a lot of edges.

I saw the final session. Apart from a few balls that whizzed past over their heads, it wasn't doing much at all. No lateral movements and Lyon was bowling well but wasn't tough to negotiate.

Like I said, Asad deserves plenty of praise for knock because of the steep total Pak were up against and the fact that he lost partners around him in quick succession but he didn't give up. Doesn't change the fact that pitch didn't have much for bowlers.

 

[Hawkeye]

Look, let's not manufacture some fantasy facts.

I rate Kohlis 145 a bit better like I said, so far.

However, don't take credit away from Pak batters where they negotiated Lyon's sharp turn.

You didn't watch the match or are lying if you say Lyon wasn't turning it sharp. He was even getting great drift and commentators were mentioning that. How can you forget the rough he was targeting.

But you know what?

Pak batsmen dominated him so well that it made Lyon look like a gully mohalla bowler

Yes!

Give credit where due. He was targeted by not only Shafiq but others.

Now compare this to Kohli. If you're saying Kohli was uncomfortable, it only means Kohli couldn't play him well. And it goes against Kohli.

Now forget about spin.

The pace and bounce of Gabba can never be matched by Adelaide.

Starc and Hazlewood were actually moving the ball. It was just negotiated SO WELL.

It wasn't. green mamba to be turning and moving like NZ.But was just the typical Starc and Hazlewood movement.

Stop lying about conditions and claiming Adelaide was tough.

It's not a fact.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Doesn't make a difference though does it.

Asad's knock deserves plenty of praise because of the situation it came in and batting with tail. Plenty of batsman might have just thrown in the towel and gone out with a flourish but he kept his head down and dug in and got good support from the tail.

However comparing it to one of the best knocks in test cricket and then to go on and suggest Kohli's came in on a flat pitch and bla lol just shows their insecurity.

Exactly. There I was appreciating Asad's knock, and all of a sudden here we have the usual posters exhibiting their insecurity by attacking Kohli's performance.

 

[StarWolf]

Asad's in more difficult conditions but Kohli under greater pressure as India had a genuine chance of winning when he started. Though Kohli had help just like Asad, he was in command for most of his innings whereas Amir's 48 provided the burst needed to kick-start Asad's innings, Amir also faced most of the new ball and absorbed all the pressure applied by Starc which Asad was visibly running away from.

I didnt consider the pressure and Amir aspect. Well pointed out.

 

[Aman]

[MENTION=97523]Buffet[/MENTION] [MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] Can you clear this up.

You two are the most impartial posters on here and you both watched the game.

 

[Zak_Fan]

the Indian lineup was hopeless against spin and lost bucketload of wickets in English conditions of all places to a trash spinner like Moeen Ali.

Lyon got a fifth day pitch and the Indian batsmen made mistakes and lost wickets regularly.

Kohlis knock was amazing yes but it wasn't on some raging turner which the narrative is.
The pitch was a typical fifth day wicket with wear and tear and footmarks

Not surprised that you had to get back to that Moeen Ali example to justify your claims. Yes India struggled against Moeen, but how does that change the nature of track Kohli's inning was played on?

Asad played a brilliant knock, good for him. But outright lies just to undermine Kohli's inning are just so low.

 

[SL_Fan]

[MENTION=97523]Buffet[/MENTION] [MENTION=132373]Convict[/MENTION] Can you clear this up.

You two are the most impartial posters on here and you both watched the game.

Buffet impartial got to be kidding right The guy ain't even South African lol

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Look, let's not manufacture some fantasy facts.

I rate Kohlis 145 a bit better like I said, so far.

However, don't take credit away from Pak batters where they negotiated Lyon's sharp turn.

You didn't watch the match or are lying if you say Lyon wasn't turning it sharp. He was even getting great drift and commentators were mentioning that. How can you forget the rough he was targeting.

But you know what?

Pak batsmen dominated him so well that it made Lyon look like a gully mohalla bowler

Yes!

Give credit where due. He was targeted by not only Shafiq but others.

Now compare this to Kohli. If you're saying Kohli was uncomfortable, it only means Kohli couldn't play him well. And it goes against Kohli.

Now forget about spin.

The pace and bounce of Gabba can never be matched by Adelaide.

Starc and Hazlewood were actually moving the ball. It was just negotiated SO WELL.

It wasn't. green mamba to be turning and moving like NZ.But was just the typical Starc and Hazlewood movement.

Stop lying about conditions and claiming Adelaide was tough.

It's not a fact.

Adelaide was offering quite sharp turn and bounce out of the rough but only one bowler could exploit that. The pacers were pretty much negated due to the pitch offering nothing and the sun beaming. Brisbane quite comfortably the more difficult conditions(under lights and cloud cover) where both the pacers and spinners were in play.

 

[Slog]

Lyon bowled well and the Indian's didn't bat well.

Kohli was still exceptional and was gunning for the win from ball one on a pitch that was offering quite a bit, to get India as close as he did was great.

The Indian side was weak against spin and had lost out to A trash spinner like Moeen Ali in English conditions. Lyon just took advantage of that

Kohli played an amazing innings but on a pitch you expect on a fifth day. Not on some raging turner. The mistake you make is that you see Lyon take 7 wickets and you assume it was like some pitch in Kolkata or Nagpur.

Infact Kohli himself got out to a stupid shot.

This pitch doesn't have demons either but it's also has wear and tear and Lyons failure to land the ball on the right spot has hurt Australia. But that's not Pakistans fault. Additionally it is a night match with Starc and Hazelwood moving the ball well especially when the new ball came under the lights. Starc bowled quite a few rippers at 145+. including one Sarfaraz got bowled to. Additionally there was a lot of cloud cover at start of day play

I'm not claiming that today's conditions were tougher but the narrative being put forward is as if this is some belter with everything in the batsmans favor and the Adelaide pitch was comparable to some Indian turner. That is I repeat, intellectually dishonest

Anyways you are free to believe what you want and overall I agree Kohlis knock is better than Shafiqs so far

 

[Rotoman]

Amir almost scored a half-century in this pitch. Testament to how difficult of a pitch this is to bat on! #Sarcasm

The posters here are unbelievable.

 

[Aman]

The fact a team like Pakistan (which isn't a team which is known for its batting) and consists of two batsmen in their 40's and past their best has scored 400+, is a testament to the conditions.

I find it insulting how some are trying to rewrite history here.

 

[Slog]

Not surprised that you had to get back to that Moeen Ali example to justify your claims. Yes India struggled against Moeen, but how does that change the nature of track Kohli's inning was played on?

Asad played a brilliant knock, good for him. But outright lies just to undermine Kohli's inning are just so low.

What do you mean not surprised at me citing Moeen Ali? Lol

Now you're going to throw your toys at me giving perfectly fine evidence to back my points. It changes the nature because the narrative being put is that Lyon got wickets because it was a raging turner whereas the truth is that the Indian batting was susceptible to spin bowling and had been bowled out a few times by a trash spinner like Moeen

 

[Itachi]

Shafiq.

With kohli, the kind of player he is, it was expected.

With shafiq, it was a surprise. Hence I'll say, shafiq innings is better. Because he rose above his usual standard.

It's like appreciating more when a moderately weaker student comes close to the brilliant student in the class. Because the brilliant one will make it and there was never any doubt.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

The fact a team like Pakistan (which isn't a team which is known for its batting) and consists of two batsmen in their 40's and past their best has scored 400+, is a testament to the conditions.

Poor guy clutching at straws. Clearly didn't watch.

 

[Slog]

The fact a team like Pakistan (which isn't a team which is known for its batting) and consists of two batsmen in their 40's and past their best has scored 400+, is a testament to the conditions.

This is clutching at straws mate. But carry on

 

[anindo]

For what it's worth, this is what Ian Chappell had to say about that Kohli innings:

"But that second innings, the pitch was turning a lot. He looked like he was playing on a different pitch to the rest of the Indians side. That’s the best fourth innings that I have ever seen. He made it look hell easier than the rest of them,”

But what does Chappelli know about batting in Australia.

Ref: http://indianexpress.com/article/sp...-in-control-of-his-batting-says-ian-chappell/

 

[Aman]

Poor guy clutching at straws. Clearly didn't watch.

It was seaming and swinging throughout like it was in Hamilton

This is twice now some of the more respected Pakistani posters on here have tried to rewrite history in the matter of months [MENTION=97523]Buffet[/MENTION]

 

[SL_Fan]

Tougher conditions at the Gabba and a better bowling attack as well for mine. Having said that tho Kohli's knock came when the match was very much alive. This one the pressure was off. So got to give this one to Kohli but both fantastic knocks right up there.