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Virat Kohli's 141 at Adelaide vs Asad Shafiq's century at the Gabba

The fact a team like Pakistan (which isn't a team which is known for its batting) and consists of two batsmen in their 40's and past their best has scored 400+, is a testament to the conditions.

Lol you are talking about a side which was number 1 recently and drew against england in england which kiwis and Indians can only dream of. You dont do that by having zero performances with the bat.
 
Shafiq's innings is class no doubt but Kohli faced a better bowling attack, had Mitch Johnson, Starc etc all in it..
 
Lol you are talking about a side which was number 1 recently and drew against england in england which kiwis and Indians can only dream of. You dont do that by having zero performances with the bat.

Rewriting history and ignoring evidence which doesn't fit the narrative seems to be his hobby for the day
 
Shafiq's innings is class no doubt but Kohli faced a better bowling attack, had Mitch Johnson, Starc etc all in it..
Nope, this attack of Starc, Hazlewood and Bird is definitely better.

MJ was past it at this point and Starc was nowhere as good as he is now.
 
Adelaide was, is and always will be a much flatter track than the freakin' Gabba. To top it all off, that was a 2014 pitch and was flatter than usual while this is a Gabba under lights and with a pink ball.

Talk about insecurity, lol. No one is saying that Shafiq is better than your golden boy, chill.
 
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If he takes them home tomorrow, Shafiq's knock is indisputably superior to Kohli's, and even Sanga's 192. At this time I'll say all three were magical innings and leave it at that, I can't choose between them.

If Shafiq takes us home tomorrow, this has to be one of the best knocks of all time in all formats of the game.
 
Adelaide was, is and always will be a much flatter track than the freakin' Gabba. To top it all off, that was a 2014 pitch and was flatter than usual while this is a Gabba under lights and with a pink ball.

Talk about insecurity, lol. No one is saying that Shafiq is better than your golden boy, chill.

Adelaide is a road, but to say the runs Kohli scored in the 4th innings there came on a road would be a load of BS.
 
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Adelaide is a road, but to say the runs Kohli scored in the 4th innings there came on a road would be a load of BS.

It wasn't a road

It was a typical fifth day pitch with wear and tear and rough due to foot marks.

However some would like us to believe that it was similar to a day 3 pitch which the Saffers faced last year
 
Lmao a passing thought crossed my mind comparing the two knocks about an hour ago. Return to PP after an hour and the thread comparing the two has already been created and has a 100 replies.

PP never disappoints.:))):)))
 
Not really, Starc may be better now but thats about it. lol @ bird, agree to disagree...
I only have Kohli ahead because the ball was turning sharply and he made it look so easy to bat out there. A real batting genius.
 
For what it's worth, this is what Ian Chappell had to say about that Kohli innings:

"But that second innings, the pitch was turning a lot. He looked like he was playing on a different pitch to the rest of the Indians side. That’s the best fourth innings that I have ever seen. He made it look hell easier than the rest of them,”

But what does Chappelli know about batting in Australia.

Ref: http://indianexpress.com/article/sp...-in-control-of-his-batting-says-ian-chappell/

He's a known panderer to Indians. Wouldn't be the same, typical Indian insecurity without looking to the Australians and English for defining their players' worth.

Tougher conditions at the Gabba and a better bowling attack as well for mine. Having said that tho Kohli's knock came when the match was very much alive. This one the pressure was off. So got to give this one to Kohli but both fantastic knocks right up there.

Yeah, it's funny how players bat when not under too much pressure to when they are in pressure. Kohli was handling the pressure well but then ended up choking towards the end when it just got too much.

Wish we could see how Shafiq handles the pressure of being just 50 runs away from winning a test against Australia at the Gabba.
 
Adelaide is a road, but to say the runs Kohli scored in the 4th innings there came on a road would be a load of BS.

It was a road where the Aussies were smashing it around at more than 4.5 runs an over in both their innings. On day five, there was turn for Lyon but it was nothing that he wouldn't have faced before being an Asian player. The challenge for Asians are the pacers not spinners who are generally mediocre and have never been the main bowler for their team.

Do you now understand?
 
It was a road where the Aussies were smashing it around at more than 4.5 runs an over in both their innings. On day five, there was turn for Lyon but it was nothing that he wouldn't have faced before being an Asian player. The challenge for Asians are the pacers not spinners who are generally mediocre and have never been the main bowler for their team.

Do you now understand?
Fair enough, but I still rate it higher on quality. As someone who doesn't like the guy, all I could is sit back in awe and watch a superstar at work.

If Shafiq gets Pakistan over the line, it will easily be better because it would be a match winning effort.
 
He's a known panderer to Indians. Wouldn't be the same, typical Indian insecurity without looking to the Australians and English for defining their players' worth.



Yeah, it's funny how players bat when not under too much pressure to when they are in pressure. Kohli was handling the pressure well but then ended up choking towards the end when it just got too much.

Wish we could see how Shafiq handles the pressure of being just 50 runs away from winning a test against Australia at the Gabba.

That's why he said Tendulkar should retire in 2007 and Dhoni to be removed from Test captaincy in 2013. Some panderer!

I think the only opinions that should count are the opinions of Pakistani posters on PP. They are obviously unbiased.

The opinions of Indian, English, Aussie experts don't count at all because they are all 'pandering' to the Indian money and the Indians are so insecure that they keep on referring to the opinions of these dishonest ex-players over the unbiased, esteemed opinions of the Pakistani posters on this forum.
 
Hard to say at this stage. According to some Kohli's was 'stuff of gods' and 'the miracle' :yk

Seriously though, if Asad can win it for Pakistan, it would be an epic gem.
 
Kohli's was better. But that doesn't take anything away from how well Shafiq played. His first Test on the quickest, bounciest track in the world, playing under lights against an impressive pace attack and he produces a quality innings. Would be incredible if we manage to win this somehow.
 
He's a known panderer to Indians. Wouldn't be the same, typical Indian insecurity without looking to the Australians and English for defining their players' worth.


Also, I referred to the opinion of an Australian commentator and former captain who I think knows a little more about cricket than the posters here. If you don't agree with his opinion that's fine but there is no need to make personal attacks and calling me and other Indians 'insecure'. That is in poor taste.
 
Instead of enjoying Shafiq's knock, I don't know why people have to compare with another knock, argue and fight over it in PP.

Makes no sense.

As of now, Kohli's knock is defo way superior (going by the opinion of people who watched both innings).

If Shafiq can take his side home chasing mammoth 489 in fortress Gabba, then his knock will easily be better.
 
There is no difference between a hopeless Kohli lover and a biased Pakistani like you, you are the same wine in a different bottle.. So just sit back, relax and hope Shafiq pulls this off for Pakistan, then you can validate your claim as Shafiq's innings being better than Kohli's and that it would also be one of the greatest knocks of all time..

Did Kohli pull it off for India?

Unlike the hopeless romantics here, I don't have any problem with anyone saying that Kohli's innings was better. If you would read my first comment you would know as much. What I find amusing and sad in equal measure is when people cook up fables.

That's why he said Tendulkar should retire in 2007 and Dhoni to be removed from Test captaincy in 2013. Some panderer!

I think the only opinions that should count are the opinions of Pakistani posters on PP. They are obviously unbiased.

The opinions of Indian, English, Aussie experts don't count at all because they are all 'pandering' to the Indian money and the Indians are so insecure that they keep on referring to the opinions of these dishonest ex-players over the unbiased, esteemed opinions of the Pakistani posters on this forum.

You don't seem to be enjoying your time here. Awww. :(
 
Explains why the ball hasn't been moving around as much as the Test against us.

Yet in Adelaide last year it was near on impossible to bat at night, the ball was hooping around fiercely. To counteract that this year the curators cut an extra few mm's off which makes a heap of difference. Also I believe the ball design has changed from last year
 
May have not been clear, but the 4th innings was difficult as the pitch had broken up and was offering plenty of turn for Lyon.
 
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It was seaming and swinging throughout like it was in Hamilton :)

This is twice now some of the more respected Pakistani posters on here have tried to rewrite history in the matter of months [MENTION=97523]Buffet[/MENTION] :))

I didn't watch night session yesterday so can't say anything about conditions for that sessions. Also, you need to realize that Pakistan was making 100-200 runs for the last 4-5 inning so runs scored after that may look a lot tougher to fans who want to appreciate their teams. Anyway, happy to see Pakistan putting up some fight here.
 
On a serious note, I don't think it is fair to compare Kohli's innings with Shafiq's. The match situation was totally different. India needed to score 365 runs on the final day to win so there was significant run-rate pressure on a wearing pitch if they were to go for the win and they were expected to save the game by batting out the 90 overs.

Shafiq batted in a hopeless cause and with Pakistan 5-down soon after his arrival at the crease and the worst tail in the world to follow, there was no expectation of Pakistan saving the match from that point let alone go for a win. The innings that comes to mind which resembles closely Shafiq's situation is Nathan Astle's 222 in pursuit of an unlikely 550 but which gave the opposition a scare nonetheless.
 
Good inning to alleviate the humiliation of 1st inning
 
Rahane was wrongly given out. India would have won it for sure. From what i see pitch has significantly flattened out. This is almost like adelaide oval.
 
On a serious note, I don't think it is fair to compare Kohli's innings with Shafiq's. The match situation was totally different. India needed to score 365 runs on the final day to win so there was significant run-rate pressure on a wearing pitch if they were to go for the win and they were expected to save the game by batting out the 90 overs.

Shafiq batted in a hopeless cause and with Pakistan 5-down soon after his arrival at the crease and the worst tail in the world to follow, there was no expectation of Pakistan saving the match from that point let alone go for a win. The innings that comes to mind which resembles closely Shafiq's situation is Nathan Astle's 222 in pursuit of an unlikely 550 but which gave the opposition a scare nonetheless.

Spot on. This is like Root's 74 last test against India.
 
Lol you are talking about a side which was number 1 recently and drew against england in england which kiwis and Indians can only dream of. You dont do that by having zero performances with the bat.

?? Your emotions are getting the better of you,for one Nz actually drew against England in England when they toured last(2015),second India and Lanka are among the Asian teams that won a series in England last not Pakistan who have either been drawing or losing.
 
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For one Nz actually drew against England in England when they toured last(2015),second India and Lanka are among the Asian teams that won a series in England last not Pakistan who have either been drawing or losing.

Lol how many of India's team today were in the one which won in England?

Last two times India toured England they have been largely spanked
 
Lol how many of India's team today were in the one which won in England?

Last two times India toured England they have been largely spanked

True,but Madplayer was speaking about dreaming to "draw" in England against England which is not true.Just pointing the facts here?
 
He has batted well here o doubt. And there's no reason to compare asad's innings with kohli's. Let asad score the amount of runs that Kohli did two years ago and then we can have a proper comparison.
 
Before comparing asad's knock with kohli's, i would like to state that i wanted Shafiq to be booted out of the team forever as i had never come across another weak hearted and inept middle order batsman in international cricket, perhaps only Henry Nichols come to mind who could match Shafiq's ineptitude.

But today, boy!!! i saw someone in the same structure as Asad play one of the finest knocks i have ever seen, so much so that i stopped watching Lokesh Rahul's fabulous strokeplay. I never saw Shafiq play any innings of this quality in conditions that were very challenging and he came out of it wonderfully well.

Coming to kohli's innings in Adelaide, it was played on a far easier surface albeit against quality bowlers like MJ and Harris who were not able to extract any seam or swing and had absolutely no bounce or pace, but on the final day there was a lot of help for lyon and Kohli played a fantastic innings out of the rough under immense pressure, which should not surprise too many as we are quite adapt at playing spin in far more challenging conditions in India, infact his recent double in Mumbai against England is a far better knock from Kohli and his best in my opinion.

Asad Shafiq's innings clinches the contest for me because i think he was playing for his place in the team and would have been dropped, also the aussies were on top of the game and had blown the pakistanis away so he turned the momentum in your favour and that's not easy specially under lights against the new ball on a pitch that had a lot of bounce and carry also the additional overs to add to the fatigue. I think he's played the best innings of his career and will find it hard to match. Simply outstanding !! Can't believe such an ordinary cricketer could do something quite extraordinary. I am quite certain Pakistan will lose but he has ensured the series will be an entertaining one.
 
No comparison. Asad Shafiq 's innings is better anyday he played under immense pressure on a bouncy track. Whereas Adelaide is flat track. Kohli would not have survived in Gabba.
 
If he wins it,it would be better right now kohli's is better,the conditions are tougher here no doubt but kohli didn't got the same support and he was going for the target right at the start of his innings unlike asad who was playing without pressure until now.
 
Lmao a passing thought crossed my mind comparing the two knocks about an hour ago. Return to PP after an hour and the thread comparing the two has already been created and has a 100 replies.

PP never disappoints.:))):)))

You mean I don't disappoint? :baelish

The question was itching and I knew this thread would be an instant hit. :srini

Instead of enjoying Shafiq's knock, I don't know why people have to compare with another knock, argue and fight over it in PP.

Makes no sense.

As of now, Kohli's knock is defo way superior (going by the opinion of people who watched both innings).

If Shafiq can take his side home chasing mammoth 489 in fortress Gabba, then his knock will easily be better.

Where's the fun in not comparing and starting a war? :tyrion

Tbh Kohli s knock like I said earlier is better so far. And I watched Shafiq s batting.

You simply can't rate 145 below a 100 both in a losing cause .

But I'd say the conditions were more tougher and alien on this Gabba track.

If Shafiq can score more tomorrow, he'll overtake. If he makes us win, it'll be the greatest knock in the history of Test cricket.
 
If he wins it,it would be better right now kohli's is better,the conditions are tougher here no doubt but kohli didn't got the same support and he was going for the target right at the start of his innings unlike asad who was playing without pressure until now.

The thing is if he wins it , it would be hard to come up with many better innings than this in the history of test match cricket.
 
He has batted well here o doubt. And there's no reason to compare asad's innings with kohli's. Let asad score the amount of runs that Kohli did two years ago and then we can have a proper comparison.

He is up against an aussie side who has mastered the art of losing lol. They lost against ABDV less, Steyn less SA. They are in hopelessly pathetic state of mind.
 
The thing is if he wins it , it would be hard to come up with many better innings than this in the history of test match cricket.

No doubt about that but seeing how happy he was after his hundred without considering that he has exposed wahab for the last 5 balls off the day which should have been played by him ,i'm not sure he is that focus on winning it.
 
He is up against an aussie side who has mastered the art of losing lol. They lost against ABDV less, Steyn less SA. They are in hopelessly pathetic state of mind.

Not really,Saffers have been winning constantly in Australia,Aus in Aus would be hard to beat even with their B team in tests.
Aus away are bad but they hardly ever lose to anyone at home except again SA
 
Have you ever seen kohli losing focus after a milestone in a chase?
 
Not really,Saffers have been winning constantly in Australia,Aus in Aus would be hard to beat even with their B team in tests.
Aus away are bad but they hardly ever lose to anyone at home except again SA

Smith's side is horrible. SA was a weak team without their main players.
 
Smith's side is horrible. SA was a weak team without their main players.

That's not true,Rabadda and Philander in those conditions were remarkable also Steyn isn't as good as he was.Sometimes youngblood add more to a tour than "experienced" ones.
 
No doubt about that but seeing how happy he was after his hundred without considering that he has exposed wahab for the last 5 balls off the day which should have been played by him ,i'm not sure he is that focus on winning it.

They need to believe they can win. Like they did against srilanka in that mamoth chase.
 
The point is not about his chasing ability ,it's about his target/focus ,some target milestones other target victory not caring finishing on 99 or 100

He has gone several levels above other players. His whole thought process is different from typical subcontinent players.
 
The point is not about his chasing ability ,it's about his target/focus ,some target milestones other target victory not caring finishing on 99 or 100

Kohli simply doesnt give a damn about scoring centuries.. He hates losing and getting out full stop. I have many a times seen him not celebrating after acheiving a milestone because the real job had not been done which is winning the game.
 
Regarding the nature of the pitch and how well its playing even on Day 4 - we saw this in the Dubai day-nighter too.

As the pitch is not being baked under the sun during the daytime hours, the pitch hasn't deteriorated much. A few balls have kept low but generally there hasn't been much uneven bounce that you'd normally expect from a Day 4 or 5 pitch.
 
Well played Asad. but I think it's a kind of Bopara innings, ie play well when there's not much hope for a win. Though this knock is comparable to Azharuddin 106 vs Australia in Adelaid 1992, but thinks Azzu bhai's knock was better.
 
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Well played Asad. but I think it's a kind of Bopara innings, ie play well when there's not much hope for a win. Though this knock is comparable to Azharuddin 106 vs Australia in Adelaid 1992, but thinks Azzu bhai's knock was better.

India had a realistic chance of winning that match. Highly biased umpiring did India in.
 
Out of the blue but I rate Rahane's hundred against England a much better knock, it was a greentop and gave India a fighting chance and India win it .
 
I wanna say Kohli, especially since he comes higher up the order. Shafiq benefited to a certain extent from bowlers who were not fresh.
Having said that I think he has really shepherded the tail really well. People will say thats all down to Aamir and Wahab, but it also has a bit to do with how much confidence the senior partner puts in you.
 
I wanna say Kohli, especially since he comes higher up the order. Shafiq benefited to a certain extent from bowlers who were not fresh.
Having said that I think he has really shepherded the tail really well. People will say thats all down to Aamir and Wahab, but it also has a bit to do with how much confidence the senior partner puts in you.

Counter argument is, he exposed them.

IMO I'm siding with what you've said here. Shafiq had no choice but to expose the tail as he was never going to defend his way to draw by shielding them. The only way for Pakistan was to score runs and be positive and they find themselves within 100 runs of the target, something you wouldn't have expected of them after 1st innings.

This is something Laxman did in that famous 2010 Mohali game, exposed Ishant to much of fans dismay and we ended up winning it by 1 wicket. It'd be epic if he is able to pull it off tomorrow.
 
Yes because batting under lights, against the GOD DAMN PINK BALL with Starc and Hazzlewood gunning at you is similar to batting on the flattest deck ever put out in Australian history AT THE HIGH END OF THE DAY..........

Clearly Logic is Logic :14:

except ALL of his runs were scored on Day 5 pitch. Infact he scored 116 in the last 2 sessions of day 5. The Bowlers he faced were Johnson, Harris, Siddle, Lyon ... a far better bowling lineup than the current one. And on todays pitch at Gabba even the tailenders are scoring runs. So clearly logic is logic.
 
The Pakistani fans would cherish & enjoy the Shafiq knock more whilst the Indian fans would cherish & enjoy the Kohli knock more.

For each group of fans their respective players knock would no doubt be the better knock, since no doubt they would enjoy that knock more.

I thought that was absurdly obvious.
 
Well played Asad. but I think it's a kind of Bopara innings, ie play well when there's not much hope for a win. Though this knock is comparable to Azharuddin 106 vs Australia in Adelaid 1992, but thinks Azzu bhai's knock was better.

Yeah even an Indian duck is better than a Pakistani century.


Hard to expect any logic from some of you keyboard warriors
 
Counter argument is, he exposed them.

IMO I'm siding with what you've said here. Shafiq had no choice but to expose the tail as he was never going to defend his way to draw by shielding them. The only way for Pakistan was to score runs and be positive and they find themselves within 100 runs of the target, something you wouldn't have expected of them after 1st innings.

This is something Laxman did in that famous 2010 Mohali game, exposed Ishant to much of fans dismay and we ended up winning it by 1 wicket. It'd be epic if he is able to pull it off tomorrow.

Yeah I saw that game. So much was written about laxmans tactics. Amazing what a little bit of confience and backing can do.
 
Pakistanis never watched Kohlis' full knock and Indians never watched Asad's full knock. Kohli played on a slightly flatter pitch where there was 6 centuries score in that match but scored a century in both innings. Asad did bat under lights against the pink ball. Didn't watch Asad' knock so hard to rate for me.
 
In fact the 48 runs scored by Amir is his highest Test score and Wahab got within 9 runs of his highest test score ... some tricky pitch this :)
 
In fact the 48 runs scored by Amir is his highest Test score and Wahab got within 9 runs of his highest test score ... some tricky pitch this :)

In the match that Kohli scored his 141, 6 centuries were scored. Yes SIX. You know one, two, three, four, five, SIX.

I'm sure that pitch was a green top with over-cast conditions
 
In the match that Kohli scored his 141, 6 centuries were scored. Yes SIX. You know one, two, three, four, five, SIX.

I'm sure that pitch was a green top with over-cast conditions

Talk about last inngs last day ( Asad hasnt even faced one ball on day 5) ... were the conditions the same when those hundreds were made ? Only Vijay and Kohli made runs on that pitch on Day 5. Thats the point..
 
Yeah even an Indian duck is better than a Pakistani century.


Hard to expect any logic from some of you keyboard warriors

You see If an Indian played this kind of innings, it won't be hailed as a great inning and righly so coz its not....

He came in when the match was over, Australia was overconfident and he was playing for his spot...

Sarf played a few shots and got back, Australia has probably decided to give him a life every inning, anyway Mickey did the right thing by sending Amir ( Ameer, if you are a aussie)... he swung his bat around and hit a few lusty blows and was unlucky to miss his first 50.... This partnership gave confidence to Asad and he hit a few loose balls and Steve Smith dropped him at 70 odd... thereafter he played some gorgeous shots and is now at 100 odd.... Meanwhile wahab took Lyon to cleaners...

In all this i never got a feeling that Amir, Asad or Wahab were going for a win.... they were just batting to prove it that they can bat well in Australia ( Asad more than others) ... Steve Smith also never thought they could go for it....

With Virat Kohli that was nevertheless the case, he and Vijay were always going in one direction....

It will change tomorrow though, Asad and Yasir will be seen as leading Pak towards victory as draw is not a option. If Asad bats well tomorrow, regardless of the outcome of match, his innings would be better
 
In the match that Kohli scored his 141, 6 centuries were scored. Yes SIX. You know one, two, three, four, five, SIX.

I'm sure that pitch was a green top with over-cast conditions

Even here Australia has scored some 650 for 15 wickets and declared with 2 and a half days to spare.... how many times has that kinda declaration come...

Its only Pak batsman who come with 70/8 in such conditions
 
Indians having a hard time swallowing this Pakistani performance :)))
 
Even here Australia has scored some 650 for 15 wickets and declared with 2 and a half days to spare.... how many times has that kinda declaration come...

Its only Pak batsman who come with 70/8 in such conditions

Yes and the fact that you guys lost a bucket loads of wickets to a trash spinner like Moin Ali shows it wasnt so much Lyon or a tough wickets but the your batsmens' own faults

So dont rewrite history and make it look like some Indian turner
 
Talk about last inngs last day ( Asad hasnt even faced one ball on day 5) ... were the conditions the same when those hundreds were made ? Only Vijay and Kohli made runs on that pitch on Day 5. Thats the point..

Just compare the number of centuries made in this match and that one
 
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