Virat Kohli's 141 at Adelaide vs Asad Shafiq's century at the Gabba

[leg-side-flick]

Yes and the fact that you guys lost a bucket loads of wickets to a trash spinner like Moin Ali shows it wasnt so much Lyon or a tough wickets but the your batsmens' own faults

So dont rewrite history and make it look like some Indian turner

It will help you if you watch that innings again...

As I have said earlier, Asad's test will come tom, if he gets Pak close enough then his innings would be better

 

[Slog]

It will help you if you watch that innings again...

As I have said earlier, Asad's test will come tom, if he gets Pak close enough then his innings would be better

I saw that innings

Kohli was doing great and when the target came near he choked. Played a slew of reckless shots and eventually hoicked one and got caught out

Btw I beliebe Kohli's innings was better. Just correcting the rewriting of history regarding the 'raging turner' that was the Adelaide pitch

 

[leg-side-flick]

Just compare the number of centuries made in this match and that one

This is dumb logic and only shows how poor Pak batsman actually are....

Australia scored 2 100's in first innings

Australia declared after just playing 39 overs in second innings... they have given you half the test match to score... how many times do you see that....

if it had been any other team apart from Pakistan, then there would have been more 100's

 

[leg-side-flick]

I saw that innings

Kohli was doing great and when the target came near he choked. Played a slew of reckless shots and eventually hoicked one and got caught out

Btw I beliebe Kohli's innings was better. Just correcting the rewriting of history regarding the 'raging turner' that was the Adelaide pitch

When did I say it was a raging turner ?

 

[Syed1]

This is dumb logic and only shows how poor Pak batsman actually are....

Australia scored 2 100's in first innings

Australia declared after just playing 39 overs in second innings... they have given you half the test match to score... how many times do you see that....

if it had been any other team apart from Pakistan, then there would have been more 100's

Australia scored four, yes FOUR centuries in their first innings in the match that Kohli scored 141.


Keep trying buddy.

 

[Syed1]

Sorry there were not four centuries, but three.. my point still holds

 

[Slog]

When did I say it was a raging turner ?

no in the previous thread some folks were saying that Kohli batted in very difficult conditions on a huge turner while Shafiq batted on easy conditions

totally forgetting there was heavy cloud cover, new pink ball, a new unique day night test. Also Starc and Hzelwood bowling very well

the adelaide pitch took aussie pacers out of the equation

 

[Tusker]

Just compare the number of centuries made in this match and that one

And how will that prove batting was easy/difficult on Day 5 ? This pitch hasnt even seen the amount of wear and tear as the Adelaide pitch.

 

[leg-side-flick]

Sorry there were not four centuries, but three.. my point still holds

In the first Innings on a Patta, Aus scored 3 hundreds against poor Indian bowling...

After 3 days Kohli scored 150 odd on a fifth day when the pitch was no longer a patta and where Lyon took 7 wickets.....Now what is your point

 

[leg-side-flick]

no in the previous thread some folks were saying that Kohli batted in very difficult conditions on a huge turner while Shafiq batted on easy conditions

totally forgetting there was heavy cloud cover, new pink ball, a new unique day night test. Also Starc and Hzelwood bowling very well

the adelaide pitch took aussie pacers out of the equation

The only reason I am not putting this innings higher is because I genuinely believe that Asad was not going for victory whereas Kohli did....

It won't be the same case tomorrow for Asad and if he does well then this could probably be the best Asian innings in Australia

 

[Slog]

And how will that prove batting was easy/difficult on Day 5 ? This pitch hasnt even seen the amount of wear and tear as the Adelaide pitch.

oh its hasnt

convenient... look at the pitch atleast. Thres a lot of rough spots and Lyon got some to rip when he landed in right areas.

The only case you have is maybe Lyon bowled better against India but thats a flimsy argument because its not Pakistan's fault that he didnt get his lines right and secondly it likely has to do with Pakistan playing him better. Dont forget India gave a bucketload of wickets to Moeen Ali of all people and that too in English conditions.

 

[Slog]

In the first Innings on a Patta, Aus scored 3 hundreds against poor Indian bowling...

After 3 days Kohli scored 150 odd on a fifth day when the pitch was no longer a patta and where Lyon took 7 wickets.....Now what is your point

Again. the fact Lyon took 7 wickets doesnt have all to do with the pitch. It was just a typical fifth day Adelaide pitch

He took it against a side which lost wickets regularly to Moeen Ali in England.

 

[leg-side-flick]

Again. the fact Lyon took 7 wickets doesnt have all to do with the pitch. It was just a typical fifth day Adelaide pitch

He took it against a side which lost wickets regularly to Moeen Ali in England.

Lyon took 7 wickets because pitch was breaking and India chose not to go for a draw....

The fact that Kohli chose to chase and scored a 150 makes that innings special....

The side that gave moen ali wickets in England was slightly different

 

[Slog]

Lyon took 7 wickets because pitch was breaking and India chose not to go for a draw....

The fact that Kohli chose to chase and scored a 100 makes that innings special....

The side that gave moen ali wickets in England was slightly different

The series happened 3-4 months apart.

It was almost same side. That Indian team had a weakness against spin and Lyon took advantage. And the batsmen played stupid shots including Kohli at the end.

But the real struggle for Asian sides is the aussie pace attack and that Adelaide pitch was a road with nothing in it for the pacers.

Overall this has been a more lively wicket

 

[Hawkeye]

And how will that prove batting was easy/difficult on Day 5 ? This pitch hasnt even seen the amount of wear and tear as the Adelaide pitch.

So you haven't seen the rough that Lyon has been targeting? He's generating sharp turn and even drift. But most of Pak bats handled him well enough, like any good Asian bat should.

But it's not just the roughs. This track and conditions are suitable for pacers, too, specially under lights and it's a pink ball.

Forget all of it.

Most of us are actually neutral here and are saying so far, Kohli's knock is ahead, unless Shafiq takes us close or over the line (unreal).

We're just trying to correct the facts here, that some are trying to twist, by saying Adelaide was under more difficult conditions.

Try to stay neutral.

 

[Tusker]

So you haven't seen the rough that Lyon has been targeting? He's generating sharp turn and even drift. But most of Pak bats handled him well enough, like any good Asian bat should.

But it's not just the roughs. This track and conditions are suitable for pacers, too, specially under lights and it's a pink ball.

Forget all of it.

Most of us are actually neutral here and are saying so far, Kohli's knock is ahead, unless Shafiq takes us close or over the line (unreal).

We're just trying to correct the facts here, that some are trying to twist, by saying Adelaide was under more difficult conditions.

Try to stay neutral.

My point is very simple . A difficult pitch + difficult conditions + Good bowling attack does *NOT* translate into easy runs for tailenders. The reason why this is different from Adelaide is because the match hasnt gone into 5th day yet. Surely there is lot more wear and tear to deal with on last 2 seesions on Day 5 than on Day 4 ? All these are simple facts that you cannot ignore. And yes Iam looking at it in a neutral way as much as people here want to believe otherwise.

 

[Gone]

As of now i think Kohli's innings, but defo shafiq if he wins it tomorrow.

 

[the Great Khan]

Kohli apnay ghar ka Kohli how gaa..shafts innings by a mile..

 

[jusarrived]

If Asad gets out at this score today , will this innings be remembered like Virat's ?
H needs to win this to make it a better innings .

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

Pitch is flat but has been an epic rearguard innings with tail enders.

If they get this, will be in all time top 5 ATG 4th innings scores.

 

[Itachi]

Great innings. Shafiq surpassed kohli.

 

[JaDed]

Imho Shafiq has surpassed Kohli,great innings.

 

[Bilal7]

Shafiq's innings is clearly better now. What an incredible counter-attacking knock. Finally gone due to a superb delivery from Starc.

 

[sajeebmcj]

this is one of the best innings I have seen.

 

[Varad]

i cant believe beleive shafiq couldnt take pakistan home on such a flat track despite being dropped 2 times.. Kohli innings was by far the better one

 

[Madplayer]

Shafiq has edged kohli now.

 

[Mobashir]

Surely this innings was better than Kohli's.
In this innings the danger bowler were Starc and Hazlewood with pace and bounce off the pitch where as in Kohli's case it was just Nathan Lyon with Spin.

 

[AamchiMumbaikar]

i cant believe beleive shafiq couldnt take pakistan home on such a flat track despite being dropped 2 times.. Kohli innings was by far the better one

Doesn't matter how flat the pitch is or how many times he was dropped, chasing 490 with tail enders is lot tougher to batting in top 4. Asad's innings was better

 

[Buffet]

India and Pakistan, both lost the tests, but this thread will keep going on

 

[Bilal7]

i cant believe beleive shafiq couldnt take pakistan home on such a flat track despite being dropped 2 times.. Kohli innings was by far the better one

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Some people really need to watch some cricket instead of worshiping at the altar of Kohli. Shafiq's innings came in much more difficult conditions than Kohli's and it took a superb delivery from Starc to take him out. The same Starc that was neutralized on that Adelaide pitch.

 

[King Kong]

Failed to win the game despite being being lucky of dropped catches. Kohli's innings was flawless. Add to that, he scored the century when there was no way Pakistan could win the game from 230/6. The time when he was under pressure was when the target came under 50, only to succumb, albeit to a great ball. Nevertheless, the best innings by a Pakistani in Australia.

 

[King Kong]

Australian analysts and commentators surely rate Kohli's knock ahead of Shafiq's.

 

[pillionrider]

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Some people really need to watch some cricket instead of worshiping at the altar of Kohli. Shafiq's innings came in much more difficult conditions than Kohli's and it took a superb delivery from Starc to take him out. The same Starc that was neutralized on that Adelaide pitch.

Ironic.

Did you watch the Kohli knock live?

 

[jusarrived]

Ironic.

Did you watch the Kohli knock live?

I doubt he even watched Shafiqs innings untill Pak got closer to the target

 

[Bilal7]

Ironic.

Did you watch the Kohli knock live?

Forget about that innings, I watched the majority of the match. Exams ended early that semester and I had the time. The only innings I didn't catch was the Australian first innings.

 

[JattMaula]

Asad's knock was better.

Kohli was playing in Delhi like conditions. Asad did it at Gabba! Pace and bounce.

Asad should move to No.4. in batting order. And should seriously be considered for LO spot. Fabulous timing and placement in pressure situation.

 

[yasir]

Are we still debating this, really??

This innings was 20 runs away from the best innings in the history of test cricket and our friends are stuck with one random innings of Kohli, come on guys let's move on

 

[Rayyman]

Shafiq by far. He has frozen the fire of Kohli. 2

 

[Bilal7]

Are we still debating this, really??

This innings was 20 runs away from the best innings in the history of test cricket and our friends are stuck with one random innings of Kohli, come on guys let's move on ������

Exactly, it's getting ridiculous now. Shafiq even won the MOTM award while Kohli didn't. A one-sided discussion now.

 

[QalandarFan]

Shafiq's innings.

 

[Belawal2014]

Shafiq, and this is coming from a Kohli admirer.

 

[pillionrider]

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Some people really need to watch some cricket instead of worshiping at the altar of Kohli.

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The same Starc that was neutralized on that Adelaide pitch.

Forget about that innings, I watched the majority of the match. Exams ended early that semester and I had the time. The only innings I didn't catch was the Australian first innings.

Gotcha!

Starc didn't play that match.

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[AamchiMumbaikar]

Shafiq, and this is coming from a Kohli admirer.

+1

No shame in accepting facts. This innings was better to Kohli's 141 DOT

 

[AlphaFighter]

Both innings were inconsequential at the end as it didn't result in victories. I don't believe too much in so called moral victories. A loss is a loss at the end of the day and an opportunity missed. The aussies will respect the Pakistani team more and will not let their guard down in the remaining matches.

 

[marlonbrowndo]

It was up for debate last night but not anymore

 

[Rayyman]

Both innings were inconsequential at the end as it didn't result in victories. I don't believe too much in so called moral victories. A loss is a loss at the end of the day and an opportunity missed. The aussies will respect the Pakistani team more and will not let their guard down in the remaining matches.

It has nothing to do with which team won. It has to do with the individuals.

 

[Dr_Bassim]

We are being intellectually dishonest if we claim that Kohli batted on a flat track.

If it was flat, Indians wouldn't be struggling against Lyon of all people (in before people go point at Moeen Ali and his troubling of Indian batsmen).

Having said that, when you are 250 runs adrift and you have your backs to the wall and staring at defeat, and you nearly win the team the match, well then you know which innings is superior.

But again having said that, Shaqfiq was quite lucky to be dropped by Smith on 80 odd runs, while Kohli's innings was chanceless.

It's a hard pick for either side and you're more likely to pick the one over the other since both teams lost the match.

But you can't say with a straight face that Adelaide was flat and it was just easy to play that knock. You only way you can say that with a straight face is if you are a Pakistani.

You can't say with a straight face that Brisbane track was flat and it easy to play this knock. You can only say that with a straight face if you are Indian.

Both innings failed to do what was required.

Win the match.

 

[Indiafan]

One of the best 4th innings in the history of cricket

 

[Smbhayi]

Yeah even an Indian duck is better than a Pakistani century.


Hard to expect any logic from some of you keyboard warriors

Which duck? The one in Yk got 1st innings?

 

[pacesensation]

Which one is the better knock?

Shafiq's on a surface that's probably the fastest and bounciest in Australia. Against all odds, rearguard effort.

That too under lights! He has also never played a Test match here.

Kohli's effort was also special, in the same losing cause (though we're not sure how Pak ends up tomorrow).

Was standing out there when others were departing.

Which one do you rate more?

It was kohli's 4th test at australia while for Asad Shafiq it was his ist test at australia


bowling was pretty much same since here asad faced pink bowl thus that pretty much compensate for absence of harris (btw harris was back from an injury and he was not the same bowler anymore)

So I rate Asad Shafiq'e ton higher than kohli

It's quite straight forward tbh

 

[street cricketer]

Don't know why always it has to be better than Kohli's.

Both were absolutely brilliant knocks but ultimately both ended in vain. Can appreciate both.

 

[Buffet]

Shafiq's innings came in much more difficult conditions than Kohli's and it took a superb delivery from Starc to take him out. The same Starc that was neutralized on that Adelaide pitch.

Unless my memories are failing me, I don't recall Starc even playing in Adelaind against Indians.

 

[street cricketer]

Unless my memories are failing me, I don't recall Starc even playing in Adelaind against Indians.

Billoo got a bit ahead of himself like he always does.

 

[pacesensation]

Unless my memories are failing me, I don't recall Starc even playing in Adelaind against Indians.

change starc for johnson was still there

(oh but johnson was not the same johnson as that against eng in 2013)

 

[Bilal7]

Unless my memories are failing me, I don't recall Starc even playing in Adelaind against Indians.

Gotcha!

Starc didn't play that match.

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Yeah, he didn't. Starc and Hazlewood were both brought in for the second test. The first test had an attack of MJ, Harris and Siddle.

Can't fault me for not remembering which of the pacers played in thay match when all of them were rendered inconsequential.

 

[pacesensation]

Yeah, he didn't. Starc and Hazlewood were both brought in for the second test. The first test had an attack of MJ, Harris and Siddle.

Can't fault me for not remembering which of the pacers played in thay match when all of them were rendered inconsequential.

harris was returning from an injury he was not that threatening the way he owned Sachin dravid and laxman on the previous tour ) )

Just like in 2004 india tour of australia when australia was playing a returniing from injury lee(was really average) pasthisbest gillespie and mcgill(in absence of warne)

Similarly johnson was not in the same form as he was in eng tour of aus in 2013.

It's pretty straightforward to accept Asad Shafique's knock better than Kohli

not to mention kohli was playing his 4th test in aus while shafique was playing his first.


Regards

 

[Bilal7]

harris was returning from an injury he was not that threatening the way he owned Sachin dravid and laxman on the previous tour ) )

Just like in 2004 india tour of australia when australia was playing a returniing from injury lee(was really average) pasthisbest gillespie and mcgill(in absence of warne)

Similarly johnson was not in the same form as he was in eng tour of aus in 2013.

It's pretty straightforward to accept Asad Shafique's knock better than Kohli

not to mention kohli was playing his 4th test in aus while shafique was playing his first.


Regards

More than the bowlers being unfit, out of form, etc, it was the fact that the pitches in that series were absolute roads which made batting very straightforward, generally.

That Adelaide knock was the best of that series though and the only century from that series that I rate highly because it came in challenging conditions. Still, like you said, Shafiq's was easily better.

 

[Slog]

If it was flat, Indians wouldn't be struggling against Lyon of all people (in before people go point at Moeen Ali and his troubling of Indian batsmen).
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this is some insane logic

just because you already point out the flaw in your claim doesnt mean the flaw is not valid

Moeen is a trash spinner compared to Lyon

No one is saying it was a flat pitch. It was a typical 5th day pitch with some cracks and rough. What actually is intellectual dishonesty is to try to pass of that pitch as being equivalent to some massive turner

 

[street cricketer]

this is some insane logic

just because you already point out the flaw in your claim doesnt mean the flaw is not valid

Moeen is a trash spinner compared to Lyon

No one is saying it was a flat pitch. It was a typical 5th day pitch with some cracks and rough. What actually is intellectual dishonesty is to try to pass of that pitch as being equivalent to some massive turner

The ball was spitting and turning from the rough on day 5 and hence the knock was praised, mostly by Australian commies. Chappell and Taylor called it the best 4th innings knock they've ever seen and Dean Jones as the knock of the summer. If it had just been a road, nobody would've called it special. But yeah, the pitch was pretty flat for the pacers.

 

[Slog]

The ball was spitting and turning from the rough on day 5 and hence the knock was praised, mostly by Australian commies. Chappell and Taylor called it the best 4th innings knock they've ever seen and Dean Jones as the knock of the summer. If it had just been a road, nobody would've called it special. But yeah, the pitch was pretty flat for the pacers.

any big innings on 5th day is special

chappell and esp jones have called several innings over the years among the best they have seen

and yes it was a very special knock. im just pointing out the exaggeration of the conditions.

the rough was there today and yesterday as well but lyon didnt bowl right length to take advantage

 

[Buffet]

the rough was there today and yesterday as well but lyon didnt bowl right length to take advantage

Nah, that rough was different than this Brisbane rough.

 

[street cricketer]

any big innings on 5th day is special

chappell and esp jones have called several innings over the years among the best they have seen

and yes it was a very special knock. im just pointing out the exaggeration of the conditions.

the rough was there today and yesterday as well but lyon didnt bowl right length to take advantage

Dunno, Chapelli have said it many times after that. Recalled that Adelaide knock again after Kohli's innings against Australia in the WT20.

But yeah, Dean Jones is very impressionable.

 

[sandsaims]

What a terrific knock by Shafiq on a green mamba against a pink ball. Anyone saying Kohli knock was better or any good is totally blind or like in case of experts like Ian Chappel pandering to the Indians. The fighting knocks by Yasir, Wahab and Amir now makes them all rounders and better than Ashwin. All in all it doesn't even matter anymore that the test was lost, Shafiq's knock on such touch conditions makes it a win.

 

[Zak_Fan]

What a terrific knock by Shafiq on a green mamba against a pink ball. Anyone saying Kohli knock was better or any good is totally blind or like in case of experts like Ian Chappel pandering to the Indians. The fighting knocks by Yasir, Wahab and Amir now makes them all rounders and better than Ashwin. All in all it doesn't even matter anymore that the test was lost, Shafiq's knock on such touch conditions makes it a win.

Lol..really? If anything, this pitch was comparable to that India Vs South Africa one where batting got easier and easier after first two days.

 

[EliteCynical]

Not surprised to see people across the border trying to one up each other, by belittling their opposite players inconsequential personal milestone. This has been the Bane of India and Pakistan over the years - public rejoicing on individual milestones rather than look at the overall picture.

Fyi - I think Shafiq one was better but not chanceless. Kohli's was phenomenal as well and chanceless but both do not matter and we should move on. A few, it was Sachins 136 & VVS's 167 at Chennai & Sydney respectively, which were talked in the same breath. I guess with the limited chances our teams get to win against Aus or other top teams, we take pleasure in individual milestones.

 

[Mamoon]

Kohli. Had Shafiq taken Pakistan over the line, it would have been him.

 

[ShoonyaSifar]

Shafiq for the sheer fact he scored nearly half the runs with tail. 230 runs for last 4 wickets in a 4th innings chase of 490 is IMMENSE!

Day night test, abysmal first innings by his team, all the senior batsmen back in the hut - it was loaded aagainst Shafiq.

Kohli will be close second.

 

[pillionrider]

All that said, Asad played a great knock and he deserves all the plaudits that are coming his way.

 

[London_Lahori]

Don't know why one has to be better than the other, as all this leads to is pettiness bringing down each players brilliance.

Appreciate both knocks for what they were.

 

[ali ray]

All that said, Asad played a great knock and he deserves all the plaudits that are coming his way.

I just came back home from university and I watch the score it hurts me more than the innings defeat

 

[petercat]

A very good knock by Shafiq,But Kohli's knock was better.

 

[Madplayer]

Kohli. Had Shafiq taken Pakistan over the line, it would have been him.

If he had won it for Pak, Would there have been a better innings in the history of the game then? Not many i would say and that would have made comparisons with kohli's knock an insult to shafiq.

Imo This knock of shafiq just edged kohli's although initially i thought exactly like u that shafiq has to win it to better kohli's knock. But on second thoughts , to better kohli's knock, he just had to keep batting and only get out to a jaffa which he did.

 

[endymion248]

Kohli. Had Shafiq taken Pakistan over the line, it would have been him.

Did Kohli take India over the line?

 

[jnaveen1980]

A very good knock by Shafiq,But Kohli's knock was better.

If only India had DRS would have won the match. Seen both matches. Until they were like 60 odd runs away there was hardly an pressure on Pakistan. Gabba pitch was an easy paced wicket.. Even there Australia not bowling enough bouncers to pak tail was puzzling at best.Good knock. But if you observe tailenders were as comfortable on this surface as Shafiq was.Not in the other match.

 

[shaz619]

Neither are ATG knocks, neither took their teams over the line; standards have dropped big time when such knocks in the current era are being rated as top 5 etc.

Not really a fan of making comparisons to Kohli, Shafiq was superb and was on the brink of greatness; it took a special delivery to get him out otherwise pak were looking shockingly compatible out there.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Neither are ATG knocks, neither took their teams over the line; standards have dropped big time when such knocks in the current era are being rated as top 5 etc.

Not really a fan of making comparisons to Kohli, Shafiq was superb and was on the brink of greatness; it took a special delivery to get him out otherwise pak were looking shockingly compatible out there.

This . neither of them are ATG knocks.

 

[gani999]

What a ridiculous question by the OP , to start with.

Scoring a 100 even in a league match is difficult. To do it in an international test against a quality bowling side is an even greater challenge and anyone who has done it deserves praise.

Both Kohli's and Shafiq's knocks are equally commendable.

 

[Metron]

What a ridiculous question by the OP , to start with.

Scoring a 100 even in a league match is difficult. To do it in an international test against a quality bowling side is an even greater challenge and anyone who has done it deserves praise.

Both Kohli's and Shafiq's knocks are equally commendable.

Honestly, both the innings are good but would not be rated at all to be something awesome in the history of tests. It would have made sense if these were among the greatest knocks of all times. But they are not. We have plenty of great knocks by batsmen of both teams.

I can think of several Sehwag's knocks better than Kohli's. Let's not utter Laxman's 281 in this thread!

 

[shaz619]

Honestly, both the innings are good but would not be rated at all to be something awesome in the history of tests. It would have made sense if these were among the greatest knocks of all times. But they are not. We have plenty of great knocks by batsmen of both teams.

I can think of several Sehwag's knocks better than Kohli's. Let's not utter Laxman's 281 in this thread!

or Kamrans epic in karachi

 

[Metron]

or Kamrans epic in karachi

Are you kidding me? Of course you are kidding!!