Virender Sehwag in eye of Twitter storm after appearing to troll daughter of soldier slain in Kargil

[DW44]

Sehwag isnt the only one.Other Martyrs families have same views.

And? They're entitled to their views but the instant they seek to deprive someone else of their right to free speech, regardless of how repulsive all 1.2 billion Indians may find said free speech, their views cease to be just views and turn into fascism of the kind most liberal and every single atheist Pakistani is intimately familiar with and in such a scenario, I'd tell them to do exactly what I say to their Pakistani equivalents which is they can take their views and... you know how it goes.

 

[JaDed]

Problem is that according to some people only leftist liberals have the right to freedom of expression and protest.If ABVP does it its goondaism.

Both are wrong one cant say that just because they didn't criticize leftist ,right can do it,what ABVP is doing is terrible and personally they have been a menace for a long time now.

 

[Pure Evil]

She's obviously motivated by the loss of her father she suffered at a very young age, and the after effects of the resulting trauma, and is simply trying to do her little bit to prevent other little girls from losing their fathers in similar circumstances.

For a famous cricketer to then troll her, for having the audacity to hope and wish for peace, is truly despicable. What a vile excuse for a human being.

Gotta love people who go on about their respective countries' proud democratic tradition and then, in the same breath, say things like "oh he's anti-national, he should be banned", I mean seriously, what the you know what(see, free speech, "you know what" is totally what I intended to say)? You can't have it both ways on this, if you're going to portray yourselves as champions of free speech, have the backbone to let those who speak up against the state say what they want and counter them with facts and well reasoned arguments instead of shutting them down because if you need to resort to censorship, you're no better than places like Pakistan and followers of a certain religion that the RSS types love. I speak from experience because I'm basically the Pakistani equivalent of what Indians call "anti-national" so I understand the motivations behind the actions of both the anti nationals and those who try to shut them down, the latter being the lowest tier of hypocrites on RNGesus' green earth.

As far as Sehwag is concerned, he's known for having Afridi levels of lack of control over what he says but his twitter account is handled by someone else, a someone else who happens to be a big time BJP lackey so it's hardly surprising that it leans heavily to the right.

Who exactly has shut her down? Do you mean free speech flows only 1-way and the other side cannot put forward their views? Or Sehwag cannot speak as he is a celebrity?

BTW, I am not sure if you are aware of student politics in India. They are just goons affiliated to different political parties. She is affiliated to the leftists "students" wing. They just had their handed over by the BJP "students" wing. Her views then get hyped up by some of the leftist media organisations and now you have an outrage.

 

[DW44]

[MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION], There are various issues here ,Sehwag and Randeep did troll a girl and it was stupid of them to involve themselves in it but again its the level of freedom of speec being criticized by liberal media,second being the goon attitude of ABVP(literally youth BJP) and them creating ruckus also being criticized by media and rightly so.

I hate this idea of "levels" of free speech. The whole point of free speech protection is to be able to say uncomfortable things that could result in retaliatory action. You don't need free speech laws to sing saray jahan say accha or dil dil Pakistan, nor do you need any such protection to praise your phuppo's chicken biryani and aaloo ki bhujia, you need such protections to be able to challenge ideas that would otherwise be considered sacrosanct. In a country like Pakistan, you have all the freedom of speech, so long as you're saying what society considers acceptable, which is to say there's no freedom of speech in practice because where free speech protection is most needed, there isn't any. That is clearly the case in India and judging by the overwhelming response from the indian people, it's clear that this lack of freedom is for similar reasons to Pakistan.

Now there is an old post (IIRC)of the girl ABOUT how war killed her father and not Pakistan ,flawed logic but freedom of speec and she was only trying peomote peace,this wasn't criticized by the Conservatives before but now after she did the same with ABVP its coming out in a negative manner.

Its not black and white as its being assumed.

From what it appears, ABVP is sort of like IJT in Pakistan, in which case you need even more free speech protection because the religious and conservative types pose the biggest threat to people's right to free expression, understandable given that the ideologies they hold dear are the easiest to rip apart by anyone with half a brain and, as such, censorship and mob rule is the name of the game when it comes to them protecting what they hold dear. Intellectual pygmies is what the religious right and nationalists are and it's disappointing to see such overwhelming support for censorship in the name of vague ideas like national coherence, security and the usual garbage that is used to justify censorship.

 

[DW44]

Who exactly has shut her down? Do you mean free speech flows only 1-way and the other side cannot put forward their views? Or Sehwag cannot speak as he is a celebrity?

I was referring to those saying XYZ is anti national and the university should have shut him down to avoid such a situation, not Sehwag and the girl.

BTW, I am not sure if you are aware of student politics in India. They are just goons affiliated to different political parties. She is affiliated to the leftists "students" wing. They just had their handed over by the BJP "students" wing. Her views then get hyped up by some of the leftist media organisations and now you have an outrage.

Student politics in Pakistan are the same except for their only being various shades of right here instead of the traditional left and right so I understand what you're saying when you say they got whupped by the BJP types and this is exactly the kind of situation where you need to shut down the majority that is trying to shut down an unpopular opinion.

 

[LastManstanding]

Problem is that according to some people only leftist liberals have the right to freedom of expression and protest.If ABVP does it its goondaism.

This girl was given rape threats. And she isnt the first one who has been bullied into submission. Remember Shruti Seth, she dared criticise Modi's selfie with daughter campaign and she was called the most derogatory words a woman could be called by the Bhakts.

This government is bent on muzzling dissent voices in the name of anti nationalism. They are making the same mistakes UPA 2 made and I can see a similar end for them.

 

[JaDed]

This girl was given rape threats. And she isnt the first one who has been bullied into submission. Remember Shruti Seth, she dared criticise Modi's selfie with daughter campaign and she was called the most derogatory words a woman could be called by the Bhakts.

This government is bent on muzzling dissent voices in the name of anti nationalism. They are making the same mistakes UPA 2 made and I can see a similar end for them.

Sadly they wont end because of right wing wave running among masses hopefully the next qtr GDP report should destroy their honeymoon.

 

[kabbirann]

Gotta love people who go on about their respective countries' proud democratic tradition and then, in the same breath, say things like "oh he's anti-national, he should be banned", I mean seriously, what the you know what(see, free speech, "you know what" is totally what I intended to say)? You can't have it both ways on this, if you're going to portray yourselves as champions of free speech, have the backbone to let those who speak up against the state say what they want and counter them with facts and well reasoned arguments instead of shutting them down because if you need to resort to censorship, you're no better than places like Pakistan and followers of a certain religion that the RSS types love. I speak from experience because I'm basically the Pakistani equivalent of what Indians call "anti-national" so I understand the motivations behind the actions of both the anti nationals and those who try to shut them down, the latter being the lowest tier of hypocrites on RNGesus' green earth.

As far as Sehwag is concerned, he's known for having Afridi levels of lack of control over what he says but his twitter account is handled by someone else, a someone else who happens to be a big time BJP lackey so it's hardly surprising that it leans heavily to the right.

For the BJP folks ,BJP = country so anyone against BJP is antinational.
BJP share the regressive patriarchal mindsets of mullahs in your country so they are especially petrified of women with independent viewpoints.
Kudos to Gurmehar and Sehwag lost a fan in me.

 

[DW44]

For the BJP folks ,BJP = country so anyone against BJP is antinational.
BJP share the regressive patriarchal mindsets of mullahs in your country so they are especially petrified of women with independent viewpoints.
Kudos to Gurmehar and Sehwag lost a fan in me.

Yeah, I figured as much. Replace BJP with Islam and/or army and you have the Pakistani equivalent.

 

[Pure Evil]

I was referring to those saying XYZ is anti national and the university should have shut him down to avoid such a situation, not Sehwag and the girl.


Student politics in Pakistan are the same except for their only being various shades of right here instead of the traditional left and right so I understand what you're saying when you say they got whupped by the BJP types and this is exactly the kind of situation where you need to shut down the majority that is trying to shut down an unpopular opinion.

Frankly these slogans and speeches have been happening in leftist bastions since ages. With the rise of BJP, these incidents are now highlighted in the media, which gives the "nationalists" ammunition to go after. But to say, one is right and the other is not, is plain hypocrisy. The leftists for ages have maintained these power centres by bullying, intimidating and killing opposition (lookup how routinely BJP leaders are bumped off in Kerala and West Bengal). The furore now is when these goons are getting their handed over and their media friends, who are influential after years of patronage, are creating a ruckus.

Also India is not a bastion of free speech. It does have free speech and you should be able to get away with almost anything. At most it will be twitter trolling as is with this girl, but you probably wont see mob/state violence. But then having stayed in US and UK, I can definitely tell you that free speech has boundaries anywhere. Lets not assume that a utopian society exists.

 

[dauntless]

Hate this sehwag guy now hating even more one of the pathetic guy he should not have made fun of her father! With the girl in this!

 

[jusarrived]

This girl was given rape threats. And she isnt the first one who has been bullied into submission. Remember Shruti Seth, she dared criticise Modi's selfie with daughter campaign and she was called the most derogatory words a woman could be called by the Bhakts.

This government is bent on muzzling dissent voices in the name of anti nationalism. They are making the same mistakes UPA 2 made and I can see a similar end for them.

are you serious about this accusation that only modi supporters talk filth on the net . you want me to share links to posts/FB groups where all they post is derogatory messages against Modi/BJP ?
Every celebrity gets abused by internet trolls , even cricketers like Viirat and Dhoni who have little to do with any politics have been subjected to abuse .

 

[LastManstanding]

are you serious about this accusation that only modi supporters talk filth on the net . you want me to share links to posts/FB groups where all they post is derogatory messages against Modi/BJP ?
Every celebrity gets abused by internet trolls , even cricketers like Viirat and Dhoni who have little to do with any politics have been subjected to abuse .

Modi supporters outnumber rest of the population easily, so they are the most visible one. You are missing my point though. Every celebrity gets abused and trolled on internet, however when a woman is targeted by thousands of trolls, called a wh*re, given rape threats and called anti national just because she raised her voice against the PM, it clearly shows an attempt to bully her into submission.

 

[cricketjoshila]

And? They're entitled to their views but the instant they seek to deprive someone else of their right to free speech, regardless of how repulsive all 1.2 billion Indians may find said free speech, their views cease to be just views and turn into fascism of the kind most liberal and every single atheist Pakistani is intimately familiar with and in such a scenario, I'd tell them to do exactly what I say to their Pakistani equivalents which is they can take their views and... you know how it goes.

Freedom of speech is for everyone.Your freedom cant take away mine.You put across a political view i reacted to it.

Or is freedom of speech only for liberals?

 

[run-out]

Virender Sehwag's Tweet Sparks Controversy



http://www.timesnow.tv/india/article/virender-sehwags-tweet-sparks-controversy/56734

 

[cricketjoshila]

Both are wrong one cant say that just because they didn't criticize leftist ,right can do it,what ABVP is doing is terrible and personally they have been a menace for a long time now.

ABVP is nowhere near what SFI used to do.Atleast in Bengal.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This girl was given rape threats. And she isnt the first one who has been bullied into submission. Remember Shruti Seth, she dared criticise Modi's selfie with daughter campaign and she was called the most derogatory words a woman could be called by the Bhakts.

This government is bent on muzzling dissent voices in the name of anti nationalism. They are making the same mistakes UPA 2 made and I can see a similar end for them.

Do you remember what Shruti Seth said?

 

[cricketjoshila]

For the BJP folks ,BJP = country so anyone against BJP is antinational.
BJP share the regressive patriarchal mindsets of mullahs in your country so they are especially petrified of women with independent viewpoints.
Kudos to Gurmehar and Sehwag lost a fan in me.

Dont need to import nationalism from down under.

Nation is above BJP or any religion or political view or any individual.But i guess its hard to undsrstand for you.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Liberal fascists have always been anti national and a burden on the real patriots.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Sadly they wont end because of right wing wave running among masses hopefully the next qtr GDP report should destroy their honeymoon.

Announced @7%

 

[LastManstanding]

Do you remember what Shruti Seth said?

IIRC, she said something along the lines of "selfie with daughter isn't going to bring much change, change is required in those parts of the country where no front facing camera phones exist."

 

[kabbirann]

Vinod Dua Says everything I want to say on this especially on Sehwag and his "matar jitni akal"

 

[Eagle_Eye]

usual suspects defending the indefensible here all in the hindutva cause..... any condemnation of the rape threats? Or has she just brought it onto herself?

 

[cricketjoshila]

IIRC, she said something along the lines of "selfie with daughter isn't going to bring much change, change is required in those parts of the country where no front facing camera phones exist."

She called Modi self obsessed and selfie obsessed.

 

[cricketjoshila]

usual suspects defending the indefensible here all in the hindutva cause..... any condemnation of the rape threats? Or has she just brought it onto herself?

What is your problem with Hindutva?Did anyone ask what religion your country officially follows?

Did you see anyone defending rape threats?No.


Try again

 

[cricketjoshila]

Vinod Dua Says everything I want to say on this especially on Sehwag and his "matar jitni akal"

Sehwag,Randeep Hooda,Phogat Sisters,Col V N Thapar,Father of lt Saurav Kalia all have matar jitni aql.

Typical problem with left liberal media.Except them everyone is illiterate,have no brains etc etc.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

What is your problem with Hindutva?Did anyone ask what religion your country officially follows?

Did you see anyone defending rape threats?No.


Try again

Hindutva followers have such thin skin that they start giving rape threats to little girls when they feel threatened... you should be ashamed of your fellow hindutva followers.

Has anyone from your side even mentioned and condemned the graphic rape threats she is receiving.... that's a far more serious crime then the pacifist views she aired.

 

[Madplayer]

Virender Sehwag's Tweet Sparks Controversy

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http://www.timesnow.tv/india/article/virender-sehwags-tweet-sparks-controversy/56734

I think this is stupid by sehwag.
In war the enemy soldiers dont know each other. They are in the army because they want to protect the country but They fight because they have to take orders and respect the chain of command. They dont have a say in making the decision of going to war or not.

 

[JaDed]

I think this is stupid by sehwag.
In war the enemy soldiers dont know each other. They are in the army because they want to protect the country but They fight because they have to take orders and respect the chain of command. They dont have a say in making the decision of going to war or not.

Yes but here she is talking about the country,imagine saying American didn't kill people in Iraq,Afghanistan or Israel didn't kill Palestenians.

She had right intentions though,its high time we had peace between the countries but the logic was flawed also this is an old pic so absolutely not understanding the reason to bring it up,everyone should had brought it up when she initially put it,right now everyone sounds like apologists for ABVP.

 

[JaDed]

ABVP is nowhere near what SFI used to do.Atleast in Bengal.

That's such a flawed logic and you know it,you should call spade a spade.

Announced @7%

Below the estimation, incase demonetization wasn't done.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

Respect to the the girl
Need more people like her on both sides of border.

Give peace a chance!

 

[cricketjoshila]

Hindutva followers have such thin skin that they start giving rape threats to little girls when they feel threatened... you should be ashamed of your fellow hindutva followers.

Has anyone from your side even mentioned and condemned the graphic rape threats she is receiving.... that's a far more serious crime then the pacifist views she aired.

Who gave threats isnt known yet.

In case you didnt read this thread is about Sehwags view on the girls political statement.

 

[cricketjoshila]

That's such a flawed logic and you know it,you should call spade a spade.



Below the estimation, incase demonetization wasn't done.

Was 7.4 the quarter before is 7 now.Not much diff.Slap in the face of those who had predicted economic ruin.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yes but here she is talking about the country,imagine saying American didn't kill people in Iraq,Afghanistan or Israel didn't kill Palestenians.

She had right intentions though,its high time we had peace between the countries but the logic was flawed also this is an old pic so absolutely not understanding the reason to bring it up,everyone should had brought it up when she initially put it,right now everyone sounds like apologists for ABVP.

In many countries in Europe if someone says Hitler didnot kill Jews Second World War did they will be facing jail time for holocaust denial.

 

[kabbirann]

Sehwag,Randeep Hooda,Phogat Sisters,Col V N Thapar,Father of lt Saurav Kalia all have matar jitni aql.

Typical problem with left liberal media.Except them everyone is illiterate,have no brains etc etc.

Why forget Yogeshwar Dutt who had a photo of Gurmeher next to Hitler and OBL
Did you watch the vid-it explains how 1 slide of a 1yr old vid of Gurmeher was brought up by BJP folks to silence her for taking a stand against threats of rape and violence by ABVP.
It talks about how folks who would'nt stop shouting about Nirbhaya ,have nothing to say about the rape threats to another daughter of India.

 

[JaDed]

In many countries in Europe if someone says Hitler didnot kill Jews Second World War did they will be facing jail time for holocaust denial.

Yes but that is a law there,if we had such a law here I could understand the reason for it.As i said she had right intentions with a flawed logic.

Also the pic is old stupid to bring it up now because it was well covered then when she put it up,right now she is being ridiculed just because of her ABVP statements and that's not a coincidence.

 

[troodon]

All these protestors, be it ABVP or SFI or AISF are A-Grade thugs.

Some of these so called Student leaders are well into their thirties. They have no intention of leaving college. Why not, they get paid by the political parties to do their dirty work.

I like the idea of peace with Pakistan. Pakistan may be Islamic country, but historically, they have been the closest to us in terms of culture. Same with Bangladesh and Srilanka and Nepal. We should all be united. I am with Gurmehar Kaur on this front.

But saying "Pakistan did not kill her father, war did" is silly.

Americans did not kill Afghans and Pakistanis. Drones did.

Suicide bombers did not kill people, bomb did.

Israel did not kill some Palestinians. Guns did...

All of the above sound ludicrous. Hence Sehwag's troll post has some weight.

I can bet on my life that this girl belongs to either Congress or Communist student organization. She is not some innocent bystander who got manhandled by ABVP.

Just ban these political student outfits. These guys do not have any intention of leaving college. They are there just to fight each other and get paid for it.

 

[Madplayer]

Yes but here she is talking about the country,imagine saying American didn't kill people in Iraq,Afghanistan or Israel didn't kill Palestenians.

She had right intentions though,its high time we had peace between the countries but the logic was flawed also this is an old pic so absolutely not understanding the reason to bring it up,everyone should had brought it up when she initially put it,right now everyone sounds like apologists for ABVP.

Didnt notice it was an old pic. Infact i remembered seeing this pic earlier just as i was reading your post. So no fault of sehwag there and i retract my words.

I think everyone is taking her words too literally. If u dont take the "Pakistan didnt kill anyone, war did" words in literal sense, it will make more sense. Literalism is a quality of extremists.

 

[JaDed]

Didnt notice it was an old pic. Infact i remembered seeing this pic earlier just as i was reading your post. So no fault of sehwag there and i retract my words.

I think everyone is taking her words too literally. If u dont take the "Pakistan didnt kill anyone, war did" words in literal sense, it will make more sense. Literalism is a quality of extremists.

Its actually Sehwag's fault(imho) because its an old pic and he is trying to troll her on that just because she voiced her opinions on ABVP now.

She had the right intentions undoubtedly ,its just the premise of it all was debatable but the time for that had long passed!She is getting bullied now just because of her post on ABVP.

 

[Madplayer]

Its actually Sehwag's fault(imho) because its an old pic and he is trying to troll her on that just because she voiced her opinions on ABVP now.

She had the right intentions undoubtedly ,its just the premise of it all was debatable but the time for that had long passed!She is getting bullied now just because of her post on ABVP.

I got confused there lol idk how but i seriously thought sehwag's picture was old and it is just being used here by some people. I dont have to retract my words. It was stupid of sehwag.

 

[ExpressPacer]

He is India's Afridi. A man who can hit the ball far and wide but never question his lack of common sense. It is never funny or amusing for dead soldiers when they are trolled. Classless act b y another immature man who can't grow up.

What a pathetic thing to say... Sehwag isn't half the man Shahid Afridi is. Better cricketer and eons ahead of him as a human being.

 

[JaDed]

What a pathetic thing to say... Sehwag isn't half the man Shahid Afridi is. Better cricketer and eons ahead of him as a human being.

None of those are true let me not post Afridi's interview on women's cricket here because this isn't the thread if you prefer you can create another and there can be discussion on this "directionless" topic of human being,on cricketer u can create on in Cricket section.

 

[ExpressPacer]

None of those are true let me not post Afridi's interview on women's cricket here because this isn't the thread if you prefer you can create another and there can be discussion on this "directionless" topic of human being,on cricketer u can create on in Cricket section.

I'm pretty sure of what is true and what isn't. I don't know what you're speaking of but let me assure you, I'd rather have sexist than someone who makes fun of a girl who last her father.

 

[JaDed]

I'm pretty sure of what is true and what isn't. I don't know what you're speaking of but let me assure you, I'd rather have sexist than someone who makes fun of a girl who last her father.

Good so we are clear as to no one among them is a great human being which is what was being propagated in your last post.

 

[LastManstanding]

She called Modi self obsessed and selfie obsessed.

She wasn't incorrect, was she?

Isn't it ironic, the people who were busy uploading their selfies with their daughters one minute started calling her slanderous names the next minute?

Even her 11 month daughter wasn't spared.

She was proven right, wasn't she? These selfies were just a gimmick, we need to change the mentality of the men in India and clicking selfies with your daughter surely isn't the way to go about it.

 

[DW44]

Freedom of speech is for everyone.Your freedom cant take away mine.You put across a political view i reacted to it.

Or is freedom of speech only for liberals?

Exactly, it's for everyone, not just conservatives of the religious and/or nationalist persuasion. The trend in the subcontinent seems to be that the right, both religious and nationalist, has all the freedom of expression they want and then some but the instant someone on the left*, or even the right or center for that matter, uses the same freedom to put forth an unpopular view (pro Pakistan views in India, criticism of the clearly far right BJP/RSS types in India or PTI in Pakistan, questioning the official narrative of other state evil-we good), all hell breaks lose and violent, illiberal measures are often employed, be it using the blasphemy law in Pakistan or jailing people for supporting the Pakistani team in India. The right can't have it both ways where they have their freedom of expression but also seek to dictate what those on the other end of the spectrum can or can't say under pain of repercussions including but not limited to violent acts of retribution.


*I use the terms left and right very loosely here, to represent social liberalism and conservatism respectively, not the economic and political ideologies these terms usually represent.

 

[CricketCartoons]

The modi worshippers are now defining what is patriotism. Hiding their evil behind the flag. You are an anti national if you don't subscribe to their view. Truly patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Exactly, it's for everyone, not just conservatives of the religious and/or nationalist persuasion. The trend in the subcontinent seems to be that the right, both religious and nationalist, has all the freedom of expression they want and then some but the instant someone on the left*, or even the right or center for that matter, uses the same freedom to put forth an unpopular view (pro Pakistan views in India, criticism of the clearly far right BJP/RSS types in India or PTI in Pakistan, questioning the official narrative of other state evil-we good), all hell breaks lose and violent, illiberal measures are often employed, be it using the blasphemy law in Pakistan or jailing people for supporting the Pakistani team in India. The right can't have it both ways where they have their freedom of expression but also seek to dictate what those on the other end of the spectrum can or can't say under pain of repercussions including but not limited to violent acts of retribution.


*I use the terms left and right very loosely here, to represent social liberalism and conservatism respectively, not the economic and political ideologies these terms usually represent.

I have no idea about Pakistan but in India the so called liberal leftist have been at the forefront of using violence.

The SFI the leftist students union is notorious for using violence in India esp in colleges.I studied my entire college life in a SFI ruled college.People were forced to take part in their programme if you refuse you will be beaten up the next day.I didnt suffer anything because of my family's connections but it wasnt the best expereince.The leftist Naxals and Maoists are another violent terror organisation.So in India the use of violence or illegal methods isnt limited to right only.

But overall there is considerable freedom of speech.

Pakistan is a sensitive topic.It goes beyond freedom of speech etc.Just like in Europe you cant deny holocaust,in India support of Pakistan or defending Pakistan isnt something about freedom of speech or choice.Pakistan is synonymous with 4 wars were thousands lost their lives,its synonymous with Mumbai attacks etc etc.So pakistan related issues dont define freedom of speech in India.Its an exception

PS:By Pakistan i mean the state.

PPS: Not freedom is absolute.

 

[kingusama92]

If i am Martyrs kin i can make any political statement and get away with it?

There are other martyrs family who felt insulted due to this.Are their feelings any less?

This is a political move.please dont mistake it for something else.

If she had openly trolled/abused/bullied those families I'd agree.

She presented an opinion (right or wrong) in an unaggressive manner. The same topic can be discussed in a civil manner.

 

[Square Drive]

Sehwag is an absolute joke of a human.

What a tryhard.

 

[Sachin136]

If she had openly trolled/abused/bullied those families I'd agree.

She presented an opinion (right or wrong) in an unaggressive manner. The same topic can be discussed in a civil manner.

If you present an opinion, then others have the right to challenge it in whatever way they want. There was nothing uncivil about Sehwag's comments.

 

[PakLFC]

In that logic many can claim she is utilizing her dad to get fame,what she tried to do was to create peace but it was flawed obviously,probably her intentions were right.

Well obviously Pak through war killed her Dad. Sehwag does not need to be so insensitive by comparing his triple ton to someone's loss. A very cruel thing to do by a man who is obviously not that well educated. Now he is saying his comment was not directed at her.

 

[PakLFC]

What a pathetic thing to say... Sehwag isn't half the man Shahid Afridi is. Better cricketer and eons ahead of him as a human being.

Don't be silly. Afridi is no angel always in some sort of trouble through out his career. One time he is chewing a ball then the next some actress is accusing him of doing something else. You Afridi obsessed fans need to get over your fascination with him.

 

[Abdullah719]

https://twitter.com/RandeepHooda/status/316468867977326592

Found this old tweet circulating on Twitter... guess this guy had other priorities back in the day.

 

[kabbirann]

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https://twitter.com/RandeepHooda/status/316468867977326592

Found this old tweet circulating on Twitter... guess this guy had other priorities back in the day.

Haryanvi's "love" for Punjabis will triumph over their "love" for Pakistan.
There is a reason most folks targeting Gurmeher are from Haryana.

 

[blue_champion]

Her father was in the "defense".get it...the word right there.....he wasn't martyred because the government sent him to attack and capture a region and was killed in that battle.....He died defending his land from terrorists or the enemy.

If the girl is so insensitive to her father's sacrifice then 100% agree with Sehwag here.

Also what is the big deal here....just because her father was a brave martyr, doesn't give her a free ride of being a total tool.

 

[LastManstanding]

I have no idea about Pakistan but in India the so called liberal leftist have been at the forefront of using violence.

The SFI the leftist students union is notorious for using violence in India esp in colleges.I studied my entire college life in a SFI ruled college.People were forced to take part in their programme if you refuse you will be beaten up the next day.I didnt suffer anything because of my family's connections but it wasnt the best expereince.The leftist Naxals and Maoists are another violent terror organisation.So in India the use of violence or illegal methods isnt limited to right only.

But overall there is considerable freedom of speech.

Pakistan is a sensitive topic.It goes beyond freedom of speech etc.Just like in Europe you cant deny holocaust,in India support of Pakistan or defending Pakistan isnt something about freedom of speech or choice.Pakistan is synonymous with 4 wars were thousands lost their lives,its synonymous with Mumbai attacks etc etc.So pakistan related issues dont define freedom of speech in India.Its an exception

PS:By Pakistan i mean the state.

PPS: Not freedom is absolute.

It is the hypocrisy that annoys me. Vajpayee can invite Musharraf two years after Kargil, Modi can invite Sharif for his oath ceremony, Modi can visit Sharif to wish him on his birthday, but if a common man airs his views supporting peace between India and Pakistan, he is suddenly a traitor.

Why do we need certificate of patriotism from RSS and BJP? Imagine the uproar BJP and RSS would have created had the people involved in MP spy racket were from some other party or worse Muslims? Whole community would have been painted with the brush of anti nationalism and there would have been usual calls of sending them to Pakistan.

In Ramjas incident, bricks were thrown by ABVP members and students were asked to say "Bharat Mata ki Jai" before being allowed to go. Till two years ago, I would have felt proud in saying Jai Hind or Bharat Mata ki Jai, but now being forced to say these words to prove your patriotism is creating disdain in my heart.

I watched Chak De India few years ago in a theatre. When national anthem was played, everyone stood up. If I were to go for a movie now, I would be forced to stand up when national anthem is played, but it will be out of fear, not out of respect.

 

[JaDed]

Haryanvi's "love" for Punjabis will triumph over their "love" for Pakistan.
There is a reason most folks targeting Gurmeher are from Haryana.

Don't be so bitter,Haryanvis have always lived in the shadow of Punjabis untill recently.Even when everyone says Punjabis are highest in the army one needs to look into Haryana who never get their due,they don't get how many medals they win India as well because everyone looks down upon them.

Punjabis-Haryanvis live peacefully in many Haryana cities.(Ambala)

 

[JaDed]

I have no idea about Pakistan but in India the so called liberal leftist have been at the forefront of using violence.

The SFI the leftist students union is notorious for using violence in India esp in colleges.I studied my entire college life in a SFI ruled college.People were forced to take part in their programme if you refuse you will be beaten up the next day.I didnt suffer anything because of my family's connections but it wasnt the best expereince.The leftist Naxals and Maoists are another violent terror organisation.So in India the use of violence or illegal methods isnt limited to right only.

But overall there is considerable freedom of speech.

Pakistan is a sensitive topic.It goes beyond freedom of speech etc.Just like in Europe you cant deny holocaust,in India support of Pakistan or defending Pakistan isnt something about freedom of speech or choice.Pakistan is synonymous with 4 wars were thousands lost their lives,its synonymous with Mumbai attacks etc etc.So pakistan related issues dont define freedom of speech in India.Its an exception

PS:By Pakistan i mean the state.

PPS: Not freedom is absolute.

Holocaust denial is a law there,make that a law here and then we can argue the analogy,every single time it has been only BJP GOVns which go out of their way to meet Pakistani leaders not the Congress.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Holocaust denial is a law there,make that a law here and then we can argue the analogy,every single time it has been only BJP GOVns which go out of their way to meet Pakistani leaders not the Congress.

State leaders will invite and hug each other even if soldiers are killing each other at the border. that is diplomacy. What is your problem with that?

 

[JaDed]

State leaders will invite and hug each other even if soldiers are killing each other at the border. that is diplomacy. What is your problem with that?

My problem is with the child,sister parties of these "state leaders" who do the same when average Indian does the same with Pakistan etc.Its hypocrisy

 

[kingusama92]

If you present an opinion, then others have the right to challenge it in whatever way they want. There was nothing uncivil about Sehwag's comments.

He compared her father's death to a triple century to get a quick laugh.

Let's think about that for a second.

 

[CricketCartoons]

My problem is with the child,sister parties of these "state leaders" who do the same when average Indian does the same with Pakistan etc.Its hypocrisy

It is not hypocrisy. The common man hasnt been given the mandate for diplomacy and foreign relations. Let these "average" Indians first achieve peace between warring communities within India instead of acting like online diplomats are registering to enemy forums to act goody goody.

 

[JaDed]

It is not hypocrisy. The common man hasnt been given the mandate for diplomacy and foreign relations. Let these "average" Indians first achieve peace between warring communities within India instead of acting like online diplomats are registering to enemy forums to act goody goody.

What diplomacy?Meeting the mother of Pakistani state leader is diplomacy?Diplomacy is shaking hands not holding hands and walking like a couple.

People of India treating the citizens of other countries just as people is nothing wrong,because they are humans first nothing wrong in being just interacting.

 

[CricketCartoons]

What diplomacy?Meeting the mother of Pakistani state leader is diplomacy?Diplomacy is shaking hands not holding hands and walking like a couple.

People of India treating the citizens of other countries just as people is nothing wrong,because they are humans first nothing wrong in being just interacting.

It is usually the mohajirs in india who are nostalgic about pakistan and always look towards pakistan instead of rest of india. Why not work for peace within the country first. Aman within the communities living in India instead of love across the border. I mean that is nice too, but should not be the first priority.

 

[big_gamer007]

Student politics should be banned.. Anyways on topic the girl was just wishing for peace between the two countries a lot of people wish for the same don't make them anti nationals in fact they are better nationals than people who wish for war.. The choice of words might not have been right but if you read he transcript someone posted above you'll understand the context and see what she meant was not wrong.. Then to get abused online the way she got was sickening, but that's how social media makes even the biggest of cowards to attack someone..

 

[SL_Fan]

Virender Sehwag Defends Himself Over Gurmehar Kaur Issue In 3 Tweets


On Sunday, Virender Sehwag had posted his photo, holding a placard which read "I did not score two triple centuries, my bat did". The tweet triggered a deluge of reactions.

Virender Sehwag, in the middle of a burgeoning controversy for having supposedly mocked Delhi University student Gurmehar Kaur, tweeted on Wednesday, calling his initial post on the social media platform "facetious rather than one to bully anyone". The former India batsman, who now is a regular on Twitter, putting up his take of things on many subjects, also went on to state that Gurmehar had the right to express her views, but so did the Phogat sisters, wrestlers Geeta and Babita.

Geeta and Babita Phogat had come out with their own statements criticising Gurmehar Kaur on her stand on Pakistan.

"My tweet was an attempt to be facetious rather than one to bully anyone over their opinion. Agreement or disagreement wasn't even a factor," Sehwag said in his recent Twitter post.

"She has a right to express her views and anyone who threatens her with violence or rape is the lowest form of life" he went on to state, referring to the allegations made by Gurmehar that she had been threatened with rape after her stand against student body ABVP after the violence in Ramjas College in Delhi University last week.

"Everyone has a right to express their views without being bullied or threatened. Gurmehar Kaur or the Phogat sisters," Sehwag further tweeted.

On Sunday, Sehwag had posted his photo, holding a placard which read "I did not score two triple centuries, my bat did". The tweet triggered a deluge of reactions.

The former India opener's tweet appeared to be in response to the student's earlier Facebook post that gained major traction on social media networks. In a video post, she had appealed for peace between India and Pakistan with messages on placards, one of which said, "Pakistan did not kill my dad, war killed him'.

The 20-year-old has been given police protection after she alleged rape threats over her posts against the ABVP.
On Tuesday, she pulled out of a march against campus violence at the Delhi University, by teachers and students.
In a series of tweets, Ms Kaur said "that's all I can take", but appealed to others to join the "Save DU" march in huge numbers. "To anyone questioning my courage and bravery. I've shown more than enough," she wrote.

Link

 

[Pollack]

If she had openly trolled/abused/bullied those families I'd agree.

She presented an opinion (right or wrong) in an unaggressive manner. The same topic can be discussed in a civil manner.

How do you not openly troll someone. Sehwag didn't mention who he was trolling. So he is also not openly trolling. Her opinion may not be liked by other martyrs or even normal individual s and by posting that on social media she is also also 'openly' trolling other martyrs intentionally or not. In any case logically her logic was flawed.

 

[Pollack]

Hypocrisy by left liberals all over the world is the reason why right is slowly rising. Their sense of entitlement of being the only people educated, intelligent and having freedom of speech is nauseating. Their sense of being self-sanctimonious is opaque. Unfortunately (or Fortunately for some)this may result into Right wing gathering force.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Virender Sehwag Defends Himself Over Gurmehar Kaur Issue In 3 Tweets


On Sunday, Virender Sehwag had posted his photo, holding a placard which read "I did not score two triple centuries, my bat did". The tweet triggered a deluge of reactions.

Virender Sehwag, in the middle of a burgeoning controversy for having supposedly mocked Delhi University student Gurmehar Kaur, tweeted on Wednesday, calling his initial post on the social media platform "facetious rather than one to bully anyone". The former India batsman, who now is a regular on Twitter, putting up his take of things on many subjects, also went on to state that Gurmehar had the right to express her views, but so did the Phogat sisters, wrestlers Geeta and Babita.

Geeta and Babita Phogat had come out with their own statements criticising Gurmehar Kaur on her stand on Pakistan.

"My tweet was an attempt to be facetious rather than one to bully anyone over their opinion. Agreement or disagreement wasn't even a factor," Sehwag said in his recent Twitter post.

"She has a right to express her views and anyone who threatens her with violence or rape is the lowest form of life" he went on to state, referring to the allegations made by Gurmehar that she had been threatened with rape after her stand against student body ABVP after the violence in Ramjas College in Delhi University last week.

"Everyone has a right to express their views without being bullied or threatened. Gurmehar Kaur or the Phogat sisters," Sehwag further tweeted.

On Sunday, Sehwag had posted his photo, holding a placard which read "I did not score two triple centuries, my bat did". The tweet triggered a deluge of reactions.

The former India opener's tweet appeared to be in response to the student's earlier Facebook post that gained major traction on social media networks. In a video post, she had appealed for peace between India and Pakistan with messages on placards, one of which said, "Pakistan did not kill my dad, war killed him'.

The 20-year-old has been given police protection after she alleged rape threats over her posts against the ABVP.
On Tuesday, she pulled out of a march against campus violence at the Delhi University, by teachers and students.
In a series of tweets, Ms Kaur said "that's all I can take", but appealed to others to join the "Save DU" march in huge numbers. "To anyone questioning my courage and bravery. I've shown more than enough," she wrote.

Link

That's the point Sehwag.

You are criticized not for your views but your facetious post to troll/mock a poor girl's viewpoint about her father's death. Which IS a form of bullying.

"She has a right to express her views and anyone who threatens her with violence or rape is the lowest form of life" he went on to state, referring to the allegations made by Gurmehar that she had been threatened with rape after her stand against student body ABVP after the violence in Ramjas College in Delhi University last week.

"Everyone has a right to express their views without being bullied or threatened. Gurmehar Kaur or the Phogat sisters," Sehwag further tweeted.

Good comments otherwise.

 

[DW44]

I have no idea about Pakistan but in India the so called liberal leftist have been at the forefront of using violence.

The SFI the leftist students union is notorious for using violence in India esp in colleges.I studied my entire college life in a SFI ruled college.People were forced to take part in their programme if you refuse you will be beaten up the next day.I didnt suffer anything because of my family's connections but it wasnt the best expereince.The leftist Naxals and Maoists are another violent terror organisation.So in India the use of violence or illegal methods isnt limited to right only.

But overall there is considerable freedom of speech.

Can't speak to your personal experiences nor have I personally observed how Indian society functions but I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree because I find it hard to believe, given the kind of news coming our of India and what real life friends from there have to say on the matter. I also find it hard to believe that liberals and conservatives in India are on an equal footing because from all accounts, the numerical disparity appears absolutely massive and that's not something the right wouldn't take advantage of. I'm sure you'll understand why I find it hard to believe given my own experiences with ultra rightists on this side of the border who I don't find very dissimilar to you in terms of political views and in their case at least, when they blame 'liberal fascists' or Islamophobes(Pakistani equivalent of what Indians would call sickulars, appeasers, pro Pakistan etc), I know for a fact that they're being intellectually dishonest and trying to justify their own peers' actions by creating a straw man of liberal extremists(or its Indian equivalent) and blowing one or two isolated incidents out of proportion to portray as if both sides are equally guilty. That's not to say you're doing the same thing, I couldn't possibly know that for a fact but I'm sure you'll understand that it certainly seems that way from where I'm sitting.

Pakistan is a sensitive topic.It goes beyond freedom of speech etc.Just like in Europe you cant deny holocaust,in India support of Pakistan or defending Pakistan isnt something about freedom of speech or choice.Pakistan is synonymous with 4 wars were thousands lost their lives,its synonymous with Mumbai attacks etc etc.So pakistan related issues dont define freedom of speech in India.Its an exception

PS:By Pakistan i mean the state.

PPS: Not freedom is absolute.

That's not how it works. This is a favorite tactic of the right to silence any discourse on uncomfortable issues by claiming that it's sensitive, or sacrosanct and therefore not open to debate. This is what Pakistanis do with respect to Islam and there are actually laws that can be used to kill people who defy the ban on any debate on the matter. Free speech, by definition, exists to cover uncomfortable and sensitive issues because, as I've said before, you don't need free speech protection to praise your mom's chicken biryani or sing the national anthem. Holocaust denial is a completely different matter and, in my opinion, the few European countries that do ban it are in the wrong though it's somewhat understandable because the holocaust was the greatest humanitarian catastrophe of the century and denial of the holocaust is usually not done in isolation, it is generally the domain of far right extremists who usually add a healthy dose of hate speech to go along with it which is the problem. Supporting Pakistan cricket team does not in any way impinge on anyone's rights, the most it can do being to hurt someone's emotions which is not something you can legislate against.

 

[Varun]

Sehwag rushing in to firefight this one.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">My tweet was an attempt to be facetious rather than one to bully anyone over their opinion. Agreement or disagreement wasn't even a factor.</p>— Virender Sehwag (@virendersehwag) <a href="https://twitter.com/virendersehwag/status/836819217810878464">March 1, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">She has a right to express her views and anyone who threatens her with violence or rape is the lowest form of life.</p>— Virender Sehwag (@virendersehwag) <a href="https://twitter.com/virendersehwag/status/836819340108365825">March 1, 2017</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Everyone has a right to express their views without being bullied or threatened. Gurmehar Kaur or the Phogat sisters.</p>— Virender Sehwag (@virendersehwag) <a href="https://twitter.com/virendersehwag/status/836819524661960704">March 1, 2017</a></blockquote>
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Followed by some conventional tweets for a change. Maybe he's realized that if he keeps freestyling like this it's only a matter of time before he 'gets a ball with his name on it'?

Either way, you can't be sure he penned these tweets. "Facetious" and other terms are not words I'd associate with Sehwag.

 

[JaDed]

[MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION] India initially were victim to leftist goons,we had massive student movements in the 70's and we got very bad leaders from that Laloo,Mulayam etc ,the CPM has been a constant nuisance as well.But since 1990's the tide has turned the other way ,but again its state dependent.

Our left or socialism since 70's isn't equivalent to the one practiced in western countries.

 

[DW44]

[MENTION=26195]DW44[/MENTION] India initially were victim to leftist goons,we had massive student movements in the 70's and we got very bad leaders from that Laloo,Mulayam etc ,the CPM has been a constant nuisance as well.But since 1990's the tide has turned the other way ,but again its state dependent.

Our left or socialism since 70's isn't equivalent to the one practiced in western countries.

I clarified earlier that I was using the terms left and right very loosely (and at times incorrectly) to refer specifically to social liberalism(left) and conservatism of both the religious and nationalist varieties(right), and not in the academic sense to refer to the political ideologies these terms entail. When I say leftist on this thread, Im not referring to Maoists or Naxalites but specifically to liberals such as myself irrespective of their views on politics and economics. It's just a simplification for convenience.

 

[princeuk]

She is a daughter of a martyr, she can express her views however she sees fit and good on her trying to do it in a peaceful manner without preaching hate. Little did she realise the furore surrounding the tweet at the time, people condemning her is just disgusting. You would think that she is Hitler as opposed to being the daughter of a soldier. She doesn't need to be taught nationalism when her own father fought for her country.

 

[kabbirann]

Facetiousghane bade words aa gaye ne chore ko.
Anyway good he realized the error of his ways.
And Gautam Gambhir is a beautiful man.Love his message.
Unlike other pretenders and opportunists,he has genuine love for the Indian army.

 

[GreenKnightRises]

Sehwag has been a joke outside cricket. No big surprise!!