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Vladimir Putin Challenges Joe Biden To A Live Online Debate

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Russian leader Vladimir Putin – in response to Joe Biden’s extraordinary comments during his interview with George Stephanopoulos on ABC News where he called the Russian a “killer” – has today, Thursday 18, challenged the US President to take part in a live online debate with him, as early as tomorrow, Friday he said.

Speaking on Russian state TV network RT, Putin also threatened retaliation if Biden didn’t apologise for his comments on ABC News, but suggested that he would call on the Russian Foreign Ministry to approach Biden’s administration about the discussion.

https://www.euroweeklynews.com/2021/03/19/vladimir-putin-challenges-joe-biden-live-online-debate/

Putin would wipe the floor with Sleepy Joe. :))

Is Biden deluded? A man known as a warmonger, responsible for killing and destorying nations cannot call anyone else a killer.
 
Putin will eat Biden alive.

Biden has yet to give a press conference to the media. Still waiting. Biden relies on cue cards and teleprompters.

Biden is a killer. If Putin ordered killings, Biden approved killings (Iraq 2003).

Same difference.
 
Putin will eat Biden alive.

Biden has yet to give a press conference to the media. Still waiting. Biden relies on cue cards and teleprompters.

Biden is a killer. If Putin ordered killings, Biden approved killings (Iraq 2003).

Same difference.

There are also suggestions Biden is told what policies to make. The bloke seem mentally incapable of doing anything let alone being Potus.

Biden has swiftly resorted to bombing Iraq again, he has some sort of sick fetish with this land. His next target is Iran but even sleepy Joe knows Iran is not Iraq, it will cause a huge war.

Why do you feel Americans or others support Biden, who is clearly imparied in more than one way?
 
Guess Putin is still salty over Bush Snr wiping the floor with Russians and breaking Soviet.

Putin should realize his pawn is no more in the white house now.

Russia couldn't even stop Azerbaijan smacking Armenia.
 
Guess Putin is still salty over Bush Snr wiping the floor with Russians and breaking Soviet.

Putin should realize his pawn is no more in the white house now.

Russia couldn't even stop Azerbaijan smacking Armenia.

Putin was a agent under Soviets but he is more Orthodox Christian.

Not sure why you are attacking Putin, Biden was first to call him a killer, he only responded.

Putin walked into Crimea, USA and Europe couldnt do anything.

Russia is allies with both Azeris and Armenians.
 
Biden was pretty sharp in his prime, may have stood a chance back then. Definitely not now.

However, the Putin love is pretty disturbing here, though we know the religious aren't against authoritarianism when they agree with it.
 
Guess Putin is still salty over Bush Snr wiping the floor with Russians and breaking Soviet.

Putin should realize his pawn is no more in the white house now.

Russia couldn't even stop Azerbaijan smacking Armenia.

Russia annexed Crimea when there were no pawns in the Whitehouse. What did the West do?

What's your point again?
 
There are also suggestions Biden is told what policies to make. The bloke seem mentally incapable of doing anything let alone being Potus.

Biden has swiftly resorted to bombing Iraq again, he has some sort of sick fetish with this land. His next target is Iran but even sleepy Joe knows Iran is not Iraq, it will cause a huge war.

Why do you feel Americans or others support Biden, who is clearly imparied in more than one way?

Biden is mentally unstable for the job. This is clear as daylight. Biden mustn't have access to nuclear codes let alone sensitive information.

However, Biden forgets his scripted lines, but still remembers to wage war in the ME!

Zionists have Biden on life support.
 
Russia annexed Crimea when there were no pawns in the Whitehouse. What did the West do?

What's your point again?

I doubt he/she has a point.

Russian Foriegn Sec is heading to China soon, both will find new statergies to counter American hegomony.

Yanks will be regret ousting Trump via propaganda, because Biden will seriously damage America his tenure continues.

@Mods poll please ,who would win the debate?
 
Why would Biden debate? Like literally what would he gain out of it?

Putin just acting like a teenage girl giving out challenges which no one is interested in lol
 
Why would Biden debate? Like literally what would he gain out of it?

Putin just acting like a teenage girl giving out challenges which no one is interested in lol

He called Putin a killer, a big statement from an old man who doesnt know what day of the week it is.

The world would love to see such a live debate, its a great idea. Sadly for Yanks , their old man would be taken apart. Trump destoryed Biden, it would be like Afridi batting against a child off spinner who cant spin the ball.
 
He called Putin a killer, a big statement from an old man who doesnt know what day of the week it is.

The world would love to see such a live debate, its a great idea. Sadly for Yanks , their old man would be taken apart. Trump destoryed Biden, it would be like Afridi batting against a child off spinner who cant spin the ball.

Afridi missed a lot of straight ones in his career though so perhaps we don’t know what will happen in this :))
 
Afridi missed a lot of straight ones in his career though so perhaps we don’t know what will happen in this :))

He's never batted against a 5 year old, who is blind too. :))

What is the perecption in the US atm? Are Americans worried about his foriegn policy of more war mongering or dont they care anymore?
 
This would be a lose-lose situation for Biden, there is no way he would or should even consider this.
 
Bit of a silly threat from Putin but in general he is more shrewd than any other political leader and had managed to combat what he feels is US aggression over the past decade or so.

Putin outmanoeuvred the orange idiot and he will likely run rings around sleepy Joe too.
 
Bit of a silly threat from Putin but in general he is more shrewd than any other political leader and had managed to combat what he feels is US aggression over the past decade or so.

Putin outmanoeuvred the orange idiot and he will likely run rings around sleepy Joe too.

Yet it’s the Russian economy which is in the dumps
 
He can bearly walk up stairs, this is brilliant! :)))


With all respect, this is not funny. He is almost 80 and he was trying to run up the stairs and lost balance thrice.

But I still don’t like him as he is another warmonger.
 
Yet it’s the Russian economy which is in the dumps

They are quite oil dependant and will bounce back a bit when restrictions are lifted worldwide. In the meantime the Americans have resorted to randomly printing off fake money to keep their economy going and people happy. Chickens will come home to roost soon.

Despite their lack of financial strength Russia have tightened their grip on satellite states and pushed back against American aggression in the ME.

Russia today has considerable clout worldwide, and despite his fans views, Trump has tarnished their image globally ( apart from Israeli eyes). Biden has a lot of work to do and he probably isn't up to it.

Putin has pulled a master stroke with his manipulations of trump, his supporters and US politics. Even this statement is clever manipulation! Trump fans will chest thump that Biden is running scared etc.

Don't underestimate the man. America has been pushed back significantly in all areas.
 
With all respect, this is not funny. He is almost 80 and he was trying to run up the stairs and lost balance thrice.

But I still don’t like him as he is another warmonger.

He feel three times, it's hillarious.

No sympathy for warmongers, his little knee didnt feel the pain of his bombs.
 
However, the Putin love is pretty disturbing here, though we know the religious aren't against authoritarianism when they agree with it.


It’s truly sad to see people here siding with this dreadful man who killed and displaced so many Muslims.

Biden supported the Iraq War so is evil, while Putin slaughtered the Chechens and Syrian rebels but gets a free pass because he opposes the West. Weapons-grade cognitive dissonance.

Is it something to do with religion? Their God is a judgemental authoritarian, so they associate the Putins of this world with God? It is ok by them to be horrible as long as one is consistently so? - unlike Biden who at least tries to do the right thing but sometimes has not, and so commits the ultimate sin (here) of having double standards.
 
Bit of a silly threat from Putin but in general he is more shrewd than any other political leader and had managed to combat what he feels is US aggression over the past decade or so.

Putin outmanoeuvred the orange idiot and he will likely run rings around sleepy Joe too.

Putin had kompromat on the orange idiot, who could only get credit from Russian oligarchs so was doubly compromised.
 
With all respect, this is not funny. He is almost 80 and he was trying to run up the stairs and lost balance thrice.

But I still don’t like him as he is another warmonger.

President O’s book tells that Veep Biden came to regret his support for the Iraq War, always spoke against further military action in Cabinet, and was a bulwark against pressure from the military-industrial complex.
 
Putin has picked up on China's strategy and would humiliate Biden in a debate. Putin would simply use the US media to obliterate Biden.
 
Well Putin will surely win the debate and Biden has no chance.
Whatever Putin is, he surely is much more smarter and in control of things and has done whatever he wanted to do without check, and Americans are not saints themselves.
But, [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] it is strange to see you support Putin. You know what he did in Chechnya right?
 
Surely you are better than this?

It was funny to see him fall because he has been pretending to be energetic and physically active with sprint in his steps. At least walk like the geriatric you are and don't pretend to be someone else.
 
Useless and meaningless PR barbs. Could not care less about a "Russia vs USA: who's more evil?" debate. And I certainly have no time for that despicable war criminal authoritarian Putin.
 
President O’s book tells that Veep Biden came to regret his support for the Iraq War, always spoke against further military action in Cabinet, and was a bulwark against pressure from the military-industrial complex.

It must be great to regret a decision that led to the loss of millions of lives and be compensated with millions and become President of the country. In your job within Health and Safety, or mines within a similar field, if we make a small error that indirectly leads to injury we would be most likely be fired and probably unemployable.

These monsters who destroyed Iraq have all kept their power and influence. They conveniently cry a few crocodile tears here and there yet keep their positions of privilege. It is a sad world we live in.
 
Hideous comment. Why hate? It benefits you not at all.

That is not his natural walk but to impress voters he has been walking with spring in his steps. Even many young people don't walk like that. He is trying too hard to pretend. If he wants respect for his age he should stop acting and walk like an elderly person.
 
It must be great to regret a decision that led to the loss of millions of lives and be compensated with millions and become President of the country. In your job within Health and Safety, or mines within a similar field, if we make a small error that indirectly leads to injury we would be most likely be fired and probably unemployable.

These monsters who destroyed Iraq have all kept their power and influence. They conveniently cry a few crocodile tears here and there yet keep their positions of privilege. It is a sad world we live in.

Rather a false equivalence there with HS. Biden didn’t keep his position of “privilege” - he was re-elected to positions of service multiple times.
 
Useless and meaningless PR barbs. Could not care less about a "Russia vs USA: who's more evil?" debate. And I certainly have no time for that despicable war criminal authoritarian Putin.

Most sensible post on the thread.
 
President O’s book tells that Veep Biden came to regret his support for the Iraq War, always spoke against further military action in Cabinet, and was a bulwark against pressure from the military-industrial complex.

Oh, Biden regretted his decision? Then he must be awarded the nobel peace prize. What a kind hearted person he is, and his regret is surely going to heal the million iraqis.
 
Rather a false equivalence there with HS. Biden didn’t keep his position of “privilege” - he was re-elected to positions of service multiple times.

The fact that he was able to be re-elected and forgiven, just by shedding a few crocodile tears of regret, and not rotting in a jail cell is the best demonstration of privilege that I have ever seen.
 
It’s truly sad to see people here siding with this dreadful man who killed and displaced so many Muslims.

Biden supported the Iraq War so is evil, while Putin slaughtered the Chechens and Syrian rebels but gets a free pass because he opposes the West. Weapons-grade cognitive dissonance.

Is it something to do with religion? Their God is a judgemental authoritarian, so they associate the Putins of this world with God? It is ok by them to be horrible as long as one is consistently so? - unlike Biden who at least tries to do the right thing but sometimes has not, and so commits the ultimate sin (here) of having double standards.

Such is the problem with divine command theory, and they do seem to be applying something similar to a dictator they somewhat agree with, as you say. Very sad.

Though I will say that it may be a bit too charitable to say Biden tries to do the right thing, since he's a corporatist and historically was a warmonger. Though I admit he likely just bows to his donors and overlords, rather than killing those who disagree with him, compares gay people to pedophiles, and killed Chechens and Syrians as you said. Also good friends with the reprehensible Ramzan Kadyrov, too. The anti-West sentiment of many posters here makes me wonder why they still live here and reap the benefits.
 
Well Putin will surely win the debate and Biden has no chance.
Whatever Putin is, he surely is much more smarter and in control of things and has done whatever he wanted to do without check, and Americans are not saints themselves.
But, [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION] it is strange to see you support Putin. You know what he did in Chechnya right?

Chechnya is far more stable and at peace than ever before. Their war started with the Soviets, Putin has since helped to mend ties. Im not suggesting Putin is an angel but his policies have possibly saved the world from a huge war. Put drew a line in the sand in Syria. If Nato invaded we would be seeing an all out war with Iran. Russia has also improved ties with numerous countries inc Pakistan.

I dont have the time to write all the wars, crimes and economic terrorist policies of the US and its allies.

There is an idiotic argument westeners cant criticise foriegn policy as they live in these nations. On the contrary westerners have the most right to object to their nations killings of other people and destruction of others land, because eventually it will harm the west.
 
Chechnya is far more stable and at peace than ever before. Their war started with the Soviets, Putin has since helped to mend ties. Im not suggesting Putin is an angel but his policies have possibly saved the world from a huge war. Put drew a line in the sand in Syria. If Nato invaded we would be seeing an all out war with Iran. Russia has also improved ties with numerous countries inc Pakistan.

I dont have the time to write all the wars, crimes and economic terrorist policies of the US and its allies.

There is an idiotic argument westeners cant criticise foriegn policy as they live in these nations. On the contrary westerners have the most right to object to their nations killings of other people and destruction of others land, because eventually it will harm the west.

Yes, very stable when gay purges have happened regularly, Kadyrov has defended honour killings, executes those who criticise him, his paramilitary forces have tortured, raped and killed, he has enforced Islamic dress code, and is openly misogynistic. There is likely much more, I don't know too much about him. I'm guessing you'll defend him, too?
 
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-usa-diplomacy/russian-envoy-to-u-s-back-in-moscow-after-biden-calls-putin-a-killer-tass-idUSKBN2BD07O?il=0

Russia’s ambassador to the United States arrived in Moscow on Sunday for discussions on how to address sliding U.S.-Russia relations after U.S. President Joe Biden said he thought Vladimir Putin was a killer, the TASS news agency reported.

The Russian Foreign Ministry announced on Wednesday it was recalling its ambassador, Anatoly Antonov, for urgent talks after Biden said in an ABC interview he thought President Putin was a killer who would “pay a price” for alleged U.S. election meddling - an accusation that Moscow denies.

Putin responded to Biden by citing a Russian children’s playground chant that “he who said it, did it”, and offered to hold live online talks with the U.S. president, a proposal Biden has not so far taken up.

The Russian embassy in Washington’s social media accounts posted a picture of Antonov in the early hours of Sunday morning at a U.S. airport, with an Aeroflot plane idling on the runway.

“Russian Ambassador Anatoly Antonov is on his way to Moscow to participate in consultations on rectifying Russia-U.S. relations,” the embassy said.

Both countries have said they will only cooperate when it is in their national interest to do so.

State TV’s First Channel said Antonov told reporters before boarding his plane that there a was a lot of work for the Russian foreign ministry and others to do, but that he had no doubt that keeping lines of communication open was in the interests of the American people.

The channel then read out what it said were excerpts of letters sent to Antonov by Americans before his departure, apologising for Biden’s comments about Putin.

TASS said a plane carrying Antonov had touched down at Moscow’s Sheremtyevo airport on Sunday morning.
 
Chechnya is far more stable and at peace than ever before. Their war started with the Soviets, Putin has since helped to mend ties. Im not suggesting Putin is an angel but his policies have possibly saved the world from a huge war. Put drew a line in the sand in Syria. If Nato invaded we would be seeing an all out war with Iran. Russia has also improved ties with numerous countries inc Pakistan.

I dont have the time to write all the wars, crimes and economic terrorist policies of the US and its allies.

There is an idiotic argument westeners cant criticise foriegn policy as they live in these nations. On the contrary westerners have the most right to object to their nations killings of other people and destruction of others land, because eventually it will harm the west.

Mend ties, indeed.

Putin was directly responsible for WW2-level atrocities during the Second Chechen War:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/mar/05/russia.chechnya

He was also responsible for deliberate attacks on civilian hospitals in the Syrian Civil War:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian–Syrian_hospital_bombing_campaign

And has committed further war crimes in the annexation of part of Ukraine:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2014/09/ukraine-mounting-evidence-war-crimes-and-russian-involvement/
 
Mend ties, indeed.

Putin was directly responsible for WW2-level atrocities during the Second Chechen War:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/mar/05/russia.chechnya

He was also responsible for deliberate attacks on civilian hospitals in the Syrian Civil War:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian–Syrian_hospital_bombing_campaign

And has committed further war crimes in the annexation of part of Ukraine:

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2014/09/ukraine-mounting-evidence-war-crimes-and-russian-involvement/

I could be here all week listing the crimes and war crimes of USA and UK.

But one will do, Iraq. Putin could live 5 lives and still wont be able to kill as many people as western state terrorism.
 
I could be here all week listing the crimes and war crimes of USA and UK.

But one will do, Iraq. Putin could live 5 lives and still wont be able to kill as many people as western state terrorism.

Putin killed a lot of Muslims in Chechnya and Dagestan. He also is the main supporter of the Assad regime which has killed hundreds of thousands of Syrians. I don't get the idolization of Putin by "anti-imperialists" when Russia is just as bad.
 
Putin killed a lot of Muslims in Chechnya and Dagestan. He also is the main supporter of the Assad regime which has killed hundreds of thousands of Syrians. I don't get the idolization of Putin by "anti-imperialists" when Russia is just as bad.

He's not just as bad lol.

USA and it's allies policies have killed 4 million people in the last 2 decades.

Putin has transformed Chechnya and Dagestan, otherwise proud Dagestanis like Khabib wouldnt be meeting up with him and showing him love.

Its not an idolization, it's a reality check Russia under Putin means less war, less killings and less destruction of nations. Putin saved Syria, the so called rebels are terrorists who are armed by the Yanks, as admitted by them. Without Putin, Syria would be invaded, Iran would be attacked. I know you're American but truth is what matters not patriotism.
 
He's not just as bad lol.

USA and it's allies policies have killed 4 million people in the last 2 decades.

Putin has transformed Chechnya and Dagestan, otherwise proud Dagestanis like Khabib wouldnt be meeting up with him and showing him love.

Its not an idolization, it's a reality check Russia under Putin means less war, less killings and less destruction of nations. Putin saved Syria, the so called rebels are terrorists who are armed by the Yanks, as admitted by them. Without Putin, Syria would be invaded, Iran would be attacked. I know you're American but truth is what matters not patriotism.

That is not an argument. When a world leader like Putin invites you, you go. Khabib is a very proud, strong and principled man, but that is nothing compared to one of the scariest men in the world with the 3rd strongest military. You can't use baseless assertions like that as evidence of Putin 'transforming' Afghanistan.

The US' deplorable foreign policy decisions, and being killers themselves, don't change the fact that Putin is a killer.
 
This is just a distraction from all the crap he is pulling in Russia with the Navalney situation.
 
Putin has transformed Chechnya and Dagestan, otherwise proud Dagestanis like Khabib wouldnt be meeting up with him and showing him love.

It’s not love. When a thug like Putin who rules Russia with an iron fist and makes dissenters disappear calls you; then you show up regardless of what you think.

The history of Russia and ‘Dagestanis’ like Khabib is fraught and there can never be love till they are allowed to return to their natural homelands form which they were forcibly banished.
 
It’s not love. When a thug like Putin who rules Russia with an iron fist and makes dissenters disappear calls you; then you show up regardless of what you think.

The history of Russia and ‘Dagestanis’ like Khabib is fraught and there can never be love till they are allowed to return to their natural homelands form which they were forcibly banished.

He's no angel but the debate is comparing him to Biden and USA to Russia. There is no debate when it comes to death and destruction around the world. When Biden accuses others of being killers, it's a huge hypocisy. A live debate would have been interesting to watch.
 
I could be here all week listing the crimes and war crimes of USA and UK.

But one will do, Iraq. Putin could live 5 lives and still wont be able to kill as many people as western state terrorism.

Always more evasions and deflections.

Why do you not hold Putin to the same moral standard that you do the West?
 
Putin is the OG from KGB days, he has a bone to pick with the world for the collapse of the USSR. He has been around the USSR government since 1975- which means he was around when USSR invaded Afghanistan resulting in a whole lot of mess we have to deal with today.

No matter which way you look at it, the soviet war in Afghanistan also directly and indirectly ended up in extinguishing too many innocent lives and the mess is around even today. I dont think this dude is any better than the Cheneys, Karl Roves, Bushes, Rumsfelds of the world.
 
Russia says U.S. rebuffal of Putin-Biden talks after killer allegation is a missed opportunity

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia said on Monday that a U.S. refusal to organise live online talks between Vladimir Putin and Joe Biden after the U.S. president said he believed his Russian counterpart was a killer amounted to a serious missed opportunity.

Putin said last week that he and Biden should hold such talks in the coming days after diplomatic ties sank to a new post-Cold War low following Biden’s comments in an ABC interview.

“We note with regret that the American side has not supported (Putin’s) proposal to hold talks with U.S President Biden...to discuss problems that have built up in bilateral relations and also the theme around strategic (nuclear) stability,” Russia’s foreign ministry said in a statement.

“Another opportunity has been missed to search for a way out of the dead end in Russian-American relations caused by Washington. Responsibility for this lies entirely with the United States.”

Russia’s ambassador to the United States, Anatoly Antonov, arrived in Moscow on Sunday for discussions on how to address sliding U.S.-Russia relations after Moscow recalled him for talks.

On Monday, Antonov was spotted leaving the foreign ministry building, but declined to comment, the TASS news agency reported.

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN2BE1B5
 
I think people like Robert et al fail to realise the glaring fact. No one loves Putin, Xi, Erdogan or Duterte because they are considered visionary leaders, but because they stand up to the bully that is USA/UK. Lets face it, we all like someone who stands up to a bully.

Speaking of bullies; it is pure jokes Biden felt remorse over his decision in 2003. How naive to believe this nonsense given Biden approved air strikes on Iraq and refuses to reenter the Iran nuclear peace deal as President.
 
Always more evasions and deflections.

Why do you not hold Putin to the same moral standard that you do the West?

To me it looks like his moral standard is quite clear. He is judging Putin vs USA based on countries invaded and people killed, and when held to that standard there is a clear difference between the two.

Putin does have expansionist aims though. I would have loved for the UK to remain in the EU and become a bulwark for peace and progression sandwiched in between the USA and Russia. Instead I fear we will out of necessity pulled towards the USA and have to back their aggressive tendencies again.
 
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To me it looks like his moral standard is quite clear. He is judging Putin vs USA based on countries invaded and people killed, and when held to that standard there is a clear difference between the two.

Putin does have expansionist aims though. I would have loved for the UK to remain in the EU and become a bulwark for peace and progression sandwiched in between the USA and Russia. Instead I fear we will out of necessity pulled towards the USA and have to back their aggressive tendencies again.

Putin vs USA? Ok so that means countries invaded and people killed in the last twenty years.

Putin invaded: South Ossetia, Georgia and Ukraine. He would roll tanks on the Baltic states too, but NATO is protecting them from him.

People killed: 300,000 Chechens, 10,000 Ukrainians and an unknown number of Syrians.

If there are people on this thread who consider this good behaviour then they should go and live in Russia. But I bet they won’t because deep down they know they are better off in the West which has laws to protect them from racism and Islamophobia as well as freedom of speech. For the moment anyway.

I suspect you may be right about closer ties with USA. The joy of Brexit. Lean towards English speakers. A change of government here will make us friendlier to the EU.
 
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Always more evasions and deflections.

Why do you not hold Putin to the same moral standard that you do the West?

Putin does not have to challenge Sleepy Joe for a debate. Just challenge him to climb on stairs and see who comes first.
 
I think people like Robert et al fail to realise the glaring fact. No one loves Putin, Xi, Erdogan or Duterte because they are considered visionary leaders, but because they stand up to the bully that is USA/UK. Lets face it, we all like someone who stands up to a bully.

....while also killing Muslim civilians en masse in different countries.
 
He's not just as bad lol.

USA and it's allies policies have killed 4 million people in the last 2 decades.

Putin has transformed Chechnya and Dagestan, otherwise proud Dagestanis like Khabib wouldnt be meeting up with him and showing him love.

Its not an idolization, it's a reality check Russia under Putin means less war, less killings and less destruction of nations. Putin saved Syria, the so called rebels are terrorists who are armed by the Yanks, as admitted by them. Without Putin, Syria would be invaded, Iran would be attacked. I know you're American but truth is what matters not patriotism.

Four million indeed. I would be prepared to accept one million in terms of total enhanced morbidity in Iraq, mainly due to collapsed infrastructure.

“Putin has transformed Chechnya” - by murdering hundreds of thousands of civilians and displacing as many.

If you want truth - without NATO, all the Baltic states would be absorbed by Russia, as was Georgia and the Crimea. And I think you know it, though perhaps you don’t care about them.

If you blame the West for war, you must blame Putin too. Anything else is dishonesty.
 
....while also killing Muslim civilians en masse in different countries.

Martin McGuinness who was also a terrorist, he killed white and black folk up and down the UK. Your view on MM? Freedom fighter just like Mandela right?

You just don't like Putin cos he's Russian. That's bordering racist to be honest, or if it were another Russian leader, would you change your feelings toward Russia?
 
Martin McGuinness who was also a terrorist, he killed white and black folk up and down the UK. Your view on MM? Freedom fighter just like Mandela right?

You just don't like Putin cos he's Russian. That's bordering racist to be honest, or if it were another Russian leader, would you change your feelings toward Russia?

McGuinness was a man of violence who became a man of peace. He got it right in the end.

I like plenty of Russians. My favourite composer Tschaikovsky. Rimsky-Korsakov, Borodin, Sakharov, Gagarin. Just not the ones who slaughter hundreds of thousands of people, invade other countries, disappear hundreds of journalists.
 
McGuinness was a man of violence who became a man of peace. He got it right in the end.

I like plenty of Russians. My favourite composer Tschaikovsky. Rimsky-Korsakov, Borodin, Sakharov, Gagarin. Just not the ones who slaughter hundreds of thousands of people, invade other countries, disappear hundreds of journalists.

McG was a terrorist and if you are supporting a terrorist because peace was achieved then it's no different to supporting Putin because he has brought about some stability in the ME by thwarting Western efforts to destroy the region.

As for slaughtering and invading other countries, it seems you don't care who is slaughtered which country is invaded as long the guy at the top who gives the orders redeems himself. Biden, McG, Mandela, Bush, Blair to name a few.

You conveniently forget about what the West has done, continues to do, yet support Western governments but when it's pointed out you call it a mistake, or redemption.

I don't think you are interested in cause; you will go mainly by what the media says.

Of course this is nothing to say of your silence on Palestine - cannot have you criticising Isreal right? Or do you not care for a humanitarian crisis?

I think you are cluthing starws on this one, and I don't think you realise how hypocritical your views are.
 
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McGuinness was a man of violence who became a man of peace. He got it right in the end.

I like plenty of Russians. My favourite composer Tschaikovsky. Rimsky-Korsakov, Borodin, Sakharov, Gagarin. Just not the ones who slaughter hundreds of thousands of people, invade other countries, disappear hundreds of journalists.

So all President Putin has to do to get into your good books is to "get it right" in the end.
 
while west has hollywood to tell the whole world they are the good guys.

Exactly. The West uses tools such as the media to change the perception of history. The Russian villain in movies is making a come back after almost 20 years of the Islamist villian.

I don't blame Robert and his generation for their views. He might say social media is a tool these days, but I doubt he realises the Radio, Newspaper, and early TV were brainwashing tools for the masses.
 
while west has hollywood to tell the whole world they are the good guys.

But we also have a free press, unlike Russia.

All my comments I have made are to demonstrate that Putin has been a mass killer of Muslims like the West. But you give him a free pass. You guys complain about Western double standards forever, but don’t like your own pointed out to you.
 
Bottom line is Russia and West are no different apart from their methods.

One difference is we can have this conversation in the West and nothing happens to either of us.

If we tried it in Russia, one of us would get disappeared.
 
But we also have a free press, unlike Russia.

All my comments I have made are to demonstrate that Putin has been a mass killer of Muslims like the West. But you give him a free pass. You guys complain about Western double standards forever, but don’t like your own pointed out to you.

"you guys" such a racist thing to say. We are not "you guys", we are all different and our opinions are diverse.
 
As for Russian and Muslim movie villains, nearly every Hollywood baddie in the last thirty years has been a well spoken Englishman. Yanks are scared of brainy, emotionally controlled people.
 
But we also have a free press, unlike Russia.

All my comments I have made are to demonstrate that Putin has been a mass killer of Muslims like the West. But you give him a free pass. You guys complain about Western double standards forever, but don’t like your own pointed out to you.

Nope. West doesn't have free press. The press is only free if it reports according to an agenda.

Social platforms in the West are shutting down accounts, not because the content breaks the laws, but because the content doesn't comply.

This is a fact.

Your comments towards Putin have little do with him killing Muslims, but more to do with him being Russian. You said the same about Putin's right hand man, who never killed Muslims.

Russia is the bogeyman as far as you are concerned, regardless of what its leaders do.

Still, Russia has made more progress that the West in the past 2 decades. Russia and China are joining forces to ditch to USD. The pendulum of power and economics is shifting towards the East, but you're still stuck in the Cold War mentality.

If you really cared about world peace you would at the very least look at how UK should be trying to build bridges with countries in the East, rather than follow the 'he's my enemy so he must be your enemy' malarky from the USA.
 
As for Russian and Muslim movie villains, nearly every Hollywood baddie in the last thirty years has been a well spoken Englishman. Yanks are scared of brainy, emotionally controlled people.

You are an expert in the art of self praise.
 
Either Robert doesn't watch action movies/drama, or he is pulling our leg.

I think he's pulling our leg.
 
Putin vs USA? Ok so that means countries invaded and people killed in the last twenty years.

Putin invaded: South Ossetia, Georgia and Ukraine. He would roll tanks on the Baltic states too, but NATO is protecting them from him.

People killed: 300,000 Chechens, 10,000 Ukrainians and an unknown number of Syrians.

If there are people on this thread who consider this good behaviour then they should go and live in Russia. But I bet they won’t because deep down they know they are better off in the West which has laws to protect them from racism and Islamophobia as well as freedom of speech. For the moment anyway.

I suspect you may be right about closer ties with USA. The joy of Brexit. Lean towards English speakers. A change of government here will make us friendlier to the EU.

Those that are pro Russia will argue that NATO is the threatening one by pushing itself into countries on Russias borders.

There are no Russian troops in Mexico or Canada yet Russia is seen as hostile. In contrast, the USA has troops stationed in all countries of the world.

I bet if we were to do a poll of the 7 billion people in the world about who was the least hostile nation, America or Russia the results would be overwhelmingly in favour of Russia.

Most people in this thread don't consider Russia's behaviour good or have any intention of living there. The standard of living in the UK is superior to most countries in the world, we aren't holding Russia up as the standard to aim for there. My own opinion is that our establishment holds Russia up as a hostile and somewhat rogue state while excusing the behaviour of its closest ally, and this is hypocrisy.

Now we can argue that this type of hypocrisy is needed in geopolitics to further the aims of the country and that is something I can accept....but to paint one side as a boogieman and the other as a saint is quite wrong.
 
Those that are pro Russia will argue that NATO is the threatening one by pushing itself into countries on Russias borders.

There are no Russian troops in Mexico or Canada yet Russia is seen as hostile. In contrast, the USA has troops stationed in all countries of the world.

I bet if we were to do a poll of the 7 billion people in the world about who was the least hostile nation, America or Russia the results would be overwhelmingly in favour of Russia.

Most people in this thread don't consider Russia's behaviour good or have any intention of living there. The standard of living in the UK is superior to most countries in the world, we aren't holding Russia up as the standard to aim for there. My own opinion is that our establishment holds Russia up as a hostile and somewhat rogue state while excusing the behaviour of its closest ally, and this is hypocrisy.

Now we can argue that this type of hypocrisy is needed in geopolitics to further the aims of the country and that is something I can accept....but to paint one side as a boogieman and the other as a saint is quite wrong.

They might, but if countries want to join NATO we might consider who they are scared of and feel they need protection from.

Nobody is holding up anyone as a saint. Again and again I have made the point that both sides are to some extent devils. Choose your devil wisely, and sup together with a long spoon.
 
They might, but if countries want to join NATO we might consider who they are scared of and feel they need protection from.

Nobody is holding up anyone as a saint. Again and again I have made the point that both sides are to some extent devils. Choose your devil wisely, and sup together with a long spoon.

So it's a case of better the devil you know than the devil you don't?
 
It's all nonsense. Ask why the likes of Robert despise Russia, despite Russia helping UK win WW1 and WW2, and they have no answer since the post WW2 brainwashing was strong.

Irony is, those who despise Russia, are the first to defend the right of Israel to exist.

No Russia, no WW2 win. No illegal inception of Isreal. FACT.
 
It’s unbelievable what propaganda does.

I know one thing though. As a Muslim I will feel safe and be allowed to practice my religion in UK and US. That certainly is not the case in Russia.
 
It’s unbelievable what propaganda does.

I know one thing though. As a Muslim I will feel safe and be allowed to practice my religion in UK and US. That certainly is not the case in Russia.

And speaking from first-hand experience, nor in China.

Most of the folks that criticize the west are comfortable living there while glorifying regimes replete with horrors of which they have no true idea.
 
And speaking from first-hand experience, nor in China.

Most of the folks that criticize the west are comfortable living there while glorifying regimes replete with horrors of which they have no true idea.

Yea my family friend went for a 3 month summer exchange to St Petersburg. That city has only 2 mosques and one is a magnificent mosque which is called the Great Mosque and was built in 1800s. But he had to register to be able to go to the mosque. Like you can’t just show up like you do literally anywhere else in the world. And the mosque was not even allowed to hold 5 daily prayers and some Russian government guy would vet everyone going in and out to keep tabs on the Muslim population. He said due to such harsh rules; he barely ever saw any young people in the mosque due to this hassle. And obv if they don’t go the next generation may not either and slowly their Islamic heritage would just go away.

Imagine the outrage if this happened in US, UK or frankly any other Western European country.
 
Yea my family friend went for a 3 month summer exchange to St Petersburg. That city has only 2 mosques and one is a magnificent mosque which is called the Great Mosque and was built in 1800s. But he had to register to be able to go to the mosque. Like you can’t just show up like you do literally anywhere else in the world. And the mosque was not even allowed to hold 5 daily prayers and some Russian government guy would vet everyone going in and out to keep tabs on the Muslim population. He said due to such harsh rules; he barely ever saw any young people in the mosque due to this hassle. And obv if they don’t go the next generation may not either and slowly their Islamic heritage would just go away.

Imagine the outrage if this happened in US, UK or frankly any other Western European country.

It's similar in China. Most mosques are only authorized to offer congregational prayers once a week (on Friday).

You have MSS officers patrolling the mosques in most major towns without even bothering to hide their identities, and then randomly asking ideological questions of anyone that has the temerity to be in the same vicinity.
 
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It's all nonsense. Ask why the likes of Robert despise Russia, despite Russia helping UK win WW1 and WW2, and they have no answer since the post WW2 brainwashing was strong.

Irony is, those who despise Russia, are the first to defend the right of Israel to exist.

No Russia, no WW2 win. No illegal inception of Isreal. FACT.

The likes of Robert would argue that the Bolsheviks backed out of WW1 in 1917 resulting in a million German soldiers flooding to the Western front and the Entente almost losing the war.

In WW2 the British alliance with USSR was based on the need to destroy the common foe of Nazi Germany. But there was no illusion that the Stalin were basically as bad as Hitler. Much of Eastern Europe fell under a different totalitarianism. The West identified the Soviets as an existential threat by 1948 and the nuclear arms race began, with a vast Soviet tank army ready to roll Europe and proxy wars exploding everywhere.

By 1990 the Iron Curtain fell, the Soviet client states became democracies and Russia under Yeltsin was considered an ally, so there was a period of hope.

But by the late noughties Putin was on an expansionist track, rearming and starting Cold War Two.
 
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