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VVS Laxman vs Misbah-ul-Haq

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VVS Laxman
Born on 1 Nov 1974
8781 Runs @ 45.5 , 17 Hundreds, 56 Fifties
Highest Ranking- 6
Most notable innings- 281 vs Australia in 2001


Misbah Ul Haq
Born on 28 May 1974
5222 Runs @ 46.62, 10 hundreds, 39 Fifties
Highest Ranking- 6
Most Notable innings- 116 vs England in 2016


Both VVS and Misbah were supporting batsmen to much skillful team mates but both had their own moments. VVS was part famous Fab 4 and Misbah had Younis Khan. VVS was supreme against the best team of his generation while Misbah was successful captain of one of the most unstable team. VVS had ability to dominate Australia anywhere in the world in any format while Misbah handled Pakistan team with perfection after fixing scandal.

Who do you rate as a better test batsman and better test player overall ?
 
Look at the difference between their most notable innings. Tells you a lot about the difference between them as players. Misbah’s profile is significantly boosted by his relative success as a captain. As a batsman he was good, but Laxman was better.
 
Laxman was the slayer of the great Australian side. Only guy to score 2000 runs vs their ATG side. In his very first tour he made 167 in 195 balls at the SCG. A bowler friendly SCG. Remember Scoring like 52 runs in 5 overs of Brett Lee. He orchestrated several improbable wins. Even in his debut test on a seaming Ahmedabad track he made a 51 that eventually helped India set a target of 170. But for his contribution the target would have been under 100.
 
Laxman would have been no. 3 in other sides. Only because of Dravid and Ganguly he had to bat at 6 and hence missed out on big runs
 
Laxman always failed against Pakistan. Pakistan's was one of the best bowling attacks of his time with Wasim, Shoaib and Saqlain.
 
Tempted to say Laxman in Tests and Misbah in LOIs.
 
Laxman always failed against Pakistan. Pakistan's was one of the best bowling attacks of his time with Wasim, Shoaib and Saqlain.

India never needed Laxman against Pakistan. Sehwag was enough. Sure he missed out on some easy runs on patta wickets. He still ended up with average of 43 against Pakistan.
 
Laxman always failed against Pakistan. Pakistan's was one of the best bowling attacks of his time with Wasim, Shoaib and Saqlain.

Majority of Laxman's career was after these guys retired (except Akhtar).Averaged 43 which is not great but decent
 
Laxman was a better ODI player too.

Misbah’s average of 40+ means Jack! He destroyed our white ball cricket like no other!

Please lol, Laxman made me hate ODI cricket. It was frustrating to watch him hit every single ball straight to the fielder with pinpoint precision. I know he made a 100 at Lahore and won the man of the match. My only good memory about him is his 100 partnership with Tendulkar during his desert storm innings. He just gave company to Sachin.
 
Misbah deserves credit for drawing the 2016 series in England. He led that series by example and scored a brilliant match winning hundred in first test to set up for a thrilling series. Then the likes of Asad, Azhar and Younis stepped up too.
 
Both contributed to their team.

While Laxman was a supporting batsmen, Misbah was never a supporting batsmen for his team.

He was the main and the only batsmen Pakistan had. Rest were just who would perform once in a blue moon whether it was test or odi. Misbah had to dish in a performance in every other match. So you can never say Misbah was playing a supporting role. He was the captain of the team forgodsakes.

Both team contributed towards their team, doing such comparison means that you are insulting and taking the value out of one of them.
 
Misbah had to play catchup with his career given he was never given chances in his twentys, he was quite limited in his shot selection but his temperament is superior to Laxman's since he could play defensive shots all day. I felt Misbah could've performed better on most occasions, he was good enough to score a double century but he never did. Laxman on the other hand is the superior batsman as his batting is more pleasing on the eye and he managed to put in amazing performances against a legendary Australian side. His statistics are a lot better than Misbah's just by skimming over both their stats. No comparison.
 
If you want to do comparison, than rating points are enough.....

VVS Laxman attained 781 rating points in ICC test Ranking
Misbah Ul Haq attained 842 rating points in ICC test Ranking

Based on all the time ratings, Misbah is ranked 77 amongest the top 100 Test Batsmen. VVS Laxman is not even in the top 100

To be in the top 100 of the all time test batting rank, you need atleast 800 points which Laxman doesnt have.

Again, both players have contributed towards there team, but ratings are enough to judge who was better if you want to go into that argument
 
Laxman is better than Moyo, let alone Misbah.

He was in the league of KP as a test batsman. Statistics don't define him.

Yousuf is a record breaker. He attained rating points of 933. Amongest the top 15 cricketers in terms of rating points attained.

Laxman is no where near Yousuf.

Joe Root is batting out there and his name being compared to that one guy. If Root breaks the record in the next innings, he will move above Yousuf in rating points
 
Both contributed to their team.

While Laxman was a supporting batsmen, Misbah was never a supporting batsmen for his team.

He was the main and the only batsmen Pakistan had. Rest were just who would perform once in a blue moon whether it was test or odi.

Misbah the only batsman Pakistan had? I’ve heard this narrative many times before but I’m sure a certain Younis Khan will disagree
 
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Laxman was a better ODI player too.

Misbah’s average of 40+ means Jack! He destroyed our white ball cricket like no other!

Laxman and Misbah both were average ODI players. Laxman again was beast against Australia. Scored 4 out of 6 ODI hundreds against best team of his generation.
 
VVS had the luxury of playing with greatest Indian batting lineup ever.

Misbah and Younis, on the other hand, had likes of Shehzad, Hafeez and Akmals... LoL.

Anyways, VVS > Misbah in tests.
 
India never needed Laxman against Pakistan. Sehwag was enough. Sure he missed out on some easy runs on patta wickets. He still ended up with average of 43 against Pakistan.

Pakistan had a superior test record against India when Laxman played if you include the 99 series and the Asian test championship. Sehwag did well against Pakistan on easy wickets but Younis, Inzi and Yousuf were equally harmful to India.

here is a record of Laxmans troubles against Pakistan

https://youtu.be/CwaUuvxYOIY
 
VVS is one of the greatest batsman of all-time under pressure situations. He never scored any soft runs. When the chips was down, he would score runs 9 out of 10 times except the final two years when he was pretty much done and dusted. In terms of delivering under pressure, he was in league of Steve Waugh, Allan Border and Javed Miandad and he did stood up vs the great Australian attack of McGrath and Warne.

A truly magnificent test player and was able to make his presence felt even in a strong batting lineup by playing numerous clutch knocks.

Keep the stats aside while talking about VVS. He is better test batsman than Vishy, Amarnath, Azhruddin, Vengsarkar, Pujara, Rohit, Rahul etc all of them.

Only Tendulkar, Gavaskar, Dravid and Kohli are truly better test players than him. To be precise, even Sehwag is not a superior <B>Test player</B> than Laxman. He was just more prolific and Bradmanesque in certain conditions. But in terms of true test match player, he was below Laxman.
 
Misbah was playing all 3 formats while Laxman was more of a Test specialist.

When it comes to Test format, Laxman was better.

In LOI cricket, Misbah was better.
 
Misbah the only batsman Pakistan had? I’ve heard this narrative many times before but I’m sure a certain Younis Khan will disagree

Younis khan wad never consisstent. His mamoth performance wold only come after getting some low scores after the 2010 era
 
[MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] if highest ratings is the criteria of best batsman or bowler then philender, Stuart Clarke, broad, ryan harris are better than akram in test.

I have not seen akram bowled......

What i have heard about opinions on him here is that akram was known for odi heroics more.

Imran and waqar younis are known for their test greatness.

Imran is ranked no.3 in all time test bowler rating.

Ratings are the only criteriea, just because your favourite isnt that doesnt mean ratings are flawed.

Even in the test battting ratings, tendulkar is far away from top with lara and bradman taking positions in the top 5
 

Laxman, who took over as the head of NCA after Rahul Dravid left the role to become India’s head coach, emphasised that facility in Bengaluru is well suited to foster the skill of adaptability in Indian players


Former India cricketer VVS Laxman, now Head of Cricket at the National Cricket Academy (NCA), highlighted the need for diverse training conditions for players to develop the adaptability skills required to thrive in international cricket.

“Adaptability is nothing but creating situations a player gets to confront during the matches so that you can create by having a lot of match simulations or playing many matches. You create different scenarios where the player is put into that position or situation he will confront. As far as the pitches are concerned, sometimes you can give a green top,” said Laxman during an interaction held on the sidelines of the inauguration of the Board of Control for Cricket in India’s (BCCI) Centre of Excellence near Bengaluru.

Laxman, who took over as the head of NCA after Rahul Dravid left the role to become India’s head coach, emphasised that the facility in Bengaluru is well suited to foster the skill of adaptability in Indian players.

“Luckily, this (the facility) being in Bangalore, the weather is a big boon. We all know that in Bangalore, we can have a lot of cricket throughout the year and throughout the day. With three different soils, you can make different kind of pitches for them. Turning tracks, seam friendly based on what time of the day the wicket may behave differently. It‘s all about adapting to different pitch conditions. These are the two things which we require our players to work on so that when they are playing at the highest level, they are ready for different challenges,” said Laxman.

The 49-year-old former Indian batter also spoke about the India-A programme, which has played a vital role in in setting up India’s domination in Tests.

“Every year we make sure that we have at least two A series. Sometimes it can be challenging because we want to have an A series whereas the other boards will be busy with their own domestic cricket. Or they may not be ready to accommodate us. But at least we try to have two A series. We want all our players not to miss too much of domestic cricket, so I think the A programme allows us to go to different parts of the world and get experience,” said Laxman.

Laxman pointed out the variety of challenges the India-A side has encountered in recent times and the role the Bengaluru facility will play in the team’s progression.

“We are going to Australia in November. End of October and November we will be playing three matches in Australia. Twice we have been to South Africa. Hopefully we will go to New Zealand and next year there is a tour to England, which is already lined up. At home, we played against England at the start of this year. We played against New Zealand two years back. We went to Bangladesh – even though we wanted to play on rank turners, they gave us green top there unfortunately.”

“But it is just about getting exposure to different kinds of conditions so that when they graduate to the national team, they are ready. It is not a surprise to them. That is the whole objective of the A programme. The pitches here will allow them to improve their adaptability. And the three beautiful grounds will allow them to face any situation with a lot of confidence,” added Laxman.

 
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VVS along with Dhoni are too of the biggest scams in Indian cricket history. A bang average batsman who took advantage of superior batsmen around him and his fans created a “crisis man” narrative for him to cover his inconsistency. He has lived off 2-3 innings over his entire career.

As Test batsman, he was only marginally better than Ganguly but weaker than someone like Kohli who himself is massively overrated in Test cricket and nowhere near great.
 
VVS along with Dhoni are too of the biggest scams in Indian cricket history. A bang average batsman who took advantage of superior batsmen around him and his fans created a “crisis man” narrative for him to cover his inconsistency. He has lived off 2-3 innings over his entire career.

As Test batsman, he was only marginally better than Ganguly but weaker than someone like Kohli who himself is massively overrated in Test cricket and nowhere near great.
With the legendary innings against the invincible Aussies, His 7 generations can live off lavishly we dont mind :D
 
VVS along with Dhoni are too of the biggest scams in Indian cricket history. A bang average batsman who took advantage of superior batsmen around him and his fans created a “crisis man” narrative for him to cover his inconsistency. He has lived off 2-3 innings over his entire career.

As Test batsman, he was only marginally better than Ganguly but weaker than someone like Kohli who himself is massively overrated in Test cricket and nowhere near great.
In your view, all are bang average players, except for Babar and his heroics against Nepal, Zimbabwe, and Namibia.
 
''We all know that in Bangalore, we can have a lot of cricket throughout the year and throughout the day.''

Exactly. And yet, BCCI does not see what should be obvious. Indian test season is best served split between summer and winter tests.

Host 3/4 tests immediately after IPL concludes - Bangalore, Dharmshala and day-night test in Dehradun perhaps. Rain would be a possible threat in Bangalore post IPL as monsoon is well underway by then. But Bangalore is a peculiar place where it mostly rains in the evenings. It'd be possible to have a full test in Bangalore in the first week of June.

Or, alternatively hold the white ball portion of the domestic cricket during this time and reserve the winter months exclusively for red ball.

The point being that India's winter months are impossibly crowded and BCCI has more than enough venues to transfer some of that scheduling during June and July.
 
Laxman is superior to Misbah in every way, But I laugh at people who were telling me the laxman was superior to Travis, Warner and gilchrist.

I still remember that thread in memory, and the uproar it caused.

Laxman was inconsistent beyond belief and lived off a few match winning performances in odi but that's about it. In test he was clutch when need be so no arguments their.

However Misbah is one of the worst Batsmen of all time In odi, zero performances and a total fraud who would in typical fashion play every game qith a 20 to 30 sr, hit a few fancy shots bringing it up to 70 when the game was already lost and would them get out.

In test misbah was a good batsmen but Laxman is still better plain and simple.

But in typical fashion, Indian players who are obsessed with turning Laxman's into warner's, Dhoni's into gilchrist, Kohli’s into Pointing's, Bumrah's into Mcgrath's and Sachin into Bradman's will obviously whine.

To them unless it's a kohli comparison, Laxman is superior to every aussie player In history including Bradman.
 
Laxman is superior to Misbah in every way, But I laugh at people who were telling me the laxman was superior to Travis, Warner and gilchrist.

I still remember that thread in memory, and the uproar it caused.

Laxman was inconsistent beyond belief and lived off a few match winning performances in odi but that's about it. In test he was clutch when need be so no arguments their.

However Misbah is one of the worst Batsmen of all time In odi, zero performances and a total fraud who would in typical fashion play every game qith a 20 to 30 sr, hit a few fancy shots bringing it up to 70 when the game was already lost and would them get out.

In test misbah was a good batsmen but Laxman is still better plain and simple.

But in typical fashion, Indian players who are obsessed with turning Laxman's into warner's, Dhoni's into gilchrist, Kohli’s into Pointing's, Bumrah's into Mcgrath's and Sachin into Bradman's will obviously whine.

To them unless it's a kohli comparison, Laxman is superior to every aussie player In history including Bradman.
Tbh even Jonathan Trott was better than Laxman
 
VVS Laxman wipes the floor with Misbah as a batter.

Even in post career, VVS's excellent stint as NCA director where he has helped usher in new academy and dovetailed brilliantly with head coach Dravid to develop next generation of Indian talent puts to shame Misbah's forgettable run as chief selector + coach which is best illustrated by Musa Khan's face at Adelaide when Aus ran up 589/3 - clueless, incompetent and devoid of any cricketing logic.
 
Two very good players and should be respected as such. I rate Misbahs 161 v India quite highly and he played some good knocks for Pakistan.

VVS was elegant to watch, a stylish player and probably played one of the best knocks on Indian test history.

If I had the luxury of a good batting line up I'd slot in VVS and if it was a bit sketchy I'd slot in Misbah.
 
VVS Laxman wipes the floor with Misbah as a batter.

Even in post career, VVS's excellent stint as NCA director where he has helped usher in new academy and dovetailed brilliantly with head coach Dravid to develop next generation of Indian talent puts to shame Misbah's forgettable run as chief selector + coach which is best illustrated by Musa Khan's face at Adelaide when Aus ran up 589/3 - clueless, incompetent and devoid of any cricketing logic.
You can compare post cricketing careers separately but it doesn't have an impact on their career history as batsmen.

Ordinary players like Shastri, Mickey and Fletcher have all excelled as coaches while many good cricketers have failed as a coach.It's completely separate to cricketing intelligence as a player.
 
I haven't seen a better batsman under pressure than Laxman in Test cricket. Under a crisis, you could rely on him most of the time. Also, have a look at his record against the all conquering Australian team of his time.
 
just to remind u Misbah has better Test average compare to Laxman so how come laxman is better in Tests?
I think you did not get to watch VVS, but even with stats, context is important. You can just look at their record in SENA.

Misbah in SENA: 900 runs - avg 29 - 1 ton
VVS in SENA: 2700 runs - Avg 40 - 5 tons

Jayawardhane had a career avg near 50 but does not get rated that high due to averaging 31 in SENA. Jayawardhane high average was built on runs in SL, BD, Zim and Ind. Similarly , Misbah high average is built on runs in Zim, WI, UAE and Ind.

If it does not convince you, Misbah has aroud 5K test runs. VVS has around 2500 runs just against Aus and majority of times it was ATG Aus side.
 
just to remind u Misbah has better Test average compare to Laxman so how come laxman is better in Tests?
Misbah is more consistent in test, big difference from.being better.

Sadly people think test cricket is about averages and the mantra of quality over quantity like Jaysuria in odi etc only applies to whiteball

However, yes Misbah is better in Asian conditons while Laxman is better in SENA.
 
Two very good players and should be respected as such. I rate Misbahs 161 v India quite highly and he played some good knocks for Pakistan.

VVS was elegant to watch, a stylish player and probably played one of the best knocks on Indian test history.

If I had the luxury of a good batting line up I'd slot in VVS and if it was a bit sketchy I'd slot in Misbah.
Everyone on the planet was scoring runs in that game. Both teams were scoring 400 t0 500 in both innings.

His best performances are in uae later on in his career. India game isn't one to be highly rated, in the same way that England.bazzball game was a joke.
 
Laxman is medicore player but in typical Indian fashion, marketing and PR states that he's somehow clutch and the stats don't reflect the magic amd all that bullcrap.

He's a medciore player with a few blinder knocks and was good and has an excellent avg in some countries.

Basically the same as Ijaz Ahmed who avg 50 in the first half of his career in aus, Wi and eng and maintained the 40 something avg in the 2nd half, but besides these 3 he was useless in test against other oppositions and in odi he was useless against every opposition but on occasion he'd play match winning blinders like his 140 of 87.

But unlike ijaz who's considered an inconsistent cricketer, Laxman who is virtually the same is somehow Warner, Travis or gilchrist level

However with that being said Laxman wipes the floor with Misbah in virtually every facet of the game excluding test Asian conditons.

Never understood how Indian fans can turn a decent cricketer like Laxman into some all clutch hero and how pakistani fans can turn Misbah an atrocious cricketer into some sort of hero.

Laxman is average with a memorable surprise knocks and solid in certain conditions. Misbah is a fraud, end of story
 
TBH, I would pick Laxman over Misbah in red-ball cricket although there is not a big difference between their averages but Misbah was a better limited-over player than Laxman.
 
Laxman is medicore player but in typical Indian fashion, marketing and PR states that he's somehow clutch and the stats don't reflect the magic amd all that bullcrap.

He's a medciore player with a few blinder knocks and was good and has an excellent avg in some countries.

Basically the same as Ijaz Ahmed who avg 50 in the first half of his career in aus, Wi and eng and maintained the 40 something avg in the 2nd half, but besides these 3 he was useless in test against other oppositions and in odi he was useless against every opposition but on occasion he'd play match winning blinders like his 140 of 87.

But unlike ijaz who's considered an inconsistent cricketer, Laxman who is virtually the same is somehow Warner, Travis or gilchrist level

However with that being said Laxman wipes the floor with Misbah in virtually every facet of the game excluding test Asian conditons.

Never understood how Indian fans can turn a decent cricketer like Laxman into some all clutch hero and how pakistani fans can turn Misbah an atrocious cricketer into some sort of hero.

Laxman is average with a memorable surprise knocks and solid in certain conditions. Misbah is a fraud, end of story

Height of ignorance sorry dude lol He was one of our biggest back to wall match winner. India beat Australia from 135/8 with Laxman and Ishant chasing 208 or something in 4th innings. Then the chennai test, then that Mumbai minefield, THen that famous Eden Gardens Test. THen a srilankan test. And the adelaid eoval test where India beat AUstrlaia after they scored 556 runs in the first innings. He made 178. He scored over 2000 runs against Australia in 2000s. Nobody scored that many against Australia.
 
TBH, I would pick Laxman over Misbah in red-ball cricket although there is not a big difference between their averages but Misbah was a better limited-over player than Laxman.
Misbah Is one of the worst odi players ever? Laxman is bang average bit I always viewed laxman as the ijaz Ahmed of India?

How does misbah compare?

If you mean playing every innings with a 20 to 30 sr irrespective of thr situation and rr, collapsing the entire game and then hitting g a few fancy shots and getting out so it looks like you have a 50 with a 70 sr and doing it every single game results in a.better whiteball batter then be my guest
 
Height of ignorance sorry dude lol He was one of our biggest back to wall match winner. India beat Australia from 135/8 with Laxman and Ishant chasing 208 or something in 4th innings. Then the chennai test, then that Mumbai minefield, THen that famous Eden Gardens Test. THen a srilankan test. And the adelaid eoval test where India beat AUstrlaia after they scored 556 runs in the first innings. He made 178. He scored over 2000 runs against Australia in 2000s. Nobody scored that many against Australia.
He's the Ijaz Ahmed of India like I claimed. Difference is while Ijaz is seen as an underachiever given his impressive record againat aus and the ability to produce blinders like miandad in his prime from impossible situations people always felt he underachieved and shpuld have been more consistent.

But due to laxman being an Indian the narrative for him is that stats aren't reflective of his so called magic.

Indians are the biggest ovwrglorifiers of cricket and that's a fact. They'll turn good cricketers into atg, atg into folklore, avg cricketers into clutch and what not.

This is the same country, that had dozens upon dozens of production staff and bollywood actors spend millions of dollars on a Dhoni biopic with extremely inaccurate and made up details and portrayed Dhoni as some invincible gospel of God and then felt the need to market that movie internationally,

Completly ignoring the fact that Dhoni was an Asian beast and a gun captaim but avg batsmen outside Asia, the whole taking the world by storm, inventing the love of his life on a plane? Dominating every side around the world? And being marketed as the 2nd best player in the team after Sachin? Yeah that never happened irl but bollywood + marketing × pr and the billions of massises who actually belive that the story is true and it's a rags to riches film of an already born legend.

Theirs nothing wrong with admitting that laxman is a clutch player but underachieved however their many that feel the need to put him next to gilchirst, warner, Travis etc which is ludicrous for obvious reasons.
 
Height of ignorance sorry dude lol He was one of our biggest back to wall match winner. India beat Australia from 135/8 with Laxman and Ishant chasing 208 or something in 4th innings. Then the chennai test, then that Mumbai minefield, THen that famous Eden Gardens Test. THen a srilankan test. And the adelaid eoval test where India beat AUstrlaia after they scored 556 runs in the first innings. He made 178. He scored over 2000 runs against Australia in 2000s. Nobody scored that many against Australia.

I watched most of his career and guys score most clutch runs .

Another clutch innings he was played against South Africa in South Africa and India won tabt game easily.

He had so many clutch innings that misbah can Never played in his dreams .

The way he destroyed warne was treated to watched.
 
Misbah Is one of the worst odi players ever? Laxman is bang average bit I always viewed laxman as the ijaz Ahmed of India?

How does misbah compare?

If you mean playing every innings with a 20 to 30 sr irrespective of thr situation and rr, collapsing the entire game and then hitting g a few fancy shots and getting out so it looks like you have a 50 with a 70 sr and doing it every single game results in a.better whiteball batter then be my guest
Misbah is deiniftely a better shorter format player on paper.

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I watched most of his career and guys score most clutch runs .

Another clutch innings he was played against South Africa in South Africa and India won tabt game easily.

He had so many clutch innings that misbah can Never played in his dreams .

The way he destroyed warne was treated to watched.
I never said Misbah > Laxman.

Laxman >>>>>>>>>> Misbah from all angles.

I said Gilchrist, Warner, Travis >>>>>>>>> Laxman. Nothing wrong with admitting this fact and that these boys are his abus in clutch
 
Misbah is deiniftely a better shorter format player on paper.

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On paper Misbah is a better player then Miandad in terms of avg and statistics but it means nothing.

I've seen both bat. Laxman is avg, Misbah is atrocious on odi.

In test laxman is solid and misbah is solid but one is more clutch then the other. But misbah is superior in Asian conditons only but even their he's a softie
 
Misbah is deiniftely a better shorter format player on paper.

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Laxman was never a ODI players .

His 107 (104) against Pakistan in the fifth and the final ODI at Lahore, helped India win by 40 runs and clinch the historic series 3–2.

Only one memorable knock in ODI . that's it.
 
Laxman was never a ODI players .

His 107 (104) against Pakistan in the fifth and the final ODI at Lahore, helped India win by 40 runs and clinch the historic series 3–2.

Only one memorable knock in ODI . that's it.
This proves why Laxman was medicore to begin with. Just like Misbah both felt to need to invade a platform that they were unsuited for. And both should have played In test but ego and greed knows no bounds.

Both medicore players and what people see as clutch for Laxman, Someone like steve smith has played such knocks for breakfast.

But ofcourse Indians feel the need to talk about elementary magic that doesn't exist.

Misbah fans believe misbah Is god, Indian fans overglorify Laxman and invent some clutch magic that a normal test cricketer should maturally play.

For example Liton das's 3 centuries in test batting with the tail from the clutches of a collapse are already 3 Atg innings but you don't see Bangladeshi fans making Das their abu, but laxman somehow is.
 
VVS along with Dhoni are too of the biggest scams in Indian cricket history. A bang average batsman who took advantage of superior batsmen around him and his fans created a “crisis man” narrative for him to cover his inconsistency. He has lived off 2-3 innings over his entire career.

As Test batsman, he was only marginally better than Ganguly but weaker than someone like Kohli who himself is massively overrated in Test cricket and nowhere near great.
Lol says the man who rates Babar as a great batsman. Laxmans's fourth or fifth best innings was that one in Sydney. Babar would be lucky to play that level of cricket even once in his entire cricketing career.
 
On this day in 2010, the end of another memorable Test match between India and Australia involved VVS Laxman.

Chasing a target of 216, India were on 55/4 at the end of day 4, and they'd lost 8 wickets for 124 runs on the board before lunch on day 5. Australia was smelling a victory. Before diving into the thrilling last leg of the Test, let's have a brief look at what happened during the first three innings of the game.

Batting first, Australia made 428, with Shane Watson scoring the most with 126 runs while opening the inning. Tim Paine, too, played a brilliant knock of 92, while Ricky Ponting made 71. Zaheer Khan led the Indian bowling with a five-wicket haul.

In reply, despite no batsmen scoring a century, India made 405. Sachin Tendulkar unluckily missed out on another century, as he was dismissed for 98. Suresh Raina made 86, while Virender Sehwag and Rahul Dravid also scored half-centuries. Mitchell Johnson was the pick of the bowlers for Australia, with figures of 5 for 64.

With a lead of 23 runs, Australia were on 87 without a loss at one stage during their second inning. However, the Indian bowlers fought back into the game, dismissing all 10 wickets in a span of 105 runs. With that, the Australian second inning was restricted to just 192 runs, and India were left with a target of 216 to win. All four Indian bowlers were among the wickets during the second innings.

As mentioned earlier, India were in trouble during their second innings, still needing 92 runs to win with just 2 wickets left in the tank. Their only hope was VVS Laxman, and to make things even more difficult, he was suffering from back issues, which resulted in Suresh Raina aiding him as the runner. Laxman was joined by Ishant Sharma as the No. 10, and they've had a tough job to deal with. Yet the pair made it very clear that they were not going to go down without a fight.

As the senior batsman, Laxman took the charge, and unlike his usual modest manner, he shifted his mindset to a counterattacking approach, while Sharma did his part by surviving at the other end. But he wasn't just blocking, as he also hit the odd boundary when the opportunity was presented.

With this approach and the help of runner Suresh Raina, the pair took India past the 200 mark. Unfortunately, with just 11 runs needed for the victory, Ben Hilfenhaus trapped Ishant Sharma infont of the stumps and brought Australia back into the game. Sharma made an invaluable 31 off 92 deliveries. The last man, Pragyan Ojha, joined Laxman, and they needed 11 more runs to accomplish a victory that looked impossible a couple of hours ago.

As the senior player, Laxman led both Ojha and Raina in the middle, calling the singles. Little by little, India got close to the target, and in the 59th over of the innings, they've crossed the winning mark, with Laxman remaining unbeaten on 73 off 79 deliveries, completing another heroic deed. For his match figures of 8 for 137, Zaheer Khan was awarded as the man of the match, and few days later, India went on to win the next game to seal the series.

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He's the Ijaz Ahmed of India like I claimed. Difference is while Ijaz is seen as an underachiever given his impressive record againat aus and the ability to produce blinders like miandad in his prime from impossible situations people always felt he underachieved and shpuld have been more consistent.

But due to laxman being an Indian the narrative for him is that stats aren't reflective of his so called magic.

Indians are the biggest ovwrglorifiers of cricket and that's a fact. They'll turn good cricketers into atg, atg into folklore, avg cricketers into clutch and what not.

This is the same country, that had dozens upon dozens of production staff and bollywood actors spend millions of dollars on a Dhoni biopic with extremely inaccurate and made up details and portrayed Dhoni as some invincible gospel of God and then felt the need to market that movie internationally,

Completly ignoring the fact that Dhoni was an Asian beast and a gun captaim but avg batsmen outside Asia, the whole taking the world by storm, inventing the love of his life on a plane? Dominating every side around the world? And being marketed as the 2nd best player in the team after Sachin? Yeah that never happened irl but bollywood + marketing × pr and the billions of massises who actually belive that the story is true and it's a rags to riches film of an already born legend.

Theirs nothing wrong with admitting that laxman is a clutch player but underachieved however their many that feel the need to put him next to gilchirst, warner, Travis etc which is ludicrous for obvious reasons.

ONe of the reason Laxman underachieved because his batting position was not set until 2000. He was all over 1 to 6. They frequently shunted him since Ganguly/ Tendulkar/Dravid had a set position.After his position was set his average was 50.
 
Everyone on the planet was scoring runs in that game. Both teams were scoring 400 t0 500 in both innings.

His best performances are in uae later on in his career. India game isn't one to be highly rated, in the same way that England.bazzball game was a joke.

Pakistan were 150-5 in the first innings.

Similarly Pakistan were 74-4 in the second innings before Younis saved us.

It looks like everyone was scoring when you look at the scorecard retrospectively.
 
VVS could play genuine pace and bounce better than Misbah. However, I think Misbah played swing a bit better.

Both were tremendous players of spin
 
ONe of the reason Laxman underachieved because his batting position was not set until 2000. He was all over 1 to 6. They frequently shunted him since Ganguly/ Tendulkar/Dravid had a set position.After his position was set his average was 50.
That's just another excuse. He had set positions but he kept failing. However because he would occasionally produce blinders and clutch knocks, India knew they had to invest in him and just couldn't afford to drop him. Hence they did everything in his power to make him work until he actually did.

He'd be another Muhammad Rizwan in a sense. However the difference between those 2, is that while India did everything in their power to accommodate Laxman they had every right to.

Laxman while inconsistent was an X factor at the end of the day and hence couldn't be discarded and once India had succeeded in accommodating him, He gave clutch performances, While rizwan was accommodated simply because of Misbah nepotism in the same way Shan is accommodated and unlike Laxman, Rizzu even after being accommodated has been medicore while Laxman wasn't, He was a proper X factor.

Laxman is a good player, and I'm not denying he isn't. Infact this thread is a bloody joke since you're comparing a proper X factor to One of the worst(Misbah) odi batters of all time and the very definition of fraudulent batting in test(Misbah)

However none of this changes the fact that Indians always overglorify everyone on the planet.

I'm not saying Laxman = Ijaz Ahmed, that's a separate topic, But what I'm saying is both players have exactly the same career story and trajectory. However Ijaz Ahmed isn't born in India, if he was every Indian would be saying things like

You didn't see Axeman play, he's the one guy you can't showcase paper stats towards.

Laxman is a good player but Indians have overhyped him which is nothing new, they overhype all their players that one would think their a bit too obsessed with fantasy novels.

Steve smith is 1000x the test batter laxman is and has made such clutch impossible innings the norm in his prime, yet he won't ever get the same media attention simply because he isn't an Indian.
 
Pakistan were 150-5 in the first innings.

Similarly Pakistan were 74-4 in the second innings before Younis saved us.

It looks like everyone was scoring when you look at the scorecard retrospectively.
I agree with what you said. Good point.
 
Laxman is superior to Misbah in every way, But I laugh at people who were telling me the laxman was superior to Travis, Warner and gilchrist.

I still remember that thread in memory, and the uproar it caused.

Laxman was inconsistent beyond belief and lived off a few match winning performances in odi but that's about it. In test he was clutch when need be so no arguments their.

However Misbah is one of the worst Batsmen of all time In odi, zero performances and a total fraud who would in typical fashion play every game qith a 20 to 30 sr, hit a few fancy shots bringing it up to 70 when the game was already lost and would them get out.

In test misbah was a good batsmen but Laxman is still better plain and simple.

But in typical fashion, Indian players who are obsessed with turning Laxman's into warner's, Dhoni's into gilchrist, Kohli’s into Pointing's, Bumrah's into Mcgrath's and Sachin into Bradman's will obviously whine.

To them unless it's a kohli comparison, Laxman is superior to every aussie player In history including Bradman.
Travis Head is already ahead of Laxman ? :yk

Just because you worship him doesn’t mean the world does, as of now there is no comparison, Laxman is miles agead of Head, lol.

Warner vs Laxman again hoes to Laxman because Warner was a sitting duck in swing friendly conditions and has below average away performances.

Spouting out nonsense and calling it fact won’t help you here.
 
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