Waqar Younis applies for position of Bowling Coach, opts not to apply for Head Coach role [Post #84]

[Titan24]

All Mohsin did was sip tea in the pavilion and piggybacked on the hard work of Misbah, Younis, Ajmal and Rehman.

We all know Test team was Misbah's baby while coaches just came and went.

Yes Misbah was the key figure of the test team. However Mickey Arther completely failed in transforming the test team post Misbah and Younus. Irrespective of losses, there were some pretty basic mistakes which everyone agrees on and you don’t expect them from an international coach.

My only problem with Mickey was that as Pak was already not a world beater team but when you are making tactical and selection mistakes to top of that then its really unacceptable. I am not saying his replacement would be from out of this world but I am hopeful that atleast that person would be able to do the basics right.

 

[MMHS]

What a shambolic situation for PCB!!!!! If they extend the deadline by few more days, may be genuine “gadhe” (donkey) will come to apply

Instead of exposing their capability and reputation (as employers) like this, PCB should extend the application time and reach out individuals (of their choice) through head hunting firms with specific offer package - for the official purpose (to give the process a legitimacy so that it’s not challenged in future), they should call couple of Faisal Iqbal’s & Mohsin Khans for the interview as well.

 

[Abdullah719]

Misbah has a settled method in UAE which worked till he was there but somehow the following happened:

1. As soon as Waqar left in 2016, we barely won the next UAE series by the skin of our teeth. Heck we lost one and one of the matches we were under the cosh. This is when Misbah and Younis were still there and the only change was Mickey Arthur and his insanely stupid UAE tactics.

OK. Under Waqar, we suffered a 2-0 whitewash in SL. We drew a home Test series against NZ, who are a 'weak side' (your words in this thread).

Pakistan's 'fortress record' in UAE was always overstated. We rarely dominated series, with the exception of the 2012 England series and the 2014 Australia series. Besides that, we often drew/lost matches, even against SL. So I don't think the loss to WI was a massive anomaly. We lost a dead rubber, it was disappointing but not much besides that. It was due to a typical batting collapse; not sure how you can pin that on Arthur with a batting lineup consisting of Azhar, Asad, Younis, Misbah and Sarfaraz. We had similar batting meltdowns during previous coaches as well.

2. It’s very curious how people forget that in the intervening period we had Dav Whatmorw as coach as well. But we still had Misbah. Yet we did not win UAE series in that period and drew a series against Sri Lanka there. Heck even the test win in that series came courtesy of last day heroics so was not even a comfortable drawn series. Under Dav (with Misbah still being there) we also lost a test series to Zimbabwe btw.

We only played 2 series in UAE under Whatmore. One of them was against SA, the #1 ranked side. With Smith, Amla, Kallis, de Villiers, Steyn and Morkel etc., that side actually had pedigree of performing well in all conditions (drew in India) and we drew the series against them. Still, there was time for a batting collapse then as well (a recurring theme, happened under Waqar as well).

So please do not peddle this myth that coach had no impact and it was all Misbah. With the same players and captain Waqar inflicted defeats to England and Australia among others whereas Whatmore and Arthur struggled to beat weak Sri Lanka and West Indies.

England and Australia were rolling over in Asia anyway. Australia were battered 4-0 by India before we beat them, and were whitewashed in SL of all places after we beat them. They were hopeless in Asia. The England side we beat 2-0 in 3 Tests went on to DRAW a series in Bangladesh, and got smashed 4-0 in India. So beating those teams in UAE, while it was a good outcome, wasn't really a massive result. It was the expectation. Beating England 3-0 in 2012 was a much bigger deal; the same team went on to draw a series in SL and beat India in India.

 

[Abdullah719]

Waqar Younis leaves head coach role to apply for Pakistan bowling coach

Karachi: Former Pakistan captain Waqar Younis has applied for the bowling coach role with the national team as he was not mentally prepared to take charge as head coach for the third time.

Waqar, 47, who has twice worked as head coach of the Pakistan team in 2010 and in 2014-2016, applied for the bowling coach position with the PCB's application deadline ending on Sunday.

"I have applied for the position of bowling coach because I think I can contribute a lot in this area. Frankly speaking, I am not averse to being the head coach but this time, to be honest, I am not mentally prepared for it," Waqar said from Australia.

"Would prefer to work in the bowing department if the board shows faith in me,” he said.

Waqar didn't have an easy time as head coach in his last tenure when he was forced to leave after his hard-hitting report on the team was leaked out from the board hours after he had submitted it following the team's return from an unsuccessful 2016 World T20 campaign in India.

The feared fast bowler was accused by his critics of being arrogant and not player-friendly and unable to leave the glory of his playing days behind him as a coach.

But Waqar dismissed this impression and said he would be comfortable working under a head coach.

"I have been bowling coach with several outfits in the past and I have worked and learned a lot from other coaches. It is a wrong impression I can't work under any coach because of my stature as a player," he added.

He pointed out that times had changed and now even former greats were not averse to working with other coaches and he cited the example of Ricky Pointing working under Justin Langer in the Australian team.

“Whoever the board appoints I know my area of expertise and I will stick to it and in the end, the head coach and his support staff have one target to make Pakistan the number one team in the world."

Pakistan's first international assignment after the World Cup will be a limited over series at home against Sri Lanka from September 27 and the PCB is expected to announce the captain, head coach and support staff by early next month.

https://www.asianage.com/sports/cri...role-to-apply-for-pakistan-bowling-coach.html

 

[Boi]

Good decision by Waqar. PCB should appoint him bowling coach in a heartbeat.

 

[Babar_Azam_fan]

It should / would basically be an ISLU set-up

CS : MuH
HC : D Jones
Batting Coach : ?
Bowling Coach : W Younis

 

[shaz619]

Misbah has a settled method in UAE which worked till he was there but somehow the following happened:

1. As soon as Waqar left in 2016, we barely won the next UAE series by the skin of our teeth. Heck we lost one and one of the matches we were under the cosh. This is when Misbah and Younis were still there and the only change was Mickey Arthur and his insanely stupid UAE tactics.

2. It’s very curious how people forget that in the intervening period we had Dav Whatmorw as coach as well. But we still had Misbah. Yet we did not win UAE series in that period and drew a series against Sri Lanka there. Heck even the test win in that series came courtesy of last day heroics so was not even a comfortable drawn series. Under Dav (with Misbah still being there) we also lost a test series to Zimbabwe btw.

So please do not peddle this myth that coach had no impact and it was all Misbah. With the same players and captain Waqar inflicted defeats to England and Australia among others whereas Whatmore and Arthur struggled to beat weak Sri Lanka and West Indies.

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION]

Well said, people can have an opinion on him but these are facts which we can't deny. For some reason he is being down played and I have no idea why, it is probably to cover the cracks which Mickey created and try to make his run seem acceptable

 

[topspin]

So no coach in Pakistan can loose every single test series except 1 in last year or 2 including 2 home series losses in tests?

I dont remember vouching for Mohsin Khan as a head coach but will take him anyday over Mickey Arther as a Test match coach. He won more series in his few months in test cricket than Arther in 2 or more years. Yes team was different but than Super coach like mickey Arther should be doing better.

Not only did you vouch for him, your post (in relation to this) was addressed to me!

He was your number 1 choice and the fact you would prefer him over Mickey Arthur speaks for itself.

You're a good poster but I'm sorry to say on this occasion you have no credibility for backing a coach of MHK's calibre. Hence why on this topic I can't take your criticism of Arthur seriously.

 

[topspin]

How dare you ?! Don't you know Mickey not only singlehandedly masterminded the downfall of Pakistan cricket, but is also responsible for 9/11, climate and the Rwandan genocide.

But Waqar is the Pep Guardiola of cricket as per his fans.

My thoughts exactly...

How on Earth can someone vouch for an incompetent unqualified coach like Mohsin Khan over Mickey Arthur is simply beyond me.

 

[SensiblePakFan]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Waqar Younis "I have applied for the position of bowling coach because I think I can contribute a lot in this area. Frankly speaking, I am not averse to being the head coach but this time, to be honest, I am not mentally prepared for it" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/cricket?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#cricket</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1165956510108852224?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 26, 2019</a></blockquote>
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[Sir-fraz]

good decision by waqar. he just doesnt have the make-up of a head coach. he was also tried and tested.

i think he has always had something to offer as a bowling coach and is best utilized there.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Waqar is the best option for fast bowling coach. He worked well with Misbah in the past. Hopefully, this time there will be no conflicts.

 

[Abdullah719]

Pakistan’s former all-rounder Yasir Arafat has applied for the vacant position of Pakistan’s bowling coach, ARY News reported on Tuesday.

The position had become vacant after the board announced to end the contract of bowling coach Azhar Mehmood among head coach Mickey Arthur, batting coach Grant Flower, and trainer Grant Luden.

Arafat, had played three Tests, 11 one-day internationals and 13 T20 internationals, has appeared in the short format for club sides in Pakistan, New Zealand, South Africa and Bangladesh.

Earlier this month, Pakistan’s former cricketer and head coach Waqar Younis has also joined the race to become the bowling coach of the national team.

Younis, 47, is reportedly the most high profile contender for the job untill now.

https://arysports.tv/yasir-arafat-applies-bowling-coach-job/

 

[Halaribo]

Pakistan’s former all-rounder Yasir Arafat has applied for the vacant position of Pakistan’s bowling coach, ARY News reported on Tuesday.

The position had become vacant after the board announced to end the contract of bowling coach Azhar Mehmood among head coach Mickey Arthur, batting coach Grant Flower, and trainer Grant Luden.

Arafat, had played three Tests, 11 one-day internationals and 13 T20 internationals, has appeared in the short format for club sides in Pakistan, New Zealand, South Africa and Bangladesh.

Earlier this month, Pakistan’s former cricketer and head coach Waqar Younis has also joined the race to become the bowling coach of the national team.

Younis, 47, is reportedly the most high profile contender for the job untill now.

https://arysports.tv/yasir-arafat-applies-bowling-coach-job/

In what world is Yasir Arafat of comparable profile to Waqar Younis?

He's still the only high profile candidate.

 

[MenInG]

Pakistan’s former captain and fast bowler, Waqar Younis has emerged as the strongest candidate to hold the post of national team’s bowling coach replacing Azhar Mehmood.

The one half of the feared bowling duo of Two W’s, Waqar, had a prolific playing career and has served Pakistan as the head coach and bowling coach previously.

Apart from the Bhurewala Express, Mohammad Akram and Jalaluddin also applied for the post, however, Akram withdrew his application, while Jalaluddin did not appear for the interview.

The five-member panel, which includes Waseem Khan, Intikhab Alam, Bazid Khan, Zakir Khan and Asad Ali Khan, will short-list the candidates for the coaching roles after interviewing them and will advise the PCB chairman, Ehsan Mani.

The panel has also interviewed the former Australian batsman, Dean Jones on a video link for the post of head coach, who also shared his plan during the interview.

https://arysports.tv/waqar-younis-emerges-front-runner-bowling-coach/

 

[Abdullah719]

Waqar likely to be appointed as Pakistan bowling coach

Former captain and fast bowler Waqar Younis appears set to be appointed as the new bowling coach of the national team after the five-member panel of the Pakistan Cricket Board began interviews of the candidates on Thursday.

Waqar's chances of being named bowling coach appeared strong after another former Test bowler Muhammad Akram withdrew his application while the PCB panel, headed by Intikhab Alam, did not invite another former Test pacer Jalaluddin for the interview process.

Jalaluddin, who is a qualified level four coach, was obviously not happy with the treatment meted out to him and said while it was PCB's prerogative to appoint anyone they wanted but he met all the qualifications asked for by the Board for the bowling coach's position.

"If they treat their master coaches like this and ignore and disgrace them, then Pakistan cricket will not move ahead," Jalaluddin told reporters in Karachi.

The PCB's panel also began interviewing of candidates for the position of head coach.

A reliable source said that former captain Misbah-ul-Haq and former Test opener Mohsin Khan appeared in person for the head coach's position while Australian batsman Dean Jones was interviewed on Skype.

The interviews for batting coach, fielding coach, fitness and conditioning trainer would be held later and appointments will be made with the consent of the new head coach of the national team.

Mohsin, who has also remained chief selector in the past, was Pakistan's interim head coach in 2011 and 2012 and the team won three straight Test series under him, including a 3-0 whitewash of England in the UAE.

The PCB later unceremoniously removed him as head coach to bring in Australian coach Dav Whatmore in 2012.

Mohsin has also coached the Pakistan junior and 'A' teams in the past.

Surprisingly, neither Misbah nor Dean Jones has any prior coaching experience although the PCB has asked for three years experience in the conditions set out for interested candidates.

Misbah and Waqar are seen as the front runners to be appointed head coach and bowling coach after the PCB did not renew contracts of Mickey Arthur and his support staff after Pakistan failed to reach the semi-finals the World Cup in the UK.

Waqar was ironically replaced as head coach of the national team in 2016 by Mickey Arthur.

Former West Indian fast bowler Courtney Walsh is also said to have applied for the position of head coach.

https://www.business-standard.com/a...as-pakistan-bowling-coach-119082901351_1.html

 

[topspin]

I would have preferred Muhammad Akram as the bowling coach.

Waqar Younis is an upgrade from Azhar Mahmood but he’s also a toxic individual. Having failed in two of his stints as Head Coach, we should have given someone else a chance.

I rate Muhammad Akram very highly as a bowling coach and he’s far more pleasant to work with.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

I would have preferred Muhammad Akram as the bowling coach.

Waqar Younis is an upgrade from Azhar Mahmood but he’s also a toxic individual. Having failed in two of his stints as Head Coach, we should have given someone else a chance.

I rate Muhammad Akram very highly as a bowling coach and he’s far more pleasant to work with.

Really? I remember back in 2014 when everyone really wanted M akram gone.

 

[topspin]

Really? I remember back in 2014 when everyone really wanted M akram gone.

Waqar Younis is what worries me more because he doesn’t know how to manage players. He will get into beef with someone in the team because he’s a controlling type of individual.

Not to forget he was left humiliated when he applied for the Australian bowling coach role, some years ago.

Muhammad Akram will get the better of these players because he’s good at what he does and knows how to manage relationships with players. He’s done a good job coaching Peshawar Zalmi especially with the bowlers.

 

[saeed5646]

Really? I remember back in 2014 when everyone really wanted M akram gone.

Agree
Akram was pathetic during that stint .

 

[saeed5646]

Excellent news .Eagerly waiting for our young guns like shaheen ,husnain .Hopefully he help hasan ali to find his lost form .

 

[Boi]

Waqar Younis is what worries me more because he doesn’t know how to manage players. He will get into beef with someone in the team because he’s a controlling type of individual.

Not to forget he was left humiliated when he applied for the Australian bowling coach role, some years ago.

Muhammad Akram will get the better of these players because he’s good at what he does and knows how to manage relationships with players. He’s done a good job coaching Peshawar Zalmi especially with the bowlers.

Yes the same Mohammad Akram who fell out with Junaid because he spoke to Alan Donald for advice.

 

[The Viper]

Waqar can do a good job in this role, aslong as he stays away and just does his job.

 

[Rifaqat]

Waqar is fine and all that but PCB needs to break the bankto sign Moeen Ali as a player

 

[Sir-fraz]

still no news

 

[BalluBalleBaaz]

You would think Waqar as bowling coach might spoil the broth

 

[Markhor]

Aug 2019:

God forbid.

Under Waqar's second tenure as coach, our ODI bowling average was 40 which was amongst the worst in the world.

Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

 

[choudhary6964]

Oh Yaar kick this man out.He has always been rubbish.I don't understand how he comes back again and again.
Shoaib akhtar can be an amazing bowling coach he knows inside out of fast bowling.Fast bowling will improve under him.

 

[Mueez]

Oh Yaar kick this man out.He has always been rubbish.I don't understand how he comes back again and again.
Shoaib akhtar can be an amazing bowling coach he knows inside out of fast bowling.Fast bowling will improve under him.

I agree. Think we should try something different next time.

 

[Rana]

Is the vacancy open? Can we send applications in?

 

[Slim]

Waqar definitely has something on the PCB - one wonders how he keeps on coming back.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

How many times do I have to say this, our ex players do not make good coaches. Its one thing helping to train the youngsters as a player and totally another charting the development of a squad. Not capable and we are heading into a car crash ICC T20 WC and ODI WC looking ahead if we don't get in foreign coaches again asap.

 

[Mirpur express]

Sack him , no balls are UNACCEPTABLE in TEST cricket.

 

[Kroll]

Is the vacancy open? Can we send applications in?

Doesn't need to be, you know if you've got the right connections, you can get in.

 

[Rana]

People here will tell you it’s not Waqar at fault...yeah right!

 

[PerfectionPersonified]

waqar couldnt get a coach job in a state team for australia and Pakistan has hired him as a head coach previously and bowling coach now. He was legend in what he did but unfortunately a terriable coach. Should be sacked right now

 

[Rajdeep]

People here will tell you it’s not Waqar at fault...yeah right!

Are you telling that Waqar intentionally asked Naseem to bowl slower? It would be very surprising for any coach to ask a young bowler to give away his USP (i.e pace). And when the coach is an ATG like Waqar Younis, the allegations sounds more surprising.

Maybe Naseem Shah is not good enough? Have you ever thought along those terms?

 

[JibranAnsari]

Someone needs to ask waqar of Naseem Shahs shorter run up , is that why he is bowling too many no balls in search of speed?

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Waqar is the modern day Intikhab Alam, he will come and go from such roles for decades to come.

 

[MMHS]

WY probably has given up - he knows this is his last big job with PCB for a long time, therefore just counting days and stay safe as long as possible.

Leaving everything aside, how can a bowling coach can leave team midway through a series of two Tests with team trailing 0-1? It’s not that X-mas has any religious affiliation with him. He just doesn’t care any more. Yesterday, Naseem bowled like 8 no balls in 15 or so overs and he is just about 5’8”-9” may be... it’s a technical issue which should be sorted out with coach!!!!!

He has earned enough from PCB, should leave the job voluntarily now - I’m sure he is not enjoying it anymore.

 

[Savak]

On the 2006 tour to England when Waqar was the bowling coach, the selectors had picked a bowler by the name of Samiullah Khan Niazi, apparently Waqar made modifications of his bowling action and a couple of months later he had severe back pain, discomfort and x rays showed a stress fracture in the back, in a tv interview on Geo Super, Samiullah Niazi blamed Waqar Younis for his stress facture and revealed that he had reverted back to his old action.

Now he are seeing that Naseem Shah has reduced his run up and is totally ineffective. Players definitely feel intimidated when a fast bowling legend is ordering them to do stuff even if he doesn't carry coaching certificates

 

[Slog]

Sack Waqar.

But Naseem Shah was always going to be mediocre. I along with many others including Ricky Ponting had called it after his first series. Don’t blame Naseem’s lack of talent and skill set on Waqar. The only mistake was selecting this charlatan.

 

[Slog]

Waqar wasn’t a great head coach but Mickey Arthur was also an equally terrible coach at Test level. The problem with [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] is that they cannot call it as it is and have an agenda behind the criticism of Waqar while giving Mickey a free pass. Atleast pre Mickey we were good in UAE.

 

[Savak]

WY probably has given up - he knows this is his last big job with PCB for a long time, therefore just counting days and stay safe as long as possible.

Leaving everything aside, how can a bowling coach can leave team midway through a series of two Tests with team trailing 0-1? It’s not that X-mas has any religious affiliation with him. He just doesn’t care any more. Yesterday, Naseem bowled like 8 no balls in 15 or so overs and he is just about 5’8”-9” may be... it’s a technical issue which should be sorted out with coach!!!!!

He has earned enough from PCB, should leave the job voluntarily now - I’m sure he is not enjoying it anymore.

I am no WY fan but apparently he hasn't been able to see his family for the past 8-10 months because of some personal circumstances, the quarantine rules in Australia. Leaving the team now to travel to Pakistan would have given him the perfect time to meet his family for a good 2 plus weeks, i support that on a human level.

However as a bowling coach, he has clearly failed, 1.5 years on the job is enough time to show some tangible results i.e. good new ball bowling skills, bowlers learning the art of setting up the batsmen, knowing the right lines, lengths to bowl on the pitch, learning reverse swing. None of this is on display from any of the bowlers

Abbas has regressed. Naseem Shah with his reduced run up is totally ineffective and i doubt Naseem Shah decided to reduce his run up on his own. Shaheen hasn't really improved tremendously. Pakistan should look at other options in the fast bowling coaching department

 

[Savak]

Sack Waqar.

But Naseem Shah was always going to be mediocre. I along with many others including Ricky Ponting had called it after his first series. Don’t blame Naseem’s lack of talent and skill set on Waqar. The only mistake was selecting this charlatan.

Lol Waqar was the one who promoted Naseem Shah on his own twitter account even before the selectors picked him. He has to be blamed. It is the bowling coaches job to work on improving the bowlers, that is his job description, if he can't do that then its a waste of an appointment

 

[Rana]

On the 2006 tour to England when Waqar was the bowling coach, the selectors had picked a bowler by the name of Samiullah Khan Niazi, apparently Waqar made modifications of his bowling action and a couple of months later he had severe back pain, discomfort and x rays showed a stress fracture in the back, in a tv interview on Geo Super, Samiullah Niazi blamed Waqar Younis for his stress facture and revealed that he had reverted back to his old action.

Now he are seeing that Naseem Shah has reduced his run up and is totally ineffective. Players definitely feel intimidated when a fast bowling legend is ordering them to do stuff even if he doesn't carry coaching certificates

someone wrote here that Younis Khan is an ECB level 2 coach equivalent. You dont need to know how to play cricket to get this qualification in the ECB coaching programme. There are people working full time as Taxi drivers who have an ECB level 2 and use it for small coaching sessions with Kids.

I wonder if Waqar also has a level 2 or the certificate is basically his cricinfo profile?

 

[Slog]

Lol Waqar was the one who promoted Naseem Shah on his own twitter account even before the selectors picked him. He has to be blamed. It is the bowling coaches job to work on improving the bowlers, that is his job description, if he can't do that then its a waste of an appointment

He got it wrong in that case.

However what I’m saying is that we should forget the myth that Waqar ruined Naseem. Naseem was always mediocre and had shown no skill set. Picking someone on 4 FC matches was foolhardy

 

[TheSultan]

This series is poor but what is unforgivable is how we threw away the first test Vs England last summer. He can't bowl for the bowlers or captain for the skipper, but there were enough breaks in play to reset the defensive tactics of the bowling and fielding. That is all on Waqar's head and he's got to make way now

 

[Savak]

someone wrote here that Younis Khan is an ECB level 2 coach equivalent. You dont need to know how to play cricket to get this qualification in the ECB coaching programme. There are people working full time as Taxi drivers who have an ECB level 2 and use it for small coaching sessions with Kids.

I wonder if Waqar also has a level 2 or the certificate is basically his cricinfo profile?

WY has served as bowling coach for Pakistan 2 times, as head coach 2 times, as a PSL head coach twice and an IPL bowling coach once. If his desire is so strong to give back to Cricket especially Pakistan Cricket, why has he not bothered to invest the time, energy in acquiring prestigious coaching certificates especially from Australia given that he lives there in the last 15-16 years?

Is it below his Anna, reputation, ego? Being a world class fast bowler and getting the top most coaching certificates out there would have only enhanced his profile and perhaps maybe given him an opportunity to work with Cricket Australia?

 

[Bullet Drive]

WY has served as bowling coach for Pakistan 2 times, as head coach 2 times, as a PSL head coach twice and an IPL bowling coach once. If his desire is so strong to give back to Cricket especially Pakistan Cricket, why has he not bothered to invest the time, energy in acquiring prestigious coaching certificates especially from Australia given that he lives there in the last 15-16 years?

Is it below his Anna, reputation, ego? Being a world class fast bowler and getting the top most coaching certificates out there would have only enhanced his profile and perhaps maybe given him an opportunity to work with Cricket Australia?

When did he work in the IPL?

 

[Rana]

WY has served as bowling coach for Pakistan 2 times, as head coach 2 times, as a PSL head coach twice and an IPL bowling coach once. If his desire is so strong to give back to Cricket especially Pakistan Cricket, why has he not bothered to invest the time, energy in acquiring prestigious coaching certificates especially from Australia given that he lives there in the last 15-16 years?

Is it below his Anna, reputation, ego? Being a world class fast bowler and getting the top most coaching certificates out there would have only enhanced his profile and perhaps maybe given him an opportunity to work with Cricket Australia?

You do realise Ahmad Shahzad is probably more qualified as a coach than Waqar Younis is, if WY has not done any coaching badges that is. I remember seeing Shahzad's face in some pictures at some PCB coaching program. I guess Saj will be able to confirm if this is true.

Look at how an ECB level 3 county coach will work with bowlers and then compare it to PCB videos of Waqar Younis giving his tips.

 

[Savak]

He got it wrong in that case.

However what I’m saying is that we should forget the myth that Waqar ruined Naseem. Naseem was always mediocre and had shown no skill set. Picking someone on 4 FC matches was foolhardy

Thats what i am saying. It was Waqar who promoted the selection of Naseem on his personal twitter account, he knew the facts i.e. the kid had played very little first class cricket. Also when Nasim played in Australia in 2019, he had a much longer run up, he was bowling in the high 140's and had plenty of nip, bounce in his bowling.

Some genius has made him reduce his run up which has badly hurt his pace, rhythm and nip and realistically only Waqar could have influenced that decision being the team's bowling coach therefore blaming him is justified in this case.

Waqar has a pretty rich history of mismanaging bowlers and players under his watch which leads to the question, is he competent enough to be the team's bowling coach to begin with?

 

[Savak]

You do realise Ahmad Shahzad is probably more qualified as a coach than Waqar Younis is, if WY has not done any coaching badges that is. I remember seeing Shahzad's face in some pictures at some PCB coaching program. I guess Saj will be able to confirm if this is true.

Look at how an ECB level 3 county coach will work with bowlers and then compare it to PCB videos of Waqar Younis giving his tips.

Wasim Khan is looking to change this. He felt so many present and ex players were just buying these coaching certificates which they could acquire easily from the PCB in one month and had the mindset that acquiring these PCB Coaching certifications was a formality just needed to become eligible for coaching positions with a 9-5 mindset. In England it is very tough and challenging to acquiring the higher level coaching certificates for e.g. in order to get level 3, you have to have a certain number of coaching years of experience at the domestic level and it doesn't just take you a month to get the Level 3 coaching certificate, there is a lot more hard work involved. WK now wants to make the PCB Coaching certificates more prestigious, difficult to acquire so that it actually has some real value in the long run

 

[Shafi]

On the 2006 tour to England when Waqar was the bowling coach, the selectors had picked a bowler by the name of Samiullah Khan Niazi, apparently Waqar made modifications of his bowling action and a couple of months later he had severe back pain, discomfort and x rays showed a stress fracture in the back, in a tv interview on Geo Super, Samiullah Niazi blamed Waqar Younis for his stress facture and revealed that he had reverted back to his old action.

Now he are seeing that Naseem Shah has reduced his run up and is totally ineffective. Players definitely feel intimidated when a fast bowling legend is ordering them to do stuff even if he doesn't carry coaching certificates

Waqar probably ended Naseem’s career. Naseem can ever blame Waqar for shorten his run up because of his age and senior culture.

 

[Slog]

Waqar probably ended Naseem’s career. Naseem can ever blame Waqar for shorten his run up because of his age and senior culture.

Naseem had no career to be ended. He was always mediocre from day 1

 

[Energy]

Naseem didn't pick himself. Misbah did most likely in agreement with Waqar. They handpicked Naseem, Musa for tests while Hasnain for shorter formats. Don't think any rationale has been provided at all.

 

[Savak]

Naseem had no career to be ended. He was always mediocre from day 1

Thats not true, he had impressed in domestic cricket, passed the eye test and had the entire media behind him. You don't get this much hype without having something.

 

[Rajdeep]

When did he work in the IPL?

He was bowling coach of Sunrisers Hyderabad in IPL 2013.

 

[Slog]

Thats not true, he had impressed in domestic cricket, passed the eye test and had the entire media behind him. You don't get this much hype without having something.

Yes but his stats were entirely based on a performance in one game. He was given as a ‘toffee’ by Misbah and Waqar so that they could use his age to shield criticism from the performances

 

[Savak]

Yes but his stats were entirely based on a performance in one game. He was given as a ‘toffee’ by Misbah and Waqar so that they could use his age to shield criticism from the performances

This is what Waqar does, in his previous tenures he was desperate to get rid of the senior players so that he could hide behind youngsters, junior players as an excuse to justify his failures. Finally for the first time he has a fully young inexperienced squad and there are no real senior players for him to blame except for Amir, Wahab

 

[Slog]

This is what Waqar does, in his previous tenures he was desperate to get rid of the senior players so that he could hide behind youngsters, junior players as an excuse to justify his failures. Finally for the first time he has a fully young inexperienced squad and there are no real senior players for him to blame except for Amir, Wahab

Lol 8 of the 11 playing element are 30+

 

[ahmedzee]

When Waqar was coaching before, there was altercation between him and Shoaib Akhtar, Shahid Afridi, Yousuf. Now he is coaching again, we are seeing a major altercation between him and Aamir. I know people will call Aamir names and all, but he was your best bowler in ODI WC 2019. You can't just give him 1 or 2 games and expect him to say "yes sir".

Waqar needs to be kicked out asap, and we should never see him in PCB ever again. His last tenure (2014-15) as coach leading to 2015 WC was by far the worst period in Pakistan cricket history.

 

[aloo paratha]

I must say, I was wrong about Waqar as bowling coach.

 

[Slog]

I must say, I was wrong about Waqar as bowling coach.

Waqar May be a bad coach. But Naseem isn’t his problem. Naseem is an entirely mediocre bowler with no real solid skills to work on and I said that the first time I saw him.

 

[Savak]

Waqar May be a bad coach. But Naseem isn’t his problem. Naseem is an entirely mediocre bowler with no real solid skills to work on and I said that the first time I saw him.

Naseem is his problem, he changed his run up and made him 7-10 km/hr slower and totally nullified the zip in his bowling. As Bowling coach he has to be held accountable for this. It was his responsibility to add value to the bowlers which he has failed to do

 

[Slog]

Naseem is his problem, he changed his run up and made him 7-10 km/hr slower and totally nullified the zip in his bowling. As Bowling coach he has to be held accountable for this. It was his responsibility to add value to the bowlers which he has failed to do

These are wishful excuses to take attention away from the fact that Naseem was a mediocre talent to begin with

 

[Savak]

These are wishful excuses to take attention away from the fact that Naseem was a mediocre talent to begin with

I guess the likes of Abbas were rubbish too right? Abbas was actually doing much better before Waqar took over and Waqar hasn't really added much to Shaheen's bowling, Shaheen had already picked up 5 wicket hauls in ODI's under Azhar Mahmood's coaching. In Fact Azhar Mahmood did more for Pakistani bowling than Waqar has during his tenure. I am pretty certain Azhar Mahmood would not have cut down Naseem's run up.

 

[Pacy with wisdom]

These are wishful excuses to take attention away from the fact that Naseem was a mediocre talent to begin with

Your love affair with Waqar knows no bounds.

First, it was Mickey who you went after with an agenda, now it is Naseem 's turn; on both occasions, to make sure that your hero's reputation is salvaged.
Naseem was anything but mediocre a year ago. He had everything that one needs to be successful as a fast bowler.
All he needed was a little tweaking of the run up and a straighter arm pull.
Instead, he has regressed quite visibly.

Even if he was mediocre to start with, the fact that a young kid in his first year regresses that much is totally on the bowling coach and the support staff guiding him.

 

[Slog]

I guess the likes of Abbas were rubbish too right? Abbas was actually doing much better before Waqar took over and Waqar hasn't really added much to Shaheen's bowling, Shaheen had already picked up 5 wicket hauls in ODI's under Azhar Mahmood's coaching. In Fact Azhar Mahmood did more for Pakistani bowling than Waqar has during his tenure. I am pretty certain Azhar Mahmood would not have cut down Naseem's run up.

lol Abbas’ numbers went down after his shoulder injury. Doesn’t take Einstein to figure that one out.

 

[Slog]

Your love affair with Waqar knows no bounds.

First, it was Mickey who you went after with an agenda, now it is Naseem 's turn; on both occasions, to make sure that your hero's reputation is salvaged.
Naseem was anything but mediocre a year ago. He had everything that one needs to be successful as a fast bowler.
All he needed was a little tweaking of the run up and a straighter arm pull.
Instead, he has regressed quite visibly.

Even if he was mediocre to start with, the fact that a young kid in his first year regresses that much is totally on the bowling coach and the support staff guiding him.

There’s no love affair with Waqar. He’s a poor coach. Him being a poor coach doesn’t excuse that Naseem is a terrible, pathetic bowler who should never have been picked. There was nothing in his bowling even in Australia tour to suggest he would be a great bowler. Just hitting 145 kph does nothing especially when you can’t maintain that for long spells and have no other skill set to go along with that. Ricky Ponting called him to be part of the worst attack he’s seen in Australia for a reason.

In fact I’m putting 100% blame on Waqar-Misbah duo for picking an unproven teenager in order to shield themselves from criticism

 

[aloo paratha]

Waqar May be a bad coach. But Naseem isn’t his problem. Naseem is an entirely mediocre bowler with no real solid skills to work on and I said that the first time I saw him.

I agree. But where is the improvement? They should at least be getting better.

 

[mannimans]

I agree. But where is the improvement? They should at least be getting better.

Well, its interesting that Waqar isn't there and suddenly the bowlers have absolutely no idea. In the last match Naseem bowled 9 no balls across 37 overs, in this game he has bowled 9 in 25 overs.

Every bowlers economy rate has gone up by at least a run compared to the first innings in the first test. Should we not be measuring Waqar's impact on the bowlers when he is absent?

Someone earlier on mentioned why he preferred younger players.... the reason is because these senior players are lazy AF! They refuse to put in hard work, and their work ethics then rub off on the younger players.

I have witnessed first hand a senior Pakistani bowler before the Sydney test last tour, saying that he prays the test match is washed out so that they don't have to play - this is the work ethic of our seniors, how do you think junior players react when they hear their seniors players saying stuff like this?

Our players in today's day and age want fame and money without having to put in the hard yards.... simple as that.

 

[Ellipsism]

WY has served as bowling coach for Pakistan 2 times, as head coach 2 times, as a PSL head coach twice and an IPL bowling coach once. If his desire is so strong to give back to Cricket especially Pakistan Cricket, why has he not bothered to invest the time, energy in acquiring prestigious coaching certificates especially from Australia given that he lives there in the last 15-16 years?

Is it below his Anna, reputation, ego? Being a world class fast bowler and getting the top most coaching certificates out there would have only enhanced his profile and perhaps maybe given him an opportunity to work with Cricket Australia?

I don't think the guy was even offered to coach the school team his son went to (The Kings School) which as an independent, wealthy school had a fairly solid cricket side and excellent facilities, let alone land a coaching gig with CA.

 

[Azrim_91]

I’ve said this numerous times... some people are born leaders/teachers and some aren’t. Waqar and Wasim were fanstastic players but awful captains in their time. I would never have even picked them for any coaching role based just on that. Waqar has had numerous coaching roles and failed every single time. Wasim also has been quite poor at KKR. I’d arguably say Misbah was also a poor leader even if stats say otherwise - as a unit we regressed under Misbah.

Don’t hire coaches based on their previous roles as great players. Our whole coaching staff is shocking and as much as Naseem and co are getting stick, I fully blame our coaching staff.

 

[mannimans]

I don't think the guy was even offered to coach the school team his son went to (The Kings School) which as an independent, wealthy school had a fairly solid cricket side and excellent facilities, let alone land a coaching gig with CA.

That's funny... I went to kings as well... do you have evidence of them not offering him a gig? Or is this just here say?

As far as CA go, he was invited to apply by a CA official and was told it was essentially in the bag.... set up for a media circus instead...