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Waqar Younis Coaching Performance Thread

Jabo said:
Awful

hack of a coach

said from day 1 if he comes back, pak cricket will be done and dusted after the WC, the popularity will be at a all time low and pak will be the equivalent of zimbabwe

he's getting $ and that is the only thing he cares about
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Looks like I'm right
 
One of the worst coaches ever. The guy had zero brains when he was captain and history repeating itself
 
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He's a cancer to Pakistan cricket - every time he's in a leadership role either as a captain or coach the team turns into a disaster.
 
saadsahabjee said:
R u Drunk bro? our bowling has become sh*t

look at the performance today , a coach jobis to polish the skills but seems like sir waqar has some other motives. MHK was 100 times better than him.
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our bowling has not become **** actually shi*** bowlers are being picked so they ****
 
He has been even worse than whatmore and that's saying a lot. The bowling has deteriorated drastically, almost indian-esque. What's the obsession with short bowling? Which idiot is the one telling them to consistently bowl short?

He needs to be sacked ASAP because he just wants to be the chacha that tells everyone what to do. Great player but a pathetic coach.
 
he does not have any brains. Yes he cant play for the guys out there but atleast lets get our thinking righth
 
I'm starting to understand why Mohsin Khan was successful as coach and why I would like him back if Waqar fails.
1)He was good at managing personalities and pushing players to there potential. Ex. He removed Umar Akmal from the test side but would have helped him eventually achieve the potential he was always capable of.

“We’ve given him a clear message to go and play domestic cricket and learn to play big innings. Learn to turn your thirties and forties into hundreds for the team. Stop being selfish,” said Mohsin.
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2)Its EXTREMELY difficult to coach players on the national stage. Again, its more about managing them to maximize their potentials.
3)He would never let the team lose the match in the locker room. He was all about going out there and giving it your best.
 
ahaha Waqar and Misbah will take Pakistan cricket to their newest lows.
 
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To be honest it's not fair to judge him by results alone - the coach of the uae is not going to make them world beaters over night - he ought to be judged on maximising and optimising the tools he's been given with mananagement, technique tweaking, confidence and strategy - but he seems to be an unmitigated abject disaster on all those measures.
 
We are now No.8 in One-day rankings and this our 5th series defeat and 3rd white wash under his great coaching.

What's left now? :facepalm:
 
Another ODI series, another dreadful defeat. We have lost every single ODI series under Waqar.

He was poor the first time round as head coach, and has somehow managed to get worse this time. Only Pakistan would hire Australia's bowling coach reject as head coach. Whatmore era looks like golden age compared to the current dross we are witnessing. Pakistan is on current form probably the 9th best ODI team in the world. Our batting has got worse and even our bowling, supposedly Waqar's strong suit, has been taken to the cleaners by Bangladesh.

Enough is enough.
 
Markhor said:
Another ODI series, another dreadful defeat. We have lost every single ODI series under Waqar.

He was poor the first time round as head coach, and has somehow managed to get worse this time. Only Pakistan would hire Australia's bowling coach reject as head coach. Whatmore era looks like golden age compared to the current dross we are witnessing. Pakistan is on current form probably the 9th best ODI team in the world. Our batting has got worse and even our bowling, supposedly Waqar's strong suit, has been taken to the cleaners by Bangladesh.

Enough is enough.
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Our fast bowlers were so clueless that they kept on bowling short at Bangladesh batsmen. What was the best bowling coach doing in the dressing room? No message no guidance to these dumb bowlers.
 
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Waqar is proving himself out to be a tactical joker. Sending in Tanvir to bat? Lol and What is obsession with Umar Gul and Ajmal?
 
Hamzakhalid said:
Waqar is proving himself out to be a tactical joker. Sending in Tanvir to bat? Lol and What is obsession with Umar Gul and Ajmal?
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sending Haris ahead Sarfraz in the middle of the game. A complete joker. I may not be able to defend his stance on attitude or discipline but there is no one that can convince me he is good enough tactically.
 
lol. ok. Calm down. Take a seat. Open your ears. Listen.

The T20 team is SOLELY run on the whims of Afridi and Waqar has no say.. Yes, you can credit Waqar for the loss in the ODIs. Afridi saab, the most agressive kaptaan takes off Malik after bowling two great overs, benches him for the Super over, plays his buds in tanvir and anwar, what did you expect to happen?
 
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I don't understand the point of this thread. A coach can't make a team into world beaters. Only a team itself can do that. If the team isn't good the coach can't do jack
 
TheNightWatchman said:
I don't understand the point of this thread. A coach can't make a team into world beaters. Only a team itself can do that. If the team isn't good the coach can't do jack
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then the coach should sit at home if he can't do anything other than press conferences.
 
saadsahabjee said:
then the coach should sit at home if he can't do anything other than press conferences.
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Isn't that what all coaches do? A coach can't sit his team down like a bunch of babies and go through the basics that you're supposed to learn in cricket academy, like "Hafeez. Please don't run until you call the other runner." or "Anwar please keep your eyes on the ball and catch with soft hands." or "Please Tanvir. Don't bowl crap fulltosses."
If the players can't do the basics right, the coach has no power.
 
LOL, if the coach can't have a say then he shouldn't be a coach. What a laughable excuse.

He's a awful coach, full stop. Same thing happened first time around and now during his second stint too.
 
Sherlock said:
LOL, if the coach can't have a say then he shouldn't be a coach. What a laughable excuse.

He's a awful coach, full stop. Same thing happened first time around and now during his second stint too.
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You can't really blame the coach when talking about such a professionally dheet nation.
 
One word for Waqar's coaching. Dismal. Abysmal. Woeful. Dreadful. Horrid.

Take your pick or all of the above.
 
Waqar is a habitual scape goater. In the past he blamed the then seniors like Afridi, Akhtar, Razzaq, Yousaf. Now that he has a team of mostly junior players and he is still throwing players like Shehzad, Akmal and Maqsood under the bus. The guy is not fit to be coach.
 
Pakistan in LOI or T20 !!!

First I have to say regarding the batting- the worst in International Cricket among the top eight, because they don't have the quality to survive a quality bowling attack, their technique are awful, some ( Rafatullah, Rizwan) of them can't hit the big hits, even can't run the singles or doubles while they are unable hit the fours or sixes, because they are the bellow par as a batsman, Some other reason of poor batting is, the selectors can't use the talent in a proper manner and wasting the talent like Umar Akmal, Nasir Jamshed, Shoaib Maqsood and others by shuffling too much from the squad, and the coaches and team management are also liable for this- Waqar has no managerial skill, he can't courage the boys as he had from the great Imran Khan (e.g. Pakistan wins matches only by their own, here is no outlines from the coaches).

Secondly the bowling- if Waqar had some sort of training skill then the bowling would have in a shape at least. These days the bowling is suffering in the shortest formats too, the pace of the current bowlers is inferior flank compare to Pakistani trend; even they can’t bowl the Yorkers at the death overs which are phenomenon in Pakistani bowling history. Yasir is not suiting in LOI/T20 that’s the other concern, after losing Ajmal and Hafeez spin bowling is got trailing thus why team can’t optimize the pressure on opposition at the middle of innings. Wahab, Irfan are very much lavish and expensive bowlers, they leaks the run in every over when its need to keep in control. Others are very much mediocre and behind the par. Need to have the genuine bowlers like Amir and others who have the raw talents.

Finally the fielding- it’s the dreadful part among the three departments; traditionally fielding cannot belongs to Pakistan, because they are indolent in fielding from their history, which causes the looser in many matches. But some of the exception likes Rizwan, Anwar, Umar and Malik –very few in numbers.
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Waqar is just a glorfied puppet master as a coach pretty much wanting to run the team as though hes captain, his coaching skills are pretty pathetic and for all there to see, the ODI and T20 team has been abysmal under his "coaching"
 
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And peeps here are quick to point fingers at certain players but are willing to give a awful 'coach' yet another chance. The man is so stuck in the past with his 90's gameplan, its makes me more nostalgic for the good times, rather than seeing any innovation in his coaching abilities and tge current mess we're in. His record in LOI as a coach is abysmal.
 
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Sherlock said:
And peeps here are quick to point fingers at certain players but are willing to give a awful 'coach' yet another chance. The man is so stuck in the past with his 90's gameplan, its makes me more nostalgic for the good times, rather than seeing any innovation in his coaching abilities and tge current mess we're in. His record in LOI as a coach is abysmal.
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The guy tries, not the smartest brain out there, but he is honest. Had huge ego issues in his first instinct (dropping top players Yousuf, Akhtar, fights with Afridi), which he has sorted out now.

Our batting has regressed, where Malik is seen as a saviour, although we have Grant Flower as the batting coach. Spin bowling has been fine. Selectors have been picking club level pacers in the squad, guys like Tanvir, Anwar, Bhatti, Gul

As [MENTION=138980]TalentSpotterPk[/MENTION] has been pointing out, we have enough quality pacers in domestic circles. They are not even being tried. How many pace bowlers debuted in 2015, except one-match wonder Yamin? Why are Majid Ali, Sadaf Hussain, M Nawaz, Afraz Khoso, Taj Wali not being tried when we are already so abysmal?

Clearly there are more issues than just Waqar. A change in coach will not yield any results if nepotism and ineptitude runs deep in PCB
 
People are acting like with a different coach we'll have different outcomes and ignoring the basic underlying truth -

Our players are just not that good.

Some other coach isn't going to magically raise us to #5 in the world or something. We have a woeful bowling unit right now - they don't trouble any decent batsmen.

Our batsmen have peas for brains and also just lack basic skill and technique.

Unless Waqar can go change every problem ailing Pakistan cricket, I don't think any choice can make this group of players into anything more than they are - average to below average on the international stage.

And I've yet to see any sign of captaincy better than what Misbah showed in the WC vs. SA.
 
Any other country in the world, waqar would have been shown the door given the abysmal results under his coaching

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The only thing saving Waqar at the moment is the test performances in the UAE but I think he needs to be shown the door as the LOI results and performances are not acceptable and have not been for a long time.
 
cricfan14 said:
People are acting like with a different coach we'll have different outcomes and ignoring the basic underlying truth -

Our players are just not that good.

Some other coach isn't going to magically raise us to #5 in the world or something. We have a woeful bowling unit right now - they don't trouble any decent batsmen.

Our batsmen have peas for brains and also just lack basic skill and technique.

Unless Waqar can go change every problem ailing Pakistan cricket, I don't think any choice can make this group of players into anything more than they are - average to below average on the international stage.

And I've yet to see any sign of captaincy better than what Misbah showed in the WC vs. SA.
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Either a coach makes a difference or he does not.

If not then Waqar can go home anyway?

If yes, what proof do you have that someone else could not do at least a bit better?

More to the point, what is the excuse for not trying out someone else if results are
so poor in ODIS that they could hardly get any worse? What do you have to loose?

Nothing ventured nothing gained.
 
Justcrazy said:
Team is poor no doubt , but waqar makes it poorer.
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Agree! Team may not be that great, but coaches like Woolmer and Lawson made one or two mediocre players looked good. Whereas Waqar's Job is to make couple of excuses in press conference after every loss.
 
abc_to_xyz said:
Agree! Team may not be that great, but coaches like Woolmer and Lawson made one or two mediocre players looked good. Whereas Waqar's Job is to make couple of excuses in press conference after every loss.
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Just look at matches in which Waqar was captain , that is a clear indication that he is poor tacticaly .
 
One of the worst coaches for Pakistan along with Whatmore and Lawson. They shouldn't renew his contract.
 
Waqar leaves, some new random coach comes in, let's say Tom Moody.

*Pakistan get whitewashed in ODI series, don't make semis of world t20, no wins in champions trophy*

Moody sucks, bring in someone else.

Dean Jones becomes coach

*Pakistan lose overseas test tours, lose Gandhi-Jinnah cup in India, first round exit of Paratha Challenge Cup*

Throw Dean Jones out, bring someone else.

Cycle continues...

It's always the coach right? Our extremely supremely talented youngstas are always misguided by the coach, if only they could get a good coach they'd be world beaters, oh boy!

No not really, they won't be world beaters whether you bring back Whatmore or somehow land Lehmann. They will always be egg beaters.

In the last 15 years, only Woolmer gets praised and I don't want to be dark, but had he completed his tenure he would've been insulted too after the spinelessness we showed in the 2007 world cup.

Lawson gets talked down, Whatmore gets talked down, Waqar is getting talked down.

Fact is we don't have the players, and no coach is going to inject them with talent and skill out of thin air.
 
Suleiman said:
Waqar leaves, some new random coach comes in, let's say Tom Moody.

*Pakistan get whitewashed in ODI series, don't make semis of world t20, no wins in champions trophy*

Moody sucks, bring in someone else.

Dean Jones becomes coach

*Pakistan lose overseas test tours, lose Gandhi-Jinnah cup in India, first round exit of Paratha Challenge Cup*

Throw Dean Jones out, bring someone else.

Cycle continues...

It's always the coach right? Our extremely supremely talented youngstas are always misguided by the coach, if only they could get a good coach they'd be world beaters, oh boy!

No not really, they won't be world beaters whether you bring back Whatmore or somehow land Lehmann. They will always be egg beaters.

In the last 15 years, only Woolmer gets praised and I don't want to be dark, but had he completed his tenure he would've been insulted too after the spinelessness we showed in the 2007 world cup.

Lawson gets talked down, Whatmore gets talked down, Waqar is getting talked down.

Fact is we don't have the players, and no coach is going to inject them with talent and skill out of thin air.
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There's too much common sense in this post.
 
Always said he was overrated and we'll be a laughing stock at the end

Kinda proves it, wonder what his salary is
 
Suleiman said:
Waqar leaves, some new random coach comes in, let's say Tom Moody.

*Pakistan get whitewashed in ODI series, don't make semis of world t20, no wins in champions trophy*

Moody sucks, bring in someone else.

Dean Jones becomes coach

*Pakistan lose overseas test tours, lose Gandhi-Jinnah cup in India, first round exit of Paratha Challenge Cup*

Throw Dean Jones out, bring someone else.

Cycle continues...

It's always the coach right? Our extremely supremely talented youngstas are always misguided by the coach, if only they could get a good coach they'd be world beaters, oh boy!

No not really, they won't be world beaters whether you bring back Whatmore or somehow land Lehmann. They will always be egg beaters.

In the last 15 years, only Woolmer gets praised and I don't want to be dark, but had he completed his tenure he would've been insulted too after the spinelessness we showed in the 2007 world cup.

Lawson gets talked down, Whatmore gets talked down, Waqar is getting talked down.

Fact is we don't have the players, and no coach is going to inject them with talent and skill out of thin air.
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Good post. You really can't coach skill at this level. Its the lack of a strong domestic system that is hurting Pakistan cricket. No coach can solve the issues and blaming Waqar is absolutely pointless.
 
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It's funny how Whatmore keeps getting called a disaster over this guy who gets free pass after free pass after free pass under the pretext of "he can only do so much with such an ordinary bunch of players".
 
Never should have fired Whatmore. Waqar gets a free pass for his constantly poor results and then gets re-hired and remains poor. Under Whatmore we had one bad year and we sacked him. Smh.
 
Fair to say we have given him a long chance now.

But changing coaches wont change our problems within domestic; quality players are produced, not taught. We are just in decline.
 
A man's son was about to be hanged , he went to a lawyer and asked for help ,the lawyer said i will take the case of your son but will take 15000 per month as fees , the man rejected his demand and instead went to a better lawyer who was asking 150,000 per month.After one month the first lawyer saw the client and asked him about his son's case to which the person told him that the lawyer lost the case and my son is no more.The lawyer replied "Dekha yehi kam mein 15000 me kerdeta "

some story with waqar , it is better to hire some cheap local coaches than to waste money on Mr Waqar.
 
Theo_14 said:
Fair to say we have given him a long chance now.

But changing coaches wont change our problems within domestic; quality players are produced, not taught. We are just in decline.
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Here we go again. Blame it all on the players but not a single ounce for the coach.
 
saadsahabjee said:
A man's son was about to be hanged , he went to a lawyer and asked for help ,the lawyer said i will take the case of your son but will take 15000 per month as fees , the man rejected his demand and instead went to a better lawyer who was asking 150,000 per month.After one month the first lawyer saw the client and asked him about his son's case to which the person told him that the lawyer lost the case and my son is no more.The lawyer replied "Dekha yehi kam mein 15000 me kerdeta "

some story with waqar , it is better to hire some cheap local coaches than to waste money on Mr Waqar.
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I disagree with cheap coaches or local coaches. This is just like a job. When Waqar was first hired, i am pretty sure in his contract he would have been given certain goals, targets to achieve during his tenure and he would have given his plan of action on how he would go about achieving those things.

His tenure and contract has now ended and the results are in front of us. In any professional setting, they would sit down with him, do any appraisal, a professional assessment of his performance and if the originally laid out performance goals have not been met, he would be kicked out and the next best man for the job would be sought out.

Get someone else i.e. Dean Jones, Viv Richards e.t.c even if it means paying them more as long as our players start enjoying playing the game again and can get a different perspective on things rather than a one dimensional over training regime with very little technical or tactical input.
 
The only wrong this he did today was to send Umar Akmal at number 5 if that was his move. Otherwise he did nothing wrong totally as per coaching perspective.

I think it's Afridi who decided to send Umar Akmal at number 5 and he should be blamed.

Umar Akmal is our best batsman and he should bat at number 3 or minimum number 4.
 
Kick him out please.

Amir's performance has nothing to do with Waqar's coaching. He always had it in him.
 
#GreenRoars said:
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Why not? Are you going to pull "When the players walk out on the field, it is all on them, the coach can't do anything", "The coach can only so much when he was a very ordinary bunch to work with" card predictably?
 
Not much blame to him to be honest - he is not a Head Coach material, but PCB thought so; it's not his fault entirely. Why should he decline a hefty pay cheque, just because his employers are dumb?
 
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