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Waqar Younis Coaching Performance Thread

MMHS said:
Not much blame to him to be honest - he is not a Head Coach material, but PCB thought so; it's not his fault entirely. Why should he decline a hefty pay cheque, just because his employers are dumb?
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In Pakistan there are plenty of employees in certain govt organizations where they are getting fat paycheques of Rs 500,000-600,000 plus per month when in reality they are just ghost employees. Does this exhonerate them for receiving free paycheques for doing nothing?
 
He may not be entirely to blame for today but surely the players would've had a word with the coach on how to set-up and play out the innings on a devilish pitch?

When you're half-way through the innings, surely you'd get a message across to the players to say 120/130 is a decent score on here?

Blame the players of course, but also the coaching and the advise given to them when they went out to bat.

I'm still baffled by Manzoor's inclusion in the T20 squad, let alone his inclusion in any cricketing format that I've resisted digging into Sharjeel/Akmal/Malik/Afridi etc.

The man looked like a fish that was picked up from the sea and thrown into the desert storm of professional sports.

He looked awful and nervous as hell. Thank goodness this is a precursor to the WC because we'd already be scratching for a win.

Poor tactics all round.
 
He's not only a poor coach but a he seems more interested in have power and control than guiding the players to bring out their best. Wasim is better than him he worked with Sami and Irfan in PSL and the results are there for everyone to see. Irfan's fitness seems much better now.
 
Sherlock said:
He may not be entirely to blame for today but surely the players would've had a word with the coach on how to set-up and play out the innings on a devilish pitch?

When you're half-way through the innings, surely you'd get a message across to the players to say 120/130 is a decent score on here?

Blame the players of course, but also the coaching and the advise given to them when they went out to bat.

I'm still baffled by Manzoor's inclusion in the T20 squad, let alone his inclusion in any cricketing format that I've resisted digging into Sharjeel/Akmal/Malik/Afridi etc.

The man looked like a fish that was picked up from the sea and thrown into the desert storm of professional sports.

He looked awful and nervous as hell. Thank goodness this is a precursor to the WC because we'd already be scratching for a win.

Poor tactics all round.
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I don't understand why hide Manzoor at 3 if he is added to the team as opener, KNOWING Hafeez's weakness in seaming conditions.

If you don't have faith in his opening capabilities regardless of conditions, then why add him?

Still, I don't blame Manzoor, he didn't ask for this, selectors gave him a life and it's up to him to salvage it. Got sold down the river by the one and only :malik.

UAE should be a feast.
 
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He's not only a poor coach but a he seems more interested in have power and control than guiding the players to bring out their best. Wasim is better than him he worked with Sami and Irfan in PSL and the results are there for everyone to see. Irfan's fitness seems much better now.
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Wasim was always a better man manager than Waqar as his captaincy and coaching records have shown so far.
 
Suleiman said:
I don't understand why hide Manzoor at 3 if he is added to the team as opener, KNOWING Hafeez's weakness in seaming conditions.

If you don't have faith in his opening capabilities regardless of conditions, then why add him?

Still, I don't blame Manzoor, he didn't ask for this, selectors gave him a life and it's up to him to salvage it. Got sold down the river by the one and only :malik.

UAE should be a feast.
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Yep, and then we have the false dawn crap that we've had for the last decade or so.

How does that saying go again...

“The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results”
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Pakistan team looked under pressure and nervy from the word go. We are backing on wrong horses.

Can't team management ask them to take it easy but be responsible? At least senior players like Malik and Afridi should show some positive body language. Fear of losing and a sense of helplessness was all too evident today.
 
From day 1

Overrated
Overpaid

And I'll still say it to this day

And when I send he'll send Pakistan cricket to the grave, just watch by the end of the year our games in the UAE, probably only 5 people will turn up

Why turn up to see an awful side with nothing to look forward to in the future
 
Today's defeat can easily be attributed to team management. Time to move on now especially if Pakistan fairs poorly in WT20 which is on the cards with AU's NZ, & IND in our group.
 
TalentSpotterPk said:
The only wrong this he did today was to send Umar Akmal at number 5 if that was his move. Otherwise he did nothing wrong totally as per coaching perspective.

I think it's Afridi who decided to send Umar Akmal at number 5 and he should be blamed.

Umar Akmal is our best batsman and he should bat at number 3 or minimum number 4.
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They batted like a flock of headless chicken.

That said it is clearly unfair to blame Waqar for this one single, defeat. What could he have done about this game? Or the one before that, or the one before that. Etc etc. Clearly, helping players learn cannot be a coach's job.

Plus he has to make do with this lousy bunch of players that the selectors foist on him. Thank god at least that the players he has stumped for have done so well. Wahab. Irfan. Rahat Ali. Pure class.

And why should the players feel accountable when the coach is not?
 
Get Dean Jones and Sangakkara/Viv on the board, and this team will transform into champions. Obviously the players aren't the problem but the management is, same players were world beaters before Waqar and will be world beaters after Waqar.

After all, we won the 2012 World T20 under Whatmore and the 2014 World T20 under Moin.

We are just too reluctant to change, I don't understand why we give our management such long rope. Which team was it who went from Geoff Lawson to Intikhab to Waqar to Mohsin to Whatmore to Moin and back to Waqar (7 coaches) in 6 years and yet did not transform into a world class unit?

Regards,

Typical Pakistani fan
 
Mamoon said:
Get Dean Jones and Sangakkara/Viv on the board, and this team will transform into champions. Obviously the players aren't the problem but the management is, same players were world beaters before Waqar and will be world beaters after Waqar.

After all, we won the 2012 World T20 under Whatmore and the 2014 World T20 under Moin.

We are just too reluctant to change, I don't understand why we give our management such long rope. Which team was it who went from Geoff Lawson to Intikhab to Waqar to Mohsin to Whatmore to Moin and back to Waqar (7 coaches) in 6 years and yet did not transform into a world class unit?

Regards,

Typical Pakistani fan
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He had his time and failed to deliver. There is no harm in experimenting with new choices. And no one says the team will be transformed into world beaters right away. This typical Pakistani fan is in your imagination.
 
Mamoon said:
Get Dean Jones and Sangakkara/Viv on the board, and this team will transform into champions. Obviously the players aren't the problem but the management is, same players were world beaters before Waqar and will be world beaters after Waqar.

After all, we won the 2012 World T20 under Whatmore and the 2014 World T20 under Moin.

We are just too reluctant to change, I don't understand why we give our management such long rope. Which team was it who went from Geoff Lawson to Intikhab to Waqar to Mohsin to Whatmore to Moin and back to Waqar (7 coaches) in 6 years and yet did not transform into a world class unit?

Regards,

Typical Pakistani fan
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Caricatures only argue with themselves.
 
Yes the players are rubbish, as has been said time and time again but so has Waqar. In what alternative universe did he all of a sudden become a thoroughbred of a coach.

The man was a failure the 1st time around and has been a failure the 2nd time around. Rubbish players don't need rubbish coaches too. As someone said earlier, get someone from the domestic side of coaching and give them your 100% backing rather than a man that makes Mohsin Khan look like a sound choice.

You need someone that can simulate the minds and ideas of the players, not send them out to do what they've done for years-on-end without any justification on team selection and final results.

The players are to blame, no doubt about it, but so should the lame excuse for a coach that was a disaster in his first stint too.

What exactly did the PCB expect him to do? This is a poorer side than the one he took over the first time and yet they pay him an awful lot of money to sit there and stroke his ego and talk about youngsters.

This is like Carlos Dunga becoming the coach of Brazil for the 2nd time, despite being castigated and showing no desire for improvement the first time he was coach.

People scoff at the mere mention of sacking him, but then point fingers at the players and say "well the players are rubbish and to blame too". Of course that's true but you know they are rubbish[they ARE] then do something different.

Innovate, think outside the box, do something that'll keep the players on their toes...instead what do we get? We get Manzoor picked along with the human mannequin that is Ifthikar Ahmed. We get Sharjeel picked after not being selected before-hand, the same can be said of Sami.

What exactly are the roles of the players. Who's playing the anchor role and who is the aggressor?

Why do we still lack the obvious notion, and some may call it a simple case, of strike rotation?

Why isn't this being looked at and why do we have a coach that just sits there after a game and states the obvious errors but we see none of the rectifications in the next match?

If you can give him credit for a win, he can also get criticised for a loss [losses]. This is the National side, not some village cricket where mistakes are made ad nauseum but there's no-one to answer to.

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Sure, please provide evidence of managerial changes improving the fortunes of Pakistan team and why we have continuously regressed in ODIs since 2006 (last time we were ranked second for a brief period of time) and T20Is since 2009, even though we have had 8 different coaches in this time period.

I'm sure no other team has gone through 8 different coaches in 10 years, and yet most of them have been better than us.

Ignore the elephant in the room if you wish, but let me address it - we do not have enough talent at our disposal and are down to the bare bones, cosmetic changes like hiring Dean Jones because he won PSL and is passionate on the mic, or 'mentors' like Viv and Sangakkara will do us no good.

The players that we have are the ones who are in front of us, and they are not good enough.
 
I am sure if someone Mamoon did not like was the Pakistani coach at present he would be sticking his guns out for him but because this is waqar who is one of his favourite players in cricket he is giving him an eternal free pass. Waqar can go on like this for eternity, if will never be his fault, it will always be the players.

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It is true that Waqar is my favorite fast bowler of all time, but I have no love or hate for Waqar the coach; a coach in Pakistan cricket cannot do anything if he doesn't have the right players.

I learned my lesson after the tenure of Whatmore whom I criticized heavily. He left and nothing changed and in hindsight, of all the managerial changes that happened in the last few years, nothing helped improve our performances. It is clear now that the players are the problem, not the coaches.

Sack Waqar and bring in anyone you wish, these players will not deliver because they are not good enough to deliver.

Make Waqar the coach of India and he will beat us 8/10 times in Limited Overs these days.
 
Mamoon said:
Sure, please provide evidence of managerial changes improving the fortunes of Pakistan team and why we have continuously regressed in ODIs since 2006 (last time we were ranked second for a brief period of time) and T20Is since 2009, even though we have had 8 different coaches in this time period.

I'm sure no other team has gone through 8 different coaches in 10 years, and yet most of them have been better than us.

Ignore the elephant in the room if you wish, but let me address it - we do not have enough talent at our disposal and are down to the bare bones, cosmetic changes like hiring Dean Jones because he won PSL and is passionate on the mic, or 'mentors' like Viv and Sangakkara will do us no good.

The players that we have are the ones who are in front of us, and they are not good enough.
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it doesn't matter one iota how good the players are, for any team, pakistani or otherwise.
the only relevant question as concerns the coach is: can someone else do better?

the only possible way to get an answer is to try another coach. to say that it has not
worked in the past is persuasive only if one believes that past is destiny.

you are free to believe that it is impossible for a coach to have any impact on a team, but
again and for the umpteenth time, in that case you might as well have no coach whatsoever.

either way, waqar should be fired.

glad we got that out of the way.
 
New Yorker said:
it doesn't matter one iota how good the players are, for any team, pakistani or otherwise.
the only relevant question as concerns the coach is: can someone else do better?

the only possible way to get an answer is to try another coach. to say that it has not
worked in the past is persuasive only if one believes that past is destiny.

you are free to believe that it is impossible for a coach to have any impact on a team, but
again and for the umpteenth time, in that case you might as well have no coach whatsoever.

either way, waqar should be fired.

glad we got that out of the way.
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Okay, so we should keep playing musical chairs until we hit the jackpot. Past is not destiny but it is a good gauge of future performance. If you repeat the same process you are much more likely to get the same result.

Also, our performances in Test cricket is all the evidence one needs that coaching is not the problem in Limited Overs. Our performances in Test cricket have been good under Waqar simply because we have a good core of Test cricketers. If Waqar is a terrible coach, why are we doing well in Tests?
 
Mamoon said:
Okay, so we should keep playing musical chairs until we hit the jackpot. Past is not destiny but it is a good gauge of future performance. If you repeat the same process you are much more likely to get the same result.

Also, our performances in Test cricket is all the evidence one needs that coaching is not the problem in Limited Overs. Our performances in Test cricket have been good under Waqar simply because we have a good core of Test cricketers. If Waqar is a terrible coach, why are we doing well in Tests?
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You are doing battle with strawmen entirely of your making. What jackpot are you talking about? Why the constant descent into caricature?

The question is not whether the next coach will win Pakistan the WC. It is simply: could he do better? And again, we can't know the answer until we try.

The past is a gauge of the future until it isn't. Simple as. India couldn't win abroad until it started winning abroad. Sri Lanka was a minnow in cricket until it won the WC.

As far as I can tell, repeating the same process at this stage would entail keeping Waqar on.

I could entertain your rather peculiar extrapolation from Test results to ODIs. You do understand that the opposite argument could be made on the same evidence?

But you seem make this point so at to argue that success in Tests is not due to the coach. Which begs the question, why have a coach at all?

Again we come to the conclusion that either way, Waqar should be fired.

Let's just hire a fitness trainer and be done with this argument.
 
I do not think any new coach can change the team fortunes immediately , you need to give time for that to happen.

But expecting waqar to bring about those changes will not work. Waqar is just not fit for that job.
 
Waqar has to go. How many more series is this guy gonna be allowed to not only lose but get embarrassed? There is no game planning, no creative thinking, no vision on what you want to achieve.

Someone posted this tweet, i can't say i disagree with it.

"Afridi and Waqar, brilliant cricketers in their own right, but poor tacticians, insecure and petty."
 
New Yorker said:
You are doing battle with strawmen entirely of your making. What jackpot are you talking about? Why the constant descent into caricature?

The question is not whether the next coach will win Pakistan the WC. It is simply: could he do better? And again, we can't know the answer until we try.

The past is a gauge of the future until it isn't. Simple as. India couldn't win abroad until it started winning abroad. Sri Lanka was a minnow in cricket until it won the WC.

As far as I can tell, repeating the same process at this stage would entail keeping Waqar on.

I could entertain your rather peculiar extrapolation from Test results to ODIs. You do understand that the opposite argument could be made on the same evidence?

But you seem make this point so at to argue that success in Tests is not due to the coach. Which begs the question, why have a coach at all?

Again we come to the conclusion that either way, Waqar should be fired.

Let's just hire a fitness trainer and be done with this argument.
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India didn't start winning abroad because they found the right coach; they started winning abroad because they found the right players, and that happened because they evolved with time and improved their infrastructure at the grass-root level.

Sri Lanka did not win the World Cup because of Whatmore. Same Whatmore who couldn't beat Zimbabwe with Pakistan and failed to win a Test series for 2 years; same Whatmore who flopped in the IPL and failed with Sri Lanka in his second stint. Same Whatmore who has never been hired by teams like Australia, England, South Africa, India (only at U-19 level) etc.

Yes the opposite argument can also be made. I never said Waqar is a great coach, because the role of head coach in cricket is vastly overrated. All you need is a great captain and in Pakistan, most of the time, our captain has no tactical skills and on top of that, is not even good enough to merit a place in the team logically.

Which of course means that our players don't receive good education at the grass-root level, and if we are to become a top team we need to improve our infrastructure, cosmetic changes at the top and going from one coach to another when you don't have the players will not help.

I don't care if Waqar is coach or not, my point is that don't expect better results with the same set of players under some other coach, and that is why we have been in terminal decline for a decade even though we have gone through 8 different coaches. That is sufficient evidence that our problem starts at the bottom and not at the top.

Sacking coaches is ignoring the elephant in the room and not addressing the core problem. This has been the problem for years and decades, and that is why Pakistan cricket has regressed.
 
There is no overlooking the fact that PCB does nothing to develop the game or build infrastructure of domestic cricket. The 70+yeard old management team can't figure out this teams needs a batting coach, sports psychologist, competitive domestic structure. i thought Ijaz Butt days couldn't get any worse but they have with Sheheryar, Najam, Shakeel, Intikhab, Haroon, Subhan.

But the problem with Waqar Younis here is he doesn't coach the team.
As coach he should be in Pakistan full time scouting players that he thinks he can nourish. As coach its up to him mold a team. Like Bob Woolmer did. But he lives in Australia, comes to Pakistan only when tours are upcoming, when does he sit with team, strategize? I have yet to see a tactical batting lineup. I see a lot of stubborness and petty revenge tactics and lots of predictability.

Also under his watch which young player is better than he was before Walker Younis started coaching?

Sohail Khan - a perfect candidate for a bowler like Waqar to work with. But nothing
Shehzad - if anything has digressed
Akmal - same as Shehzad
Prof - same player he was at 18
Azhar Ali - Still same.
Sohaib Maqsood - seems lost
Fawad Alam - can't figure out his batting stance
Hammad Azam - career likely over
Rizwan- wasted down the order
Sarfraz - much improved but wasted at #6
Babar Azam - need a bigger sample size
Haris Sohail - what happened to him, no one cares.
Mohammad Talha - what happened to him, another player Waqar could have worked with.
Junaid Khan - top notch bowler to not being selected
Umar Gul - Career almost finished
Aizaz Cheema - int' career finished
Tanvir ahmed - smart guy, int'l career finished
Irfan - has improved
Rahat Ali - shown flashes.
 
Mamoon said:
It is true that Waqar is my favorite fast bowler of all time, but I have no love or hate for Waqar the coach; a coach in Pakistan cricket cannot do anything if he doesn't have the right players.

I learned my lesson after the tenure of Whatmore whom I criticized heavily. He left and nothing changed and in hindsight, of all the managerial changes that happened in the last few years, nothing helped improve our performances. It is clear now that the players are the problem, not the coaches.

Sack Waqar and bring in anyone you wish, these players will not deliver because they are not good enough to deliver.

Make Waqar the coach of India and he will beat us 8/10 times in Limited Overs these days.
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This is nonsense. Waqar was conspicuous by his absence in the PSL. He isn't liked and the players don't respect him. He is a dull workhorse who has no leadership capabilities.
 
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This is nonsense. Waqar was conspicuous by his absence in the PSL. He isn't liked and the players don't respect him. He is a dull workhorse who has no leadership capabilities.
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Wasim Akram also criticized Waqar for not attending all the PSL games and ofcourse for his lust for absolute power as Pakistan Coach.
 
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Wasim Akram also criticized Waqar for not attending all the PSL games and ofcourse for his lust for absolute power as Pakistan Coach.
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But but but.. it was Misbah's fault before this? He was making the batsman play slowly.. Afridi's captaincy will introduce an aggressive brand of cricket? Well this is what we wanted right? Why the fuss? The team played very aggressively on this pitch, so much so that everyone had two boundaries to their name before getting out. THe whole batting team was out inside 5 overs??

Why all the fuss now? Waqar's brand of cricket was defensive, this aggression personified by Afridi? THis has no label of Waqar's brand on it.. Waqar's brand was what you associated with Misbah and Azhar Ali

Secondly all onfield decisions are made by the captain? What was Waqar's role in Afridi getting run out? Or gettin Manzoor run out for that matter? Please enlighten me on this part. Isn't Afridi the match winner supposed to know that he was the last recognized batsman? Why the suicidal running?

Why was Sarfraz batting sensibly while others weren't? Is that credit to Waqar or credit to Sarfraz?

Did Waqar ask Afridi to keep only 2 slips in while the bowl flied through the slip region twice?

Amir and Sami bowled well, is that credit to Amir or credit to Waqar?

Wahab bowled poorly, is that Waqar's fault or is it Wahab's own fault???

Usually when Wahab bowls well, who does the credit goto? the player or the coach?
 
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Is waqar the coach supposed to be teaching everyone how to run between the wickets? Or is it something the players learn when they play in school?

And seriously do you expect Waqar to be teaching Afridi how to be runnning between the wickets after 20 years of Afridi's International experience? Afridi has played more years of International cricket than Waqar? So surely International experience wise you would consider Afridi as Waqar's senior? So by that logic Afridi knows more than Waqar and is wise enough to make his own decisions? SO why the freaking' fuss now then? This is Afridi's team and Afridi calling all the shots?? Afridi does whatever he likes then what is the reason for all the complains? He is the brave hearted soldier who leads with crest on his heart?? Why would the brave players of Pakistan listen to a coward like Waqar who enforces defensive cricket of Misbah's brand? A defensive and meek captain of his time and a dull coach with no powers?
 
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But but but.. it was Misbah's fault before this? He was making the batsman play slowly.. Afridi's captaincy will introduce an aggressive brand of cricket? Well this is what we wanted right? Why the fuss? The team played very aggressively on this pitch, so much so that everyone had two boundaries to their name before getting out. THe whole batting team was out inside 5 overs??

Why all the fuss now? Waqar's brand of cricket was defensive, this aggression personified by Afridi? THis has no label of Waqar's brand on it.. Waqar's brand was what you associated with Misbah and Azhar Ali

Secondly all onfield decisions are made by the captain? What was Waqar's role in Afridi getting run out? Or gettin Manzoor run out for that matter? Please enlighten me on this part. Isn't Afridi the match winner supposed to know that he was the last recognized batsman? Why the suicidal running?

Why was Sarfraz batting sensibly while others weren't? Is that credit to Waqar or credit to Sarfraz?

Did Waqar ask Afridi to keep only 2 slips in while the bowl flied through the slip region twice?

Amir and Sami bowled well, is that credit to Amir or credit to Waqar?

Wahab bowled poorly, is that Waqar's fault or is it Wahab's own fault???

Usually when Wahab bowls well, who does the credit goto? the player or the coach?
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Is waqar the coach supposed to be teaching everyone how to run between the wickets? Or is it something the players learn when they play in school?

And seriously do you expect Waqar to be teaching Afridi how to be runnning between the wickets after 20 years of Afridi's International experience? Afridi has played more years of International cricket than Waqar? So surely International experience wise you would consider Afridi as Waqar's senior? So by that logic Afridi knows more than Waqar and is wise enough to make his own decisions? SO why the freaking' fuss now then? This is Afridi's team and Afridi calling all the shots?? Afridi does whatever he likes then what is the reason for all the complains? He is the brave hearted soldier who leads with crest on his heart?? Why would the brave players of Pakistan listen to a coward like Waqar who enforces defensive cricket of Misbah's brand? A defensive and meek captain of his time and a dull coach with no powers?
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The answer to this desperate rant to make Waqar good is that hopefully now that Waqar has had 2 years on the job, there will be a thorough performance evaluation and given the results we have had under him, the PCB will either demote him to a strictly bowling coach role or boot him out for good.
 
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The answer to this desperate rant to make Waqar good is that hopefully now that Waqar has had 2 years on the job, there will be a thorough performance evaluation and given the results we have had under him, the PCB will either demote him to a strictly bowling coach role or boot him out for good.
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and we have had 3 tenures of Afridi's captaincy ship? Who will be held accountable for that? Does Afridi deserve to continue after losing the last 6 games out of 7 to top oppositions in t20s? But bashing only minnows before that
 
Does Afridi have the dressing room? Or is it Waqar calling the shots in the background? If Waqar was calling the shots then why is the team playing Afridi's brand of cricket of either hitting or getting out?
 
This thread was about Walker Younis, not Afridi. But if you ask me, the person who told Afridi to re-think he retirement after WC should be checked in to a mental hospital. There is argument for me at least that Afridi is a dream kaptaan. We had one selfless kaptaan and i thought that was Younis Khan but i don't wanna get into YK right now.

Waqar is responsible for this sinking ship, even if we win T20 WC miraculously i think Waqar should still get the boot. In 2-3 years he has not produced/groomed any players, he has lost series after series and his arrogance doesn't help. His stubbornness of playing Nasir Jamshed match after match and having Sarfraz ride the pine in the WC should have been it for him.
 
ZoabKhan said:
This thread was about Walker Younis, not Afridi. But if you ask me, the person who told Afridi to re-think he retirement after WC should be checked in to a mental hospital. There is argument for me at least that Afridi is a dream kaptaan. We had one selfless kaptaan and i thought that was Younis Khan but i don't wanna get into YK right now.

Waqar is responsible for this sinking ship, even if we win T20 WC miraculously i think Waqar should still get the boot. In 2-3 years he has not produced/groomed any players, he has lost series after series and his arrogance doesn't help. His stubbornness of playing Nasir Jamshed match after match and having Sarfraz ride the pine in the WC should have been it for him.
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Replacement?
 
Waqar Younis is not a great coach

But to ignore the massive improvement in bowling, especially fast bowling, which he has brought about is unfair
 
ZoabKhan said:
This thread was about Walker Younis, not Afridi. But if you ask me, the person who told Afridi to re-think he retirement after WC should be checked in to a mental hospital. There is argument for me at least that Afridi is a dream kaptaan. We had one selfless kaptaan and i thought that was Younis Khan but i don't wanna get into YK right now.

Waqar is responsible for this sinking ship, even if we win T20 WC miraculously i think Waqar should still get the boot. In 2-3 years he has not produced/groomed any players, he has lost series after series and his arrogance doesn't help. His stubbornness of playing Nasir Jamshed match after match and having Sarfraz ride the pine in the WC should have been it for him.
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Batsman in Waqar's era ; batsman/allrounders : Rizwan, Babar Azam, Haris Sohail, Sarfraz (ODIs), Anwar Ali (comeback), Malik (comeback), Nasir Jamshed (cameback and failed), Imad Wasim

In fast bowlers/spinners : Sohail Khan, Rahat Ali, Imran Khan jr, Wahab Riaz (comeback), Yasir Shah, Sami (comeback), Ehsan Adil (WC), Bilal Asif
 
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Shehzad, Umar Akmal and Maqsood have all failed in Waqar's tenure, and have been rightly discarded..
 
Add Asad Shafiq and Fawad Alam to the list of players that were tried in Waqar's era and failed to deliver..
 
Azhar Ali the opening batsman and captain - credit to Waqar for introducing AA and relieving us of opening woes..
 
Abdul said:
Waqar Younis is not a great coach

But to ignore the massive improvement in bowling, especially fast bowling, which he has brought about is unfair
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Lolz, If we don't have coach for bowling; it will be still produce fast bowler and wicket taker bowlers.. waqar need to leave soon...
 
Which fast bowler has come on the scene and just dominated?
The guys bowling right now, Wahab, Amir, Irfan, Junaid...Walker has nothing to do with.
 
Batsman in Waqar's era ; batsman/allrounders : Rizwan, Babar Azam, Haris Sohail, Sarfraz (ODIs), Anwar Ali (comeback), Malik (comeback), Nasir Jamshed (cameback and failed), Imad Wasim.


Rizwan - has not improved. Instead he has taken a step back. Because he gets wasted at #7. Another feather in Walker's hat.
Azam - small sample size so far
Haris Sohail - MIA
Sarfraz - despite all that Walker did to sideline him. He has turned into our most reliable bat.
Anwar Ali - Bowling very below avg. Excellent fielder and good hitter.
Shoaib Malik - who cares.
Imad Wasim - Good asset. Smart, talented. But again he is brought in and then kicked out of team...
 
One of the worst ever coaches pakistan ever had and out limited overs sides under him have been pathetic, The sooner hes dumped as coach the better.
 
0 out of 10.
1.Unable to Mange or Coach player like Ahmad Shahazad and umar akmal. if Coach don't know how to manage ppl. then he should not be coach
2. Irfan , Wahab still don't know how to take wickets , As Bowling coach its waqar responsiblity to teach them how to take wickets. if batsmen is not taking any risk
3. Have no idea of PSL
4. V famous saying of waqar about sarfraz in world cup, Sarfraz is not opener and due to his ego , he have almost finished his career. But First Thanks to Allah Pak and karachi lobby save Sarfraz career
5. As a coach giving excuse like we lost as imad waseem did not play
6. etc etc
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
This is nonsense. Waqar was conspicuous by his absence in the PSL. He isn't liked and the players don't respect him. He is a dull workhorse who has no leadership capabilities.
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Yeah right, replace Waqar with any fancy name and see how much better we get. This exercise has been repeated 8 times in the last 10 years and we continued to move in one direction only. How long will it take before it is clear that coaching at the top level is not the problem?
 
Mamoon said:
Yeah right, replace Waqar with any fancy name and see how much better we get. This exercise has been repeated 8 times in the last 10 years and we continued to move in one direction only. How long will it take before it is clear that coaching at the top level is not the problem?
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Yes Coaching at high level is not Major Problem . But it is little part of problem , which can be fix quickly
 
Problem with Waqar is not coaching? It is the lack of man management and motivation. International team is no place for coaching you only need a manager someone who can instill confidence in the players and motivate them. The way I see it we lack someone who has the street smartness and has some out of the box thoughts and strategy. Unfortunately for Waqar he is one dimensional just like the captains he has been served in Afridi and Azhar.

When was the last time we saw some innovation from the Pak team. Afridi keeps on sitting in the pavilion till the end, Umar Akmal keeps on waiting for 3 wickets to fall, Wahab keeps on playing based on 1 performance, Hafeez keeps on failing when facing big match pressure.

There is no planning and we keep on repeating the same mistakes which for me is the biggest failure of Waqar.
 
arehaan said:
Problem with Waqar is not coaching? It is the lack of man management and motivation. International team is no place for coaching you only need a manager someone who can instill confidence in the players and motivate them. The way I see it we lack someone who has the street smartness and has some out of the box thoughts and strategy. Unfortunately for Waqar he is one dimensional just like the captains he has been served in Afridi and Azhar.

When was the last time we saw some innovation from the Pak team. Afridi keeps on sitting in the pavilion till the end, Umar Akmal keeps on waiting for 3 wickets to fall, Wahab keeps on playing based on 1 performance, Hafeez keeps on failing when facing big match pressure.

There is no planning and we keep on repeating the same mistakes which for me is the biggest failure of Waqar.
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How quickly? 9 years? 10 years?

No coach since Bob Woolmer (under whom we reached 2nd in Tests and ODIs) has had any prolonged period of success.
 
Hope Waqar is sent his marching orders before he starts messing with Aamir's action and run up.

I also see no point in Mushtaq Ahmed's inclusion in the coaching setup these days.

Waqar could not bat to save his life, how he became the national coach was shocking.

Much preferred him in the commentary box.
 
ZoabKhan said:
Batsman in Waqar's era ; batsman/allrounders : Rizwan, Babar Azam, Haris Sohail, Sarfraz (ODIs), Anwar Ali (comeback), Malik (comeback), Nasir Jamshed (cameback and failed), Imad Wasim.


Rizwan - has not improved. Instead he has taken a step back. Because he gets wasted at #7. Another feather in Walker's hat.
Azam - small sample size so far
Haris Sohail - MIA
Sarfraz - despite all that Walker did to sideline him. He has turned into our most reliable bat.
Anwar Ali - Bowling very below avg. Excellent fielder and good hitter.
Shoaib Malik - who cares.
Imad Wasim - Good asset. Smart, talented. But again he is brought in and then kicked out of team...
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Evidence of where Waqar sidelined Sarfraz? He was the one who brought him in ODI's once Umar Akmal complained about keeping affecting his batting
 
ZoabKhan said:
Which fast bowler has come on the scene and just dominated?
The guys bowling right now, Wahab, Amir, Irfan, Junaid...Walker has nothing to do with.
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Please refer to test matches, cwc 2015, Zimbabwe series, and Srilanka series of 2015
 
Waqar is a poor tactician and that goes against him. Pakistan does not need a coach for international team. They need a good manager/motivator/planner.
 
didnt malik say that they misjudged the pitch in the game against india. what exactly is waqars role if he doesnt even have the experience to help formulate a strategy for his side?

i think this is one of the major problems with assessing waqars efficacy at his job - im not sure anyone knows exactly what his job is, or what the head coach role means in pakistan.

we do know that he ran away when it got tough the last time he did it, we know that the biggest scandal to have happened in pakistan cricket happened under his watch, and we know (i think) he neither has any previous top level experience for the job, nor qualifications (as far as i am aware). we also know that tactically and strategically as a captain, he was awful. on the other hand, we suspect that he was to be credited with a very marked and significant improvement in our bowling when he was first appointed as bowling coach in 2006 before that ***** nasim ashraf abused his position and destroyed what might have been the beginnings of the best fast bowling coaching in the world.
 
Vicky bhai should permanently retire and go back to his residence in Sydney.

Dean Jones should be appointed as head coach if he is available, he was awesome with IU and made a team of nobodies into champions with strategies and correct utilization of resources
 
Imo, there are two basic things required off a coach in our country

1) creating and maintaining harmonic, positive atmosphere in the team(something which Bob woolmer and Mohsin hasan khan succeeed at)

2)help modify faults of players and try to correct them either by himself or consultation

Which one of either these two has Waqar fulfilled ?

Plus if he has any say in the selections, then infact he has actually done even more bad being a part of this chopping and shuffling jihallat process where one player goes another comes in without any sense or rational which has been going on ever since he was made coach. Any thoughts on this ?


We have a FULLY working combination of lunatics running in Pakistan from the governement in NS as PM, then Sethi and Shehryar in PCB, Waqar as coach and Afridi as captain. Unless this doesnt break, dont keep up your hopes
 
If there was any other coach in place of waqar , he would have retired long ago but since mr waqar is immune to self respect , we have to bear him ..
 
:waqar has to be worst coach ever , but PCB still has faith in him , shows how useless the PCB are.
 
MMHS said:
I can understand your point; but who can you defend that bowling selection & field placing after 23/3?
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Both Afridi and Waqar are tactical failures, but they are not standing between greatness and this Pakistan team.

We simply do not have the players at the moment. The talent pool is dry.

PSL exposed the lack of talent in Pakistan. Other than a couple of left-arm orthodox (Asghar should have been picked) spinners, no new talent stood out. Same old tried and tested failures at this level shone.

Sacking Waqar and Afridi will not change that.
 
Mamoon said:
Both Afridi and Waqar are tactical failures, but they are not standing between greatness and this Pakistan team.

We simply do not have the players at the moment. The talent pool is dry.

PSL exposed the lack of talent in Pakistan. Other than a couple of left-arm orthodox (Asghar should have been picked) spinners, no new talent stood out. Same old tried and tested failures at this level shone.

Sacking Waqar and Afridi will not change that.
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But, it 'll improve considerably. You need better talent to be in top 3 - but to remain in touching distance, this team has enough of that. Take today's match - 118 wasn't a walk, after 23/3, it was like 145 sort of total on a rank turner. Then the poor bowling choice & captaincy took the match out of grasp.

I would have agreed had PAK finished with 100 or IND finished PP at 30/1. Unpopular comment - but same team & attack, from 23/3 Captain Malik would have made IND sweat every bit to win it.
 
MMHS said:
I can understand your point; but who can you defend that bowling selection & field placing after 23/3?
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Was Waqar also on the field directing play ?

The fact of the matter is that apart from Amir there isn't any other world class player in the team and you're not going to win against decent teams when there is such a gulf in ability.
 
Bad news for Pakistan as the coach who deliberated Pakistan moving from no.4 and 5 in 2009 to no. 9 in 2015/16 is back as bowling coach, thanks to dementors [for Pakistan cricket and fans] Wasim Khan and Ehsan Mani.

I've not been watching regularly but I watched horrendous use of bowlers by the coaching side. Clueless and lacking intent, Pakistani bowlers were smashed all over the park.

Due to umpire error, Pakistani bowlers bowled a lot of no balls in the morning. In today's cricket not being able to overcome this error cost Naseem Shah his maiden wicket.

But what struck me is Waqar Younis [Fast bowler himself] making Naseem Shah bowl over 15 overs plus with a 8 over spell, who has just come out of a career threatening back injury and playing his first test.
Shaheen Shah and Naseem looked confused and bowling wayward lengths.

He is repeating the same crap he did with Junaid Khan and Sohail Tanvir, virtually making them reduce their pace with multiple injuries.
 
302-1 after 73 overs on Day 1 in a pink ball Test.

Somebody must explain whether these are the best bowlers in Pakistan and what the plan is to take wickets in Australia.

This guy is the epitome of shamelessness. He had FOUR previous coaching roles with Pakistan and failed every time. Any self-respecting person would reflect on their strengths and weaknesses, maybe gain some coaching experience elsewhere and aim to improve.

But no. This guy each time ran back to the comfort of the commentary box waiting for his successors to fail, then re-apply for the same post which PCB in their infinite wisdom decide to accept.
 
[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] , say something about your precious Waqar coaching. If Mickey was the coach imagine his out rage. [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION]
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Why are we not not backing our players and giving them confidence?? . Firstly there was no reason not to play Abbas, I hope now that they have brought him back they back him and not drop him otherwise that’s the end of his career. Contd ...</p>— Azhar Mahmood (@AzharMahmood11) <a href="https://twitter.com/AzharMahmood11/status/1200431096535625729?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 29, 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We know that Australian players are strong on the back foot, hence we needed to bowl fuller lengths... But this also comes from giving them confidence. What’s with the panic button why do they keep chopping and changing players.</p>— Azhar Mahmood (@AzharMahmood11) <a href="https://twitter.com/AzharMahmood11/status/1200432623761444871?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 29, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Hasan123 said:
[MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION] , say something about your precious Waqar coaching. If Mickey was the coach imagine his out rage. [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION]
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buck stops with the head coach

If Misbah is not happy with Waqar, he should fire Waqar.

Ultimately the blame comes to head coach.
 
Waqar - The 3 time failed coach only cares about his paycheck.

Infighting, backstabbing, revolts, politics, drugs, ball tempering is Waqar's legacy.
 
Abdullah719 said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Why are we not not backing our players and giving them confidence?? . Firstly there was no reason not to play Abbas, I hope now that they have brought him back they back him and not drop him otherwise that’s the end of his career. Contd ...</p>— Azhar Mahmood (@AzharMahmood11) <a href="https://twitter.com/AzharMahmood11/status/1200431096535625729?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 29, 2019</a></blockquote>
<script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script><blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">We know that Australian players are strong on the back foot, hence we needed to bowl fuller lengths... But this also comes from giving them confidence. What’s with the panic button why do they keep chopping and changing players.</p>— Azhar Mahmood (@AzharMahmood11) <a href="https://twitter.com/AzharMahmood11/status/1200432623761444871?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">November 29, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Waqar Mafia was vilifying Azhar mehmood after every bad performance. Now they seem to have gone quite.
 
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