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Who doesn't he have a problem with?

Notable spats he's had:

vs Wasim Akram

vs Shahid Afridi

vs Ahmed Shehzad

vs Mohammed Amir

vs Umar Akmal

vs Kamran Akmal

Any others you can think of?

The next will be Haris Rauf, or Haider Ali.

Anyone with a bit of flair.
 
Waqar Younis:

2006 - 2007 - bowling coach

2009 - bowling coach

2010 - 2011 - head coach

2014 - 2016 - head coach

2019 - current - bowling coach

How many stints does he need to tell us he’s not coaching material?

It’s not a surprise why Australia Cricket Board rejected him
 
All snakey characters have an issue with Waqar Younis. Move on.
 
Waqar Younis:

2006 - 2007 - bowling coach

2009 - bowling coach

2010 - 2011 - head coach

2014 - 2016 - head coach

2019 - current - bowling coach

How many stints does he need to tell us he’s not coaching material?

It’s not a surprise why Australia Cricket Board rejected him

Many stints as a coach.
Please list out some notable/significant achievements under him.
 
When you are arguing that a person has issues with the world, you examples shouldn't include the Akmals, Shehzad and Afridi of all people.
 
hes a very average coach to put it mildly, but when u play for pak you have to respect the position not the person.

amir just throwing his toys out the pram cos he not being allowed to use the pak team to further his amibtions as a journeyman pro in diff second rate leagues.

its obvious he wants to move to England, gain residence and gain eligibility for IPL.
 
Waqar Younis:

2006 - 2007 - bowling coach

2009 - bowling coach

2010 - 2011 - head coach

2014 - 2016 - head coach

2019 - current - bowling coach

How many stints does he need to tell us he’s not coaching material?

It’s not a surprise why Australia Cricket Board rejected him

Brilliant post. PCB simply assume a former great player will be a great coach. I don't know how many coaching gigs Waqar needs for them to realise he doesn't have the man management skills, gameplanning ability or understanding of the modern game.
 
Horrible head coach but he’s done very well with the current crop of bowlers in increasing their skill repertoire. Maybe he should have focused on bowling to begin with.

Secondly, anyone who thinks he had a problem with Umar Akmal, Mohammad Amir, and Ahmed Shehzad just because they had “flair” is grossly misinformed about the swathe of issues those players have historically brought and continue to bring for the national team.

Overall, definitely not the best of characters and not one of my favorites, but it’s always easy to pile on people during moments like this spat with Amir and go missing when Shaheen, Rauf, Hasnain, and Naseem all go on air commending Waqar’s help with their seam position, runups, inswing, oustswing with the new ball, yorkers, and more.

Examine the names in that original post for a second and tell me you yourself wouldn’t have had spats with half of them. Umar Akmal, Kamran Akmal, Amir’s attitude these days — I would for sure!
 
Amir has his faults and I have discussed them to great lengths over here.
However, make no mistake, Waqar younis is also a terrible man manager on top of being a very average bowling coach.
He has this habit of finishing talking terms with a player he has a disagreement with, instead of using communication to sort out differences.
 
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The examples that OP included all can have their own vs the world threads except Akram perhaps. If anything it actually shows Waqar in a good light.
 
Only in Pakistan can a TTF coach like Waqar Younis be appointed over and over.
 
Don't think he could have done better with Umar Akmal, Shehzad and Kamran.
But he definitely lacks the diplomacy and communication skills to deal with others.
How Wahab Riaz dealt with his criticism was a testament to Wahab's character.
 
Who doesn't he have a problem with?

Notable spats he's had:

vs Wasim Akram

vs Shahid Afridi

vs Ahmed Shehzad

vs Mohammed Amir

vs Umar Akmal

vs Kamran Akmal

Any others you can think of?

The next will be Haris Rauf, or Haider Ali.

Anyone with a bit of flair.

Other names I can think of.
Abdul Razzaq
Rana Naveed
Mohammad Yousuf
 
The examples that OP included all can have their own vs the world threads except Akram perhaps. If anything it actually shows Waqar in a good light.

Wasim isn't seen a very good person in eyes of many.
Wasim has always passed over the offer to coach Pakistan for media work or something else.
 
Waqar Younis:

2006 - 2007 - bowling coach

2009 - bowling coach

2010 - 2011 - head coach

2014 - 2016 - head coach

2019 - current - bowling coach

How many stints does he need to tell us he’s not coaching material?

It’s not a surprise why Australia Cricket Board rejected him

PCB is the only employer in the world that would rehire the same person 5 times in spite of failing every single time in multiple roles.

Does the professional and competent Wasim Khan know that Waqar has already had 4 stints and didn’t deliver?
 
Jatt nal clash kr de?

Always trust Wikki because he is true of heart.
 
Who doesn't he have a problem with?

Notable spats he's had:

vs Wasim Akram

vs Shahid Afridi

vs Ahmed Shehzad

vs Mohammed Amir

vs Umar Akmal

vs Kamran Akmal

Any others you can think of?

The next will be Haris Rauf, or Haider Ali.

Anyone with a bit of flair.

Half of these guys had a run-in with Micky Aurthur too.

Apart from Wasim Akram everyone in the list is a slacker, they want excuses to avoid training, Waqar is a hard task master he would let them continue with their excuses forever. He calls them out for what they are and these guys get offended.

P.S.
Umar Akmal has had problems with a traffic constable, Micky Aurthur, Waqar Younis, PCB's fitness trainer (where he pulled his pants down).

Ahmed Shehzad has anger issues too, one incident that i can recall is when Shehzad had broken a window in the dressing room.

Guys like Shehzad and Akmal have anger issue and it's definitely not FLAIR, and As far as Amir goes he BELIEVES that cricket owes his something, which isn't true at all.
 
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I’ve said it before, but I was horrified when I chatted to him at the Adelaide Test last year.

He had forgotten details of his own career and had absolutely no idea that Imran Khan and Musa Khan had been useless in the current QEA season.

You shouldn’t ever meet your heroes. I just concluded that he was a man of low intelligence who does no preparation or homework.
 
Who doesn't he have a problem with?

Notable spats he's had:

vs Wasim Akram

vs Shahid Afridi

vs Ahmed Shehzad

vs Mohammed Amir

vs Umar Akmal

vs Kamran Akmal

Any others you can think of?

The next will be Haris Rauf, or Haider Ali.

Anyone with a bit of flair.

It’s not Waqar..but the players you mentioned- they all have big egos. Wasim is not exactly an angel- but had ATG talent at least. Shahzad? Akmal’s? These are the same guys you predicted to be ATG supaaaa stars- they’re all egotistic.
 
Shoaib had massive issue with Waqar back in the day.

It was mostly due to jealously. Shoaib’s emergence took the spotlight away from waqar and he was rapidly becoming irrelevant and was regularly sitting out for him until he became the captain in 2001.

Shoaib became a superstar in Pakistan not long after Waqar got thrashed by Jadeja in the 96 QF and then got slapped in the face by a Pakistani fan on the flight home.
 
It was mostly due to jealously. Shoaib’s emergence took the spotlight away from waqar and he was rapidly becoming irrelevant and was regularly sitting out for him until he became the captain in 2001.

Shoaib became a superstar in Pakistan not long after Waqar got thrashed by Jadeja in the 96 QF and then got slapped in the face by a Pakistani fan on the flight home.

What?? wow

It seems a lot of crazy stuff has happened in our cricket history. As someone who has just recently started watching cricket after the first PSL, I feel like i need to read a book or watch a documentary on Pakistan cricket.
 
Oh yes Shoaib Akhtar too.

It's nice to see [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] agree with me on something after
 
Waqar Younis:

2006 - 2007 - bowling coach

2009 - bowling coach

2010 - 2011 - head coach

2014 - 2016 - head coach

2019 - current - bowling coach

How many stints does he need to tell us he’s not coaching material?

It’s not a surprise why Australia Cricket Board rejected him

Waqar has had a longer coaching career than he had a playing one.
 
What?? wow

It seems a lot of crazy stuff has happened in our cricket history. As someone who has just recently started watching cricket after the first PSL, I feel like i need to read a book or watch a documentary on Pakistan cricket.

Heard this a lot back then. Could be a myth as well. Speaking of myths, the most famous myth among Pakistani cricket fans in the 90s was that Hitler executed the German cricket team after they lost a match and that is why they don’t play cricket.
 
It was mostly due to jealously. Shoaib’s emergence took the spotlight away from waqar and he was rapidly becoming irrelevant and was regularly sitting out for him until he became the captain in 2001.

Shoaib became a superstar in Pakistan not long after Waqar got thrashed by Jadeja in the 96 QF and then got slapped in the face by a Pakistani fan on the flight home.

Shoaib has had issues with Bob Woolmer, Inzi, Asif, Intikhab Alam and Afridi as well.

None of Pakistani cricketers have been saints and are not going to be but they need to keep their egos in check when playing for PCT.
 
Who doesn't he have a problem with?

Notable spats he's had:

vs Wasim Akram

vs Shahid Afridi

vs Ahmed Shehzad

vs Mohammed Amir

vs Umar Akmal

vs Kamran Akmal

Any others you can think of?

The next will be Haris Rauf, or Haider Ali.

Anyone with a bit of flair.

So he has had the spat against the most rotten cricketers in Pak cricket. Sounds like he is doing it right
 
Heard this a lot back then. Could be a myth as well. Speaking of myths, the most famous myth among Pakistani cricket fans in the 90s was that Hitler executed the German cricket team after they lost a match and that is why they don’t play cricket.

Jayasuria had springs in his bats too.
 
So he has had the spat against the most rotten cricketers in Pak cricket. Sounds like he is doing it right

I had the same reaction! When the biggest saint in the names mentioned is Shahid Afridi, you know something is off.
 
Don't understand how only Waqar Younis is to blame for this, when the head coach is equally culpable in this 'mental torture'

From what I've seen though, Amir does have a penchant for drama and self pity. Before he was thriving on that 'oh the world was unfair to me, I was a teenager who was led astray by my captain.' Now after all the rehabilitation it seems he has nowhere to go with the excuses.

Remember that Nadia Khan show where he was so smiffed by the question about spot fixing, and cricketers only getting paid when they perform well. I know stupid question and rightly shut up by Amir, but if you watch the whole show this guy kept taunting Nadia Khan whenever she made a comment about his past. I mean the guy does not really take criticism well. He seemed to have a very fragile ego and back then it reflected poorly on him since he went through a whole rehabilitation process. It doesn't look good on a guy trying to make a comeback to his team but whining incessantly when he should be creating awareness and talking about how he won't be making the same mistakes again.
 
The sense of entitlement that this guy has, having always received special favors and being the name on the team despite having no performances. There was a time he went wicketless for a very long time in tests and still managed to be the first name on the team sheet. This bias and high prestige is only given to players from a special background. I dont think everyone can get this sort of preferential treatment. The first time this guy starts to get criticized in his life and he retires. 👏
 
Who doesn't he have a problem with?

Notable spats he's had:

vs Wasim Akram

vs Shahid Afridi

vs Ahmed Shehzad

vs Mohammed Amir

vs Umar Akmal

vs Kamran Akmal

Any others you can think of?

The next will be Haris Rauf, or Haider Ali.

Anyone with a bit of flair.


The worst one, IMO, was with Shahid Afridi.

Waqar was hell bent to support and shove Imran Farhat in the playing squad while Afridi wanted to keep him on the bench.

This kinda reeks not only incompetency on Waqar but also dishonesty with his work.

Waqar has been arrogant and has horrible interpersonal skills. He does not understand the concept effectively using carrots with a stick. And he is not really a likeable person in the camp.

As you can probably guess that Mickey or Bob Woolmer, for example, were pretty easily approachable even though they spoke a different language but Waqar on the other hand acts as if he is God.

As Mamoon rightly said above, PCB is perhaps the only employer in the world who would hire a person the 5th time after his four failed stints. Unbelievable!
 
Who doesn't he have a problem with?

Notable spats he's had:

vs Wasim Akram

vs Shahid Afridi

vs Ahmed Shehzad

vs Mohammed Amir

vs Umar Akmal

vs Kamran Akmal

Any others you can think of?

The next will be Haris Rauf, or Haider Ali.

Anyone with a bit of flair.

Razzaq and Shoaib
 
Don't understand how only Waqar Younis is to blame for this, when the head coach is equally culpable in this 'mental torture'

From what I've seen though, Amir does have a penchant for drama and self pity. Before he was thriving on that 'oh the world was unfair to me, I was a teenager who was led astray by my captain.' Now after all the rehabilitation it seems he has nowhere to go with the excuses.

Remember that Nadia Khan show where he was so smiffed by the question about spot fixing, and cricketers only getting paid when they perform well. I know stupid question and rightly shut up by Amir, but if you watch the whole show this guy kept taunting Nadia Khan whenever she made a comment about his past. I mean the guy does not really take criticism well. He seemed to have a very fragile ego and back then it reflected poorly on him since he went through a whole rehabilitation process. It doesn't look good on a guy trying to make a comeback to his team but whining incessantly when he should be creating awareness and talking about how he won't be making the same mistakes again.

Almost all of your opinions on Amir are agreed upon; however, Waqar's recent statement where he poorly handled a question and said that "Amir retired from Test cricket, not because of work load", was uncalled for.

You are publicly calling Amir a liar without any evidence. How stupid can it get?
Amir then retaliated (as he is equally poor in expressing himself by choosing the wrong words), and it escalated to what we see now.

Poor interpersonal skills, poor communication skills, lack of educational background and simply not a well rounded professional to handle all kinds of situation at the office - both Waqar and Amir (and many others in the PCB/Pak team, have this in common).

You talked about Amir on Nadia Khan show, compare it with how Pujara, or Rohit, or Ashwin, etc present themselves on their talk shows? They wisely use weighted words in a diplomatic manner. Yes, they have their own crazies too (Raina, and Gambhir etc), but the way many Indian players handle press and media is exemplary. It doesn't hurt to learn a thing or two from your rivals.

I remember watching a Pakistani talk show where the host asked Wahab Riaz on how he plans to learn from the coach to improve his future bowling performance? (He had been recently battered in a lost series)
Guess what Wahab said, "Coach ki mein itnee parwah nahi karta, meri jo apni marzi hoti hai mein wo karta hoon"
Nothing personal against Wahab, but how idiotic is this reply on a public forum?

But anyway,
IMO, it will be unfair to blame one side only here.

The writing on the wall was clear and we all saw that Amir didn't have a whole lot left to offer.

With the white ball, may be he did have a few last flashes in the pan, but I think that wasn't enough to expect that he was gonna set the world on fire.

So on one hand, he had this classical trait of many Pak cricketers where lack of educational background results in poor interpersonal and communication skills. He wasn't wise enough with this words on how to express himself and how to handle the situation after being dropped.


And on the other hand, Waqar (and perhaps Misbah) poorly managed the situation.
Amir should've been taken into confidence and they should've offered him a "graceful exit", which almost NEVER happens with a Pak player.

So whatever is happening between the two parties, is not really unexpected.
 
Shoaib and Razzaq were not Snakey

Lol, Shoaib and Razzaq are as much snakes and untrustworthy as all of the names in that list. This isn’t about having ‘flair’, it’s more about having personality and ego disorders that lead to groups forming and backbiting etc. This is very common in Pakistani/Asian cricketers in general.

Waqar isn’t perfect and I don’t like him as a coach but he doesn’t come across someone who knows how to deal with snakes. Wasim Akram did, he is liked and well respected by snakes
 
Waqar Younis as a bowler and as a coach are two different people.

He should not be anywhere near coaching any team in Pakistan at any level. As a captain he was equally pathetic.
 
I dont understand why we need to keep on reappointing waqar.
He is oblivious to modern methods of strength and conditioning, bowler rotation and is poor in assessing bowlers technically.
A guy like Shoaib in spite of his mercurial personality is 100 times better and more knowledgeable in this department.
 
It was mostly due to jealously. Shoaib’s emergence took the spotlight away from waqar and he was rapidly becoming irrelevant and was regularly sitting out for him until he became the captain in 2001.

Shoaib became a superstar in Pakistan not long after Waqar got thrashed by Jadeja in the 96 QF and then got slapped in the face by a Pakistani fan on the flight home.

Wasim replacing Waqar with Shoaib in the 1999 World Cup probably haunts Waqar a lot more than that Jadeja assault. It's true that Wasim was trying to sabotage his career but Shoaib/Razzaq/Mahmood were better bowlers at that point or atleast added more all round value with their batting and Waqar's ego could never really digest that I guess. Hes known to hold grudges.
 
You just have to look at some of the names in the opening post and ask yourself, who didn't they have spats with.
 
Wasim replacing Waqar with Shoaib in the 1999 World Cup probably haunts Waqar a lot more than that Jadeja assault. It's true that Wasim was trying to sabotage his career but Shoaib/Razzaq/Mahmood were better bowlers at that point or atleast added more all round value with their batting and Waqar's ego could never really digest that I guess. Hes known to hold grudges.

Waqar by the start of January 1999 onwards was badly struggling for rhythm, form, he had lost a significant amount of pace and was also quite heavy. Him being dropped from the team was inevitable and Shoaib grabbed the opportunity with both hands and never looked back
 
Waqar by the start of January 1999 onwards was badly struggling for rhythm, form, he had lost a significant amount of pace and was also quite heavy. Him being dropped from the team was inevitable and Shoaib grabbed the opportunity with both hands and never looked back

He was all of what you said, but he wasn't heavy at all. He was always extremely fit and durable, even after losing losing his strength and armspeed.
 
Wasim replacing Waqar with Shoaib in the 1999 World Cup probably haunts Waqar a lot more than that Jadeja assault. It's true that Wasim was trying to sabotage his career but Shoaib/Razzaq/Mahmood were better bowlers at that point or atleast added more all round value with their batting and Waqar's ego could never really digest that I guess. Hes known to hold grudges.

Waqar averaged 25.41 after 1999 in ODIs (2000-2003)
Wasim averaged 23.42 after 1999 in ODIs.

Both almost played similar games : Wasim 52, and Waqar 46. Wasim and Waqar both averaged 29 in tests after 1999. So even though Wasim was supposedly superior in terms of economy, the wicket taking ability for both bowlers was still pretty good. And I dont think Razzaq and Mahmood were superior to Waqar even after his decline.
 
My apologies. Waqar played around 87 games compared go Wasim who played 73 games from 1999 onwards
 
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He was all of what you said, but he wasn't heavy at all. He was always extremely fit and durable, even after losing losing his strength and armspeed.

Waqar was pretty heavy on the tour to India in 1999. He then got dropped and had to go back to the drawing board because Shoaib was in red hot form and Waqar didn't have a prayer of getting back in the team.

He then joined the U-19 camp, A tour camp and a bowling camp being organized by Sarfaraz Nawaz who worked with him and go him to shed off his excess kilos, body fat and helped him get back to some respectable rhythm.
 
If someone is not having problems with Akmal brothers, then there is surely something wrong with him.
 
So what is it about Waqar that keeps getting him this job? It can’t be sheer incompetency by the board although that is obviously one of the reasons
 
Blatant racism on national television by Akram. "Pooran nazar nahi aata toh uska naam kahan se nazar aayega".

Waqar making fun of serious diseases

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Blatant racism on national television by Akram. "Pooran nazar nahi aata toh uska naam kahan se nazar aayega".

Waqar making fun of serious diseases

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Nothing short of surprising. He's an obnoxious individual.
 
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Blatant racism on national television by Akram. "Pooran nazar nahi aata toh uska naam kahan se nazar aayega".

Waqar making fun of serious diseases

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Didn't hear what Wasim said but what Waqar said yesterday shocked me. How come the producer didn't call him out on it? To jokingly suggest that the piece of paper the Scotland captain was carrying was because he had health condition is very poor.
 
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Imagine having to share a dressing room under Wasim and Waqar as your senior players

They come across as bullies. No wonder Shoaib always takes digs at them
 
while i disagree with waqar's views, the players that have probelm with Waqar are the trouble makers and fixers.


Shaheen Afridi praises Waqar, so thats that.
 
Blatant racism on national television by Akram. "Pooran nazar nahi aata toh uska naam kahan se nazar aayega".

Waqar making fun of serious diseases

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if it was regarding his color than thats poor, but i dont think Waqar was talking about color. Maybe regarding him not shwoing up to the ground or being small.

Anyways, any jokes on Westindies players, people look for issues to create
 
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Blatant racism on national television by Akram. "Pooran nazar nahi aata toh uska naam kahan se nazar aayega".

Waqar making fun of serious diseases

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Pooran is Indo Caribbean.

He is lighter than the panelists and one of the lightest in the Windies.

Don't fall for Indian theatrics brother. There is nothing racist here. It was a comment on his slight build and height.
 
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I think he is a patriotic and honest guy who tries his best and comes across as someone who is want to do the best even though he may not have the right skills to implement them. He has his faults, but they are not that heinous than some others in Pak Cricket history.
Whatever anyone says, I think Waqar is a legend who wants to make Pakistan the best team but he doesn't know how to.
 
Blatant racism on national television by Akram. "Pooran nazar nahi aata toh uska naam kahan se nazar aayega".

Waqar making fun of serious diseases

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Misbah is a such top guy! Tried his best to avoid getting into the stupid exchange.
 
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These Pakistan player panel pregame show are a complete torture salute to people who watch it
 
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