Was Danish Kaneria treated fairly by the PCB?

[MenInG]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1210959692794671106

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So we had the likes of Mohammad Amir not only allowed back into international cricket but also accepted in the side as if nothing had happened. Even Salman Butt and Mohammad Asif got to play with domestic sides and Butt is also part of a PSL side. All of them, bar Amir, initially refused to accept their guilt but changed under pressure.

And in more recent times, Sharjeel Khan has been allowed back and is all set to play for Karachi Kings in next PSL. So was Kaneria unfairly singled out? If so why?

 

[King-Misbah]

Danish Kaneria was banned by the ECB for match fixing. It would be rather foolish for PCB to allow him to feature in any form of cricket. It would spoil the relationship between PCB and ECB. Tbh, Kaneria is responsible for his own demise. He was earning a decent amount with Essex but he sold the county out for some money. He would have been an Essex legend now if he did not dwell on the wrong path.

 

[Sher Khan]

He wasnt treated unfairly by the PCB. ECB was the one that laid the charges against him. Him accepting his guilt earlier may have perhaps helped him play domestic cricket in Pakistan.

 

[trickyone]

PCB can't really do anything here, ECB banned him so he should be crying to them instead of PCB...

 

[BreadPakoda]

It’s true that Danish was not welcomed back to cricket with open arms like Amir, Sharjeel, and other fixers. However two wrongs don’t make a right.

In this regard, I respect Hafeez and Azhar for taking a stand against fixers.

 

[pakistanisgreat]

He was fairly treated by PCB. He himself to blame for anything.

he was also treated fairly while he was playing as being a Non muslim he played 60 odd test matches. he would not play that many games if someone was against his religion.

 

[FreePalestine]

I voted to say that he was ‘unfairly singled out’. However, I am convinced partially by some of the opposite points of view above... Whereas others got to play domestic cricket, Kaneria’s case was completely left adrift. However, two wrongs do not make a right. We should generally not allow fixers back into the domestic game... Amir was the only exception I was willing to accept, and I don’t really have strong rational reasons for that exception.

 

[Slog]

I think PCB was in a bind. Kaneria was banned by ECB and that translates to all official cricket which PCB had to abide to. The spot fixing were allowed back after their bans were over. Similarly sharjeel was dealt by pcb.

 

[cricketjoshila]

How can there be two types of punishment for the same crime?

ICC is to be blamed.

On one hand players fixing in international games are back playing.

While another player fixing in county is banned for life.

Kaneria or Sreesanth etc were hard done because they were lesser players, less privileged.

ICC should lay down the rules for punishment.

 

[Nadeem98]

To ensure fair treatment he should name the culprits right now and put it on PCB . Unfortunately though, he wants Akhtar to name them. Imagine the fallacy dripping off this whole narrative. He wants Akhtar to name the people who supposedly discriminated against him. What a joker!!!!!

 

[Slim]

To ensure fair treatment he should name the culprits right now and put it on PCB . Unfortunately though, he wants Akhtar to name them. Imagine the fallacy dripping off this whole narrative. He wants Akhtar to name the people who supposedly discriminated against him. What a joker!!!!!

Hahaha spot on, screams fake to me.

 

[Waleed93]

He was initially banned by the ECB, not the PCB.

As mentionned by many other posters, he has only himself to blame for his state.

Despite being a Hindu, he had already played over 60 Tests, even though he was a mediocre bowler overall, averaging 35 in the only format he used to play.

Inzamam even tried his best to give him a chance in ODIs, where he inevitably flopped. The PCB and the Pakistani team both gave him a longer rope than he actually deserved given his capabilities. They could have even given him a second chance after his fixing scandal, just like they gave one to Amir, but the fact was that he was not banned by the PCB.

Giving him a second chance would have put the PCB in trouble.

 

[Ronaldo7]

How can there be two types of punishment for the same crime?

ICC is to be blamed.

On one hand players fixing in international games are back playing.

While another player fixing in county is banned for life.

Kaneria or Sreesanth etc were hard done because they were lesser players, less privileged.

ICC should lay down the rules for punishment.

Lol. Don't try to play whatever card you're trying to play.

A murder also results in two types of punishments (In the SC):
Life imprisonment or the death sentence

Why?

Because there are a lot of factors that are taken into account. How many people were killed, was it intentional etc. etc.

Likewise for spot-fixing a lot of things are taken into consideration which is why Amir was banned for 5 years while Asif was banned for 7 and Salman was banned for 10.

This isn't a conspiracy against Kaneria lol

 

[MenInG]

PCB needs to stop sitting on the fence now and say something official.

 

[Captain caveman]

How can there be two types of punishment for the same crime?

ICC is to be blamed.

On one hand players fixing in international games are back playing.

While another player fixing in county is banned for life.

Kaneria or Sreesanth etc were hard done because they were lesser players, less privileged.

ICC should lay down the rules for punishment.

Ecb allegedy claimed danish was an organiser of fixing allegedy.
Whereas, amir and co were participants paid to fix a game allegedy and not organisers of cricket fixes.
Danish's allegeded crime is therefore a greater crime and is why he received a greater punishment i.e. life ban, i believe, allegedy.
Hence NOT the same crimes!

 

[sshakir411]

Kaneria faced the same bias other minorities in Pakistan face. There's enough out there on regional bias in Pakistan Cricket and how that plays a part. Being a Hindu obv didn't help but Kaneria got enough chances in test cricket and was rightfully dropped for not being able to perform. The last game I remember of Kaneria was when he got hammered for like 12 4s by Lara in 3 overs? Fact is he was making a good enough living post Pakistan test team for Essex and dropped the ball when he got caught fixing. Since then he might've been unfairly treated but you can't blame the PCB for not supporting you if you got caught fixing after 2010.

 

[PakLFC]

Not sure what Danni wants the PCB to do. He made his bed, accepted cheating after initially repeatedly denying all charges of doing so. The PCB should have supported him in playing domestic Cricket in Pak if they've not done so already. Keeping in mind the treatment of Asif, Butt and Amir received from the PCB their could be a religious angle to it as well.

 

[MenInG]

KARACHI:
The Sindh High Court has upheld the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) ban on cricketer Danish Kaneria.

The right-arm leg spinner faces lifetime ban after being found involved in spot-fixing the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB),

Kaneria, who played for the Pakistan national side from 2000 to 2010, has moved the court seeking permission to play domestic and league cricket. A bench headed by Chief Justice Sindh High Court Justice Ahmed Ali Sheikh rejected the application of former cricketer.

The petitioner’s counsel had argued that Kaneria should be allowed to join the PCB rehabilitation programme. “My client did not commit spot-fixing. He just got a meeting held between the players and the match fixers, to which he has already confessed,” the counsel said.

He pointed out that players who were actually the spot fixers have been allowed to play but Kaneria is not being given permission. Domestic matches and coaching should be allowed, the counsel contended.

The PCB’s counsel had argued that Kaneria had been banned by the English County Club.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2338622/shc-upholds-pcb-ban-on-danish-kaneria

 

[Savak]

Let's face it, the only reason Kaneria is not approaching the ECB and the English judicial system is because he knows he has burnt all his bridges with them. He knows the ECB for starters will demand he repay $500,000 in legal costs (which he does not have) and only then will they think about showing some compassion towards him. He is well and truly screwed, he played his cards wrong from the beginning with some very dumb decision making

 

[MenInG]

New Delhi: Former Pakistan leg-spinner, Danish Kaneria, said on Friday he is feeling “humiliated” and “dejected” after the Sindh High Court rejected his appeal seeking directions to the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) to include him in their rehabilitation programme for players found guilty of corruption.

Kaneria was banned for life by the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) in 2012 for his involvement in spot-fixing attempts in county cricket in 2009. The PCB then ratified the ECB life-ban on Kaneria the same year and also banned him from all cricket activities in the country. Also Read - Cricketer Abid Ali Begins Rehabilitation After Undergoing Angioplasty

Kaneria wanted the Sindh court to direct the PCB to allow him to undergo “rehabilitation programme”, so that he could return to the sport in the capacity of coach. Also Read - Virat Kohli Needs to Focus on His Game, Rather Than Inciting Controversies: Danish Kaneria

A positive outcome on January 12 would have helped the 41-year-old Kaneria to pursue coaching roles in domestic and international tournaments without the fear of the PCB stopping him if he landed a job.

“I am feeling dejected, heartbroken and disappointed with this judgment. I don’t know how I will earn my bread and butter now. I appeal for my livelihood. I was not sure that my case has been dismissed like this. It’s been almost a year and now I appeal for humanity… when many got a reprieve in the same case, why not me (sic),” Kaneria told to IANS on Friday.

“Respected judges have given the verdict. I don’t know on what ground they have made this decision, but it’s really heartbroken for me. I requested almost everyone to let me free, but don’t know who and what stops them (sic).

“I just wanted them to give me a second chance, so I can again start my career, earn for livelihood but my all efforts went up in smoke. It’s been 10 years now. And I am still serving the (ECB) ban. Many cricketers who did the same thing are roaming free and doing their work, but I am still running pillar to post for justice (sic),” a veteran of 61 Tests told to IANS.

Asked, if anyone was to blame for his bad phase in life, the 41-year-old said, “I don’t want to blame anyone. I believe in God, but yes in Pakistan nobody wants to hear my points. PCB is not doing anything for me. I am a citizen of Pakistan, have given so many years to Pak cricket. I feel very bad about myself when I think about PCB. Why they are not supporting me, reason only they know. I made a request for a reprieve on humanitarian grounds, but it has been rejected. I think this is an outrageous, illegal, and inhuman approach. I am feeling totally devastated now.”

Kaneria, who is quite vocal on the social media platforms, wrote an emotional message on Koo to the panel that heard his petition.

“The honourable and most respected Panel of Sindh High Court has rejected my appeal. My plea was on humanitarian ground as my sole source of income has vastly been affected. I’ve served Pakistan with due utmost honesty and I’m sad and disappointed to know that my plea to undergo the rehab program has been quashed. I am human all got second chance why not me is that because I am different,” the former Pakistan leg-spinner wrote.

https://www.india.com/sports/i-feel...neria-after-sindh-high-court-verdict-5186462/

 

[Savak]

New Delhi: Former Pakistan leg-spinner, Danish Kaneria, said on Friday he is feeling “humiliated” and “dejected” after the Sindh High Court rejected his appeal seeking directions to the Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) to include him in their rehabilitation programme for players found guilty of corruption.

Kaneria was banned for life by the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB) in 2012 for his involvement in spot-fixing attempts in county cricket in 2009. The PCB then ratified the ECB life-ban on Kaneria the same year and also banned him from all cricket activities in the country. Also Read - Cricketer Abid Ali Begins Rehabilitation After Undergoing Angioplasty

Kaneria wanted the Sindh court to direct the PCB to allow him to undergo “rehabilitation programme”, so that he could return to the sport in the capacity of coach. Also Read - Virat Kohli Needs to Focus on His Game, Rather Than Inciting Controversies: Danish Kaneria

A positive outcome on January 12 would have helped the 41-year-old Kaneria to pursue coaching roles in domestic and international tournaments without the fear of the PCB stopping him if he landed a job.

“I am feeling dejected, heartbroken and disappointed with this judgment. I don’t know how I will earn my bread and butter now. I appeal for my livelihood. I was not sure that my case has been dismissed like this. It’s been almost a year and now I appeal for humanity… when many got a reprieve in the same case, why not me (sic),” Kaneria told to IANS on Friday.

“Respected judges have given the verdict. I don’t know on what ground they have made this decision, but it’s really heartbroken for me. I requested almost everyone to let me free, but don’t know who and what stops them (sic).

“I just wanted them to give me a second chance, so I can again start my career, earn for livelihood but my all efforts went up in smoke. It’s been 10 years now. And I am still serving the (ECB) ban. Many cricketers who did the same thing are roaming free and doing their work, but I am still running pillar to post for justice (sic),” a veteran of 61 Tests told to IANS.

Asked, if anyone was to blame for his bad phase in life, the 41-year-old said, “I don’t want to blame anyone. I believe in God, but yes in Pakistan nobody wants to hear my points. PCB is not doing anything for me. I am a citizen of Pakistan, have given so many years to Pak cricket. I feel very bad about myself when I think about PCB. Why they are not supporting me, reason only they know. I made a request for a reprieve on humanitarian grounds, but it has been rejected. I think this is an outrageous, illegal, and inhuman approach. I am feeling totally devastated now.”

Kaneria, who is quite vocal on the social media platforms, wrote an emotional message on Koo to the panel that heard his petition.

“The honourable and most respected Panel of Sindh High Court has rejected my appeal. My plea was on humanitarian ground as my sole source of income has vastly been affected. I’ve served Pakistan with due utmost honesty and I’m sad and disappointed to know that my plea to undergo the rehab program has been quashed. I am human all got second chance why not me is that because I am different,” the former Pakistan leg-spinner wrote.

https://www.india.com/sports/i-feel...neria-after-sindh-high-court-verdict-5186462/

Is it very hard for Kaneria to understand that he needs to approach the ECB? They are the ones who banned him and if they decide to lift his ban, only then will the PCB follow suite. Deep down he knows if he approaches the ECB, they will hold him to ransom ie reimburse them the 325,000 pounds in legal and court fees in exchange for lifting the ban and allowing him to coach for his livelihood, where is he going to find the 325,000 pounds from?

He is well and truly screwed

 

[Babeikh]

Another person who allowed greed and corruption to destroy his career.

Was not treated harshly. Got what he deserved.

 

[shaz619]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1210959692794671106

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So we had the likes of Mohammad Amir not only allowed back into international cricket but also accepted in the side as if nothing had happened. Even Salman Butt and Mohammad Asif got to play with domestic sides and Butt is also part of a PSL side. All of them, bar Amir, initially refused to accept their guilt but changed under pressure.

And in more recent times, Sharjeel Khan has been allowed back and is all set to play for Karachi Kings in next PSL. So was Kaneria unfairly singled out? If so why?

Kaneria had a great career despite being treated unfairly by big teeth Kamran Akmal. Think about the sort of dressing room Kaneria plated under to. I would bash Kami every day if I was Kaneria, his energies would be much better utilised.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Danish Kaneria not looking happy.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1738611647391162774

 

[MenInG]

Danish Kaneria not looking happy.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1738611647391162774

A few things

Also I do not believe PCB tweeted this

The image was done by Rashid Latif in a tweet who obviously, does not represent PCB
India media as usual jumping on to this

 

[Hextro]

Danish Kaneria not looking happy.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1738611647391162774

This guy has found an audience among low-IQ trolls. I know he didn't receive a formal education but it's not hard to understand that the list is based on bowling averages, not total wickets.

Guys like Kaneria are a disgrace. The fixer shouldn't have gotten the opportunities he did.

 

[Bewal Express]

He fixed Matches like Butt etc and deserved a life ban. Absolute loser

 

[MenInG]

His IQ was never one to talk about but lately has gone from bad to worse.

 

[gazza619]

I don’t think it is right to insult players based on IQ level. A lot of these guys come from very humble backgrounds and perhaps lacked nutrition when they were growing.

Kaneria made mistake so did many other people.

Unfortunately Kaneria was treated differently.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

His IQ was never one to talk about but lately has gone from bad to worse.

Heard he's already got his desired sponsored visa in US, where he'll emigrate. I guess the condition of his sponsorship was to continue to bash Pakistan Cricket throughout.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I don’t think it is right to insult players based on IQ level. A lot of these guys come from very humble backgrounds and perhaps lacked nutrition when they were growing.

Kaneria made mistake so did many other people.

Unfortunately Kaneria was treated differently.

Quite difficult for PCB to have done something when he got a life ban from ECB (with their prosecution and everything). Had PCB not banned him, it would have looked worse on them and would have seemed like a board that tolerates having fixers. Bringing back Amir didn't do them many favors and Amir shouldn't have been given the prima donna treatment.

 

[MenInG]

Heard he's already got his desired sponsored visa in US, where he'll emigrate. I guess the condition of his sponsorship was to continue to bash Pakistan Cricket throughout.

He has a criminal record?

From US Gov site:

Arrest, Caution, Conviction

In cases where an arrest resulted in a conviction, you may be permanently ineligible to receive a visa and will require a waiver ineligibility to travel to the United States. The Rehabilitation of Offenders Act does not apply to United States visa law.

But am sure India has no such laws.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

He has a criminal record?

From US Gov site:

Arrest, Caution, Conviction

In cases where an arrest resulted in a conviction, you may be permanently ineligible to receive a visa and will require a waiver ineligibility to travel to the United States. The Rehabilitation of Offenders Act does not apply to United States visa law.

But am sure India has no such laws.

No idea how much of a life ban counts as criminal record and how strong his visa sponsors are to get him a waiver. Even Amir has obtained or is going to obtain UK citizenship despite being a juvenile offender there.

 

[MenInG]

No idea how much of a life ban counts as criminal record and how strong his visa sponsors are to get him a waiver. Even Amir has obtained or is going to obtain UK citizenship despite being a juvenile offender there.

Unless Kaneria has lied, there is a simple question on the form which asks if you have ever been convicted.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

Unless Kaneria has lied, there is a simple question on the form which asks if you have ever been convicted.

Can't say how valid the report is about him having obtained a US visa. Just stating what I read on twitter some time back when Sohaib Maqsood-Kaneria tweet exchange took place. There is also a chance he could have applied for asylum.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

This guy wants to be in lime light somehow but never get any attention.

He is now losing some remaining respect by giving such statements.

 

[Major]

I don’t think it is right to insult players based on IQ level. A lot of these guys come from very humble backgrounds and perhaps lacked nutrition when they were growing.

Kaneria made mistake so did many other people.

Unfortunately Kaneria was treated differently.

no he was not treated differently.

Kaneria was not banned by PCB. Kaneria was banned by England, and ICC states that if one board bans a cricketer for fixing, than all boards need to oblige that ban.

Thankfully, England gave him a lifetime ban which is why he could had not return. He could had reduce that lifetime ban had he admitted what he did.

PCB has nothing to do with Kaneria's ban and PCB could had done nothing about it.

Kaneria should be picking fights with ECB not PCB. Either Kaneria knows this, or he truly has a low IQ. Because ever since video content has got famous, Kaneria created a niche for himself where he claims he got mistreated by PCB by using the Hindu Victim card. India media and Indian fans view and spread his videos the most, and this has given Kaneria an income.

Indians who talk rubbish about Aamir for fixing wont do so against Kaneria and use him as a reference because he spreads hate and uses the Hindu victim card.

 

[Ball Blazer]

Danish opens up on his Pakistani citizenship:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1974359203407147118

 

[ElRaja]

danish, like many others, needed guidance and mentorship when he was young, both tehcnically, and mentally. being a red ball leg spinner is a lonely enough path as it is, but to be a minority in pakistan would only compound that. i do not excuse the mistakes danish made, but in a country where so many get bailed out for much worse (salman butt and amir both coming back into the cricket world after selling out pakistan), there is no way you cannot smell the air of discrimination in the ostrasiation danish faced.

as a cricketer im pretty sure his life wasnt much different, he was a talented bowler whose lack of consistency may be better understood through the insecurity that constantly looking over your shoulder brings. despite being pakistans premier red ball spinner for a good few years, he never imposed himself like a test bowler should, were the insecurities intrinsic or extrinsic, in reality it was probably both. having kami behind the stumps certainly didnt help. its a well known fact leg spinners, more than others, need a lot of love and confidence to perform, and danish's career seemed like a fight, a fight for control and consistency on the pitch and off it.

 

[Savak]

danish, like many others, needed guidance and mentorship when he was young, both tehcnically, and mentally. being a red ball leg spinner is a lonely enough path as it is, but to be a minority in pakistan would only compound that. i do not excuse the mistakes danish made, but in a country where so many get bailed out for much worse (salman butt and amir both coming back into the cricket world after selling out pakistan), there is no way you cannot smell the air of discrimination in the ostrasiation danish faced.

as a cricketer im pretty sure his life wasnt much different, he was a talented bowler whose lack of consistency may be better understood through the insecurity that constantly looking over your shoulder brings. despite being pakistans premier red ball spinner for a good few years, he never imposed himself like a test bowler should, were the insecurities intrinsic or extrinsic, in reality it was probably both. having kami behind the stumps certainly didnt help. its a well known fact leg spinners, more than others, need a lot of love and confidence to perform, and danish's career seemed like a fight, a fight for control and consistency on the pitch and off it.

Kanerias fault he did not own up and admit to his corruption at the right time in 2010-2012. The PCB administrations back then kept telling him many times that the first step towards them being able to help him in some capacity was for him to admit to his wrongdoing and to express remorse. The ECB took the same position but Kaneria kept aggressively vouching for his innocence and took on all stakeholders and wasted his life savings in the process. There were a lot of people who believed him and helped him in the process ie Rashid Latif and a few other senior sports journalists.

Then in 2018 Kaneria gives an interview on Al Jazeera where he finally admits his guilt and that he refused to confess early on out of fear of shaming his father. He didn't get the help, sympathy that he expected and then proceeded to further play the I am hated, discriminated because of being a Hindu card.

He was never discriminated because of being a Hindu. He would not have played 60 plus test matches for Pakistan if that was the case. Inzamam as captain dropped his friend Mushtaq Ahmed at the time and backed Kaneria.

 

[Ball Blazer]

Kanerias fault he did not own up and admit to his corruption at the right time in 2010-2012. The PCB administrations back then kept telling him many times that the first step towards them being able to help him in some capacity was for him to admit to his wrongdoing and to express remorse. The ECB took the same position but Kaneria kept aggressively vouching for his innocence and took on all stakeholders and wasted his life savings in the process. There were a lot of people who believed him and helped him in the process ie Rashid Latif and a few other senior sports journalists.

Then in 2018 Kaneria gives an interview on Al Jazeera where he finally admits his guilt and that he refused to confess early on out of fear of shaming his father. He didn't get the help, sympathy that he expected and then proceeded to further play the I am hated, discriminated because of being a Hindu card.

He was never discriminated because of being a Hindu. He would not have played 60 plus test matches for Pakistan if that was the case. Inzamam as captain dropped his friend Mushtaq Ahmed at the time and backed Kaneria.

now he can keep on crying and seek sympathy from neighbor country

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

danish, like many others, needed guidance and mentorship when he was young, both tehcnically, and mentally. being a red ball leg spinner is a lonely enough path as it is, but to be a minority in pakistan would only compound that. i do not excuse the mistakes danish made, but in a country where so many get bailed out for much worse (salman butt and amir both coming back into the cricket world after selling out pakistan), there is no way you cannot smell the air of discrimination in the ostrasiation danish faced.

as a cricketer im pretty sure his life wasnt much different, he was a talented bowler whose lack of consistency may be better understood through the insecurity that constantly looking over your shoulder brings. despite being pakistans premier red ball spinner for a good few years, he never imposed himself like a test bowler should, were the insecurities intrinsic or extrinsic, in reality it was probably both. having kami behind the stumps certainly didnt help. its a well known fact leg spinners, more than others, need a lot of love and confidence to perform, and danish's career seemed like a fight, a fight for control and consistency on the pitch and off it.

I have some sympathy for him as well. He took alot of wickets on pitches that weren't exactly the most helpful for spinners. He was a proper workhorse and bowled long spells on flat Pakistani pitches as the sole spinner in that test side. The fact that he is Pakistan's most successful test spinner is nothing to scoff at.

It's a shame he missed out on that UAE era because he would have enjoyed bowling on those pitches and could have very well ended up with 400+ test wickets. In the end ofcourse he only has himself to blame for what he did but knowing his background, where he came from and how hard he worked to get where he got, you do feel some sympathy for him. Especially when, as you pointed out, you look at how Pakistan welcomed back Amir and Butt

 

[NishanKonar]

Think both things could be true

1. He wasted his potential & ended up fixing games & jeopardised his career & reputation

2. He did face issues bcoz he was Hindu. Remember he played in peak tableeghi era when cricketers like Inzimam & Saeed Anwar were openly trying to court foreign cricketers like Lara & Harbhajan to convert to Islam. So I actually believe he faced some pressure within the dressing room from his fellow players to change his religion

Its now a case of his words vs others. So difficult to get to the bottom of it

 

[Justcrazy]

It’s true that Danish was not welcomed back to cricket with open arms like Amir, Sharjeel, and other fixers. However two wrongs don’t make a right.

In this regard, I respect Hafeez and Azhar for taking a stand against fixers.

Hafeez played with Amir.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

I have some sympathy for him as well. He took alot of wickets on pitches that weren't exactly the most helpful for spinners. He was a proper workhorse and bowled long spells on flat Pakistani pitches as the sole spinner in that test side. The fact that he is Pakistan's most successful test spinner is nothing to scoff at.

It's a shame he missed out on that UAE era because he would have enjoyed bowling on those pitches and could have very well ended up with 400+ test wickets. In the end ofcourse he only has himself to blame for what he did but knowing his background, where he came from and how hard he worked to get where he got, you do feel some sympathy for him. Especially when, as you pointed out, you look at how Pakistan welcomed back Amir and Butt

He was in no way a better spinner in Asia than Yasir or Ajmal. If anything, his economy rate of 3+ was too much for your main spinner. He was a better bowler than Yasir in SNA though.

 

[BunnyRabbit]

danish, like many others, needed guidance and mentorship when he was young, both tehcnically, and mentally. being a red ball leg spinner is a lonely enough path as it is, but to be a minority in pakistan would only compound that. i do not excuse the mistakes danish made, but in a country where so many get bailed out for much worse (salman butt and amir both coming back into the cricket world after selling out pakistan), there is no way you cannot smell the air of discrimination in the ostrasiation danish faced.

as a cricketer im pretty sure his life wasnt much different, he was a talented bowler whose lack of consistency may be better understood through the insecurity that constantly looking over your shoulder brings. despite being pakistans premier red ball spinner for a good few years, he never imposed himself like a test bowler should, were the insecurities intrinsic or extrinsic, in reality it was probably both. having kami behind the stumps certainly didnt help. its a well known fact leg spinners, more than others, need a lot of love and confidence to perform, and danish's career seemed like a fight, a fight for control and consistency on the pitch and off it.

No sympathy for any of the fixers be it Amir, Asif, Butt, Malik or Kaneria.
He was 28 years old when he was caught fixing. A 28 year old is old enough to know right from wrong and its consequences.

 

[Rafale Nidhal Fan]

How can there be two types of punishment for the same crime?

ICC is to be blamed.

On one hand players fixing in international games are back playing.

While another player fixing in county is banned for life.

Kaneria or Sreesanth etc were hard done because they were lesser players, less privileged.

ICC should lay down the rules for punishment.

Why are you asking ICC to lay these rules..... shouldn't BCCI be doing that and remove the racist cast system entirely on which the country is being established on. ICC got nothing to do with that.

On topic regarding Kaneria, he kept denying until 6 years passed by....he expect to be treated with the same level of punishment and closure as Amir Asif Butt who confessed and cooperated.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

danish, like many others, needed guidance and mentorship when he was young, both tehcnically, and mentally. being a red ball leg spinner is a lonely enough path as it is, but to be a minority in pakistan would only compound that. i do not excuse the mistakes danish made, but in a country where so many get bailed out for much worse (salman butt and amir both coming back into the cricket world after selling out pakistan), there is no way you cannot smell the air of discrimination in the ostrasiation danish faced.

as a cricketer im pretty sure his life wasnt much different, he was a talented bowler whose lack of consistency may be better understood through the insecurity that constantly looking over your shoulder brings. despite being pakistans premier red ball spinner for a good few years, he never imposed himself like a test bowler should, were the insecurities intrinsic or extrinsic, in reality it was probably both. having kami behind the stumps certainly didnt help. its a well known fact leg spinners, more than others, need a lot of love and confidence to perform, and danish's career seemed like a fight, a fight for control and consistency on the pitch and off it.

I don't think he was discriminated against post fixing. The PCB hands were tied.

But as a Hindu he must have felt like an outsider in every dressing he's ever been in. It is tough being an outsider at times even in a non religious and understanding environment like the UK. Can only imagine how it would be in Pakistan.

Someone should give him a role as a minority officer in cricket to make sure his opinions are heard and any lessons can be implemented. He doesn't need to have any power. And yes he has made some outrageous statements in the past but the PCB has given roles to crazy ex players in the past.

It is criminal that there is no more cricketers form a minority background. Let's work with Kaneria and others and understand why, and perhaps the PCB can run events targeted at minorities, like here the ECB have started to target the South Asian community.

 

[Hitman]

Not one, I REPEAT, not one Indian minority player has said anything about being mistreated by the BCCI or his team mates. And therein lies the difference. Such things happen in Pakistan, not in India.

We honoured and made a hero out of Mohammad Azharuddin, and he repaid our faith by fixing matches and selling out his country.​

 

[gazza619]

To be honest Kaneria did not get the same support as other match fixers like Salman Butt & M Amir.

But then again Salman & Amir accepted their guilt and worked with the PCB. Whilst Kaneria maintained his innocence.

I don’t think this has anything to do with religion.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Not one, I REPEAT, not one Indian minority player has said anything about being mistreated by the BCCI or his team mates. And therein lies the difference. Such things happen in Pakistan, not in India.

We honoured and made a hero out of Mohammad Azharuddin, and he repaid our faith by fixing matches and selling out his country.​

Minority job isn't too repay your faith lmao they are your equals in the country. They can do good and do bad just as anybody does.

What a tone deaf post, by attempting to take the moral high ground you have exposed your own differing set of standards between players.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

To be honest Kaneria did not get the same support as other match fixers like Salman Butt & M Amir.

But then again Salman & Amir accepted their guilt and worked with the PCB. Whilst Kaneria maintained his innocence.

I don’t think this has anything to do with religion.

Kaneria mistake was he was caught in non Pakistani colours. Had he been caught in a Pakistani shirt he would have been able to leverage someone somewhere and got a reduced ban.

But he was banned by ECB at a time when Pakistans image was very low. It would have undermined Pakistans credibility unbanning him.

Tbh it probably looks bad on ECB too, although Amir wasn't banned by them they did welcome him back happily to their shores.

Kaneria is right to feel a little agreived overall but yes I agree I don't think it's down to his religion.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Kaneria never accepted his mistake... Did he?? Because I have not seen any such thing.. Please share if he did..

He is another talk show guy who needs indian visa I guess or maybe he wants some role in Indian influenced setup...Money talks here.

 

[Rajdeep]

Kaneria was treated differently compared to other fixers like Amir, Butt, Sharjeel etc because he was a Hindu.

Anyone says otherwise, is clearly lying.

I mean when country's COAS openly says 'Hindus are different than us', this is state sponsored discrimination which to be fair is expected from a country like Pakistan.

 

[Bewal Express]

Kaneria was treated differently compared to other fixers like Amir, Butt, Sharjeel etc because he was a Hindu.

Anyone says otherwise, is clearly lying.

I mean when country's COAS openly says 'Hindus are different than us', this is state sponsored discrimination which to be fair is expected from a country like Pakistan.

Really? Who banned him?

 

[Rajdeep]

Really? Who banned him?

That is the not the point though. PCB went out of his way to get back Amir into the side for example. Gave multiple platforms to Salman Butt - to play in domestics, stint in commentary etc. In Kaneria's case, they didnt even made any attempt to help him in any form or shape. As I said, only a fool would think there was no bias against Kaneria.

 

[Bewal Express]

That is the not the point though. PCB went out of his way to get back Amir into the side for example. Gave multiple platforms to Salman Butt - to play in domestics, stint in commentary etc. In Kaneria's case, they didnt even made any attempt to help him in any form or shape. As I said, only a fool would think there was no bias against Kaneria.

Butt has connections and Amir was young. Look at which school Butt went to. Danish like the others got greedy and destroyed his legacy. His behaviour, like the others was a betrayal of PK.

 

[sweep_shot]

I am surprised how blatantly Danish is attacking Pakistan while bootlicking India.

Can you imagine if a minority was supporting Pakistan in India? He would probably get lynched by the radical sanghis.

Danish seems like an attention-seeker.

 

[TheSultan]

Why is anyone giving any time to this ungrateful and corrupt individual?

 

[TheSultan]

That is the not the point though. PCB went out of his way to get back Amir into the side for example. Gave multiple platforms to Salman Butt - to play in domestics, stint in commentary etc. In Kaneria's case, they didnt even made any attempt to help him in any form or shape. As I said, only a fool would think there was no bias against Kaneria.

Noones gonna go out of their way to bring back a finished cricketer. Maybe if Danish was 10 years younger.

Honestly - such dumb logic

 

[sweep_shot]

Noones gonna go out of their way to bring back a finished cricketer. Maybe if Danish was 10 years younger.

Honestly - such dumb logic

Rajdeep wants Hindu quota. LOL.

Players should be selected based on merits. Not quotas.

 

[TheSultan]

Kaneria was treated differently compared to other fixers like Amir, Butt, Sharjeel etc because he was a Hindu.

Anyone says otherwise, is clearly lying.

I mean when country's COAS openly says 'Hindus are different than us', this is state sponsored discrimination which to be fair is expected from a country like Pakistan.

We don’t need to prove anything about how we treat Hindus or Christians.

Danish isn’t discriminated against because of his religion, he’s not treated well because he’s corrupt, dishonest and has a big mouth. If you feel otherwise I’d prefer if you just give him Indian Citizenship and take him if you love him so much

 

[Rajdeep]

Noones gonna go out of their way to bring back a finished cricketer. Maybe if Danish was 10 years younger.

Honestly - such dumb logic

Were likes of Salman Butt allowed to use PCB training facility, play in domestic, sit on TV studios, stint in commentary etc.?

You can try to fool as much as you want that their was no bias against Kaneria but we both know its a lie. The fact that Pak only allowed 3 non muslim cricketer in its entire cricket history, clearly shows there is a systematic bias. Imagine if the thing was similar in India...will likes of you not make noise? Ofcourse you would. Heck, Shami was not allowed to do Sajda was hyped so much.

I have an issue with lies and pretendence which is exactly what you are doing now.

 

[sweep_shot]

We don’t need to prove anything about how we treat Hindus or Christians.

Danish isn’t discriminated against because of his religion, he’s not treated well because he’s corrupt, dishonest and has a big mouth. If you feel otherwise I’d prefer if you just give him Indian Citizenship and take him if you love him so much

The fact Kaneria can attack Pakistan and bootlick India on social media shows Pakistani minorities experience better treatment than Indian minorities.

Can you imagine if an Indian minority supported Pakistan over India? These low-IQ extremist sanghis would probably go nuts.

 

[Major]

Kaneria never accepted his mistake... Did he?? Because I have not seen any such thing.. Please share if he did..

He is another talk show guy who needs indian visa I guess or maybe he wants some role in Indian influenced setup...Money talks here.

He did accept his crime

But he never had any remorse

 

[Major]

Kaneria was treated differently compared to other fixers like Amir, Butt, Sharjeel etc because he was a Hindu.

Anyone says otherwise, is clearly lying.

I mean when country's COAS openly says 'Hindus are different than us', this is state sponsored discrimination which to be fair is expected from a country like Pakistan.

Kaneria was banned by ECB, not PCB.

Amir, Butt and Asif were banned by ICC.

Sharjeel was banned by PCB

get your facts right plz

 

[Major]

That is the not the point though. PCB went out of his way to get back Amir into the side for example. Gave multiple platforms to Salman Butt - to play in domestics, stint in commentary etc. In Kaneria's case, they didnt even made any attempt to help him in any form or shape. As I said, only a fool would think there was no bias against Kaneria.

Kaneria had a life ban, Amir never had a life ban.

I dont support the return of Amir, but i am stating facts here as you are lieing your way around here

 

[Savak]

Danish Kaneria was found guilty of actively trying to recruit young English County players and connect them to bookies. If you read the ECB report, many times he would conceal spot fixing offers in the guise of a joke on the team bus and training session. Essex terminated Kanerias services and never hired him again because it was clear he was bad news. To top it off Kaneria made his case worse by refusing to accept his guilt, express remorse for his actions, and he played the racism card in the UK courts as well.

The PCB under Ijaz Butt and Najam Sethi offered many times to Kaneria to accept his guilt, offer remorse and the PCB will try to negotiate with the ECB for a reduced sentence but Kaneria refused and later on he refused to accept his guilt because he did not want to bring shame and pain to his late father.

 

[Savak]

Former Pakistan leg spinner Danish Kaneria is accused of repeatedly taunting team-mate Maurice Chambers with a banana in the dressing room and on the team bus whilst playing together at Essex.

The shocking allegations against Kaneria, who was given a life ban from English cricket in 2012 for match-fixing, are understood to feature in the long-awaited Newton Report commissioned by the club and a separate ECB investigation into historic racism at the county, which remains ongoing.

Essex appointed Katharine Newton KC to lead an independent inquiry 18 months ago after allegations of racism were made by three former players, including Chambers.

EXCLUSIVE: Danish Kaneria allegedly taunted Essex teammate with banana

MATT HUGHES: Essex appointed Katharine Newton KC to lead an independent inquiry 18 months ago after allegations of racism were made by three former players.

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Kaneria should be the last one to cry over suffering from any sort of racism or discrimination