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Was it right to drop Mohammad Hafeez from Pakistan's Independence Cup squad?

Was it right to drop Mohammad Hafeez from Pakistan's Independence Cup squad?

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Was it right to drop Mohammad Hafeez from Pakistan's Independence Cup squad?

Seemed a little harsh given that he did fairly well at the Champions Trophy and not doing too badly at the CPL also.
 
No idea how he has played 78 T20Is as a top-order batsman. Averaging 22.5 with a SR of 114. :facepalm:
 
Absolutely. While I am extremely pleased with his effort in the Champions Trophy final, it would be illogical of of any cricketing fan to expect similar performances in the future from a man on his last feet.

And anyway, the final performance came in a 50 over game, this is a T/20. You aren't supposed to play experienced pros here anyway even if they are performing! We need to test youngsters.
 
To be honest yes. Hasn't done anything of note recently in T20s. Should be kept in odis though only because of that innings in the CT final
 
How is this even a question? It was the best thing to come out of this squad announcement. That's why I said some of the omissions made me happier than some of the selections!

Well done Inzi. :salute
 
MenInG said:
Was it right to drop Mohammad Hafeez from Pakistan's Independence Cup squad?

Seemed a little harsh given that he did fairly well at the Champions Trophy and not doing too badly at the CPL also.
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Champions Trophy was a different format so should have no bearing on T20 selection.

As for the CPL, he's hardly set the tournament on fire.
 
Saj said:
Champions Trophy was a different format so should have no bearing on T20 selection.

As for the CPL, he's hardly set the tournament on fire.
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I kind of agree about the format bit but then he is in form so maybe time to take that advantage? if he succeeds he can be a good choice for SL and WI series - if not then its back to usual (no Hafeez)
 
Leo23 said:
hafeez >> shehzad so no it was a bad decision
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Shehzad's a really good domestic T20 player, much better than Hafeez. Can't take that away from him. Shehzad's terrible in international T20s, but he's likely to be an asset in domestic T20s.
 
Leo23 said:
hafeez >> shehzad so no it was a bad decision
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One bad selection doesn't justify making another bad selection.

Especially when the two play different roles.
 
Hamza_ said:
Yes, played first match vs WI.
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From memory, he was "rested" (read: dropped) for the rest of that series on the basis that they wanted a left hander (Fakhar Zaman) in the playing XI.

Incidentally that was also when half of PP in their infinite wisdom labelled Zaman a hack. :facepalm:
 
Time to move on and get a youngster in who has good bat speed and hand-eye coordination.
 
Prof should call it a day in T20s and only play ODIs. He should also look retire from ODIs by mid of 2018.
 
mak36 said:
From memory, he was "rested" (read: dropped) for the rest of that series on the basis that they wanted a left hander (Fakhar Zaman) in the playing XI.

Incidentally that was also when half of PP in their infinite wisdom labelled Zaman a hack. :facepalm:
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Yeah that was funny. First they labelled him a leg side hack then I posted a wagon wheel of his latest innings in which 90% of runs were on the off-side then they labelled him off-side hack. :))

there was also this one guy (who shall remain unnamed) who claimed that Mickey corrected all of Fakhar's technical flaws in the matter of two weeks and now he is no longer a hack :)))

PP experts are the reason I love coming to this forum and showing them their place.
 
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Syed1 said:
Yeah that was funny. First they labelled him a leg side hack then I posted a wagon wheel of his latest innings in which 90% of runs were on the off-side then they labelled him off-side hack. :))
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btw,
Hafeez being dropped is very crucial here, makes me wonder whats next since preparations are being made for the 2019 world cup and I smell some more sharp turns.
 
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Hamza_ said:
Sahibzada should've been selected.

Both Hafeez and Shehzad should be dropped
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ads101 said:
Shehzad's a really good domestic T20 player, much better than Hafeez. Can't take that away from him. Shehzad's terrible in international T20s, but he's likely to be an asset in domestic T20s.
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mak36 said:
One bad selection doesn't justify making another bad selection.

Especially when the two play different roles.
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hafeez can prove to be an asset as a late hitter

he is a clean striker of the ball and always looks good when he is looking to score from the word go

the role that he played vs india in the final should have been his for the better part of his career

i think he can do very well at number 5 or 6 in t20s and odis and much better than shehzad can at any position
 
Leo23 said:
hafeez can prove to be an asset as a late hitter

he is a clean striker of the ball and always looks good when he is looking to score from the word go

the role that he played vs india in the final should have been his for the better part of his career

i think he can do very well at number 5 or 6 in t20s and odis and much better than shehzad can at any position
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He's 36 and has 78 T20Is to his name. How much time do you think he needs to "prove" his worth? :))

Also, this is not a Hafeez v Shehzad comparison. You justified your desire for Hafeez to be included on the basis of Shehzad's selection. Yet, as I have already explained one bad selection does not justify wanting to make another bad selection. If it was left to me I would drop both.
 
He also was included in squads where he shouldn't have, just because he is a "senior player" he had a good run and now should call it a day for all the formats. He hide behind his bowling for a very long time. If he had batted 7-8 and played as a spinner providing quick 20-30 down the order, pak should have won games where he batter in top 3. I say Moeen Ali is a far batter player than him and Eng utilizing him very smartly. I wish we would have done something similar.
 
It is a good call to drop Hafeez for t20s but it would be harsh to drop him in odis because of his outstanding record in Asia (especially against Sl) and his performances in the champions trophy.
 
Plumb said:
He also was included in squads where he shouldn't have, just because he is a "senior player" he had a good run and now should call it a day for all the formats. He hide behind his bowling for a very long time. If he had batted 7-8 and played as a spinner providing quick 20-30 down the order, pak should have won games where he batter in top 3. I say Moeen Ali is a far batter player than him and Eng utilizing him very smartly. I wish we would have done something similar.
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Good comment. It's rather worrying when a top order batsman justifies his place by reference to his bowling. :facepalm:

Also, interesting comparison with Moeen.
 
Hafeez is a known quantity, we know what we are going to get out of him in t20i's. It's better to test someone else at no.4 or opening wherever he was supposed to play. But Shehzad is certainly not the answer. Umar Amin maybe, or we can even try Babar as an opener, don't think Babar will be able to survive long as a no 3 in t20s
 
Syed1 said:
Yeah that was funny. First they labelled him a leg side hack then I posted a wagon wheel of his latest innings in which 90% of runs were on the off-side then they labelled him off-side hack. :))

there was also this one guy (who shall remain unnamed) who claimed that Mickey corrected all of Fakhar's technical flaws in the matter of two weeks and now he is no longer a hack :)))

PP experts are the reason I love coming to this forum and showing them their place.
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Yes, exactly. I don't mind posters having different opinions, but it's very annoying when people rush to judge a player they have never bothered watching/researching before.

Anyone who watches domestic/PSL would have been able to tell you that Zaman is not a leg side hack. They would also be able to tell you that early in his innings he prefers looking for quick runs through rotating the strike, rather than than blasting boundaries from the off (a point he himself has made).

That is why it was a terrible idea to send him in at six in the t20s against Windies, and an even worse idea to judge him on the basis of that one innings where he was batting out of position. It beggars belief, it really does.
 
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Syed1 said:
Yeah that was funny. First they labelled him a leg side hack then I posted a wagon wheel of his latest innings in which 90% of runs were on the off-side then they labelled him off-side hack. :))

there was also this one guy (who shall remain unnamed) who claimed that Mickey corrected all of Fakhar's technical flaws in the matter of two weeks and now he is no longer a hack :)))

PP experts are the reason I love coming to this forum and showing them their place.
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Not just that; some covered it up by saying that Fakhar is a Soldier so they can give him some leeway now. :23:
 
Abdulm123 said:
It is a good call to drop Hafeez for t20s but it would be harsh to drop him in odis because of his outstanding record in Asia (especially against Sl) and his performances in the champions trophy.
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Plural? He had one good innings in the tournament (which as I have already discussed he made a slight mess of anyway).

Funny you mention SL, given his irresponsible batting nearly led to us losing against them in the CT.
 
He has a rubbish t20 record, don't understand why he hasn't been dropped earlier.
 
MenInG said:
I kind of agree about the format bit but then he is in form so maybe time to take that advantage? if he succeeds he can be a good choice for SL and WI series - if not then its back to usual (no Hafeez)
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If that is the case - then Misbah and YK should have also been playing T20's due to their Test form :13:
 
mak36 said:
Plural? He had one good innings in the tournament (which as I have already discussed he made a slight mess of anyway).

Funny you mention SL, given his irresponsible batting nearly led to us losing against them in the CT.
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What is Hafeez`s average in Asia and average outside Asia? just wondering
 
most of answers is yes but i disagree with this because after a long time we are going to play on our own soil, let him play in conditions suited best to him and make his fans happy.

If you include him in next series that will be rubbish now. You drop him let him dropped now.
 
Based on his last two innings (CT Semi Final and Final: NO
Based on building new team and his last 10 years: Yes. But that logic should also exclude Shoib Malik, Sohail Khan and replace them with younger emerging players.
 
sali said:
Based on his last two innings (CT Semi Final and Final: NO
Based on building new team and his last 10 years: Yes. But that logic should also exclude Shoib Malik, Sohail Khan and replace them with younger emerging players.
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Hafeez's record in T20Is since the start of 2014. Pathetic stuff.

Very good decision to drop him.
 
Syed1 said:
Yeah that was funny. First they labelled him a leg side hack then I posted a wagon wheel of his latest innings in which 90% of runs were on the off-side then they labelled him off-side hack. :))

there was also this one guy (who shall remain unnamed) who claimed that Mickey corrected all of Fakhar's technical flaws in the matter of two weeks and now he is no longer a hack :)))

PP experts are the reason I love coming to this forum and showing them their place.
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:)))

Whenever some renowned posters here downplay a player here on PP. you know he will do well hahaha. Fakhar , sarfaraz , azhar ali and many more.
People on this forum also calls Amir mediocre thats just hilariously laughable. :)))
 
didn't want hafeez in the CT squad, but his knock had exactly what the team needed and needs.

After that it's tempting but dangerous to want hafeez to play.
 
He doesn't deserve to be there but I would rather have him than a tuk tuk Shezzy. Hafeez even bowls a few decent overs.
 
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