Was Javagal Srinath the best fast bowler from Asia between 1995-2001?

[theAfridian]

Yeah, that period was selected to make Srinath look better but there was nothing wrong with the comparison here. Srinath's best years got compared with the worst years of Wasim and naturally they appear comparable.

I acknowledge Srinath was a good bowler, no one here doubts that but to say Srinath was the best bowler of the late 90s is just like saying Yousuf > Tendulkar from 2001-2007 or Younis Khan > Tendulkar in late 2000s-2013.

These kind of comparisons arise because of stats bullies, hence why I also rate Tendulkar above Bradman.

Lets not get carried away.

 

[Buffet]

It'd be interesting to see how their rankings measured up during that time.

Wasim rating graph looks better and Waqar's looks about the same as Srinath. Not unexpected even before looking at the ICC ratings.

 

[Buffet]

Anyway, for the most part of this period, these bowlers were not even among the top 5 in world.

 

[ahmedzee]

I dont why but this post made me laugh , lets see if someone here is bullshi*ing...

Srinath vs Pak in Test:

filtered 3 66 49 11.00 0 17 8/86 20.64 2 0 0

Ijaz vs India in Test:

Filtered 4 56 17 8.00 ) 0 - - - - 6 0 -


If you talking ODI's Srinath avg's 30 vs Pakistan which is not bad for a bowler who plays most of his games on those flat wickets.

They were talking about ODIs ..... you are free to assume it is a BS and laugh all you can. Fact is Srinath was humbled in the 90s by Pak (though by no means he was a bad bowler). Prasad on the other hand, though weak against other oppositions, managed to do well against Pak.

 

[ahmedzee]

Srinath played just three test matches versus Pakistan and averaged 20 in those three matches, taking two five wicket hauls (including an 8/86) in three tests. Hardly looks like a bowler who could be smacked all around. In any case that smacking all around strategy was a failure for Pakistan as seen by his averages.

If they were talking of ODIs, Srinath wasn't anything exceptional in ODIs but you cannot plan these kind of strategies against ODI bowlers because of bowler's quota of 10 overs. Bowlers would be taken off attack from time to time whether they are leaking runs or not. Blocking a bowler deliberately to give the opposing captain a false sense of security could be a bad strategy in ODIs.

Yup they were talking about ODIs. Forgot to add that in my post earlier.

 

[Atif]

No


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[Square Drive]

Of course he was.

And the best from the 2000s was Rudra Pratap Singh.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Happy birthday to Srinath bhai who is also now a very respected match refree.

Severely underrated cricketer who much like Kapil shouldered the burden of Indian fast bowling for so many years with little support at the other end.

 

[MP2011]

Huge fan of Srinath. Loved his determination. Too bad it had to end the way it did in the final of WC '03.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Huge fan of Srinath. Loved his determination. Too bad it had to end the way it did in the final of WC '03.

Wish it had happened. Srinath, Kumble, Ganguly, Dravid would all be world cup winners. So deserving.

But damn that Aussie team was in a different league.

The number of times they bailed themselves out in that tournament from mediocre positions is crazy, almost as if they were bluffing like pure sadists.

That Indian team would have crushed many world cup winning XIs

 

[Third_Umpire]

As someone who probably watched every game of cricket in this time period, I nearly choked on my own vomit and died after reading the title of this thread.

 

[Slog]

I can just say lol

 

[MP2011]

That Indian team would have crushed many world cup winning XIs

I agree. They would've probably defeated both WC '15 and WC '19 winning teams. But that WC '03 (and WC '07) Australian team was something else.

 

[ishtiaq_ctg]

I agree. They would've probably defeated both WC '15 and WC '19 winning teams. But that WC '03 (and WC '07) Australian team was something else.

07 Australian side probably had the greatest batting lineup of all time. 03 side actually missed two regulars in Shane Warne & Jason Gillespie and yet they were so ahead of everyone else. 03 India were unlucky to have come up against that great Aussie side. India in that worldcup were really hot and beat everyone else quite easily. Only lost to Australia in that worldcup.

 

[Ab Fan]

Good performance during this period. In 36 tests, he had 9-fers. Thats excellent.

Zaheer was more skillful and better overseas but Srinath with new bowl was devastating.

 

[MMHS]

May not be for that long period, but from PAK series of 1998 to WSC 2000, he was indeed among best fast bowlers in world including the WC of 1999. I think, Srinath was really underrated by even Indian for most part of his career. He was arguably the best new ball pacer of 2000 WSC, a tournament where some of the ATGs were playing and he was bowling to the two finalists of 1999 WC. Srinath’s problem was old ball - he used to be spanked around often for that entertaining length in his second & third spells. I often have seen him conceding more in last 3 overs than in his first seven.

Can anyone tell his nick name?

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Threads like this one are absurd.

He did an excellent job for India and bowled his heart out.

He was similar to Chaminda Vaas.

 

[MP2011]

India in that worldcup were really hot and beat everyone else quite easily. Only lost to Australia in that worldcup.

We lost 2 games in that WC, both against Australia.

At one stage during the finals of WC'03, we were probably ahead of Aussies as per DLS and had rain arrived at that time and washed out the rest of the game, we might have been victors which would've been a shame as that Aussie team was so far ahead of us in every facet of the game.

 

[Uzi]

Srinath was a great bowler. Probably in my top 5 ATG bowlers.

 

[therealAB]

Srinath was a great bowler. Probably in my top 5 ATG bowlers.

Whhatt
Could name 50
Pollock
Donald
Walsh
Ambrose
McGrath
Wasim
Waqar
Bishop

Very clearly ahead from his own generation
Gillespie and Gough are also certainly better than him


Was a good bowler in this period though, potentially 2nd in Asia, clearly below Akram
Might be above Waqar though which is strange considering Waqar had a much better career

 

[Bhaijaan]

Whhatt
Could name 50
Pollock
Donald
Walsh
Ambrose
McGrath
Wasim
Waqar
Bishop

Very clearly ahead from his own generation
Gillespie and Gough are also certainly better than him


Was a good bowler in this period though, potentially 2nd in Asia, clearly below Akram
Might be above Waqar though which is strange considering Waqar had a much better career

OP is only.pointing out his peak figures compared to other AsianBloc Pacers..Sri had a good run for a while but as you can see even at his peak he was great rather than spectacular which the others bowlers were at their respective peaks.

Overall, a respectable career.

 

[sweep_shot]

Is this a joke thread?

Wasim Akram was the best fast bowler from Asia.

 

[Ab Fan]

How about 2007-2011 for a comparison? A period when Zaheer Khan was truly the best fast bowler in Asia,btw exactly similar stats to Srinath between '95-'01.

 

[Bhaijaan]

How about 2007-2011 for a comparison? A period when Zaheer Khan was truly the best fast bowler in Asia,btw exactly similar stats to Srinath between '95-'01.

Typical.

Indian bowlers peak often matches with low points of opponents. But we need a peak where our fast bowlers take like 250 wickets in 4 years run.

 

[tyron_woodley]

i would even go as far as saying srinath would have been easily as good as wasim had he played alongside a capable support bowler like wasim did with waqar. Put Gillespie next to javagal or someone of that Ilk and those numbers would be a fair bit lower.

You all would be shocked at how good a player can be with the right support cast which is needed to be a great bowler. Great bowlers always not sometimes, ALWAYS hunt in pairs.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Whhatt
Could name 50
Pollock
Donald
Walsh
Ambrose
McGrath
Wasim
Waqar
Bishop

Very clearly ahead from his own generation
Gillespie and Gough are also certainly better than him


Was a good bowler in this period though, potentially 2nd in Asia, clearly below Akram
Might be above Waqar though which is strange considering Waqar had a much better career

literally all of those bowlers had a great support cast and first change bowlers. srinath had NO ONE. Javagal would be as good as any of them if not better with a similar set of support cast players to complement him. These underlying issues never gets factored into the debate about who is the best bowler.

Hadlee for all we know could actually be the greatest of all time. He carried the team single handedly.

 

[Bhaijaan]

i would even go as far as saying srinath would have been easily as good as wasim had he played alongside a capable support bowler like wasim did with waqar. Put Gillespie next to javagal or someone of that Ilk and those numbers would be a fair bit lower.

You all would be shocked at how good a player can be with the right support cast which is needed to be a great bowler. Great bowlers always not sometimes, ALWAYS hunt in pairs.

This is always my argument for Kapil and Srinath who were a lot better than what their numbers suggest.

Ironically it is the Pakistani ex cricketers who rate both Kapil and Srinath very high from what I have seen..

Shoaib Akhtar also said about Srinath in Bol Wasim YouTube channel. He said he watched Srinath up-close and he was right up there among the greatest if his time and called him a daler bowler.

 

[Bhaijaan]

literally all of those bowlers had a great support cast and first change bowlers. srinath had NO ONE. Javagal would be as good as any of them if not better with a similar set of support cast players to complement him. These underlying issues never gets factored into the debate about who is the best bowler.

Hadlee for all we know could actually be the greatest of all time. He carried the team single handedly.

Wonder how many of those bowlers have outperformed Srinath in India/sub continent

 

[Sidilicious]

Srinath was a great bowler. Probably in my top 5 ATG bowlers.

He aint in my top 50. He aint even in my greatest Indian ODI XI

 

[therealAB]

literally all of those bowlers had a great support cast and first change bowlers. srinath had NO ONE. Javagal would be as good as any of them if not better with a similar set of support cast players to complement him. These underlying issues never gets factored into the debate about who is the best bowler.

Hadlee for all we know could actually be the greatest of all time. He carried the team single handedly.

While I agree that makes a slight difference, not to the point that bowler was averages literally 30% better. Great bowlers like Hadlee and Murali managed to out up brilliant statistics and are contenders in the Marshall/McGrath class in their own right, with Hadlee for me being the 3rd greatest of all time
There is a slight difference but not a 9 run average difference between McGrath/Ambrose and him, especially considering that the team bowling averages, excluding these bowlers would only be 2/3 runs lower for Aus/WI than for India

 

[therealAB]

OP is only.pointing out his peak figures compared to other AsianBloc Pacers..Sri had a good run for a while but as you can see even at his peak he was great rather than spectacular which the others bowlers were at their respective peaks.

Overall, a respectable career.

Agree with your point completely, but the poster was clearly saying he rated him top 5 ever

 

[Bhaijaan]

Agree with your point completely, but the poster was clearly saying he rated him top 5 ever

That was an exaggeration. If he meant his favorites fair point to him because Azhar bhai belongs in my favorites but he's below many.

 

[tyron_woodley]

While I agree that makes a slight difference, not to the point that bowler was averages literally 30% better. Great bowlers like Hadlee and Murali managed to out up brilliant statistics and are contenders in the Marshall/McGrath class in their own right, with Hadlee for me being the 3rd greatest of all time
There is a slight difference but not a 9 run average difference between McGrath/Ambrose and him, especially considering that the team bowling averages, excluding these bowlers would only be 2/3 runs lower for Aus/WI than for India

maybe. But I definitely feel srinath would average under 25 comfortably with a great support cast bowler like shoaib for example or Gillespie etc.

kapil is another one that gets underrated and he literally got worn down to the point of total breakdown because he often carried the team single handedly.

Hadlee I agree could actually be the best ever in my opinion.

That's why I feel an ATG team which includes all 3 of India's best bowlers would make them a formidable side capable of beating anyone.

We have already seen pakistan and several other teams play with all their best bowlers but not india.

Australia would be strong given mcgrath will be alongside cummins and perhaps rhyno.

 

[Ab Fan]

maybe. But I definitely feel srinath would average under 25 comfortably with a great support cast bowler like shoaib for example or Gillespie etc.

kapil is another one that gets underrated and he literally got worn down to the point of total breakdown because he often carried the team single handedly.

Hadlee I agree could actually be the best ever in my opinion.

That's why I feel an ATG team which includes all 3 of India's best bowlers would make them a formidable side capable of beating anyone.

We have already seen pakistan and several other teams play with all their best bowlers but not india.

Australia would be strong given mcgrath will be alongside cummins and perhaps rhyno.

Indian ATG team will beat every other countries ATG teams at home and drew away.

 

[therealAB]

Indian ATG team will beat every other countries ATG teams at home and drew away.

India will not draw Aus, SA, Eng or WI away. You are kidding me

 

[therealAB]

maybe. But I definitely feel srinath would average under 25 comfortably with a great support cast bowler like shoaib for example or Gillespie etc.

kapil is another one that gets underrated and he literally got worn down to the point of total breakdown because he often carried the team single handedly.

Hadlee I agree could actually be the best ever in my opinion.

That's why I feel an ATG team which includes all 3 of India's best bowlers would make them a formidable side capable of beating anyone.

We have already seen pakistan and several other teams play with all their best bowlers but not india.

Australia would be strong given mcgrath will be alongside cummins and perhaps rhyno.

A bowlers average doesn't go down by 5 runs.
The issue with this for me is take a 25 average bowler like Walsh, and his support only averaged 2/3 runs better than Srinath's. I don't see how Srinath would average 5 less, looking at the bowler he was he just wasn't that good

 

[Ab Fan]

India will not draw Aus, SA, Eng or WI away. You are kidding me

Disagree. We will draw everywhere. It is an ATG batting lineup that can easily bat long for 5 days of international cricket. At home with Bedi, Kumble and Ashwin, we will beat everyone though.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

May not be for that long period, but from PAK series of 1998 to WSC 2000, he was indeed among best fast bowlers in world including the WC of 1999. I think, Srinath was really underrated by even Indian for most part of his career. He was arguably the best new ball pacer of 2000 WSC, a tournament where some of the ATGs were playing and he was bowling to the two finalists of 1999 WC. Srinath’s problem was old ball - he used to be spanked around often for that entertaining length in his second & third spells. I often have seen him conceding more in last 3 overs than in his first seven.

Can anyone tell his nick name?

Mysore express?

 

[Bhaijaan]

India will not draw Aus, SA, Eng or WI away. You are kidding me

South Africa and England aren't dominant home teams. I back an ATG Indian team to win/draw there.

Australia however is a fortress much like India, same with West Indies

 

[tyron_woodley]

South Africa and England aren't dominant home teams. I back an ATG Indian team to win/draw there.

Australia however is a fortress much like India, same with West Indies

imagine booomrah with kapil, shami and any one of srinath or zaheer. Individually srinath, zaheer won't seem like much but it's a sum of parts. You put all our great bowlers together and it becomes a lot stronger than you think. More than good enough to win away. At home as always, india will be a fortress.

bumrah
shami
either zaheer or srinath.
kapil as the all rounder at number 7
ashwin or jaddu or kumble any one of them as the spinner.

we have already seen waqar, shoaib and wasim together. it was largely dysfunctional away from home.

we have seen the best from Australia already with mcgrath and warne. Perhaps cummins or rhyno could come in there and make a difference.

We have seen the great saffer bowlers in tandem aka pollock, donald etc. Add steyn and yes that makes them absolutely deadly. Potentially best attack ever. However saffers always had a good bowling pair and solid first change option.

west indies have been seen in action with all 3 of their great bowlers playing together. Yes they were hard to beat.

India never did until kohli's era. Now add in the greats of the game like kapil and kumble as an all rounder to give india the balance then india become stronger tenfold especially when you factor in India's ATG batting combo.


India, australia and west indies at home are a fortress. rest are all beatable away from.home even with ATG squads.

 

[MMHS]

Mysore express?

I think, it was "Babu" - Srinath was called Babu by .... Azhar?

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I think, it was "Babu" - Srinath was called Babu by .... Azhar?

Actually you're right in that he was called Babu by team-mates. Newspapers used to refer to him as the Mysore Express from what I remember

 

[therealAB]

Disagree. We will draw everywhere. It is an ATG batting lineup that can easily bat long for 5 days of international cricket. At home with Bedi, Kumble and Ashwin, we will beat everyone though.

While it is a good batting lineup, only Kohli and Tendulkar of Indian batsmen have been particularly good in Aus. The other issue is that Aus will score 600 at 4rpo every innings, so it will be very hard for India to defend

 

[Ab Fan]

While it is a good batting lineup, only Kohli and Tendulkar of Indian batsmen have been particularly good in Aus. The other issue is that Aus will score 600 at 4rpo every innings, so it will be very hard for India to defend

You forgot Gavaskar who averages 50+ in Australia, you must also be aware of Laxman's liking towards Australia and how brilliant he had been against McGrath and Warne, both would feature in any Australian all time XI. Even Dravid once went on to win us a test match there after ATG Australian batting lineup had put almost 600 on board batting first.

Australia's best bet would be to produce bowling friendly conditions or use pink ball otherwise on the flat pitches Australia produced in last decade, we will draw test matches comfortably there. All said, Australia and Windies are the only team that has chance to win series against India among SWENA even though Indian all time batting is very strong, almost as good or slighlty below Australians.

 

[tyron_woodley]

You forgot Gavaskar who averages 50+ in Australia, you must also be aware of Laxman's liking towards Australia and how brilliant he had been against McGrath and Warne, both would feature in any Australian all time XI. Even Dravid once went on to win us a test match there after ATG Australian batting lineup had put almost 600 on board batting first.

Australia's best bet would be to produce bowling friendly conditions or use pink ball otherwise on the flat pitches Australia produced in last decade, we will draw test matches comfortably there. All said, Australia and Windies are the only team that has chance to win series against India among SWENA even though Indian all time batting is very strong, almost as good or slighlty below Australians.

I agree. Australia number 1 overall. India the strongest at home.

west indies 3rd.

India with all their best bowlers of all time playing together will make them deadly. This needs to be accounted for. You can't look at it as an individual part. It's a sum of parts.

India often always lacked balance when they travel but with a great all rounder like kapil and kumble etc, it becomes a lot harder to beat india. Shami bumrah and srinath or zaheer is a great attach. All three at their peak would be terrifying. Imagine srinath actually having proper support from the other end and for first change options.

 

[Badsha]

i would even go as far as saying srinath would have been easily as good as wasim had he played alongside a capable support bowler like wasim did with waqar. Put Gillespie next to javagal or someone of that Ilk and those numbers would be a fair bit lower.

You all would be shocked at how good a player can be with the right support cast which is needed to be a great bowler. Great bowlers always not sometimes, ALWAYS hunt in pairs.

Silly.

 

[Mueez]

Lol. He was a good bowler but not as good as Wasim/Waqar...

 

[tyron_woodley]

Lol. He was a good bowler but not as good as Wasim/Waqar...

because wasim had waqar to support him. waqar who btw has an abysmal record vs india and australia.

wasim also had shoaib to support him

srinath had NO ONE. That's the point. Out him with someone like waqar or Gillespie then his bowling averages will be a fair bit lower.

 

[DRsohail]

because wasim had waqar to support him. Waqar who btw has an abysmal record vs india and australia.

Wasim also had shoaib to support him

srinath had no one. That's the point. Out him with someone like waqar or gillespie then his bowling averages will be a fair bit lower.

how many matches waqar play against baharat??? Tests???lolz.4 tests 2 debut and two at twilight....what a garbage analysis aout the goat.

 

[DRsohail]

Srnath compared wth wqar lol.

 

[tyron_woodley]

how many matches waqar play against baharat??? Tests???lolz.4 tests 2 debut and two at twilight....what a garbage analysis aout the goat.

waqar was garbage vs india in WC and tests in his prime. the first 2 were at his absolute best. His peak years were 1990-1993 vs weak teams. As soon as batsmen started getting better he failed.

 

[tyron_woodley]

because wasim had waqar to support him. waqar who btw has an abysmal record vs india and australia.

wasim also had shoaib to support him

srinath had NO ONE. That's the point. Out him with someone like waqar or Gillespie then his bowling averages will be a fair bit lower.

waqar is the most overrated bowler I ha e ever come across. He does not warrant his legendary status at all.

 

[Buffet]

because wasim had waqar to support him. waqar who btw has an abysmal record vs india and australia.

wasim also had shoaib to support him

srinath had NO ONE. That's the point. Out him with someone like waqar or Gillespie then his bowling averages will be a fair bit lower.

Claiming that Srinath would have dominated more with better support is one thing. It's another to claim that he would have been as effective as Wasim. Skill level was different.

 

[therealAB]

You forgot Gavaskar who averages 50+ in Australia, you must also be aware of Laxman's liking towards Australia and how brilliant he had been against McGrath and Warne, both would feature in any Australian all time XI. Even Dravid once went on to win us a test match there after ATG Australian batting lineup had put almost 600 on board batting first.

Australia's best bet would be to produce bowling friendly conditions or use pink ball otherwise on the flat pitches Australia produced in last decade, we will draw test matches comfortably there. All said, Australia and Windies are the only team that has chance to win series against India among SWENA even though Indian all time batting is very strong, almost as good or slighlty below Australians.

Was unaware Laxman would be in the team, but he would be good. Gavaskar's record is hugely inflated by playing a 3rd XI during WSC

For me the key is the runscoring ability. Gilchrist, Hayden, Chappell will score extremely quickly. If we are scoring at 4rpo which they will, quite frankly India doesn't have the bowling to prevent this Ind will have to bat 2.5 days every test which will be very difficult

 

[Bhaijaan]

I agree. Australia number 1 overall. India the strongest at home.

west indies 3rd.

India with all their best bowlers of all time playing together will make them deadly. This needs to be accounted for. You can't look at it as an individual part. It's a sum of parts.

India often always lacked balance when they travel but with a great all rounder like kapil and kumble etc, it becomes a lot harder to beat india. Shami bumrah and srinath or zaheer is a great attach. All three at their peak would be terrifying. Imagine srinath actually having proper support from the other end and for first change options.

Australia is strongest at home still I reckon.. Not your best generation but still it takes a few bans for India to have an advantage.

No one smashed you as bad as Aussies in Australia

 

[tyron_woodley]

Australia is strongest at home still I reckon.. Not your best generation but still it takes a few bans for India to have an advantage.

No one smashed you as bad as Aussies in Australia

I would say India's best team is stronger at home or as string as australia at home. Australia did get beaten by England and south africa in the past at home.

overall australia should be number 1 then india or saffers.

 

[FreePalestine]

He was pretty fast during his peak, capable of hitting 95mph and more. He wasn't a low 80s bowler during the 90s.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/story/111878.html

Haha I have heard this argument before. Look, hitting 95 mph is no joke. Anyway, if a machine is telling you that Srinath and Klusener were faster than Alan Donald, then must be something wrong with the machine!

Maybe Srinath bowled a quick ball once in a while, and for all those talking about this joke, that Srinath bowled at 150 kph during wc, and not entertaining the possibility that it was an error, can you tell me what Srinath, this fast bowling demon’s, average speed was during the 1999 world cup, when he was supposedly capable of hurling 95mph rockets?

 

[Indiafan]

Haha I have heard this argument before. Look, hitting 95 mph is no joke. Anyway, if a machine is telling you that Srinath and Klusener were faster than Alan Donald, then must be something wrong with the machine!

Maybe Srinath bowled a quick ball once in a while, and for all those talking about this joke, that Srinath bowled at 150 kph during wc, and not entertaining the possibility that it was an error, can you tell me what Srinath, this fast bowling demon’s, average speed was during the 1999 world cup, when he was supposedly capable of hurling 95mph rockets?

There are multiple balls mentioned in the articles, covering many series. I know it's difficult to change one's mind when confronted with evidence, so calling it joke or impossible is the natural reaction

 

[FreePalestine]

There are multiple balls mentioned in the articles, covering many series. I know it's difficult to change one's mind when confronted with evidence, so calling it joke or impossible is the natural reaction

If a guy is bowling 83 mph consistently in a tournament, I seriously doubt his ability to bowl 95mph. So yes, I would be more likely to believe that there were errors in the speed gun, which was just introduced for the first time in those matches. Also the article claims, ‘Srinath could now claim to be the second fastest bowler in the world’, because one ball was recorded, probably erroneously, at 93 mph? What was his average speed in that tournament?

If you genuinely believe that Srinath was a faster bowler than Alan Donald, then I don’t know what to say to you, tbh!

Often people take an anomaly for the rule. I.e. if a bowler bowls 80 miles an hour for a whole game, and somehow, miraculously, manages to bowl one ball at 93 mph, would you say they are the fastest bowler in the world? Would you even call them a 90mph bowler? If that was so, then Razzaq was a 90mph bowler, even though his average speed was 83. That is a better comparison for Srinath than Shoaib Akhtar

 

[Indiafan]

If a guy is bowling 83 mph consistently in a tournament, I seriously doubt his ability to bowl 95mph. So yes, I would be more likely to believe that there were errors in the speed gun, which was just introduced for the first time in those matches. Also the article claims, ‘Srinath could now claim to be the second fastest bowler in the world’, because one ball was recorded, probably erroneously, at 93 mph? What was his average speed in that tournament?

If you genuinely believe that Srinath was a faster bowler than Alan Donald, then I don’t know what to say to you, tbh!

Often people take an anomaly for the rule. I.e. if a bowler bowls 80 miles an hour for a whole game, and somehow, miraculously, manages to bowl one ball at 93 mph, would you say they are the fastest bowler in the world? Would you even call them a 90mph bowler? If that was so, then Razzaq was a 90mph bowler, even though his average speed was 83. That is a better comparison for Srinath than Shoaib Akhtar

The article talks about his average speed in different series.

Donald was already at the fag end of his careeer and struggling with injuries by 1999. I am not saying Srinath was faster than Donald overall I am saying in 99 he was.

Just like I can say kohli was better than sachin when sachin was abkit to retire

 

[FreePalestine]

The article talks about his average speed in different series.

Donald was already at the fag end of his careeer and struggling with injuries by 1999. I am not saying Srinath was faster than Donald overall I am saying in 99 he was.

Just like I can say kohli was better than sachin when sachin was abkit to retire

No, you are mistaken. The article does not talk about average speed even once. It only mentions ‘the fastest ball’ he bowled in each of the series they mention.

 

[tyron_woodley]

No, you are mistaken. The article does not talk about average speed even once. It only mentions ‘the fastest ball’ he bowled in each of the series they mention.

donald had support from pollock, Hayward etc.

srinath had NO ONE. He had to bear the brunt of the bowling workload. Hence he had to slow down. He is more than capable of turning it up. Had he done so on a regular basis like in his early days, his career would have ended earlier.

bowling express fast is not easy. Never easy.
Most express players break down quicker than any other type of bowler.

Why do you think australia preserves starc only for certain tests and WC specifically? to preserve his speed obviously.

Brett lee was the only express pace who played a fair bit of tests. Very unusual but he had a nice easy bowling action which helped.

 

[DRsohail]

waqar was garbage vs india in wc and tests in his prime. The first 2 were at his absolute best. His peak years were 1990-1993 vs weak teams. As soon as batsmen started getting better he failed.

lolz...look who iis talking.

 

[DRsohail]

Whatever fans make of him he has 236 test wickets at 30.5....decent to say....

 

[DRsohail]

i would even go as far as saying srinath would have been easily as good as wasim had he played alongside a capable support bowler like wasim did with waqar. Put Gillespie next to javagal or someone of that Ilk and those numbers would be a fair bit lower.

You all would be shocked at how good a player can be with the right support cast which is needed to be a great bowler. Great bowlers always not sometimes, ALWAYS hunt in pairs.

no he Would have been THE BEST Fast bowler on this planet .

 

[JaDed]

He was not the best, but he always gave his best for us and never complained.

I have massive respect for him and Kumble they played in the time of fixers and never fixed and gave it their all even when bowlers were never given any importance in our structure.

 

[Last Monetarist]

You know it's an absolute car crash of a thread when you have posters claiming Srinath was quicker than Allan Donald and potentially a better bowler than Wasim Akram. I guess that's the nature of the hysterical nationalism that's pervaded certain quarters, but it's unedifying. Imbeciles the whole lot of them.

 

[tyron_woodley]

lolz...look who iis talking.

say whatever you want....waqar was highly overrated. Poor record vs Good teams. Just not good enough. That too with wasim to support him. what a fraud he is. Just like his coaching ability rofl.

If srinath had wasim to support him lol he would have propelled india to win consecutive world cup triumphs.

These fodders like waqar get way too much credit for living off wasim. Wasim made him look good.

 

[DRsohail]

say whatever you want....waqar was highly overrated. Poor record vs Good teams. Just not good enough. That too with wasim to support him. what a fraud he is. Just like his coaching ability rofl.

If srinath had wasim to support him lol he would have propelled india to win consecutive world cup triumphs.

These fodders like waqar get way too much credit for living off wasim. Wasim made him look good.

WORLD DOES NOT NOTIce some random Indan fans say.

 

[tyron_woodley]

WORLD DOES NOT NOTIce some random Indan fans say.

Neither does it notice some random Pakistan's rebuttal....

Anyway waqar is a fraud.

 

[DRsohail]

Neither does it notice some random Pakistan’s rebuttal....

Anyway waqar is a fraud.

But they do Waqar, you can spit your venom out.World will definitely notice trundler Srinath.

 

[Invincible Gujjar]

Now who is this trundler from trundler factory.These Indians are the most delusional people in this world.

 

[Ab Fan]

We have produced many legendary cricketers in our history. It's unfortunate to say that a bowler of Javagal Srinath's pedigree doesn't find a place in all-time India XI.

 

[tyron_woodley]

But they do Waqar, you can spit your venom out.World will definitely notice trundler Srinath.

rofl at trundler srinath. srinath bowled as quick as Waqar in his prime.

 

[ufcfan]

Now who is this trundler from trundler factory.These Indians are the most delusional people in this world.

You should be thinking hundred times before writing absolute rubbish as above,your beloved PM Imran Khan after watching him bowl 150ks felt he was one of the underrated bowlers,if such a great cricketer like him admits he was a genuine quick then you yourself answer this,do you think you have any knowledge about the game and players who have played it?

 

[therealAB]

We have produced many legendary cricketers in our history. It's unfortunate to say that a bowler of Javagal Srinath's pedigree doesn't find a place in all-time India XI.

U guys legit have the 7th worst bowling attack. India have many ATG bats but are suspiciously lacking with ATG bowlers

 

[Ab Fan]

U guys legit have the 7th worst bowling attack. India have many ATG bats but are suspiciously lacking with ATG bowlers

Bowling attack? Our bowling attack has been so good that a bowler of Srinath's pedigree will just find a place in top 10 for India and that is only counting since 70s.

 

[therealAB]

Bowling attack? Our bowling attack has been so good that a bowler of Srinath's pedigree will just find a place in top 10 for India and that is only counting since 70s.

You are kidding me aren't you

Aus, WI, Eng, SA, Pak all have clearly better ATG bowling lineups and NZ probably too with the incomparable sir Richard

 

[Ab Fan]

You are kidding me aren't you

Aus, WI, Eng, SA, Pak all have clearly better ATG bowling lineups and NZ probably too with the incomparable sir Richard

They have ATG attacks but we have produced very good to great bowlers as well.

Kapil, Bedi, kumble, Bumrah, Shami, Chandra, Ashwin, Zaheer, Srinath, Harbhajan. That's 10 count.

A bowler who has taken his last 150 wickets at avg of almost 25 doesn't even find a place in our top 10 bowlers. I am sure you will struggle to give 10 names for more than 5 nations.

 

[therealAB]

They have ATG attacks but we have produced very good to great bowlers as well.

Kapil, Bedi, kumble, Bumrah, Shami, Chandra, Ashwin, Zaheer, Srinath, Harbhajan. That's 10 count.

A bowler who has taken his last 150 wickets at avg of almost 25 doesn't even find a place in our top 10 bowlers. I am sure you will struggle to give 10 names for more than 5 nations.

Not more than 5 nations, but 5 nations, all of whom have at least 3 bowlers greater than India’s greatest and a much better top 10.

Take Aus for example:
Warne
Lillee
Thomson
McDermott
Gillespie
McGrath
Cummins
Johnson
Harris
ReiD

Not including Davo, Lindwall, Miller, Benaud etc as pre 1970

Or WI
Marshall
Roberts
Holding
Walsh
Ambrose
Bishop
Garner
Croft
Gibbs
Hall

SA:
Al of these since 1990
De Villiers
Pollock
Donald
Steyn
Philander
Rabada

I could go on for Pak and Eng.

When you are considering Zaheer, Singh or Shami as very good to great bowlers you are struggling

Would you agree that India has produced, at best, the 6th greatest bowling stocks throughout history