Was Mohammad Azharuddin made a pariah in Indian cricket due to being Muslim?

[Slog]

Do you think Mohammad Azharuddin was made a pariah in Indian cricket due to him being a Muslim?

 

[Slog]

In 2000, Azharuddin said he was targeted and not supported since he was Muslim and Allan Border also said in the 2010s that during their playing career Azhar had intimated to him that Azhar felt pressured and cornered as captain if Indian team due to being Muslim

 

[Mesozoic]

Discuss.

He is the president of Hyderabad Cricket association.

Try again lol.

 

[Slog]

He is the president of Hyderabad Cricket association.

Try again lol.

His reintegration is very recent after becoming a political pawn

I'm talking about for many years post his playing career

 

[Slog]

The fact is that Azharuddin went on record in 2000s to say that he was discriminated for being Muslim

 

[Slog]

Azhar’s words were

"Mainly because I belong to the minority community, I am being victimised and targeted, especially by some ex-cricketers who have a personal grudge against me."

He was then forced to take these back after pressure and threats from the rightwing

 

[Mesozoic]

Victimised and targeted lol.

He was the captain for a decade fgs. He led India in three world cups , more than any other captain. How on earth can he be called a victim?

Great timing btw [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION]

 

[big_gamer007]

The time during Azhar was playing Muslims were very powerful in Hindi belt. Most of the top notch criminals/criminal turned politicians were Muslims and even the local cadre of criminals were Muslims. These are the same people who were appeased by then regional parties and Congress and which led to rise of BJP/Hindutva now because people got fed up.

Azhar might have felt some discrimination, but during that time things were different. Eventually he was made captain and he committed a major crime (match fixing). I am happy BCCI banned him for life, but seeing he is Hyderabad cricket association chief or something and was a MP earlier it feels he got less punishment for what he did.

This thread doesn't make any sense, I think OP might be hurt by some comments by some posters in Danish Kaneria thread by Shoaib akhtar so this was opened.

However, any Indian old enough to remember 90s and early 2000s remember the power of Muslims and appeasement done to understand comparing it with today's environment is a complete joke.

 

[cricketjoshila]

From a prodigy to a csptain to playing for India till 36-37.

Before being banned from cricket due to fixing charges.

Becomes MP. Loses next elections. Goes to court to get his ban overturned. Wins the case.

Now Chief of Hyderabad Cricket.

What a victim!!!!

Nice try btw.

 

[subbu]

Do you think Mohammad Azharuddin was made a pariah in Indian cricket due to him being a Muslim?

Azhar, Jadeja and mongia all three were banned after fixing scandal... And Azhar almost end of the career at age 37 in 2000

He was captain of record number of matches at that time

And according to report Azhar influenced jadeja and mongia

 

[Slog]

Victimised and targeted lol.

He was the captain for a decade fgs. He led India in three world cups , more than any other captain. How on earth can he be called a victim?

Great timing btw [MENTION=138463]Slog[/MENTION]

This is very stupid logic lol

It’s like saying Kaneria played 50+ tests despite averaging 35 and had guaranteed place in team before he was banned by ECB so how can he be a victim?

Atleast make a better case lol

 

[Slog]

Azhar, Jadeja and mongia all three were banned after fixing scandal... And Azhar almost end of the career at age 37 in 2000

He was captain of record number of matches at that time

And according to report Azhar influenced jadeja and mongia

I’m just asking using his words

He himself alleges discrimination

Now he is simply a political pawn to get Muslim votes

 

[big_gamer007]

From a prodigy to a csptain to playing for India till 36-37.

Before being banned from cricket due to fixing charges.

Becomes MP. Loses next elections. Goes to court to get his ban overturned. Wins the case.

Now Chief of Hyderabad Cricket.

What a victim!!!!

Nice try btw.

Read my post above, if you were old enough you would remember the power of Muslims in general over hindus due to involvement in crimes and appeasement by regional parties + Congress.

A poor unknown Muslim must have faced discrimination that time no doubt, but Azhar facing discrimination seems to be a joke

 

[Slog]

Read my post above, if you were old enough you would remember the power of Muslims in general over hindus due to involvement in crimes and appeasement by regional parties + Congress.

A poor unknown Muslim must have faced discrimination that time no doubt, but Azhar facing discrimination seems to be a joke

Why would he give a statement alleging discrimination then?

 

[Mamoon]

Azharuddin was a convicted fixer and he played the victim card to gain sympathy.

Kaneria was a non-controversial player throughout his Pakistan career but was disrespected because of his religious beliefs.

The two situations are incomparable.

 

[Slog]

Azharuddin was a convicted fixer and he played the victim card to gain sympathy.

Kaneria was a non-controversial player throughout his Pakistan career but was disrespected because of his religious beliefs.

The two situations are incomparable.

Kaneria was not a convicted fixer?

And I’m using Azhar’s own statement. Not making it up.

Cases are very comparable in the sense that the respective players were cast aside upon match fixing allegations.

 

[Slog]

And to people who are saying this is due to kaneria issue. Ofcourse it is lol.

I’m just looking at a precedence from before my time and asking questions about it. And it is interesting since cases are similar in the sense that both players were regulars in the team and then thrown aside after being found guilty of fixing. Azhar at the time only said he was as victimized due to being minority and now kaneria stuff has come out.

So it’s the perfect time to revisit something which was before the time of most PPers

 

[Slog]

Azhar’s words were

"Mainly because I belong to the minority community, I am being victimised and targeted, especially by some ex-cricketers who have a personal grudge against me."

Can these words of Azhar be put in OP to give context

 

[szrana]

Azharuddin was a convicted fixer and he played the victim card to gain sympathy.

Kaneria was a non-controversial player throughout his Pakistan career but was disrespected because of his religious beliefs.

The two situations are incomparable.

Yeah, Kaneria was as innocent as they come,lol.

 

[Slim]

Have to disagree with Slog, here. Azharuddin made himself a pariah by fixing a match. No one else is responsible for it.

 

[Slim]

Azharuddin was a convicted fixer and he played the victim card to gain sympathy.

Kaneria was a non-controversial player throughout his Pakistan career but was disrespected because of his religious beliefs.

The two situations are incomparable.

Uhh, Kaneria fixed matches jbtw..

 

[Mesozoic]

This is very stupid logic lol

It’s like saying Kaneria played 50+ tests despite averaging 35 and had guaranteed place in team before he was banned by ECB so how can he be a victim?

Atleast make a better case lol

You're way too desparate now.

Kaneria was just a player. Doesn't matter if he's played 50 tests or 500 , he can still be discriminated as he has no power or hold within the team.

Can you say the same about Azhar ? The guy captained India the most in world cups. For a decade , he was the most powerful guy in the team. How on earth can he cry victim ? Lol .

P.s - You should have used a better example to troll (may be Irfan or kaif) by picking something from the archives.

 

[Slog]

Have to disagree with Slog, here. Azharuddin made himself a pariah by fixing a match. No one else is responsible for it.

But then kaneria got banned for same thing didn’t he?

 

[Slog]

You're way too desparate now.

Kaneria was just a player. Doesn't matter if he's played 50 tests or 500 , he can still be discriminated as he has no power or hold within the team.

Can you say the same about Azhar ? The guy captained India the most in world cups. For a decade , he was the most powerful guy in the team. How on earth can he cry victim ? Lol .

I’m asking the questions here about what Azhar said.

Azhar himself said he was victimized for being Muslim.

It’s not like I made something up.

Also captaincy doesn’t mean anything. Yousuf captained Pakistan even when he was Christian does that mean he became super powerful as a Christian? If yes then clearly no issues with discrimation

 

[subbu]

Kaneria was not a convicted fixer?

And I’m using Azhar’s own statement. Not making it up.

Cases are very comparable in the sense that the respective players were cast aside upon match fixing allegations.

If you are comparing

Azhar now head of a state cricket association and enjoying pension all other benefits from Bcci

And kaneria requesting aid support
Can he become head of state cricket Association?

 

[Mamoon]

Kaneria was not a convicted fixer?

And I’m using Azhar’s own statement. Not making it up.

Cases are very comparable in the sense that the respective players were cast aside upon match fixing allegations.

Yeah, Kaneria was as innocent as they come,lol.

Uhh, Kaneria fixed matches jbtw..

That is why I said he was non-controversial during his Pakistan career. He was a fixer but he was convinced after his international career was over. Hence, his situation is not comparable to Azharuddin who was convicted while he was captain of India.

 

[Hitman]

He was the captain of India from 1989 till 1996, and then again from 1998 till the 1999 World Cup. Under him INdia played the 1992, 1996 and the 1999 World Cup. He set a record of playing the maximum number of ODI matches during his career.

He himself confessed to the CBI that he fixed matches. Hansie Cronje said that Azhar introduced him to bookies. And when caught with his pants down, he shamelessly tried to play the minority card. And was rightfully criticized right, left and center for it, and then had to finally apologize for it.


That sounds like being victimized to you?

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

Azharuddin was a convicted fixer and he played the victim card to gain sympathy.

Kaneria was a non-controversial player throughout his Pakistan career but was disrespected because of his religious beliefs.

The two situations are incomparable.

Azharuddin himself revealed he felt discriminated. Now you can't say he is a lier.

You staying in Pakistan or whatever place except India has no idea about the kind of discrimination we face here in India. Especially for last 7 to 8 years, the life has been made hell by saffron goons.

All I can say, you never know when you would be lynched for stupidest reason.

However it doesn't mean there would be no discrimination in Pakistan. May be Kaneria is right. But I can't trust clown like Akhtar who never misses a chances to be in a limelight.

Right now indian media is dancing on TV debates to discuss Kaneria issue, rather than talking about scores of people who were recently murdered in Uttar Pradesh for rasing voice against CAB and NRC. You will never know about this, because biggest democracy of world has stopped the internet in India's most populated state.

Not only that, I think don't need to talk about Kashmir, the kind of oppression they are facing for decades now.

 

[Slog]

That is why I said he was non-controversial during his Pakistan career. He was a fixer but he was convinced after his international career was over. Hence, his situation is not comparable to Azharuddin who was convicted while he was captain of India.

Incorrect

He was selected for uae tests (https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/22510093/pakistan-news-misbah-ul-haq-appointed-test-captain)

But then the Essex case shot up and he had to be not allowed to join.

When the case sprang up him and Ajmal were vying for a spot in the team.

 

[King_Kohli]

Azar proved match fixer and he himself confessed and played minority card and after then

He represented as Member of Parlment.
Now he is president of Hyderabad Cricket association.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

The fact is that Azharuddin went on record in 2000s to say that he was discriminated for being Muslim

Azhar won in politics primarily by playing the victim card . He should thank his lucky stars that he gets to be the head of a state cricket association after his admission to fixing to the CBI.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Azharuddin, Zaheer khan, Mohammad Shami, Irfan Pathan, Yusuf Pathan are all pariahs. We only celebrate Sreesanth. For heavensake only this year he became HCA president much to the disgust of fans. He is being treated more than fairly.

 

[Slog]

Azar proved match fixer and he himself confessed and played minority card and after then

He represented as Member of Parlment.
Now he is president of Hyderabad Cricket association.

So if Kaneria is pressured and forced to say that he was not victimized really then all is fine and Pakistan is heaven for minorities?

 

[Mesozoic]

So if Kaneria is pressured and forced to say that he was not victimized really then all is fine and Pakistan is heaven for minorities?

That's where Shoaib Akhtar comes into the picture.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Azharuddin himself revealed he felt discriminated. Now you can't say he is a lier.

You staying in Pakistan or whatever place except India has no idea about the kind of discrimination we face here in India. Especially for last 7 to 8 years, the life has been made hell by saffron goons.

All I can say, you never know when you would be lynched for stupidest reason.

However it doesn't mean there would be no discrimination in Pakistan. May be Kaneria is right. But I can't trust clown like Akhtar who never misses a chances to be in a limelight.

Right now indian media is dancing on TV debates to discuss Kaneria issue, rather than talking about scores of people who were recently murdered in Uttar Pradesh for rasing voice against CAB and NRC. You will never know about this, because biggest democracy of world has stopped the internet in India's most populated state.

Not only that, I think don't need to talk about Kashmir, the kind of oppression they are facing for decades now.

Six Indian states account for about 70% of all illiterates in India: Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan, Andhra Pradesh (including Telangana) and West Bengal.[43] Slightly less than half of all Indian illiterates (48.12%) are in the six Hindi-speaking states of Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh, Jharkhand and Chhattisgarh.[43]

UP is officially the most violent state in India. 12% of the total violence in India is reported there. States like Bihar , UP are disgraceful states regardless of who is in power.


States like UP shutting down internet means very little.

 

[BreadPakoda]

BCCI has had a very strict policy against fixers regardless of their religion. Azhar, Jadeja, Sreesanth etc. None were allowed to return to the team.

PCB on the other hand left Kaneria on his own to fight his case and on the other hand welcomed Amir, Sharjeel, etc. with garlands.

Heck, PCB chair defended the trio by blaming English cricketers lol

 

[Slog]

That's where Shoaib Akhtar comes into the picture.

What about Allan Border then lol. He said same about Azharuddin

 

[Mesozoic]

What about Allan Border then lol. He said same about Azharuddin

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This is what border said. Tell me where is the discrimination part.

 

[Salma_T]

There will be truth to statements for sure

 

[Slog]

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This is what border said. Tell me where is the discrimination part.

He felt he faced more pressure as a Muslim and had different expectations. That’s the definition of discrimination lol. Get a dictionary

 

[HasanA]

Azharuddin was a convicted fixer and he played the victim card to gain sympathy.

Kaneria was a non-controversial player throughout his Pakistan career but was disrespected because of his religious beliefs.

The two situations are incomparable.

This is completely illogical.

Azharuddin match fixing came into foray once his INTL career ended. Kaneria match fixing came into public also once his INTL career ended. You cannot be this obtuse and say because Azharuddin was a muslim in india, Azharuddin is playing victim card but Kaneria who is Hindu in Pakistan is not. Both are parallel scenarios of the same situation. Both are playing the victim card

 

[Hitman]

He felt he faced more pressure as a Muslim and had different expectations. That’s the definition of discrimination lol. Get a dictionary

So how exactly did he become the captain if he was discriminated?

 

[jnaveen1980]

He felt he faced more pressure as a Muslim and had different expectations. That’s the definition of discrimination lol. Get a dictionary

India has several muslim players playing for India over the years. Couple of them even captaining them. This guy would not have captained that long if he was facing discrimination. Despite sucking balls in back to back tours of Australia and SA he was retained. in SA he dropped two of the simple dollies in the same innings. Even 5 year old could catch that. He was one of the best fielder in the world back then. india gave him benefit of doubt. Then he was allowed to have his way with pitch preparation in India. For the net 3 or 4 years he and wadekar produced minefields to suit Kumble's bowling. Until he was caught for match fixing he was having a free wild ride. Even now he is enjoying popularity. This *** for tat thread is not going anywhere lol What Akhtar said was "They didn't even eat with him". Are you telling people refused to eat with him?

 

[HasanA]

He felt he faced more pressure as a Muslim and had different expectations. That’s the definition of discrimination lol. Get a dictionary

I think you need the dictionary because that is not the definition of discrimination. Alan Border is talking about Azharuddin captaining a hindu majority nation's national cricket team as a minority Muslim which adds pressure not because he is being discriminated against..

It is true that TODAY if someone like Azharuddin was in the Indian playing setup he would never be captain due to the Hindutva rebellion and he wouldnt even be in the team itself

 

[silentkiller187]

That is why I said he was non-controversial during his Pakistan career. He was a fixer but he was convinced after his international career was over. Hence, his situation is not comparable to Azharuddin who was convicted while he was captain of India.

How are we to know he did not fix while playing for Pakistan, he just may not have been caught until he came to the UK.

 

[Mesozoic]

He felt he faced more pressure as a Muslim and had different expectations. That’s the definition of discrimination lol. Get a dictionary

What !!!!

Please replace your dictionary.

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

Six Indian states account for about 70% of all illiterates in India: Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, Madhya Pradesh, Rajasthan, Andhra Pradesh (including Telangana) and West Bengal.[43] Slightly less than half of all Indian illiterates (48.12%) are in the six Hindi-speaking states of Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, Rajasthan, Madhya Pradesh, Jharkhand and Chhattisgarh.[43]

UP is officially the most violent state in India. 12% of the total violence in India is reported there. States like Bihar , UP are disgraceful states regardless of who is in power.


States like UP shutting down internet means very little.

So you are giving the justification for banning the internet only or killing the scores of people who were protesting against BJP?

 

[big_gamer007]

Why would he give a statement alleging discrimination then?

Victim card to gain sympathy.

Or might have faced casual discrimination which everyone including me face from Muslims and other Hindus.

Sub continent is a weird place where religion and caste influence mindset of 1.8+ billion people, giving them a weird sense of discriminatory mindset based on these two aspects.

Example of casual racism - inter caste marriages/inter religion are still frowned upon. Will take few decades to change.
On basis of caste/religion people make groups in colleges and even work places. Etc etc
Promotions/quota system - Discrimination again to specific communities in the name of up liftment of some communities


The above examples are not even considered discrimination, it's common practice and everyone has accepted it as a part of their daily life.

Azhar might have faced such discrimination, I don't believe he faced major discrimination because he was one of longest serving Indian captain and was always a celebrity (second only to temdulkar). He got caught in fixing and was punished.

So it's most likely he played the victim card, since there is no evidence to suggest he was discriminated on basis of religion.
One just has to follow his career to understand that.

Note: There are exceptions to above examples.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Always good to notice that Indian cricket has been represented and led by people from all walks of life and religions. Zaheer Khan, Azhar, Sidhu, Harbhajan, Uthappa, Borde, Binny etc.

This the beauty of India <3

Pakistan on the other hand has been a stark contrast. Only Christian cricketer got converted to Islam. Tableeqi Jamat was rampant in Inzi days. Ahmed Shahzad cursed Dilshan for changing his religion in front of everyone in the ground. Shoaib Malik thanked Muslims all over the world for supporting his team. Imagine how bad Pakistani minorities must have felt for not having their support acknowledged.

Sports and religion should never be mixed.

 

[jnaveen1980]

So you are giving the justification for banning the internet only or killing the scores of people who were protesting against BJP?

They are known for violence reagrdless of the ruling party. How did BJP win the election there if UP people hate them "so much". 62 out of 80. They lost only 9 seats. "killing scores of people'? lol you sound like some genocide is going on. I am no BJP fan. But i am tired of the ** that is being spread by congress trolls.

 

[big_gamer007]

He felt he faced more pressure as a Muslim and had different expectations. That’s the definition of discrimination lol. Get a dictionary

He built the pressure on himself by fixing. Most probably in his sub conscious mind he knew he was cheating and it put pressure on him that if it came out in open it will lead to a major issue which could have turned religious.

 

[Slog]

He built the pressure on himself by fixing. Most probably in his sub conscious mind he knew he was cheating and it put pressure on him that if it came out in open it will lead to a major issue which could have turned religious.

Hmm I guess Danish had the same feelings.

He actually just put out a video saying that he never saw it explicitly but may have happened behind his back which I can totally can see happing in Pakistan.

There is casual racism a lot and goes back to your other post

 

[JaDed]

Ajay Jadeja was even more targeted and his case fell through.... guess India targets Hindus more coz lets recall Sreesanth, Manoj Prabhakar as well where are they now? .so yeah maybe India does discriminate against Muslims cricketer when they fix but even more so against Hindu cricketers.

“ Poor” Hindu cricketers getting discriminated other side and this border and this side as well.. looks like Nepal is the only good place for Hindu cricketers

 

[Slog]

That's where Shoaib Akhtar comes into the picture.

Forgot - Same Shoaib who said Sachin had kaanpti taangain when two went head to head ?

 

[jnaveen1980]

Hmm I guess Danish had the same feelings.

He actually just put out a video saying that he never saw it explicitly but may have happened behind his back which I can totally can see happing in Pakistan.

There is casual racism a lot and goes back to your other post

You are trying very hard to draw a parallel. lol. AKhtar mentioned about specific incidents on how he was facing discrimination. If whatever he says is true that is not casual discrimination. That is hardcore discrimination. In Azhar's case neither Azhar nor any other muslim player talked about any incidents where they felt "discriminated". India always had arguments like North vs South not Hindu vs Muslim in sports. Regional clash is present even in developed countries.

 

[JaDed]

Forgot - Same Shoaib who said Sachin had kaanpti taangain when two went head to head

Yes but Sachin didn’t agree to it or even Sehwag on other side didn’t but Kaneria has...

 

[JaDed]

So how exactly did he become the captain if he was discriminated?

Because he was pressured as a captain, most Indian captains have no pressure , dont you see Dhoni’s cool grey hair , he had no pressure at all.. Sachin too as a captain no pressure, Jus Azhar with such a long stint was pressured lol.

 

[MenInG]

How are we to know he did not fix while playing for Pakistan, he just may not have been caught until he came to the UK.

We dont know that.

In fact by definition any credibility a person like Kaneria has is suspect given the lies he presented when being confronted with fixing charges.

 

[MenInG]

We all know that Indian Muslims have to walk a tight-line to ensure they are accepted in India and can survive.

In that sense Kaneria's alleged racism stuff is incomparable to what Muslims have to undergo in India. Azharuddin was the lucky one and only made captain because he was giving something useful to India and not because India wanted to make some supreme example of racial harmony.

 

[big_gamer007]

Hmm I guess Danish had the same feelings.

He actually just put out a video saying that he never saw it explicitly but may have happened behind his back which I can totally can see happing in Pakistan.

There is casual racism a lot and goes back to your other post

Or maybe Danish is trying to play a victim card too?? We won't know the truth, however, one fact which no one can refute is that both sub continent countries face major issues of discrimination because of various reasons.

Btw what was the purpose of this thread? To get back at [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] and few Indians quoting certain harsh truths and then using hyperboles and exaggerations as he usually does in other thread or something else??

Confused why suddenly Azhar came up and is being portrayed as an innocent victim here, people like Azhar or Danish or any other fixer should have 0 tolerance policy and should be jailed for 7 years before they can come back and be forgiven by society.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Because he was pressured as a captain, most Indian captains have no pressure , dont you see Dhoni’s cool grey hair , he had no pressure at all.. Sachin too as a captain no pressure, Jus Azhar with such a long stint was pressured lol.

England series loss, Australia series loss, World cup exit, SA series loss. No Indian captain in the 80s or 90s survived this kind of sequence of failures. Srikkanth despite drawing a test series in Pakistan dropped the team itself. Vengsarkar didn't last more than a couple of series. Despite winning 1983 world cup within one year Kapil lost his captaincy since he lost a test series vs almighty windies.

 

[Slog]

You are trying very hard to draw a parallel. lol. AKhtar mentioned about specific incidents on how he was facing discrimination. If whatever he says is true that is not casual discrimination. That is hardcore discrimination. In Azhar's case neither Azhar nor any other muslim player talked about any incidents where they felt "discriminated". India always had arguments like North vs South not Hindu vs Muslim in sports. Regional clash is present even in developed countries.

Shoaib did not give specific incidents lol.

He said Kaneria and Sami were not given credit for England series win eventhough they performed better than him. Was that also religious discrimination? I doubt it unless Sami also changed religions

Then he said once a player (I’m assuming he’s didn’t say specifically) said why is Kaneria eating from same plates as them? This is obv discrimination and I can totally see that happening. Would you say this does not happen in India too?

The most important thing is kaneria has come out and said most likely people talked behind his back and since he wasn’t there Shoaib akhtar would be in better position to name the players who actually had the problem with him. So now we are relying on akhtars words solely which include ‘Sachin trembled when he face me’ and ‘I was offered millions of dollars, houses and Mercedes to fix matches’ along with many other bongis over the years to get media attention.

Look I’m not saying Pakistan is heaven for minorities. Minorities face discrimination but kanerias ouster from the team had little to do with religion and more to do with a 35 average and even more to do with the fact that he was caught fixing in the middle of the spot fixing scandal.

 

[Vastunna]

This thread is a fun read. Spectacular fail attempt.

 

[JaDed]

So confusing honestly, there is no instance being mentioned of Azhar being discriminated as compared to other Hindu cricketers(Prabhakar,Jadeja,Sreesanth) , there Is no instance being mentioned..

Now on Akhtar’s and Kaneria’s charges of discrimination are very specific to food..

 

[big_gamer007]

We all know that Indian Muslims have to walk a tight-line to ensure they are accepted in India and can survive.

In that sense Kaneria's alleged racism stuff is incomparable to what Muslims have to undergo in India. Azharuddin was the lucky one and only made captain because he was giving something useful to India and not because India wanted to make some supreme example of racial harmony.

That is not true, you are comparing 2019 with 1990's. That's totally wrong and being an administrator, I expected you to not post such baseless posts.

I have already posted how it was in 90s for Muslims, however, your post is using current situation to change history and make Azhar look like some innocent being.

 

[Slog]

Btw what was the purpose of this thread? To get back at [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] and few Indians quoting certain harsh truths and then using hyperboles and exaggerations as he usually does in other thread or something else??

Confused why suddenly Azhar came up and is being portrayed as an innocent victim here, people like Azhar or Danish or any other fixer should have 0 tolerance policy and should be jailed for 7 years before they can come back and be forgiven by society.

It’s relevant since Gambhir brought Azhar up and twitter was already having this conversation. And I felt there were parallels such as consecutive matches, minority then fixing

 

[Slog]

So confusing honestly, there is no instance being mentioned of Azhar being discriminated as compared to other Hindu cricketers(Prabhakar,Jadeja,Sreesanth) , there Is no instance being mentioned..

Now on Akhtar’s and Kaneria’s charges of discrimination are very specific to food..

Azhar literally himself said he was victimized due to being Muslim lol.

 

[Vastunna]

We all know that Indian Muslims have to walk a tight-line to ensure they are accepted in India and can survive.

In that sense Kaneria's alleged racism stuff is incomparable to what Muslims have to undergo in India. Azharuddin was the lucky one and only made captain because he was giving something useful to India and not because India wanted to make some supreme example of racial harmony.

Please deliver your enlightening sermon about something else. Educated muslims are as successful in India as Hindus. Same is the case with Christians. In fact they have a better chance than many Hindus at getting in to good educational institutions. Any and every individual who is focused has a good enough chance. Lol @ walking a tight rope. You are delivering this sermon being a Pakistani who sits in Arab country. Two absolute paradises of human values and rights.

 

[Slog]

Please deliver your enlightening sermon about something else. Educated muslims are as successful in India as Hindus. Same is the case with Christians. In fact they have a better chance than many Hindus at getting in to good educational institutions. Any and every individual who is focused has a good enough chance. Lol @ walking a tight rope. You are delivering this sermon being a Pakistani who sits in Arab country. Two absolute paradises of human values and rights.

When guys like shahrukh khan and Amir Kahn have alleged discrimination against Muslims in India and not being allowed to live in luxury neighborhoods you have a very very weak case I have to say

 

[JaDed]

Azhar literally himself said he was victimized due to being Muslim lol.

Yes but like what..? As compared to Prabhakar, Sreesanth or Ajay Jadeja what was the extra part of discrimination.. where he felt he was discriminated..

 

[big_gamer007]

It’s relevant since Gambhir brought Azhar up and twitter was already having this conversation. And I felt there were parallels such as consecutive matches, minority then fixing

Gambhir is a politician now, he's trying to divert issues which face his constituency by making public look at how bad Pakistan is. That's common trend in politics, you might have few politicians in Pakistan who do same.

Why is it being given weight age on PP? I feel you are glorifying a match fixer by turning him into a victim. Not good.

 

[Slog]

That is not true, you are comparing 2019 with 1990's. That's totally wrong and being an administrator, I expected you to not post such baseless posts.

I have already posted how it was in 90s for Muslims, however, your post is using current situation to change history and make Azhar look like some innocent being.

90s when Babri Masjid was being torn down illegally?

 

[Bleedgreen4ever]

Yes

Indian cricket and India in general is going down the lane as far as Muslim players and people are concerned.

 

[JaDed]

Amir allowed back into team, Sharjeel on his way back .. and how many convicted of fixing allowed back into Indian team? Hell Ajay Jadeja was allowed to play after the case fell through but he was still considered pariah and couldnt play domestics for 4-5 years.

 

[Slog]

Gambhir is a politician now, he's trying to divert issues which face his constituency by making public look at how bad Pakistan is. That's common trend in politics, you might have few politicians in Pakistan who do same.

Why is it being given weight age on PP? I feel you are glorifying a match fixer by turning him into a victim. Not good.

Then why is Kaneria and Akhtar being given weightage in India?

Kaneria a match fixer who denied his fixing for many years. (Btw he has sort of distanced himself and said ask akhtar who it was because these incidents likely happened behind his back)

And Akhtar? Who said Sachin had trembling legs when facing him and was called liar by Indians and had his book launch cancelled in India?

Hardly a credible party

In any case thread had little to do with that

This is a topic of discussion since gambir an ex cricketer has brought azharuddin in the conversation

 

[jnaveen1980]

We all know that Indian Muslims have to walk a tight-line to ensure they are accepted in India and can survive.

In that sense Kaneria's alleged racism stuff is incomparable to what Muslims have to undergo in India. Azharuddin was the lucky one and only made captain because he was giving something useful to India and not because India wanted to make some supreme example of racial harmony.

That is not true at all. Especially down south Muslims are treated no differently than anyone else. There are many many successful muslim business people. Entire namtion wept for Abdul Kalam. A R Rahman a born hindu, converted muslim now never faced any discrimination. Bollywood industry is ruled by Khans and Kapoors. India probably has some caste related skirmishes. But religion-based discrimination is absolutely a fiction that congress government and NGOS trying to spread. Even Pakistan singers like Fateh ur ali khan are celebrated in India. Many pakistan actresses do feature in Indian movies. All these theories started only after Modi became the PM. In my village when i was a kid there was this muslim rich guy would spend 1000s of rupees on Diwali for crackers just to entertain those who celebrate Diwali. I think in reality it is not even 1% true what they say. Let congress come to power. All these theories will magically vanish lol

 

[MenInG]

Please deliver your enlightening sermon about something else. Educated muslims are as successful in India as Hindus. Same is the case with Christians. In fact they have a better chance than many Hindus at getting in to good educational institutions. Any and every individual who is focused has a good enough chance. Lol @ walking a tight rope. You are delivering this sermon being a Pakistani who sits in Arab country. Two absolute paradises of human values and rights.

Apologies if that has hit some sort of raw nerve. I deal with enough Educated Indian Muslims to have a fair idea about what they are going through.

As for other countries, dont worry about them - the number of Indian expats who cling on to jobs in these "paradises" should tell you about how much they value the paradise at home.

 

[big_gamer007]

90s when Babri Masjid was being torn down illegally?

Babri masjid retaliation was? Muslims were powerful back then, they were supported by politicians, and a lot of criminals both small and big level were Muslims. Things are not same anymore with the rise of BJP.

You can't compare the two.

Today things are different, the rise of BJP everywhere and unification of Hindus have made things different.

 

[MenInG]

Guys lets stay on cricket please. (message for me also!)

 

[Vastunna]

Apologies if that has hit some sort of raw nerve. I deal with enough Educated Indian Muslims to have a fair idea about what they are going through.

As for other countries, dont worry about them - the number of Indian expats who cling on to jobs in these "paradises" should tell you about how much they value the paradise at home.

Oh the "I live here so I know better than you" card is already out ?? By that logic how do you know about what is our lifestyle in India by sitting there ?? Just by interacting with a handful of people on your 60 plus years ??

And epic facepalm @ people clinging on to a job there coz of how bad India is. By that logic are you living in Arab countries coz Pakistan is a hell hole ??