Was Mohammad Azharuddin made a pariah in Indian cricket due to being Muslim?

[Slog]

Amir allowed back into team, Sharjeel on his way back .. and how many convicted of fixing allowed back into Indian team? Hell Ajay Jadeja was allowed to play after the case fell through but he was still considered pariah and couldnt play domestics for 4-5 years.

You think that was due to religion?
They were allowed because they are needed. Salman butt and Asif haven’t made come back for same reason and neither did guys like Saleem malik and ata iur Rehman in the past

Besides kaneria case was ECB life ban which then ICC memebers have to follow whereas the trio did not have life ban. That’s the reason why kaneria couldnt even play domestic cricket

 

[big_gamer007]

Then why is Kaneria and Akhtar being given weightage in India?

Kaneria a match fixer who denied his fixing for many years. (Btw he has sort of distanced himself and said ask akhtar who it was because these incidents likely happened behind his back)

And Akhtar? Who said Sachin had trembling legs when facing him and was called liar by Indians and had his book launch cancelled in India?

Hardly a credible party

In any case thread had little to do with that

This is a topic of discussion since gambir an ex cricketer has brought azharuddin in the conversation

Because 90% media is politically controlled. This gave a good reason to turn away from the current hot topic going on which might get government on back foot. That's the difference between media and PP I would have thought.

 

[jnaveen1980]

India is such a vastly diverse country. DIfferent caste, Differnet language, Different culture, Different food.. An unique country. You can never paint INdia with broadbrush. Even within Andhra there are different cultures. Within Hyderbad dwellers have different characteristics. Rest have different characteristics. Same in Tamilnadu. South TN, North TN have different characteristics. In Kerala Muslims and CHristian population is high. PEople who try to typecast India has to learn a lot about India first. It is impossible for entire India to be thinking the same way.

 

[JaDed]

You think that was due to religion?
They were allowed because they are needed. Salman butt and Asif haven’t made come back for same reason and neither did guys like Saleem malik and ata iur Rehman in the past

Besides kaneria case was ECB life ban which then ICC memebers have to follow whereas the trio did not have life ban. That’s the reason why kaneria couldnt even play domestic cricket

PCB should had fought as hard as they did for the trio.. or do we need to go down that road again.. anyhow you got what you wanted blockbuster thread and focus away from Kaneria- Akhtar.. very right wing tactics, congratulations.

 

[Slog]

PCB should had fought as hard as they did for the trio.. or do we need to go down that road again.. anyhow you got what you wanted blockbuster thread and focus away from Kaneria- Akhtar.. very right wing tactics, congratulations.

PCB didn’t fight for trio

They fought for Mohammad Amir

 

[BaankeJi]

No he wasn't. Plain and simple. He was captain for many years. Now he is an MP. He alleged that to gain sympathy - nothing more to it.

Kaneria did not allege it - it was Akhtar who saw and spoke about it. There is a huge difference.

Moreover, India's record about minorities is much better than that of Pakistan. There is no comparison.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Please deliver your enlightening sermon about something else. Educated muslims are as successful in India as Hindus. Same is the case with Christians. In fact they have a better chance than many Hindus at getting in to good educational institutions. Any and every individual who is focused has a good enough chance. Lol @ walking a tight rope. You are delivering this sermon being a Pakistani who sits in Arab country. Two absolute paradises of human values and rights.

If you don't like Arab countries why are there so many Indians (Hindus) in the UAE, Qatar etc.?

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

They are known for violence reagrdless of the ruling party. How did BJP win the election there if UP people hate them "so much". 62 out of 80. They lost only 9 seats. "killing scores of people'? lol you sound like some genocide is going on. I am no BJP fan. But i am tired of the ** that is being spread by congress trolls.

Lol, that would be the end of this world if any kashmiri walks on Congress's path.

No matter what, rich or poor every individual deserves basic rights. Every individual deserves attention especially if he is being killed for raising voice against govt.

I am sorry I am dragging politics on a cricket forum, but can't accept hypocrisy, bigotry and fascism. Doesn't care if I am banned on this forum, speaking truth us more important than me being on this forum.

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

To all Indians who are saying rights of minorities are being taken care of in India are nothing but a puppet who's conscience died long back when father of Nation (India) Mahatma Gandhi was murdered because he favoured Muslims.

At least have some audacity to accept truth, this hate and venom are gonna consume you one day.

 

[cricketjoshila]

We all know that Indian Muslims have to walk a tight-line to ensure they are accepted in India and can survive.

In that sense Kaneria's alleged racism stuff is incomparable to what Muslims have to undergo in India. Azharuddin was the lucky one and only made captain because he was giving something useful to India and not because India wanted to make some supreme example of racial harmony.

What hindus have to undergo in Pakistan is evident by the numbers they are migrating to into India.

How many Indian muslims have been seeking refugee status in Pakistan?

No hindu can hope to be PM or President of pakistan. When the question was raised on this very forum, several posters were adamant that no non muslim can ever lead pakistan.

Azhar was not the first muslim to captain India. He was the fourth. So it was nothing new.

I am not even going into how many muslims have played for India and help win matches.

 

[aloo paratha]

Azharuddin was a convicted fixer and he played the victim card to gain sympathy.

Kaneria was a non-controversial player throughout his Pakistan career but was disrespected because of his religious beliefs.

The two situations are incomparable.

Height of inferiority complex.

 

[Golden arm]

The time during Azhar was playing Muslims were very powerful in Hindi belt. Most of the top notch criminals/criminal turned politicians were Muslims and even the local cadre of criminals were Muslims. These are the same people who were appeased by then regional parties and Congress and which led to rise of BJP/Hindutva now because people got fed up.

Azhar might have felt some discrimination, but during that time things were different. Eventually he was made captain and he committed a major crime (match fixing). I am happy BCCI banned him for life, but seeing he is Hyderabad cricket association chief or something and was a MP earlier it feels he got less punishment for what he did.

This thread doesn't make any sense, I think OP might be hurt by some comments by some posters in Danish Kaneria thread by Shoaib akhtar so this was opened.

However, any Indian old enough to remember 90s and early 2000s remember the power of Muslims and appeasement done to understand comparing it with today's environment is a complete joke.

Rise of Hinduvata is actually more region related then internal issue. Due to rise of extremists in Afg / Pak and terrorism, secularists had a steady fall in India.
Now we in Pakistan have realised the importance of Nehru and Gandhi, after 70 years.

 

[MP2011]

It is true that TODAY if someone like Azharuddin was in the Indian playing setup he would never be captain due to the Hindutva rebellion and he wouldnt even be in the team itself

Lol, yeah so now according to your twisted logic, someone like Khaleel or Shami must be hindus since they have represented us multiple times at the highest level....

 

[MP2011]

This is completely illogical.

Azharuddin match fixing came into foray once his INTL career ended. Kaneria match fixing came into public also once his INTL career ended.

Illogical is what you say here.

Azhar's career ended before his match fixing travails came into light? You learn something new everyday!

For heaven's sake, at least get your facts right for once. He'd have played his 100th test against SA had he not been named as suspect in match fixing! Unlike most other boards, BCCI has been very firm in dealing with match fixers. Religion or the utility of a player to the team has never mattered to them!

 

[Ryw]

Guys i have deleted some unnecessary posts, please stick to the topic and dont derail the thread.

 

[Itachi]

We all know that Indian Muslims have to walk a tight-line to ensure they are accepted in India and can survive.

In that sense Kaneria's alleged racism stuff is incomparable to what Muslims have to undergo in India. Azharuddin was the lucky one and only made captain because he was giving something useful to India and not because India wanted to make some supreme example of racial harmony.

To be fair, you are made captain when you provide something "usefulness" and the quality of leadership. If a Hindu player doesn't provide his worth, he will be kicked out rather than making him a captain because of the religion.

Nothing is given in this life. You'll have to take the opportunity to snatch it by providing your worth.

 

[moghul]

I don’t see any other reason for Azharuddin,s match fixing drama other than him being a Muslim . Otherwise no other Muslim in the history of the world has ever committed any corruption , so no way Azharuddin would do it .Solid point to play a Muslim card , why not .

 

[ak619]

It is true that TODAY if someone like Azharuddin was in the Indian playing setup he would never be captain due to the Hindutva rebellion and he wouldnt even be in the team itself

Oh yes! Mohd Shami's real name is Balakrishnan Shami and Mohd Siraj's real name is Shankar Siraj.

 

[ak619]

If you don't like Arab countries why are there so many Indians (Hindus) in the UAE, Qatar etc.?

Because there is a lot of poverty in India and a lot of worker class people go there to earn money to feed their families. Trust me, no non-muslim is going to the middle East for freedom of religious expression.

 

[ZamanFan]

One can see how BCCI shielded MS Dhoni after IPL controversy and the way they've treated Azharuddin a former captain and one of the most important players of 90s era.

Even Jadeja is honored and supported by his respective state board as well as BCCI while Azharuddin is treated like an untouchable even after so many years. BCCI does not allow him in functions. He works fro a channel which tries to give him some limelight apart from else he is maltreated in a worse manner. But so do many minorities in India.

 

[HasanA]

Oh yes! Mohd Shami's real name is Balakrishnan Shami and Mohd Siraj's real name is Shankar Siraj.

Give it a couple more years. If an Indian Muslim player is vying for a leadership position, the current trajectory of the hindutva policies will trigger protests against such leadership position

 

[HasanA]

Illogical is what you say here.

Azhar's career ended before his match fixing travails came into light? You learn something new everyday!

For heaven's sake, at least get your facts right for once. He'd have played his 100th test against SA had he not been named as suspect in match fixing! Unlike most other boards, BCCI has been very firm in dealing with match fixers. Religion or the utility of a player to the team has never mattered to them!

Azhar's career at 99 tests was essentially well past its due date. he was 37 years old at that point . Kaneria was also 34 when he was banned but he was well past his best

 

[jnaveen1980]

Some are desperately trying to make Azharuddin look like a saint. Look at Sreesanth. He was completely banished. Nowhere to be seen. He was denied permission even to play in scotland league. ON the other hand Azhar was made HCA president.

 

[jnaveen1980]

FUnny thing the whole thread is figment imagination as a t-for-t thread. No other fellow cricketer claimed Azharuddin was sidelined because of his religion. Neither Azharuddin claimed that. Besides India has had several muslim cricketers over the years. three of them captains. There is no pattern. There is no claim. There is no corroboration. Just trying to down play Kaneria episode which both had corroboration and confirmation of the corroboration.

 

[Junaids]

India has generally done well in purging corrupt cricketers.

I would say that the contempt in which Azha is widely held owes everything to corruption and nothing to religion.

After all, he was the Indian captain for ages.

 

[MP2011]

One can see how BCCI shielded MS Dhoni after IPL controversy and the way they've treated Azharuddin a former captain and one of the most important players of 90s era.

Even Jadeja is honored and supported by his respective state board as well as BCCI while Azharuddin is treated like an untouchable even after so many years. BCCI does not allow him in functions. He works fro a channel which tries to give him some limelight apart from else he is maltreated in a worse manner. But so do many minorities in India.

Lol, this is wrong on so many counts that it beggars belief if you really know anything about Indian cricket.

 

[cricketjoshila]

One can see how BCCI shielded MS Dhoni after IPL controversy and the way they've treated Azharuddin a former captain and one of the most important players of 90s era.

Even Jadeja is honored and supported by his respective state board as well as BCCI while Azharuddin is treated like an untouchable even after so many years. BCCI does not allow him in functions. He works fro a channel which tries to give him some limelight apart from else he is maltreated in a worse manner. But so do many minorities in India.

Azhar is the head of Hyderabad Cricket Association.one of the BCCI members. What rubbish have you posted.

 

[Nadeem98]

Oh the "I live here so I know better than you" card is already out ?? By that logic how do you know about what is our lifestyle in India by sitting there ?? Just by interacting with a handful of people on your 60 plus years ??

And epic facepalm @ people clinging on to a job there coz of how bad India is. By that logic are you living in Arab countries coz Pakistan is a hell hole ??

Funny how ignorance, extremism and denial go together. And it's all contagious.We had it from 1984 to 2018 post the whole Bhindra wala episode . Now we don't due to a moderate government but our neighbours do.

 

[andy0204]

Azhar is the head of Hyderabad Cricket Association.one of the BCCI members. What rubbish have you posted.

If he didnt joined politics,he wont have got that position.

 

[cricketjoshila]

If he didnt joined politics,he wont have got that position.

Again rubbish.

He last won an election in 2009.

And congress has little influence in Telangana and BCCI these days.

He won because almost everyone was fed up of that uncouth goon Shivlal Yadav and his equally uncouth unworthy son.

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

We all know that Indian Muslims have to walk a tight-line to ensure they are accepted in India and can survive.

In that sense Kaneria's alleged racism stuff is incomparable to what Muslims have to undergo in India. Azharuddin was the lucky one and only made captain because he was giving something useful to India and not because India wanted to make some supreme example of racial harmony.

I disagree with this on all levels. I could say that we all know what Pakistani Hindus and other minorities have faced in Pakistan is far far worse. It's just a statement. And probably more correct than yours.

In that senseI could say that Azhar's alleged racism is incomparable to what Hindus have to undergo in Pakistan,

Ans as for the man himself, he didn't get to suddenly playing for India, he was nurtured every step of the way. Sure he was talented but so were Pataudi and Syed Kirmani before him and so man after - they didn't sell themselves for money like this guy. Azhar was and is - IMO - a very dubious man.

 

[andy0204]

Again rubbish.

He last won an election in 2009.

And congress has little influence in Telangana and BCCI these days.

He won because almost everyone was fed up of that uncouth goon Shivlal Yadav and his equally uncouth unworthy son.

I agree with you but whats rubbish in my post because of politics he got that influence,his legacy was already tarnished as a cricketer.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I agree with you but whats rubbish in my post because of politics he got that influence,his legacy was already tarnished as a cricketer.

Mere bhai he got his ban overturned by the Andhra High Court in 2012. Thats not because of politics.

 

[big_gamer007]

Rise of Hinduvata is actually more region related then internal issue. Due to rise of extremists in Afg / Pak and terrorism, secularists had a steady fall in India.
Now we in Pakistan have realised the importance of Nehru and Gandhi, after 70 years.

It's all inter related. 9/11 and subsequent islamophobia, politicisation of world media, spread of terrorism, appeasement politics by Congress/regional parties, the actions of some Muslims involved in crimes etc etc all contribute to rise of BJP.

One can argue which factor is the most important and which is the least, but it's all inter related.