Was Rahul Dravid a successful ODI player or simply a poor player in ODIs?

[Ab Fan]

It would be hard to call someone who has got 10k+ runs in one format at a very good avg of 39 a failure/poor player in that format. However, Dravid slow scoring rate has always questioned his ability in limited forms.So, is he ranked as a successful odi player like Kallis/Mahela or simply a failure like Younis/Cook as far as limited overs are concerned?

Remember, he was a leading run scorer in 1999 World Cup even though his team failed to reach semis.His overseas record is pretty good too outside SC.

 

[Zak_Fan]

His scoring rate was comparable to Kallis, and he did play some epic knocks in his career. Won't call it poor.

 

[Pete Rose]

I think he improved with time to be a very decent player until he retired.

 

[TahirFan]

His scoring rate was comparable to Kallis, and he did play some epic knocks in his career. Won't call it poor.

Kallis was a slow scorer but he also contributed to the team with his bowling. You cannot compare Rahul Dravid with Kallis

 

[msb314]

Decent ODI player but not on the same level as Tendulkar or even Ganguly.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Kallis was a slow scorer but he also contributed to the team with his bowling. You cannot compare Rahul Dravid with Kallis

Yup, you are right. I was talking purely from batting perspective which wasn't fair.

 

[Zak_Fan]

One of Dravid's strength as an ODI player was him being dependable. Didn't matter if he played in India or England, you knew what to expect from him, and that made him a strategic asset. His wicketkeeping too added to the value.

 

[Hitman]

Dravid has an SR of 71 while Inzamam has an SR of 74. Both of them averages 39, both of them have scored more than 10K ODI runs.

If someone considers Inzamam a good ODI player, then how can he consider Dravid an average ODI player?

 

[Bilal7]

Dravid was a decent ODI batsman on the face of it but then again, Younis was decent too for most of his career. Given that India's ODI batting is far more advanced than Pakistan's, Dravid cannot really be considered a good LOI player for them, like Younis cannot be called a good LOI player for Pakistan.

Dravid has an SR of 71 while Inzamam has an SR of 74. Both of them averages 39, both of them have scored more than 10K ODI runs.

If someone considers Inzamam a good ODI player, then how can he consider Dravid an average ODI player?

This is because people have intelligence beyond simply comparing numbers and have actually watched the two batsmen play.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Dravid has an SR of 71 while Inzamam has an SR of 74. Both of them averages 39, both of them have scored more than 10K ODI runs.

If someone considers Inzamam a good ODI player, then how can he consider Dravid an average ODI player?

Inzi was good at smacking trundlers out of the park on flat decks, and a left a Richard-esque impression in the minds of young Pakistanis, hence the delusions. Dravid lacked that quality.

 

[Arsalan Pro]

More than decent player.

 

[Statsman]

Dravid has an SR of 71 while Inzamam has an SR of 74. Both of them averages 39, both of them have scored more than 10K ODI runs.

If someone considers Inzamam a good ODI player, then how can he consider Dravid an average ODI player?

Please compare their overseas numbers.

 

[Titan of Technique]

Dravid has a far superior record in comparison to Inzi in WCs.However Inzi played a legendary blinder in WC 92 SF so it would be unfair to call him a bottler or choker but apart from that solitary knock his stats are what you would expect from Chigumbura or Kapugedera.

Dravid was a good odi batsman in Indian team while Inzy was Pakistan's best.Dravid's job was to provide stability and consistency on the back of which his flamboyant teammates would capitalize by scoring freely.Dravid was not often looked upon to score quickly in the last 10 overs.But he did have the ability to go beserk and he did play quite a few breezy knocks in his career. Inzy, on the other hand, had to rebuild the innings after the customary Pakistani collapse as well score at a brisk rate during the slog overs.

Dravid was consistent, reliable and a batsman for all conditions.Inzy was a bigger match winner,more destructive but bit off a FTB.Dravid gradually improved as an odi batsman but Inzi was just the same throughout.I think both are same level as far ODIs are concerned.

 

[Hasan123]

He's a better player than Younis in odis easily .

He's a decent odi player but lacked impact to be an atg in this format. He has decent numbers for the time that he played in though.

 

[czar]

Dravid was more like a Chanderpaulesque type Odi Batsman who had the luxury of other quick scorers in the side.

Even Ganguly had a strike rate in early 70s but he was ten times the Odi batsman compared to Dravid.

Inzamam was somebody who could come at 30/3 and chase down a target of 275 till the end, at the same time if 85-90 runs were required of last ten overs, Inzamam would be the ideal choice. Dravid or Younis or Chanderpaul or Rahane types never come handy in such situations.

 

[Mamoon]

He is very underrated in ODIs because he was not as good as Tendulkar, Ganguly, Sehwag, Yuvraj and Dhoni. However, he was much better than someone like Younis. His SR was good for his era, but he couldn't change gears as consistently as the others.

Basically, he was the non-choke version of Amla of the 90's and 2000's, but by 2007-2008, India became too good an ODI team to find a regular place for him. However, for Pakistan, he would have been a fixture in the team till the end of his career, considering how we are full of chokers who can't do well in World Cups and also, both Younis and Misbah - far inferior batsmen - found a place in the ODI side till the end of his career.

To answer OP's question, Dravid is certainly in the Kallis/Mahela successful category rather than the Younis/Cook failure category.

 

[Snatch]

Dravid has an SR of 71 while Inzamam has an SR of 74. Both of them averages 39, both of them have scored more than 10K ODI runs.

If someone considers Inzamam a good ODI player, then how can he consider Dravid an average ODI player?

Inzamam was merely a very good ODI batsman who's legacy gets slightly over-hyped due to his amazing semi and final of the '92 WC. Aside from those WC heroics, there's little between Dravid and Inzamam in ODIs. As you point out very similar records.

 

[captain crook]

Poor ODI player. Comparable to Younis Khan/Mohd Hafeez. Can't even remember a single impactful innings from him. I'm not sure how he fared in world cups. He hasn't won any, so doesn't matter. Poor ODI batsman and a decent test batsman. That is it. Ganguly, Sachin, and Yuvraj were much better.

 

[Rightarmfast]

Poor ODI player. Comparable to Younis Khan/Mohd Hafeez. Can't even remember a single impactful innings from him. I'm not sure how he fared in world cups. He hasn't won any, so doesn't matter. Poor ODI batsman and a decent test batsman. That is it. Ganguly, Sachin, and Yuvraj were much better.

When were you born? 2010?

 

[SL_Fan]

Was a very good ODI bat for mine. His role was to hold up an end which is what he did.

 

[captain crook]

When were you born? 2010?

Does it matter? I wonder why people get defensive and personal when uncomfortable questions are asked!

Please come back with stats to prove he played any impactful knocks.

 

[Hitman]

Inzamam was merely a very good ODI batsman who's legacy gets slightly over-hyped due to his amazing semi and final of the '92 WC. Aside from those WC heroics, there's little between Dravid and Inzamam in ODIs. As you point out very similar records.

Inzamam was a good ODI batsman, nothing more.

 

[SL_Fan]

Btw here's Dravid's record in WCs and CTs. You know when it really matters. Not bad if you ask me.

 

[SarfiBabarHaris]

An odi great for me.
Mr. Dependable.

Not as great as someone like Tendulkar, Ponting but not bad either.

And regarding SR, A SR of 71 in that era considering his role wasn't that bad.
Also kept wickets for sometime.

I always feared his wicket most after Tendulkar in odis.

 

[Ab Fan]

His scoring rate was comparable to Kallis, and he did play some epic knocks in his career. Won't call it poor.

Agreed with this. His scoring ability can be compared with Kallis.Then he was a clutch bat and performed everywhere too. However,with Yuvi started playing bigger knocks and becoming a reliable combo along with Dhoni means the middle order didnt needed him much in later part of his career.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

He was pretty much like Azhar Ali initially in his ODI career but transformed himself into a match winner after becoming a part time wicket keeper.

 

[Ab Fan]

Dravid has an SR of 71 while Inzamam has an SR of 74. Both of them averages 39, both of them have scored more than 10K ODI runs.

If someone considers Inzamam a good ODI player, then how can he consider Dravid an average ODI player?

And Dravid has done well in World cups too and also overseas. Inzy although was definitely more aggressive than Dravid. Dravid won't have been able to play the knock like Inzy did in WC semis 92. However, Inzy has his flaws too and performed poorly in all other WCs.

 

[ExpressPacer]

You need one such batsman in every team. Everyone can't go all guns blazing. He's a pretty decent ODI bat for me. Far superior to the likes of Younis. However, I think he has too few hundreds. Just one more than Hafeez.

 

[Ab Fan]

He is very underrated in ODIs because he was not as good as Tendulkar, Ganguly, Sehwag, Yuvraj and Dhoni. However, he was much better than someone like Younis. His SR was good for his era, but he couldn't change gears as consistently as the others.

Basically, he was the non-choke version of Amla of the 90's and 2000's, but by 2007-2008, India became too good an ODI team to find a regular place for him. However, for Pakistan, he would have been a fixture in the team till the end of his career, considering how we are full of chokers who can't do well in World Cups and also, both Younis and Misbah - far inferior batsmen - found a place in the ODI side till the end of his career.

To answer OP's question, Dravid is certainly in the Kallis/Mahela successful category rather than the Younis/Cook failure category.

So, that means good enough to be considered a "successful odi player" unlike Yk and Cook?

 

[jusarrived]

I bet suddenly the overseas records and performance in ICC tournaments will mean nothing

 

[big_gamer007]

He was pretty good for his era, people would compare his play style with today's players and think he was poor.. Bit if anyone has followed his ODI career would know during his time how cricket was and he was good at it..

 

[Gabbar Singh]

As a keeper-batsman he was a very good odi player - 2k+ runs @ 44 (strike rate 73) however before he took the gloves he was an average odi player imo.

 

[Specialisttailender]

3rd best Indian player during his time after Sachin and Ganguly. Pretty boring to watch though.

 

[santos11]

3rd best Indian player during his time after Sachin and Ganguly. Pretty boring to watch though.

Yuvraj and Sehwag were also better than Dravid.

All played together at 2003 WC.

 

[captain crook]

He was pretty much like Azhar Ali initially in his ODI career but transformed himself into a match winner after becoming a part time wicket keeper.

Azhar is a much better player than Dravid was. Dravid had zilch impact on the team and often took away the momentum generated by slogger Sehwag upfront. Azhar is a much better batsman, better cricketer, triple centurion, has a double in Australia. Will end his career as a better batsman than the overrated Dravid.

 

[subbu]

Dravid has a far superior record in comparison to Inzi in WCs.However Inzi played a legendary blinder in WC 92 SF so it would be unfair to call him a bottler or choker but apart from that solitary knock his stats are what you would expect from Chigumbura or Kapugedera.

Dravid was a good odi batsman in Indian team while Inzy was Pakistan's best.Dravid's job was to provide stability and consistency on the back of which his flamboyant teammates would capitalize by scoring freely.Dravid was not often looked upon to score quickly in the last 10 overs.But he did have the ability to go beserk and he did play quite a few breezy knocks in his career. Inzy, on the other hand, had to rebuild the innings after the customary Pakistani collapse as well score at a brisk rate during the slog overs.

Dravid was consistent, reliable and a batsman for all conditions.Inzy was a bigger match winner,more destructive but bit off a FTB.Dravid gradually improved as an odi batsman but Inzi was just the same throughout.I think both are same level as far ODIs are concerned.

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Dravid improved as batsmen from 1999 WC ( leading run scores in wc 99)
Batting avg of over 40 since 99 WC ..strike rate 73
and as keeper batsmen avg jumps to over 44

 

[Justcrazy]

He was pretty good , the problem is that he played with batters like Tendulkar , Sehwag , ganguly etc. It gave impression that he was not scoring that fast.

 

[rtramdas]

Having played from 1996 onwards and averaging 39+ @71+ str: rate by facing several ATG one day bowlers
means Dravid was basically a good one day batsman. Now, if his nearly balanced records in all countries & world cup records are added to it , Dravid is no less than a 'very good' category one day batsman by any means.

 

[Buffet]

A good batsman, but not a gun batsman in the ODI format.