Was the partition of India in 1947 the right thing to do?

[ARK Rafay]

1. Muslims of this area (Pakistan) would be suffering just like Muslims of India are suffering.

2. Western Media's influence. Masterminds behind the world brainwashing people.

 

[Devilsadvokat]

With an extra 400 million from Pakistan and Bangladesh added to the nigh on 200 million already in India, Muslims might make up 40 per cent of the population surely that would give them more clout.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Partition was good for everyone at the end of the day. Anyone believing otherwise is just delusional.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Partition was good for everyone at the end of the day. Anyone believing otherwise is just delusional.

not for indian muslims.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

With an extra 400 million from Pakistan and Bangladesh added to the nigh on 200 million already in India, Muslims might make up 40 per cent of the population surely that would give them more clout.

I see you are catching up slowly. Go back to my first reply to this thread post #9 and you will see that was a reason given as to why partition suits the Hindus at least as much as the Pakistanis.

 

[gazza619]

Good thread. It was perhaps not good news for Muslims who stayed in India. India may have thrived more without the partition.

But we must remember the real purpose of Pakistan. A country where can fully implement Islamic laws and also protect the minorities.

It is still an opportunity to turn Pakistan into a country that was booming in the 1960s. I am very hopeful for a better future.

 

[Pakistanian]

I see these threads pop up every couple months

 

[Slog]

Would Pakistan be in a better position if Partition had not occurred. If so, India would be home to the largest Muslim population in the World.

I have not heard of any Indian Muslims being involved in world terrorism, the Indians must be doing something right.

Yes, I don't know how I would feel going back to parents homeland and walking in the bazaar with Sikhs and Hindus around too, guess it would be pretty easy, we live with plenty of ethnicities, religions, nationalities here in the UK.

I guess people of similar backgrounds would tend to flock together.

I know many Indians would now say good riddance but would Pakistan have been better off not partitioning.?

Yea its in an alternate fantasy world where Indians from Kerala, Tamil Nadu and other states joined ISIS... Or do you not consider ISIS terrorists?

 

[troodon]

Yea its in an alternate fantasy world where Indians from Kerala, Tamil Nadu and other states joined ISIS... Or do you not consider ISIS terrorists?

Funnily its the Tamil and Malayalee Muslims that were holding ISIS flags and posed like Jihadis with their Lungis tightly worn.

 

[Devilsadvokat]

Yea its in an alternate fantasy world where Indians from Kerala, Tamil Nadu and other states joined ISIS... Or do you not consider ISIS terrorists?

Thank you for adding to my knowledge, one should always change opinion when faced when new evidence comes along, I am never knowingly wrong, I might adopt that as my tag line.

Still at least not heard of an ongoing terrorist homegrown threat.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Thank you for adding to my knowledge, one should always change opinion when faced when new evidence comes along, I am never knowingly wrong, I might adopt that as my tag line.

Still at least not heard of an ongoing terrorist homegrown threat.

There are more terrorist groups in India than most countries. Try doing a search.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_India

 

[Devilsadvokat]

How does one add a tag line to profile?

 

[Devilsadvokat]

There are more terrorist groups in India than most countries. Try doing a search.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism_in_India

Islamic ones? No international cricket teams shot at?

I guess some could say the Indian state carries out terrorism in Kashmir.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Islamic ones? No international cricket teams shot at?

I guess some could say the Indian state carries out terrorism in Kashmir.

Of course it does, you have to be a blind Indian nationalist to think otherwise.

Indian Mujahuddin are an Indian cell. But the majority of terrrorist groups in India are not Muslims.

 

[Yossarian]

Would Pakistan be in a better position if Partition had not occurred. If so, India would be home to the largest Muslim population in the World.

I have not heard of any Indian Muslims being involved in world terrorism, the Indians must be doing something right.

Yes, I don't know how I would feel going back to parents homeland and walking in the bazaar with Sikhs and Hindus around too, guess it would be pretty easy, we live with plenty of ethnicities, religions, nationalities here in the UK.

I guess people of similar backgrounds would tend to flock together.

I know many Indians would now say good riddance but would Pakistan have been better off not partitioning.?

India claims Kashmir to be "Indian"
India claims all those in Kashmir fighting Indian rule as being "terrorists"
Taken together, by the logic of the above, India is home to the largest group of Indian terrorists in the world.
Does that answer your question?

 

[Yossarian]

That said, it will be Pakistan who will preserve the history and culture of the Mughal empire, we can see already a time in the future when it will all be wiped out. We British have always had a fascination for that period with countless documentaries and photos of Princess Di sitting pensively at the walls of the Taj Mahal. Neutral observers will no doubt be grateful that Pakistan will keep the historical records intact on their side of the border at least.

Brilliant!
What part of the country you live in Cpt. ? I'd love for us to sit down and have a cuppa and a chat.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Brilliant!
What part of the country you live in Cpt. ? I'd love for us to sit down and have a cuppa and a chat.

The north east. I too feel we share a common background, then we can post pictures of our cuppa and make Devilsadvocat green with envy.

 

[Devilsadvokat]

India claims Kashmir to be "Indian"
India claims all those in Kashmir fighting Indian rule as being "terrorists"
Taken together, by the logic of the above, India is home to the largest group of Indian terrorists in the world.
Does that answer your question?

No.

 

[Yossarian]

No.

Obviously the logic is too complicated for you to comprehend.

 

[Devilsadvokat]

Of course it does, you have to be a blind Indian nationalist to think otherwise.

Indian Mujahuddin are an Indian cell. But the majority of terrrorist groups in India are not Muslims.

Exactly, where the whole world has a impression that Muslim terrorists are the baddest, in India they not e an a majority if the terrorist groups operating, somethings up.

Also if the Indian Mujahideen targeted international touring cricket team, who knows?

 

[Devilsadvokat]

Obviously the logic is too complicated for you to comprehend.

Must be the teeny weeny religious part of my brain in operation here.

 

[Devilsadvokat]

The north east. I too feel we share a common background, then we can post pictures of our cuppa and make Devilsadvocat green with envy.

Nothing beats Yorkshire tea. Tho I am a fenlander.

 

[Devilsadvokat]

India claims Kashmir to be "Indian"
India claims all those in Kashmir fighting Indian rule as being "terrorists"
Taken together, by the logic of the above, India is home to the largest group of Indian terrorists in the world.
Does that answer your question?

Let me try a different tack, let me redefine terrorism, or narrow it down to international terrorism, India doesn't seem to be exporting terrorism, aside from the odd ISIS recruit, a drive that seems to have dried up.

Btw I assume you have read Joseph Heller's catch 22? Yossarian being the main character, long time since I read that book, gotta be top 5 in my book list. I liked Major Major and Orr.

Have you read JH's Good as Gold, I think it is on a par if not better.

 

[Super Santi]

Partition the right thing to do.
However, Britain's quick withdrawal and drawing up the borders was a disaster, it resulted in a bloodbath.
They obviously wanted to pull out as soon as possible but it came at too high a cost.

Pre-partition India was too big to govern in my opinion.

 

[aukhan]

Yes, looking at the conditions of Indian Muslims and how they have to kiss up to hindus for their survival, im proud to say my grandparents both maternal and paternal made the right choice.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Let me try a different tack, let me redefine terrorism, or narrow it down to international terrorism, India doesn't seem to be exporting terrorism, aside from the odd ISIS recruit, a drive that seems to have dried up.

Btw I assume you have read Joseph Heller's catch 22? Yossarian being the main character, long time since I read that book, gotta be top 5 in my book list. I liked Major Major and Orr.

Have you read JH's Good as Gold, I think it is on a par if not better.

India doesn't export terrorism only because they believe in racism and caste hierarchy. For them religion is not for all mankind, it is centred around the subcontinent itself, whereas Islam is considered to be a message for all mankind.

In that sense Islamic terrorism has a wider spread than Hindutva terrorism, but it is still terrifying for those who have to bear the brunt. I feel we should be better than to say it doesn't concern us so it doesn't count.

 

[Yossarian]

Btw I assume you have read Joseph Heller's catch 22? Yossarian being the main character, long time since I read that book, gotta be top 5 in my book list. I liked Major Major and Orr..

How else do you think a UK citizen, with an ethnic background stemming from British India (Paternal family side from lands that became part of Pakistan, and Maternal family side from lands that became part of India after Partition) came up with a such a PP username?

It was a choice between that and my favourite character Milo Minderbinder.

 

[Devilsadvokat]

How else do you think a UK citizen, with an ethnic background stemming from British India (Paternal family side from lands that became part of Pakistan, and Maternal family side from lands that became part of India after Partition) came up with a such a PP username?

It was a choice between that and my favourite character Milo Minderbinder.

No need to bite my head off, I don't know your heritage, you could have been Assyrian or Armenian, highly unlikely I accept.

 

[WebGuru]

Would Muslims have survived in a united India or are both countries better off as they are today?

I think the answer is pretty clear now...

#ThankYouJinnah

 

[Stewie]

I was talking to an Indian Muslim a few days back and he said partition was a huge mistake and wrong for Muslims. Because if we had not partitioned, Muslims would be in majority in India right now.

I don’t know if it was right for indian Muslims or not and I am sympathetic to their plight but for us pakistanis, it has been a blessing. Thank you, Quaid-e-Azam. We salute you and thank you!

 

[Chokli]

It would have made sense if all muslims came over to Pakistan but if muslims are still living in India just like any other citizen then was the partition necessary?

 

[Musakhel]

It was necessary because Pakistan represents the continuation of the Muslim psyche of Freedom and not tolerating hindu hegemony, Indian muslims represent the subservient type.

Indian and Pakistani muslims are not the same.

 

[Pakistanian]

I was talking to an Indian Muslim a few days back and he said partition was a huge mistake and wrong for Muslims. Because if we had not partitioned, Muslims would be in majority in India right now.

I don’t know if it was right for indian Muslims or not and I am sympathetic to their plight but for us pakistanis, it has been a blessing. Thank you, Quaid-e-Azam. We salute you and thank you!

His math way off. If you add 200 million Pak Muslims and 160 million Bangladeshi muslims to India's 200 million muslims then that puts muslims at 560 million people, that's less than 40% if the subcontinent's population.

 

[ftbno1]

The real bane of partition for Indian Muslims was that most of their higher and upper middle class migrated.
This is the reason that most of Muslims we come across in India are inferior in intellect. Very few of them are professionals (unlike Sikhs or Christian) so do not integrate even In metropolitan culture.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

His math way off. If you add 200 million Pak Muslims and 160 million Bangladeshi muslims to India's 200 million muslims then that puts muslims at 560 million people, that's less than 40% if the subcontinent's population.

40% is still a huge number, it would have crippled the current Hindutva political drive. But truthfully, India is a false nation in any case, there are massive cultural differences even between south and north India, Very few Pakistanis understand Bengali dialect, never mind the rest of them, and Bangladesh was supposedly created as East Pakistan. India needs to be partioned still further to give each locale it's own authentic voice.

 

[captain.hansolo]

I think Muslims would have ruled and would have been more united if there was no partition. Hindus would not have a country of their own.

that is absurd. a country like bangladesh is a secular democracy, then what would prevent a greater india from being a secular democracy.

keep in mind, the economic and political power rested overwhelmingly with the hindu majority. if there were any attempts to establish an islamic state, what makes you think that majority would renounce any power?

india is going through the usual process of upheaval that most secular democracies with highly partisan populations experience. but that should not fool you into thinking that not only would this process be subverted, but a minority with little power and resources would establish itself as a dominant political entity.

 

[captain.hansolo]

40% is still a huge number, it would have crippled the current Hindutva political drive. But truthfully, India is a false nation in any case, there are massive cultural differences even between south and north India, Very few Pakistanis understand Bengali dialect, never mind the rest of them, and Bangladesh was supposedly created as East Pakistan. India needs to be partioned still further to give each locale it's own authentic voice.

disagree.

if it were to operate as a federation of states, with a highly decentralized governance, it would succeed. however, the temptation for religious autocracies or worse yet, despotic communal states could form. those would spell disaster.

only only needs to look at pakistan where a hetrogenous cultural and religious identity did not prevent the formation of a despotic state.

diversity in culture and religion does not lead or does not prevent success as a state. good economic governance does.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

disagree.

if it were to operate as a federation of states, with a highly decentralized governance, it would succeed. however, the temptation for religious autocracies or worse yet, despotic communal states could form. those would spell disaster.

only only needs to look at pakistan where a hetrogenous cultural and religious identity did not prevent the formation of a despotic state.

diversity in culture and religion does not lead or does not prevent success as a state. good economic governance does.

You talk a good game, but we heard all this before from your current govt which came to power promising economic overhaul, but in reality we see an India where huge swathes of the country live in much worse poverty than in Pakistan. Your elected leaders who were going to provide this economic miracle are now relying on informing their public that Hindus invented plastic surgery thousands of years ago, and banging on about terrorism in Pakistan come election time. Successful leaders who are taking their country in the right direction don't need to resort to scaremongering to win elections. The govt always says a lot about the population that elected it, so I guess the BJP is a good reflection of where India is going.

 

[Technics 1210]

Yes it was the right thing, no, the BEST thing to happen!

Despite what some people claim - Pakistanis and Indians are the same - the reality is if there was no partition, then Muslims would be THIRD class citizens, below Women, Lower Castes, and Non-Hindus in India.

There can never be peace between two religions - one which sacrifices a cow, the other worshiping a cow.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Big Mistake

India should have been a federation of independent states. It would have eradicated both Hindu and Muslim extremism.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Yes it was the right thing, no, the BEST thing to happen!

Despite what some people claim - Pakistanis and Indians are the same - the reality is if there was no partition, then Muslims would be THIRD class citizens, below Women, Lower Castes, and Non-Hindus in India.

There can never be peace between two religions - one which sacrifices a cow, the other worshiping a cow.

Are Muslims third class citizens in India now?

 

[Ronaldo7]

For India politically not so much because the Kashmir issue is still very much alive and the so called pakistani terrorists would have not existed. So it would have been a win win for India but the vast population may have been hard to control.

 

[gazza619]

Muslims of India who remained in India were at a big loss.

 

[jagatk]

You talk a good game, but we heard all this before from your current govt which came to power promising economic overhaul, but in reality we see an India where huge swathes of the country live in much worse poverty than in Pakistan. Your elected leaders who were going to provide this economic miracle are now relying on informing their public that Hindus invented plastic surgery thousands of years ago, and banging on about terrorism in Pakistan come election time. Successful leaders who are taking their country in the right direction don't need to resort to scaremongering to win elections. The govt always says a lot about the population that elected it, so I guess the BJP is a good reflection of where India is going.

Britian voted for a brexit and then voted in an idiot who has shown she is as incompetent as they come, so you should stop judging us and look at your own mess not to mention you think a war criminal racist scumbag is the greatest PM world has ever seen, that tells a lot about you. People in glass houses and all that.

 

[captain.hansolo]

You talk a good game, but we heard all this before from your current govt which came to power promising economic overhaul, but in reality we see an India where huge swathes of the country live in much worse poverty than in Pakistan. Your elected leaders who were going to provide this economic miracle are now relying on informing their public that Hindus invented plastic surgery thousands of years ago, and banging on about terrorism in Pakistan come election time. Successful leaders who are taking their country in the right direction don't need to resort to scaremongering to win elections. The govt always says a lot about the population that elected it, so I guess the BJP is a good reflection of where India is going.

a ill thought out statement. it does not appear you are thinking through things before posting.

why would a political party vying for control of a country and thus access to considerable power, would then turn around and voluntarily renounce it?

no political party has ever been elected on an agenda of promoting federalism and decentralization.

as for your straw man argument, believe it if you think you have evidence for it. but based on every metric of economic progress, the worst of the worst are probably comparable in both nations but the opportunity for advance are better in a nation with a robust economy.

 

[captain.hansolo]

Are Muslims third class citizens in India now?

in rural india, yet they are very much on a lower echelon than the rest of the nation. but this may be more due to political and economic reasons rather than communal.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

a ill thought out statement. it does not appear you are thinking through things before posting.

why would a political party vying for control of a country and thus access to considerable power, would then turn around and voluntarily renounce it?

no political party has ever been elected on an agenda of promoting federalism and decentralization.

as for your straw man argument, believe it if you think you have evidence for it. but based on every metric of economic progress, the worst of the worst are probably comparable in both nations but the opportunity for advance are better in a nation with a robust economy.

But at the moment, India is still a third world country and vast swathes of it look worse than Pakistan. We have a saying in Britain, the proof is in the pudding. Forecasts and promises of a delicious pudding are all well and good, but if all you have in front of you are a couple of stale chappatis and a few beans, that's what you will be eating right now.

 

[CricketCartoons]

India is a joke of a country. My flag is the saffron flag, not the man made tricolor, and i follow Bhagwad Gita, the word of the divine, not some man made constitution plagiarised from other constitutions and gets altered every year.

 

[Mueez]

Absolutely.

Shukriya Quaid e Azam!

 

[Napa]

Nope.

India should have been 3 countries.

One for Caste Hindus (Brahmins/Kshatriyas/Baniyas/Jatts/Gujjars/Yadavs etc) + Sikhs + Jains. These guys are more similar to eachother.
One for Muslims (Including Muslims from all parts of subcontinent)
One for Dalits and Tribals.
Christians can decide where they want to be.
Northwest part of India should be with Muslims.
North Indian should be with Caste Hindus
South India should be for Dalits and Tribals.

For someone who is Indian, I have to say you know very little about India. There are numerous communities in Southern India who are not "Brahmins/Kshatriyas/Baniyas/Jatts/Gujjars/Yadavs" and are also not "Dalits and Tribals".