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JaDed said:
https://sportscafe.in/sports/articl...ts-will-set-a-bad-precedent-in-indian-cricket

The article does say inclusion of Sundar is unfair and they maybe right , England will play proper test cricket , should Sundar be selected considering he is T20 specialist?
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He should be working close with Ashwin as mentor in the nets and then go back to FC once jadeja is fit. That is what will happen and I think that’s the thought process. Brilliant temperament though this lad has.
 
JaDed said:
https://sportscafe.in/sports/articl...ts-will-set-a-bad-precedent-in-indian-cricket

The article does say inclusion of Sundar is unfair and they maybe right , England will play proper test cricket , should Sundar be selected considering he is T20 specialist?
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Well that was a bit of over reaction by the author. Just picking Washington Sundar in the Test squad does not mean that India will start picking IPL stars for Tests. Yes Sundar hasn't played FC games for 4 years but the management saw the temperament in the young man while batting as well as bowling at the highest level. It was good to retain him. He may or may not play the Test considering they have picked Axar Patel as well who is a like for like replacement for Jadeja and if Ash is fit, India will not play two offies anyways.

I don't think Sundar should be discarded just because he hasn't played FC as he has shown that he is a classic batsman with good technique and is not a slogger. He needs more work on his bowling and probably it is time to tell the youngster to concentrate more on long format and pick him for A tours. Sometimes you see someone and you pick them based on the talent and not worry about which format they are playing. They dropped Natarajan din't they? So surely there is no wrong message going out to anyone. Picking Sundar might have been the management call. Does not mean that India will pick another player for Test from IPL and I don't think Sundar has been picked in the Test side for his IPL exploits which isn't the case as most of the Indian fans did not even know he could bat that well.
 
What a talent.

Comfortably the best young spin bowling all-rounder in the world. The true heir to Ashwin/Jadeja.

He is going to score over 3,000 Test runs and take 400 wickets.

India keeps churning out wonderful talent.
 
Mamoon said:
What a talent.

Comfortably the best young spin bowling all-rounder in the world. The true heir to Ashwin/Jadeja.

He is going to score over 3,000 Test runs and take 400 wickets.

India keeps churning out wonderful talent.
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I won't be surprised to see him give up the bowling to become a specialist middle-order batsman. His bowling is functional at best currently.
 
Last Monetarist said:
I won't be surprised to see him give up the bowling to become a specialist middle-order batsman. His bowling is functional at best currently.
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He is only 21, he will get better with time because India knows how to develop players.

One of the major reasons why India is so formidable is because their two best spinners are also good batsmen, and in Washington, they have found their future spin bowling all-rounder.

He might not scale the heights of Ashwin with the ball but he will certainly improve considerably.

A wonderful talent.
 
Should replace Rahane as No. 5 in Tests. Gives India an extra bowling option when Jadeja returns.
 
Mamoon said:
What a talent.

Comfortably the best young spin bowling all-rounder in the world. The true heir to Ashwin/Jadeja.

He is going to score over 3,000 Test runs and take 400 wickets.

India keeps churning out wonderful talent.
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That pull shot off Cummins is a testament to Washy's future. He's a serious talent and from a humble background. In him, Pant, Gill and Natty, India's future is bright.
 
If he improves his bowling, he will have a fantastic career as an all-rounder. His batting is top class.
 
JattMaula said:
He didn't do bowl that well in recent ipl. He was struggling with injuries this past season.

kid is a natural cricketer and I personally think he has a test batsman in him.
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I'm not above tooting my own horn repeatedly. :)

I tagged him as a test batter years ago.
 
Most heart breaking moment of the series. Seriously 3 wickets down when he was on 96 He didn't get a single ball to face
 
Mamoon said:
He is only 21, he will get better with time because India knows how to develop players.

One of the major reasons why India is so formidable is because their two best spinners are also good batsmen, and in Washington, they have found their future spin bowling all-rounder.

He might not scale the heights of Ashwin with the ball but he will certainly improve considerably.

A wonderful talent.
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His bowling is not test standard I see him going the Steve Smith way.
 
Tailenders are not suppose to score but nothing stops them from showing common sense. Same old moronic batting
 
About his bowling, it's better than Bess and has far superior control than Smith ever did as a bowler. He's tall and has an unusually high arm action so he'd extract bounce and that counts for a spinner. Anyway, spinners take time to bloom and peak in late 20s. He'd be one hell of a package with Axar.
 
After Kumble-Harbhajan, Ashwin-Jadeja with Axar-Sundar playing a supporting role ensures that Indian spin-allrounder needs are in good hands. What we need is a pacer-allrounder.
 
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Mamoon said:
What a talent.

Comfortably the best young spin bowling all-rounder in the world. The true heir to Ashwin/Jadeja.

He is going to score over 3,000 Test runs and take 400 wickets.

India keeps churning out wonderful talent.
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He is more of a batting all-rounder in test in Shakib mould.

I expect him to score over 6000 test runs at average close to 40 and take wickets at rate of 3 WPM at average close to 34-35.
 
Babbar said:
After Kumble-Harbhajan, Ashwin-Jadeja with Axar-Sundar playing a supporting role ensures that Indian spin-allrounder needs are in good hands. What we need is a pacer-allrounder.
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Agree. By all accounts though, Pandya is not that fast bowling all rounder we've been looking for.
 
The thing that strikes me the most about his batting is that he bats with the maturity of someone who has played like 50 tests or something. I observed it in his debut at Gabba and he showed the same maturity this series as well. Seems like someone who has a very good head on his shoulders. Think he might go the Steve Smith way - not saying he's going to become as good as Smith, but in the sense that he's going to become a specialist batsman who bowls.

But then again, I watched him in the U19 world cup and he was a specialist batsman who bowled off spinners for the India U19s in that tournament. For some reason, he got pigeon holed as a specialist spinner for India in the T20 format and people have started seeing as a spinner who can bat like Ashwin, but he's more of a batsman who can bowl.
 
Washington has got a very good technique and temperament to succed in Test as a batsmen. He is showing the glimpse of his talent already in his very short test career. I just wish him to continue improving on this aspect to cement his place purely as a middle order bastmen for team India.

FWIW, Sundar is Washington's father's name. In Tamilnadu, we usually attach our father's name either as initial or last name (don't have the habit of using family/surname, example Ravichandran is the father of Ashwin whose name precedes Ashwin's in records). It is sad to see many in media/fans (including the host broadcasters still using Sundar as the name to depict Washi on the screen)
 
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One interesting thing i learnt was his last first class game was 4 years back when he was 17 !! Since then he has not played first class cricket. Mostly T20. That is astonishing.
 
avidlearner said:
Washington has got a very good technique and temperament to succed in Test as a batsmen. He is showing the glimpse of his talent already in his very short test career. I just wish him to continue improving on this aspect to cement his place purely as a middle order bastmen for team India.

FWIW, Sundar is Washington's father's name. In Tamilnadu, we usually attach our father's name either as initial or last name (don't have the habit of using family/surname, example Ravichandran is the father of Ashwin whose name precedes Ashwin's in records). It is sad to see many in media/fans (including the host broadcasters still using Sundar as the name to depict Washi on the screen)
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It is like calling Sundar pichai as pichai lol
 
jnaveen1980 said:
One interesting thing i learnt was his last first class game was 4 years back when he was 17 !! Since then he has not played first class cricket. Mostly T20. That is astonishing.
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And not on purpose. He was injured 2 yearsvand on tour with team India other time.
 
Washi is someone who bats with temperament and poise of an experienced cricketer, all at 21 years and 3 tests to his creds. Incredible.

Its great if he develops into an all rounder , than a middle order batsman who does not bowl.

Personally I feel he has potential of a opening test batsman and could be tried in a home series.
 
avidlearner said:
Washington has got a very good technique and temperament to succed in Test as a batsmen. He is showing the glimpse of his talent already in his very short test career. I just wish him to continue improving on this aspect to cement his place purely as a middle order bastmen for team India.

FWIW, Sundar is Washington's father's name. In Tamilnadu, we usually attach our father's name either as initial or last name (don't have the habit of using family/surname, example Ravichandran is the father of Ashwin whose name precedes Ashwin's in records). It is sad to see many in media/fans (including the host broadcasters still using Sundar as the name to depict Washi on the screen)
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Thanks for pointing this out that Sundar is his fathers name.
We have a saying that "beta na baap ka naam roshan kar diya". So no harm in Sundar as long as it is in good reference.
 
I feel Washi is a serios top order talent and can also be groomed to open....only 21 and has a tremendous future....that six off cummins was straight out of Gordon Greenidge Lords 1984....his defensive technique is terrific, he has the gift oftiming, his back foot play is too good as seen in aus...if anything he plays inside the line which could land him in trouble in swinging seaming conditions in Eng/nz....but only 21 and can improve....Go tamil veeran - washi...:salute
 
Ravi Shastri was both Sunil Gavaskar and Kapil Dev's 'go to man' with his all-round abilities during the '80s and India head coach firmly believes that young Washington Sundar could play a similar role in the current Test team.

The left-handed specialist batsman, who also bowls mean off-breaks, scored three half-centuries in his four Tests along with six wickets which includes prized scalps of Steve Smith and Joe Root.

"I think Washy has far more natural ability than I had," said the veteran of 80 Tests who had close to 4000 runs and 150 plus wickets.

"He has the ability and he belongs at this level and he can go a long way. If he could focus on his bowling (in Tests), India could have a very good number six for overseas conditions.

"Someone who can get you those 50s, 60s and 70s and then bowl for you 20 overs and can pick up 2-3 wickets. That was my role overseas (during the whole of 1980s) and I think he can do that role easily," the head coach said during a virtual press meet on Sunday.

Washington should start batting in the top four for Tamil Nadu across formats, suggested Shastri. "Definitely, he should be batting in the top four for his state. There is no question about that. I would like to have a word with Tamil Nadu selectors or DK (captain Dinesh Karthik) for that matter. I think he should be batting in the top four," Shastri said.

For Shastri, Washington's innings of 96, coming in at 153 for 6 was a better effort than his 85 not out in Chennai. "Washington Sundar, this is unreal. Facing some of the toughest bowlers in the world. I would say this innings was far better as the WTC was on line," he said.

Shastri feels that he can relate way more with the Washingtons and the Rishabh Pants because he had also tasted overseas success as a youngster.

"At 21, 22 or 23, I had similar success, so I can relate to as I scored hundreds overseas. What you can never take away is exuberance of youth. It's only when the baggage comes of being a known quantity and that's when life starts."

For Shastri, it couldn't have been more satisfying than finding that Pant has understood the value he brings into this set-up with his match-winning abilities. "Rishabh Pant, he came in after IPL with a lot of baggage and that showed in his size and he had to lose that (weight) which he did. He worked his backside off. I can tell you that he has trained harder than anyone else, and results are not just for him to see but for the world to see," Shastri said.

"A brilliant match-winner, playing to his potential and there is no greater sight than that. There won't be many who would be able to do that in a lifetime," said Shastri.

He was also happy for Axar Patel, who had lost out a number of years in international cricket due to injuries and saw others leapfrog him in pecking order. "Axar Patel is a seasoned campaigner, I wouldn't call him a youngster. He has been around the Indian team for years, very unlucky with injuries, other players have got opportunities because of his injuries, including the likes of Jadeja, Krunal Pandya," Shastri was sympathetic for the man, who got 27 wickets in his debut series.

"....because he has been injured, now he was injury free and he made the most of it. Try thinking about India playing in India without Jadeja, one of the best all rounders in the world. He (Jadeja) didn't play and someone else (Axar) did.

"When the three (Ash, Jaddu, Axar) play together, it will be some fun," the coach couldn't hide his excitement.

India now has around 25 to 30 good Test players and credit to bio-bubble that the bench strength also got tested in adverse conditions.

"Because of bio-bubble, we have to move with a squad of 25-30 players. As a result you had to dig deep and find your best 30 players. As luck would have it, we had no choice but to play each 30 of them. And you found out who's good and who's not good."

Shastri said that if someone would have told him six months ago that Thangarasu Natarajan and Washington Sundar would make their Test debuts, he wouldn't have believed.

"It's a good headache to have and something that's worked well, You could have never imagined the number of players who have played for India in last six months. Would you have thought Natarajan and Washington would have played a Test match? No way."

"These are things you wouldn't have imagined but circumstances make it happen."

https://sports.ndtv.com/india-vs-en...-play-for-india-believes-ravi-shastri-2385557
 
Junaids said:
Terrific player - a lot like Shadab Khan.
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This is high praise for Washi. His bowling is nowhere near Shadab's in tests but the batting is quite similar- both have 3 fifties in test cricket. Washi has a long way to go to match shadab in tests.
 
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He can replace Vihari in the test team in a couple of years. If Vihari scores a ton of runs by then, Rahane can go home.
 
avidlearner said:
Washington has got a very good technique and temperament to succed in Test as a batsmen. He is showing the glimpse of his talent already in his very short test career. I just wish him to continue improving on this aspect to cement his place purely as a middle order bastmen for team India.

FWIW, Sundar is Washington's father's name. In Tamilnadu, we usually attach our father's name either as initial or last name (don't have the habit of using family/surname, example Ravichandran is the father of Ashwin whose name precedes Ashwin's in records). It is sad to see many in media/fans (including the host broadcasters still using Sundar as the name to depict Washi on the screen)
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Sad? That's a bit much!! It's normal to call people by their last names. Steve Smith is Smith, Ricky Ponting is Ponting and Virat Kohli is Kohli and Ravindra Jadeja is Jadeja. U get the gidt. Sundar is not just his dad's name. It's his name too. It says "Washington Sundar".
 
rhony said:
He can replace Vihari in the test team in a couple of years. If Vihari scores a ton of runs by then, Rahane can go home.
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Rahane will fancy his chances in WTC. Played well last time he was in England
 
Ab Fan said:
A superior version of Moeen Ali.
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Not yet. Moeen is better. But this is Moeen's ceiling. Sundar has lot more to go. I remember that Srilankan T20 series where this kid was MOS for very economical bowling. Not sure what happened after that. He seems to have lost the mojo in his bowling a bit.
 
He is quite a special batsman: Ashwin surprised why people don’t recognise Sundar’s batting talent.
During the post-match press conference, Ashwin said that it’s surprising to see people don’t recognize Sundar’s batting talent.

“It is quite surprising because Washington bowled in some of the IPL franchises and he shot with them because of his bowling in the powerplay. It’s quite surprising that people don’t recognise that he grew up as a batsman all his life who could bowl,” said Ashwin.

“I am not surprised at all because I have batted with him. He works hard on his batting and we have discussions around how he should look to bowl more often. He loves his batting and he is quite a special batsman, I am not surprised at all,” he added.

Answering whether the win in the fourth Test shut the pitch critics up, Ashwin replied, “This series win is a testament to the fact that this is a very good Indian cricket team, that is all I would like to say. The criticism around the pitch, all that, the other day, Sunny sir was saying something that makes complete sense. Only because you are giving attention to people who are making a mockery of cricket, I think we are encouraging them to do more and more stuff.”


https://www.hindustantimes.com/cricket/india-vs-england-he-is-quite-a-special-batsman-ashwin-surprised-why-people-don-t-recognise-sundar-s-batting-talent-101615087967748.html
 
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"Ravi Shastri said Washington Sundar has far more natural ability than he had. He has the ability and belongs at this level. If he could focus on his bowling in Tests, India could have a very good No.6 for overseas conditions."

Strict competition to Hardhik for N0-6.
We have many options, we can pick players based on pitch and conditions.
 
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rhony said:
Sad? That's a bit much!! It's normal to call people by their last names. Steve Smith is Smith, Ricky Ponting is Ponting and Virat Kohli is Kohli and Ravindra Jadeja is Jadeja. U get the gidt. Sundar is not just his dad's name. It's his name too. It says "Washington Sundar".
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I am not sure about the other parts of India or the world but here in Tamilnadu the concept of last name is not a common one. You will find majority use their father’s name as just initial (in passports it mostly ends up with full form as surname/last name category which in fact alien to most of us) and it is also equally uncommon in Tamilnadu for anyone to be addressed by their father’s name (Like calling Ashwin as Ravi or Ravichandran, or calling Balaji as Laximpathy or Srikanth as Krishnamachari is just absurd and the list can go on).

Some people do use their father’s name in full as part to their name in school records. Even then the addressing of such names in public, one will find mostly from their given name (in Washington’s case it is Washington).

My gripe is mainly about in public platforms when Washi’s (Washi is his nickname) name being wrongly attributed as Sundar (same way Ashwin’s name was wrongly addressed as Ravichandran or Ravi by the commentators and experts for so long till they have to be told by Ashwin himself during the interviews and or by the others to correct it).
 
Nothing impresses me more about young talent than their attitude and descipline and from what i have seen so far, Washy seems to be a bloke who has a very mature head on his shoulders. He's gonna keep improving and contributing to the best of his abilities.

Great find for Indian cricket. He's not going to be a trail blazing superstar but he fits right in perfectly whenever India wants to go in with an 8-9 men strong batting line up.

As has been shown in Australia and in this series, teams that bat deep can win from seamingly impossible situations.
 
rhony said:
Sad? That's a bit much!! It's normal to call people by their last names. Steve Smith is Smith, Ricky Ponting is Ponting and Virat Kohli is Kohli and Ravindra Jadeja is Jadeja. U get the gidt. Sundar is not just his dad's name. It's his name too. It says "Washington Sundar".
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Agree. You use your father's name as surname, then it becomes part of your name too. That is the whole point.
 
OMB said:
Rahane will fancy his chances in WTC. Played well last time he was in England
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Averaged 25.7 last Eng tour in 2018. He has only the Lords ton in 2014 to show. That is more and more looking like an anomaly these days.
 
I remember not thinking much of him during some white ball game. And someone here pointed out that he had won a MoS which was shocking to hear.

Still think he has a fair way to go before he can make it on his bowling skills. Not sure he can walk in either on his batting alone. Maybe by the time Jadeja exits or loses the purple patch he's going through, Washington would have improved to be a regular.
 
pillionrider said:
I remember not thinking much of him during some white ball game. And someone here pointed out that he had won a MoS which was shocking to hear.

Still think he has a fair way to go before he can make it on his bowling skills. Not sure he can walk in either on his batting alone. Maybe by the time Jadeja exits or loses the purple patch he's going through, Washington would have improved to be a regular.
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You don’t think he can replace Vihari?

Rohit
Gill
Puj
Kohli
Rahane
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Jad
Ash

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For English tour depending upon the pitch I think we should go for Him instead of Ash
 
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JaDed said:
You don’t think he can replace Vihari?

Rohit
Gill
Puj
Kohli
Rahane
Pant
Jad
Ash

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For English tour depending upon the pitch I think we should go for Him instead of Ash
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I bid a respectful goodbye to Vihari's career after his match-saving knock with Ashwin.

Ashwin keeps getting short-changed on overseas tours and I've never understood why. It's not like there has been another spinner bagging wickets consistently overseas. Instead some random nobodies have often been picked by our :genius captain.

Pretty sure they'd like to go with the 5 bowler theory. If they've followed it in India, no way they're discarding it in England. If it's 4 pacers, has to be Ashwin. You ask English batsmen whom they'd not want to face and it would be overwhelmingly Ashwin over Jadeja. 3 pacers + 2 spinners seems unlikely unless the pitch remotely allows for it + psychological warfare :bhajji

Sundar surely can't be above these two as his bowling is just not there comparatively, right now.
 
pillionrider said:
I bid a respectful goodbye to Vihari's career after his match-saving knock with Ashwin.

Ashwin keeps getting short-changed on overseas tours and I've never understood why. It's not like there has been another spinner bagging wickets consistently overseas. Instead some random nobodies have often been picked by our :genius captain.

Pretty sure they'd like to go with the 5 bowler theory. If they've followed it in India, no way they're discarding it in England. If it's 4 pacers, has to be Ashwin. You ask English batsmen whom they'd not want to face and it would be overwhelmingly Ashwin over Jadeja. 3 pacers + 2 spinners seems unlikely unless the pitch remotely allows for it + psychological warfare :bhajji

Sundar surely can't be above these two as his bowling is just not there comparatively, right now.
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The thing going for Sundar is his lack of first-class experience. His ordinary bowling in test cricket could be just down to inexperience. He seems a smart guy, so shouldn't be surprising if he figures out test match bowling eventually.
 
pillionrider said:
The thing going for Sundar is his lack of first-class experience. His ordinary bowling in test cricket could be just down to inexperience. He seems a smart guy, so shouldn't be surprising if he figures out test match bowling eventually.
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Best possible mentor to a tall offspinner is right there. Like literally within touching distance. Its no brainier to keep Washy in squad even if doesn't play another test for some time.

If his bowling comes anywhere near Ashwin's level then we will be unbelievably lucky.
 
JattMaula said:
Best possible mentor to a tall offspinner is right there. Like literally within touching distance. Its no brainier to keep Washy in squad even if doesn't play another test for some time.

If his bowling comes anywhere near Ashwin's level then we will be unbelievably lucky.
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Rahane should be gone. Washington in his place. A LH in the top order is a bonus plus he can bowl as well. Vihari should also be in the lineup as he is a brilliant player of spin and pretty solid against pace as well. He should succeed Pujara at 3 IMO.
 
After 3 good performances in a row, Sundar has a forgettable outing with the ball in the 4th T20I. 0/52 from 4 overs, mostly thanks to Ben Stokes
 
India vs West Indies: Washington Sundar Opens Up On Challenges Faced After Finger Injury, Says Aim Was To Improve As Player

Washington Sundar missed out on the T20 World Cup but Ravichandran Ashwin’s underwhelming show in white-ball games and subsequent ouster brought him back in the mix as he made his international return with 3/30 against West Indies in first ODI. Washington had to endure a painful five months away from the game due to a finger injury but the lanky Tamil Nadu off-spinner in his own admission, used the time off to get better as a cricketer as that was all he could control.

“There were a lot of challenges but I just wanted to do what I could do to improve myself as a cricketer. That’s all that’s in my control and I was only focussing on that,” Washington said at post-match press conference.

Washington has understood in past two years that there would be roadblocks now and then but he will have to create his own mechanism to counter the issues. He first missed the T20 World Cup in UAE where he was a sure-shot starter and then COVID-19 played truant when he was about to board the flight to South Africa. “Yes, there will always be challenges, that’s something that I have realised especially in the last couple of years. But what matters is how I push myself, keep getting better at the aspects that I want to and keep improving myself. I’ve tried to focus on it,” the young spinner elaborated.

Washington said there are two World Cups coming up, one T20 later this year and the ODI World Cup in 2023 and his focus will remain on those.

“It was very very disappointing to have lost out on a chance to play the World Cup. But yes, there are two World Cups in the next 15-16 months, so that should be my focus.”

Now that he is back, Washington knows that more games that he plays, better and sharper he will become.

“More than anything, I have always wanted to be in the present and keep getting better as a cricketer. If I do that, there would be a lot of opportunities and also the fact that I would be able to perform a lot better. I have loved to stay in the present and enjoy the game,” he added.

Talking about the match, it was all about focussing on his strengths.

“I was just bowling to my strength and of course we had some plans for their batsmen. We just wanted to execute the plans and it was heartening to get off. I am happy that I could bowl to my strengths,” Washington said.

On Sunday too, Sundar bowled early in the power-play, and he said the experience of the Vijay Hazare Trophy helped him.

“That’s something I have been doing for the last few years. I enjoy bowling in the Powerplay now. Even the fact that I played Vijay Hazare, that helped me bowl in different situations of the game. Even there, I bowled a lot with the new ball. All those experiences have definitely helped,” he added.

https://www.india.com/sports/india-...ry-says-aim-was-to-improve-as-player-5226502/
 
He is a very smart bowler. Also, has a very sensible head, should bat at 5-6 and be the anchor who can close high pressure games alongwith the other high risk batsman like Pant and SKY.
 
Just saw some of the post in the thread. You will not imagine this thread is about Washington Sundar if you don't just read the posts.

Over-rating has no limit when it's about indian players.
 
Mobashir said:
Just saw some of the post in the thread. You will not imagine this thread is about Washington Sundar if you don't just read the posts.

Over-rating has no limit when it's about indian players.
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Naw it happens with Indians and Pakistanis, U Akmal, Ahmed Shehzad, Nasir Jamshed.
 
Ab Fan said:
He is a very smart bowler. Also, has a very sensible head, should bat at 5-6 and be the anchor who can close high pressure games alongwith the other high risk batsman like Pant and SKY.
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Perhaps like Shivanarine Chanderpaul... But I don't know if our management understands such things! He will probably be fighting/sharing that 2nd spinner spot (5th bowler, 7th/8th batsman spot) with guys like Krunal Pandya, Deepak Hooda, etc! Even Ashwin would have excelled better (especially in LOIs & Overseas Tests) if he was specialized in this way (batting at the top/middle order). It would shape them differently and also can give great balance to the team with better utility of players! For that to happen, they should be identified in such a way and given a long run at that...!

South Africa in the 90s used to have similar flexibility in their team and used to surprise opponents with such ploys! They used their alrounders so effectively & brilliantly based on each persons merit (Nicky Boje, Patt Symcox, Jack Kallis, Shaul Pollock, Lance Klusener, Mc.Millan, etc, had specific roles to play!) Dravid had actually observed all those things in his playing days, wonder if he has the confidence & independence to employ such tactics with his current team!
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
He is a spin bowling allrounder not a specialist batsman like Hussey.
Comparison makes no sense.
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Surprising, you quote me to tell me this.

You haven't quoted all those who said he should replace Rahane in the test team, who see him batting at 5 in tests, comparaisons with Chanderpaul, Yuvraj Singh, Smith and don't know what more.
 
Mobashir said:
Surprising, you quote me to tell me this.

You haven't quoted all those who said he should replace Rahane in the test team, who see him batting at 5 in tests, comparaisons with Chanderpaul, Yuvraj Singh, Smith and don't know what more.
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You don’t need to be Michael Hussey to replace Rahane.
Sundar has played 4 tests and averages 66, he definitely has the potential to bat at 5 in tests.
Averaging 40+ at 5 and bowling spin is good enough for us, helps in providing balance.
 
Former India head Ravi Shastri heaped immense praise on India's 22-year-old star after watching him bat in the final league game of the ongoing 2022 Indian Premier League where there Sunrisers Hyderabad player scored 25 runs off 19 balls that helped the team set a challenging total at the Wankhede Stadium in Mumbai against Punjab Kings. (Follow IPL 2022 full coverage)

Shastri was immensely impressed with Washington Sundar's batting on Sunday where the SRH all-rounder laced three boundaries and a six to help the team bounce back from 96 for five to 154 for six in a space if almost five overs.

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Speaking to ESPNCricinfo on his batting, Shastri predicted that Sundar can become one of India's leading all-rounders in the game across formats in the near future and backed the youngster to achieve it.

“He is going to be one of India's leading all-rounders. He is the future. There is Jadeja and three years down the line, if he is still fit he will play. They there is Axar around. But this guy is a premier all-rounder, across all formats. He is a serious cricketer. He is still very young and has to understand his own game, how good a player he is and his shot selection. He has to work on his fitness so that he is not injury prone. And India have got a serious cricketer. He only has to look at himself in the mirror and say, 'I want to be the leading all-rounder in Indian cricket over the next three years', and he can do it," he said.

Former India head Ravi Shastri heaped immense praise on India's 22-year-old star after watching him bat in the final league game of the ongoing 2022 Indian Premier League where there Sunrisers Hyderabad player scored 25 runs off 19 balls that helped the team set a challenging total at the Wankhede Stadium in Mumbai against Punjab Kings. (Follow IPL 2022 full coverage)

Shastri was immensely impressed with Washington Sundar's batting on Sunday where the SRH all-rounder laced three boundaries and a six to help the team bounce back from 96 for five to 154 for six in a space if almost five overs.

Speaking to ESPNCricinfo on his batting, Shastri predicted that Sundar can become one of India's leading all-rounders in the game across formats in the near future and backed the youngster to achieve it.

“He is going to be one of India's leading all-rounders. He is the future. There is Jadeja and three years down the line, if he is still fit he will play. They there is Axar around. But this guy is a premier all-rounder, across all formats. He is a serious cricketer. He is still very young and has to understand his own game, how good a player he is and his shot selection. He has to work on his fitness so that he is not injury prone. And India have got a serious cricketer. He only has to look at himself in the mirror and say, 'I want to be the leading all-rounder in Indian cricket over the next three years', and he can do it," he said.

In nine innings this season, Sundar has scored 101 runs for SRH at a strike rate of 146.38 and picked six wickets at an economy rate of 8.54.

Despite his performance, Sundar was not included in the T20I squad that was announced by the BCCI for the impending series against South Africa at home next month.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...h-star-washington-sundar-101653242457743.html
 
I have a left wing suggestion for team India. One that could help them manage the absence of Hardik Pandya (if it happens) in the white ball formats. Well..atleast in ODIs.

I want BCCI to try Sundar as an opener partnering Rohit. The advantages are
a) He has a good technique to face the new ball. He could be instructed to go over the top of the infield and play in the V as he has got the technique.
b) He is a sure shot bowler who could play a defensive role . He can even bowl with the new ball with field restrictions especially to the left handers of the opposition. Four to five overs every game could give the captain a lot of flexibility
c) Because of his presence in the line up, the sixth bowler option is covered and so if Pandya is available then it is a bonus. If not there is not a big hit to the team composition.
d) Because the sixth bowling option is covered, all types of batting combinations could be tried from #4. Batter+AR+WK+AR, WK+Batter+Batter+AR, Batter+Batter+WK+AR etc.
e) The obvious RHB+LBH opening combo..

I tweeted this suggestion to the BCCI. As usual they have ignored it. But this in my opinion is a solid option that could be tried out atleast for next years CWC. What say guys?
 
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After Pant and Gill, Washington Sundar is the most outstanding talent to come from India.

Shaw has a mediocre technique with poor fitness although ability wise he is right up too.
 
Ab Fan said:
After Pant and Gill, Washington Sundar is the most outstanding talent to come from India.

Shaw has a mediocre technique with poor fitness although ability wise he is right up too.
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Shaw's attitude is what lets him down.
 
Jadeja has been so good that it is stopping Sundar's spot in the tests. He has got a lot of potential. Plays spin and bounce and pace really well. Just need to sort his injuries. He is a good fifth bowling option in tests too like Shadab Khan.
 
Pujara should never find his way into the test side again and Sundar should replace him for good.

This kid is special, if groomed well, he will be a good player for years to come.

I hope his test career doesnt go the Yuvraj singh way.
 
Sundar should replace Shreyas Iyer and bat at 6. Pant at 5, Sundar at 6, Pandya at 7 and Ashwin at 8 when Jadeja is injured. :inti
 
Would love Sundar to be a permanent part of India's test team at least in both homer and away tests.

Would be a far better option than overrated Jadeja in away tests.
 
Washington rips through the Bangladesh middle order with a 3 fer in the ongoing ODI
 
He is a special talent. India needs to show more faith in him & across all formats. He is going to achieve great things.
 
Mamoon said:
He is a special talent. India needs to show more faith in him & across all formats. He is going to achieve great things.
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His batting skills are as good as a genuine batsman. But Indian TM is using him as a bowler who can bat a bit.
 
Maiden T20I fifty for Washington against NZ in 1st T20I in a losing cause
 
The Men's Selection Committee have added Washington Sundar to India's squad for Second Test against England

Washington Sundar is already capped in red-ball cricket, featuring in four Tests. Given Jadeja's injury, he is likely to make it to the Indian XI as he is the most experienced of the three replacements.

In the game against England Lions, he picked two wickets and scored a half-century. Sundar's good form might guarantee him a place in the XI for the 2nd Test.
 
Washington Sundar is a promising young all rounder from India who have played very little cricket, but has impressed me on every occasion.


Here are some notable moments of his short career :-

Player of the tournament performance in Nidahas Trophy 2018, where he bowled Excellently in powerplays.

His match changing partnership in 1st innings of famous Gabba test and no look six to great Pat Cummins in chase.

His maiden wicket of legendary Steve Smith and fantastic delivery to bowled Green.

Impressive batting in home test against England. Sadly, he missed his century.

Great late order batting in New Zealand.

Under 7 economy in T20is.

60+ batting average in tests.

Sub 30 bowling average in ODIs.


With such impressive numbers and despite being excellent in every series played , he always finds himself out of side. Not even in 15 member squad.

Simple question, why he is so underrated?
Why no one talks about him?
If he was a Pakistani, Bangladeshi or Srilankan would he really have sat out?
 
Unbiased-Fan said:
Simple question, why he is so underrated?
Why no one talks about him?
If he was a Pakistani, Bangladeshi or Srilankan would he really have sat out?
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Don't know about his T20 stats but he's not a T20 player tbh.. if he can bowl regularly in T20s with good economy then he'll be a good choice, but his batting lacks fire power.. mostly he bats in lower order in T20s so he'll be a liability there.. but he can be great choice in tests may be in ODIs too..
 
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