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Washington Sundar - Second coming of Yuvraj Singh?

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Just heard Ian Bishop compare him to Yuvi, after watching him today, I must admit he looks like a Yuvi Clone; similar height, similar strokes, similar wrists.. Looks a very good prospect to keep an eye out for, not sure when he will get into the Indian international side with the batting currently being so strong though..
 
Yuvraj was more dynamic... you can easily see that Sundar doesn't have that potential
 
Chennai is churning out these kind of players nowadays.. Baba Aparajith has an eerily similar playing style. These guys are not power hitters, but rather rely on timing and they are generally technically correct. All in all, 'test' players
 
Sandeep said:
Yuvraj was more dynamic... you can easily see that Sundar doesn't have that potential
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Yeap Yuvi was way more explosive, I still rem the innings in the U19 WC back in 99 or 2000 I believe where he scored a 30 odd ball 50 vs the Australian U19 side which had Shane Watson etc, captained by Michael Clarke.
 
Cricfan4eva said:
Yuvi was unlucky in tests imo. He played in an era where he wasn't given enough consecutive tests to bring out his game. You had the likes of RD, Tendulkar, Laxman and Ganguly so despite averaging around 35 he kept getting dropped. His technique was far from perfect but he was no Raina. He could've easily had a 40-45 average test career.
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Not at all.

He was useless in tests.

We were stupid enough to give him lots of chances.
 
He is more of a consolidator who plays a steadying innings. Has a good technique and said he wants to shape his technique on Gavaskar's game. He lacks an extra gear and I don't think he'll make the Indian LOI team unless he brings the attacking shots to his game. May make the Test team though.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Not at all.

He was useless in tests.

We were stupid enough to give him lots of chances.
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Again SIF too quick to judge as usual, you didn't follow his ranji performance back in the day, I did, yuvi was a good test material he wasn't useless at all, he was not going to be ATG in tests but he was still good enough to have a great test career
 
carrom_ball said:
Again SIF too quick to judge as usual, you didn't follow his ranji performance back in the day, I did, yuvi was a good test material he wasn't useless at all, he was not going to be ATG in tests but he was still good enough to have a great test career
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Not at all.

Yuvi uprooted trees in Ranji.

He slammed double centuries in domestic before making a comeback for England 2012 and looked like a rookie whenever the going got tough.

Yuvi's test career is like that. He may have at best had a decent career in a weak batting team. Not a good test bat by any stretch of imagination. The average would have dropped if he was given more chances.

Lots of flaws in his test game biggest of them being his inability to defend and play out tough spells.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Not at all.

Yuvi uprooted trees in Ranji.

He slammed double centuries in domestic before making a comeback for England 2012 and looked like a rookie whenever the going got tough.

Yuvi's test career is like that. He may have at best had a decent career in a weak batting team. Not a good test bat by any stretch of imagination. The average would have dropped if he was given more chances.

Lots of flaws in his test game biggest of them being his inability to defend and play out tough spells.
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And you know more about batting than coaches and former Indian players who always backed yuvi the test batsman, you haven't followed yuvi's career like I have so drop it SIF, I even know yuvi's coaches personally
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
Not at all.

Yuvi uprooted trees in Ranji.

He slammed double centuries in domestic before making a comeback for England 2012 and looked like a rookie whenever the going got tough.

Yuvi's test career is like that. He may have at best had a decent career in a weak batting team. Not a good test bat by any stretch of imagination. The average would have dropped if he was given more chances.

Lots of flaws in his test game biggest of them being his inability to defend and play out tough spells.
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I have to disagree, Yuvi just didnt have a place in the test side with SRT, Dravid, Laxman and Ganguly, I remember the Yuvi 100 (test) in Pakistan when Asif wreaked havoc he was the only who stood firm when the rest collapsed. Yuvi had he been given a consistent run for a few years rather than here and there would have had a 45-49 test average which would have been good.
 
carrom_ball said:
Again SIF too quick to judge as usual, you didn't follow his ranji performance back in the day, I did, yuvi was a good test material he wasn't useless at all, he was not going to be ATG in tests but he was still good enough to have a great test career
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Yuvi could've never survived top quality test bowling. Sorry but Ranji performances mean nothing since they are on dodgy wickets and most likely against weak bowling lineups. Yuvi is comfortably the most gifted hitter we have produced. Could strike it as clean as a whistle in his heyday(2007 T20 WC) . But he never had the technique,patience or the stomach for test cricket. Which is a shame really since he couldve become one of our very best.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Yuvi could've never survived top quality test bowling. Sorry but Ranji performances mean nothing since they are on dodgy wickets and most likely against weak bowling lineups. Yuvi is comfortably the most gifted hitter we have produced. Could strike it as clean as a whistle in his heyday(2007 T20 WC) . But he never had the technique,patience or the stomach for test cricket. Which is a shame really since he couldve become one of our very best.
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Even sehwag didn't have the technique, secondly wth are you even arguing about here go through the archives of new papers and read articles written by great players on yuvi's game, he was considered a solid test prospect, read about how highly he was rated back in the day, you guys think you are cricket experts but you are not, and lol about the patience go watch yuvi,s 364 against mumbai(I think)
 
carrom_ball said:
Even sehwag didn't have the technique, secondly wth are you even arguing about here go through the archives of new papers and read articles written by great players on yuvi's game, he was considered a solid test prospect, read about how highly he was rated back in the day, you guys think you are cricket experts but you are not, and lol about the patience go watch yuvi,s 364 against mumbai(I think)
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Sehwag did not have textbook technique and was quite limited especially against swing/seam but its a massive insult to compare Yuvi to Viru. Sehwag knew when to pipe down and take singles and when/which bowler to target. Also he was an absolute destroyer of spin bowling even on turners. Yuvi was never very good against spin and was one if the weakest when you consider that the likes if Gauti,Viru,Laxman,Dravid,Laxman could annihilate spinners. If Yuvi did not get a lot of chances, its because he was not good enough. Period.
 
Romali_rotti said:
I have to disagree, Yuvi just didnt have a place in the test side with SRT, Dravid, Laxman and Ganguly, I remember the Yuvi 100 (test) in Pakistan when Asif wreaked havoc he was the only who stood firm when the rest collapsed. Yuvi had he been given a consistent run for a few years rather than here and there would have had a 45-49 test average which would have been good.
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That was a rare innings.

Too many flaws in his game and he pretty much never looked solid or good when negotiating tough periods.

Had issues against swing, seam and off spin. And good bouncers.
 
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Nikhil_cric said:
Sehwag did not have textbook technique and was quite limited especially against swing/seam but its a massive insult to compare Yuvi to Viru. Sehwag knew when to pipe down and take singles and when/which bowler to target. Also he was an absolute destroyer of spin bowling even on turners. Yuvi was never very good against spin and was one if the weakest when you consider that the likes if Gauti,Viru,Laxman,Dravid,Laxman could annihilate spinners. If Yuvi did not get a lot of chances, its because he was not good enough. Period.
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Putting period at the end of your sentence won't make it right, the only reason yuvi didn't have a good test career is because the Indian batting order was packed with legends, if he was given a consistent run then he would have been able to carve out a good test career for himself similar to ganguly, or maybe even better but it was not to be.
 
sensible-indian-fan said:
That was a rare innings.

Too many flaws in his game and he pretty much never looked solid or good when negotiating tough periods.

Had issues against swing, seam and off spin. And good bouncers.
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Innings like the one vs Pakistan did not happen more because he hardly played test cricket long enough during that period when he should have been playing..... Also having issue with swing, seam and off spin ? come on brother most quality bats would have similar issues..

P.S. On a lighter note, look at us Indians arguing over an abundance of batting talent :)), life can be so cruel sometimes lol... I say as a guesture of goodwill lets donate Washington to Pakistan so they can building their batsmen around him and become a great side like they were in the 90s :D........
 
I personally preferred Napoleon Einstein....
 
Romali_rotti said:
Innings like the one vs Pakistan did not happen more because he hardly played test cricket long enough during that period when he should have been playing..... Also having issue with swing, seam and off spin ? come on brother most quality bats would have similar issues..

P.S. On a lighter note, look at us Indians arguing over an abundance of batting talent :)), life can be so cruel sometimes lol... I say as a guesture of goodwill lets donate Washington to Pakistan so they can building their batsmen around him and become a great side like they were in the 90s :D........
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Yeah lots of batsmen have those issues but its about extent.

P.S - For that they need bowlers of 90s too. ;-)
 
Yuvi had great potential in test cricket .Could have replaced Ganguly after the 2003-04 season easily in the test team.
But after that knee injury he suffered he was never the same player .

It didn't also help that he was always on the Indian team from a young age without ever playing which meant he probably missed Ranji trophy alot where he could have developed more as a test cricketer .
 
Yuvi is not a test player because he plays too many strokes in the air. It would never work in long term. He doesn't even have s strong defence


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Washington looks like a better bowling prospect though gets a lot of bounce.
 
Didn't see him batting but is a great spin bowling propect. Bowled beautifully all day.
 
Having seen him bowl, I think he's a better bowler than a batsman. Can he be our next Ashwin? Ashwin will surely mentor him in TN Ranji side..
 
carrom_ball said:
Even sehwag didn't have the technique, secondly wth are you even arguing about here go through the archives of new papers and read articles written by great players on yuvi's game, he was considered a solid test prospect, read about how highly he was rated back in the day, you guys think you are cricket experts but you are not, and lol about the patience go watch yuvi,s 364 against mumbai(I think)
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And wth are you talking about? You think you are a cricket expert here lol. We don't have to read the newspapers and articles. We have seen yuvi's performances in tests and that is more than enough. He struggled against spin bowlers at home and didn't have the patience to play long innings in intl. 5 day matches. He was one of the finest LOI cricketer to come out of india though. Will always be in my top 7 indian odi cricketers. He has won so many matches for india single handedly.

Also do you know how many triple centuries jadeja has in indian domestics? :inti
 
Hilarious names in the Indian U19 team. The other one was Batham. Were they trying to get his name close to Botham or what?
 
GrandMaster said:
That's the fact. As mentioned before, he is decent but not an explosive batsman like Pant/Bhui/Lomror
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If he can bowl like that and improve on it he would make it in the team based on bowling also he looks more like a test bat.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
And wth are you talking about? You think you are a cricket expert here lol. We don't have to read the newspapers and articles. We have seen yuvi's performances in tests and that is more than enough. He struggled against spin bowlers at home and didn't have the patience to play long innings in intl. 5 day matches. He was one of the finest LOI cricketer to come out of india though. Will always be in my top 7 indian odi cricketers. He has won so many matches for india single handedly.

Also do you know how many triple centuries jadeja has in indian domestics? :inti
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It is very sad and unfortunate for Indian cricket and fans that talented players like Yuvi and Raina were lost to our test side..Rohit seems to go the same route. I think atleast with respect to Rohit the issue is purely mental. Hope the Indian think tank does something to address it.

Or they should take the conscious call of horses for courses policy and stick to it making players aware in which formats scheme of things do they fit into. I think this clarity in direction will be beneficial to all parties involved.
 
On topic - haven't seen the young kid, but if he is indeed a good test prospect, he has to work hard in domestics and prove his credentials to get a ticket to the national side asap. We don't have many test class lefties in our line up now - that he can bowl means our problamatic #6 is the slot he should aim for.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
And wth are you talking about? You think you are a cricket expert here lol. We don't have to read the newspapers and articles. We have seen yuvi's performances in tests and that is more than enough. He struggled against spin bowlers at home and didn't have the patience to play long innings in intl. 5 day matches. He was one of the finest LOI cricketer to come out of india though. Will always be in my top 7 indian odi cricketers. He has won so many matches for india single handedly.

Also do you know how many triple centuries jadeja has in indian domestics? :inti
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Obviously you have some comprehension issues, I said read the views of cricket expert not my views geez you have such a low comprehension level, go cry about ipl some more, serious cricket discussion is not your forte
 
carrom_ball said:
Obviously you have some comprehension issues, I said read the views of cricket expert not my views geez you have such a low comprehension level, go cry about ipl some more, serious cricket discussion is not your forte
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awww go back and read your post again. You were the one who brought cricket experts into discussions. By your logic we should shut this forum because none of us are cricket experts. So you accept IPL is not a serious topic to discuss. Thanks for agreeing with me. You are noone to tell me what I can discuss here or not. Concentrate on the post not on the poster. Ab ache bache ki tarah batao how many triple centuries has jadeja scored in indian domestic cricket? :inti
 
carrom_ball said:
Sandy mah buoy, you should be on team yuvi, he is playing for hyderabad this season don't follow the wrist slitters :narine
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Full support to Hyderabad even when Yuvi isn't there. Now, all the more reason to queue outside the ground. Sher will be there! #Yuvi
 
Shown way better maturity, class and elegance than the so-called Superstars in the top-order. Can't believe Washi is just 21. India has truly found a gem in him. A true successor to Ashwin and Jadeja.
 
Wash is Jadeja's replacement, if he can get his bowling to Jadeja's level, well then WATCH OUT!!!!!
 
Unlucky not to get his maiden ton, some of the stokes were very Yuvraj like.. If he can get his bowling upto par, no saying what he can achieve.
 
Quality player but nothing like Yuvraj. I think he is more of a bowling all rounder.
 
Don't see the connection with Yuvraj apart from the fact that both batsmen are southpaws.
 
I feel he is currently overachieving in test cricket.

He is unlike new set of India players. He is not the one to thrive on confidence or be in your face type of player like most of new Indian players are. He is like an Indian player from 90s where he would carry a meek personality but would deliver under crisis.
 
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