Who was the match referee when jadeja was replaced by chahal?? Maybe a Indian?? LoL
You guy's are non-stop crying about india .
Tough gig. concussion rule itself is absurd. This like for like even more absurd. When all rounder leggie can be replaced with specialist leggie, it will be alright replacing all rounder seamer with specialist seamer. They cannot go by limited stats that is infront of them.
Ramandeep is not an all rounder in any sense. He is classified as middle order batter. Basically Shivam dube has no like for like replacement in the squad. India just exploited it. Other option would be Sundar which would also be controversial. Nitish Reddy is the closest.
They can't deny. This kind of situation will come again and again. THis like for like replacement is a total bull. You only have 12 or 13 players in the side. If a batsmna averaging 50 needs a sub he cannot be replaced only by a batsman averaging 50. Harshit Rana has a first class century. Does Ramandeep have a fifer in first class. DUbe has. He averages 21 in first class.
Ramandeep is hardly a bowler in that case lol You cannot assume what you would do and decide.Essentially DUbe has no concussion sub that matches him. So they will go with the available. If Adil Rashid gets injured while bowling they will go with Rehan the all rounder as they have only one specialist spinner in the side. If Rehan makes a 50 there is no point in crying.
I am not sure that is in the rule. Besides you can raise objection for every concussion sub. if you have this stupid rule it will be exploited. Like for like replacement is a really poor criteria. Especially if you have a rookie player who don't have that much of experience you can't make a case. NItish reddy is largely a bowler in domestic. He averages 20 in domestic with bat. But at the internationals he looked a better batsman than bowler. So you cannot extrapolate domestic stats as well.
if there is rule with possible exploitation, it will be exploited .india is well within rules.
if there is rule with possible exploitation, it will be exploited .india is well within rules.
Change the rules as simple as that because anyone can use it in the future Even against india.
Lol this is your baised opinion. Nothing else
Check the entire thread .i was first one who said harshit is not a like to like replacement but it was close Just like Jadeja was replaced by Chahal under the match referee Boon
precisely. Ramandeep T20 strike rate is 172. dube's strike rate 142. He is better against pace. In case Dube walked out at 18th over and got replaced by Ramandeep and hit a quick 30 then also it would have been a controversy. YOU cannot make like for like replacement based on any criteria. Only rough criteria. If the player is yet to make debut it is even more tough.Check the entire thread .i was first one who said harshit is not a like to like replacement but it was close Just like Jadeja was replaced by Chahal under the match referee Boon
India is well within Rules but rules has major loopholes .you can't find like to like replacement in a 15 members team.
ICC has to allowed a replacement in the case of concussion Sub .this is what is the Main issue with this Rules .
Allowing england to lift the icc World Cup based on a deflection from arm boundary was the pure cheating but they also didn't break any rules .
What makes you think Captain would not have used Dube for 4 overs. lol Your entire argument is based on assumption.
Irony that you ignore two Major points made by me because that not suited for your narrative .
Irony that you ignore two Major points made by me because that not suited for your narrative .
Ok first give the trophy to the NZ than we can disscus about concussion sub. It was blatant cheating .
Lol marnus is pure batsman while green is an all-rounder .
Lol marnus is pure batsman while green is an all-rounder .
Marnus is solid top order batsman while green batting was nothing more than a tailenders in 2023. Green was a tulla player
I mean there is limit of hypocrisy .
This is why like for like a slippery slope criteria. No player is going to be like another formwise, skillwise, conditionwise. Especially when the injury happens to all rounders. You can replace the all rounder either with bowler or batsman. It doesn't matter whether innings is over or not. If Hardik pandya gets injured who will they replace him with? There is no other hardik pandya in the side.Lol marnus is pure batsman while green is an all-rounder .
Marnus is solid top order batsman while green batting is nothing more than a tailenders in 2023.
I mean there is limit of hypocrisy .
That doesn't matter .it was not a like for like replacement . Period
Without bowling skill and fielding skill Green would not represent Australia most of the times.No if or but .marnus is never ever like for like replacement of green.
No if or but .marnus is never ever like for like replacement of green.
From pakistani cricket journalist Mazher Arshad tweets
From pakistani cricket journalist Mazher Arshad tweets
On the concussion controversy in Pune tonight.
Key words in the playing conditions are “Match Referee should consider the likely role the concussed player would have played during THE REMAINDER OF THE MATCH.”
After the first innings, Shivam Dube was supposed to bowl a few overs (especially considering India were playing with just one specialist seamer). That role was done by Harshit Rana. Whether Rana is as good a batter as Dube is is an irrelevant argument.
While the playing conditions can be debatable, you can’t fault match officials for implementing the rules.
It is also not the first time it has happened. In 2020, Yuzie Chahal replaced Ravindra Jadeja and took 3 wickets to win a T20I against Australia in Canberra.
The sport would be less controversial if people cared to read the playing conditions before the series/tournaments.
Nitish too
That's because Aus has abundance of such calibre of players which it would take Asian teams probably decades. Camron Green is great addition to their side. A batsman who bowls at 140+, also in T20 he is a powerful hitter like Mitchell Marsh.
match referee cannot determine whether a player is part-time or frontline bowler. It has to be skill-based. Considering all Dube could do was bowl in the remaining match, the decision to let Harshit come in at his place makes sense.
as KP said the commentary India can field another XI that can compete well if not win all. Ruturaj , Venkatesh Iyer etc.
yea.. That is why they can handle shock situations better than one-dimensional teams. Maxwell dismissal of Rohit played a crucial role in the WC 2023 final.
Jadeja was bounced out by starc .he has not played for another 10 days.Aussies made a mess after chahal won the match.
Dubey is a pace allrounder. So referee can't determined .you can't say he is a part timers or not.
Australian on twitter essentially the same on barmy army twitter feed. Basically talking about England having India at 12/3, 59/5 , them at 62/0, then 100 plus odd with 7 wkts in hands. Post mortem analysis "concussion sub". First match "smog". May be next time they should stop bowling bouncer to Dube lol They made a massive hoopla about Deepti doing a mankading in a dead rubber beacuse the English player cried.England cricket had a day so bad, it could only be summed up in two parts
They woke up 400+ score piled up by Australian women in the morning, and then, just to keep the tradition alive, they went to bed after losing to the Indian men at night crying about the concussion sub.
Dubey had bowled or not in previous game its none of business of anyone .indian can use him at any time in the any games according to match situation.
Concussion is the catch, he can have anything thereafter but nothing matters.
Lol there is no concussion sub for hamstring injury .jadeja was hit on the helmet by a ball .
Lol there is no concussion sub for hamstring injury .jadeja was hit on the helmet by a ball .
Oh sweepy is weeping
As dube is injured,so he is the only option. Any concussed sub can't play for 1 week.In Mumbai ball does not spin much and it's a phatta for ishan,tilak slogging with dew factor too
Let them cryWithout Bumrah india leading the series 3-1 against England Full strength team while india is missing some key players.
somtimes i wonder there are some posters here for whom the greatest t20 team Indian team is enough to make their nights terrified 17 series win
@sweep_shot @jamie smith @mominaSky is good and performed againt the best.Sky has to be at 3 .tilak is too unreliable and not dependable.Hahahahaha sanju fans brigade is hiding Today .
Missed a run out and now dropped a catch and scored Just 1 runs
Cc @Bhaag Viru Bhaag
Maybe he is missing the minnow teams like Surya
Next is mighty bng cats in mirpur I believe
Oh sweepy is weeping
Haven't a pathetic bng umpire showed that in recent test series
Match referee (Javagal Srinath) should've done a better job. Not sure why he allowed that substitution. It should've been a like-for-like.
This is why a neutral match referee is required for every game.
Instead of crying like u, eng should have concentrated more on their team batting,bowling and fielding
Match referee (Javagal Srinath) should've done a better job. Not sure why he allowed that substitution. It should've been a like-for-like.
This is why a neutral match referee is required for every game.
That is going to be bloodbath. India should try sending India B team. Kishan, Ruturaj, Patidar, Prabhsimran, Abishek porel, Gill can be tried once more.
It's right after eng series, So we can expect similar squad as t20 wc will be in 6 months.Test players Jaiswal,bumrah ,nitish ? Won't be there i think.
BD revived Sanju's T20 career but looks like its going go be short lived lol. Jokes aside we are much stronger T20 side now than before despite recent "bloodbath" against IND. Even England got swept 3-0 last time they toured here. Problem is BD T20 team is plagued by consistent poor selection, nepotism, and Shakib/Tamim issues lol.
So looks like javagal srinath match referee made the final decision. Morkel bowling coach took it to srinath - and then its srinaths call who could have rejected it
Why would he reject it? Give me a legit reason. Besides Ramandeep singh could have even batted by retiring Dube out and racked up 20 to 30 runs in the last 2 overs. THen also people will be whining. Cam Green and Labuscaghne both batted in the same match. Eventually Labu as concussion sub batting at 8 making 80 helped them win the match. Think about it. Two batsmen playing in the same innings. Ramandeep is a much better striker against pace bowling. EIther scrap the rule or let the team make reasonable choice. THe reason you allow the team to use sub is because you don't want the team to lose their services. If it happens to a batsman or a pure bowler it is straight forward. If it happens to an all rounder then you cannot nit pick things. SKY used RInku and himself as bowlers and won a match. So in T20 anyone can make things happen. IT is a massive whining, self-loathing. If you find there is a loophole close it instead of whining about it.
This concussion substitute is suitable for rugby. NOt cricket. So they should scrap the rule. It is total waste of time trying to add more fine prints to this rule
