Even if all you say is true , BCCI may not come to Pakistan simply because PAK refused to play in India when India were supposed to host Asia Cup.
Pakistan did not refuse, India was not going to give visas to the pakistani players.
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Even if all you say is true , BCCI may not come to Pakistan simply because PAK refused to play in India when India were supposed to host Asia Cup.
why not? Why can't BCCI send it's team to Pakistan? SL had a full test series. BD came as well. That leaves Afg and Ind. Afg won't have any issues either. This leaves India. Pakistan doesn't have history of extremist like BJP going to stadiums and disrupting games. In fact Pak at present state is much more secular than India and rule of law is stronger than India as Indian security agencies can't even stop RSS extremists making to the grounda and stopping games. We will provide them security and lots of love. They will not face extremists like RSS our players faced in India.
It's about time ICC and Asian cricket council breaks this monopoly of Big boards like BCCI and regulate such matters. It's high time we get rid of politics in cricket. BCCI has no excuse not to tour Pakistan.
It's laughable when BCCI hides behind security when it's the our players who have been threatened the most by RSS goons in India. If Pakistan had said their players aren't safe in India you would believe them since Indian IPL teams don't take Pak players because Ind can't provide our players security against RSS goons.
but it's hypocrisy on the Indian end that India suddenly becomes safe for Pakistani players when it's an international event like world cuo but not when it's IPL or Bilateral series. Do you see the irony? At least stay consistent. India should have maintained their argument about Pak players not being safe in India for previous WT20 just like they are not for IPL or Bilaterals.
If Asia cup is held in a neutral venue because BCCI is not willing to send their team to Pakistan , Should the WT20 cup also held in a neautral venue since Pakistan won't send it's team to India. It's only fair right? In such a case I will agree witb PCB to withdraw their team from the WT20 if it's held in India.
PCB must stand against this bully boy BCCI. Knowing Wasim Khan I am sure he will take a strong stand against this partial and hypocrisy of BCCI.
Who said anything about pakistani players not being safe in India? Where do you discover these things?
In 2011 WC:
https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...-final-involving-Pakistan/article15448113.ece
https://tribune.com.pk/story/137011/terrorism-threat-in-india-during-world-cup-malik/
https://sports.ndtv.com/world-cup-2...threat-on-wc-final-involving-pakistan-1575523
PP Discussion thread from that time:
http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ams-under-terror-threat-warns-security-expert
After this Pakistan travelled to India. Twice. Lol.
So no. India doesn't take Pakistanis in IPL because of safety but because they dont want to deal with PCB and secondly its highly unlikely that pakistanis will get a visa.
Pak travelling to India after that doesnt mean threats are not there. Just like any other team Pak has every right to say of it doesnt feel comfortable due to Indian extremists.
Unlikely Pakistanis will get visa? So you are saying that Pak players wont get visa to India even for World T20 and ICC will sit quiet as always?
Problem is that no one is complaining about any security issues in India.
Pakistan is an isolated case here.
Getting visa for T20 WC is one thing, they got for 2016 WC. But to get work visas to earn money in India is near impossible.
Indian reasoning for not traveling to Pakistan has always been about politics. Why are you changing BCCI's own statements here?
If the ICC wants to host the WT20 without Pakistan, let them do it.
Pakistan should stick to it's stance, and not travel to India under ANY circumstances.
Where am i changing any statement?
BCCI's reason is no govt permission.
Govt can deny permission for various reasons. Security being one of them.
Where am i changing any statement?
BCCI's reason is no govt permission.
Govt can deny permission for various reasons. Security being one of them.
What will Pakistan cricket and it's fans gain from opting out of the World T20, other than the ego factor? Let's leave ego aside, do you rationally see anything positive happening if Pakistan opts out?
It would be fine if Pakistan's games are hosted outside India.
Indian government specifically have mentioned politics. You are bringing security concerns as if they have mentioned them before.
What will Pakistan cricket and it's fans gain from opting out of the World T20, other than the ego factor? Let's leave ego aside, do you rationally see anything positive happening if Pakistan opts out?
Problem is that no one is complaining about any security issues in India.
Pakistan is an isolated case here.
Getting visa for T20 WC is one thing, they got for 2016 WC. But to get work visas to earn money in India is near impossible.
It's not about ego anymore. The political scenario between the two countries is dire at the moment. India should not travel to Pakistan, and vice versa for Pakistan travelling to India. Status quo should be maintained.What will Pakistan cricket and it's fans gain from opting out of the World T20, other than the ego factor? Let's leave ego aside, do you rationally see anything positive happening if Pakistan opts out?
Wasim Khan is nobody to decide if Pakistan should tour India or not. The matter is firmly in the hands of the Pakistan government. PCB will have to adhere to what they say, and there is no chance the government gives the cricket team the clearance to tour India.PCB must convey this to ICC.
By Wasim Khans own statement PCB has no such stance.
Wasim Khan is nobody to decide if Pakistan should tour India or not. The matter is firmly in the hands of the Pakistan government. PCB will have to adhere to what they say, and there is no chance the government gives the cricket team the clearance to tour India.
After this Pakistan travelled to India. Twice. Lol.
So no. India doesn't take Pakistanis in IPL because of safety but because they dont want to deal with PCB and secondly its highly unlikely that pakistanis will get a visa.
It would be fine if Pakistan's games are hosted outside India.
BCCI has made themselves look jokers with these statements. PCB can make them look foolish if they play their cards well.
If any country doesn't tour Pakistan then they are called as jokers??
Why there are no Pakistan tours from England, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand.
remind me again why Pakistani umpires and commentators were cornered by RSS goons and star sports had to cancel their contracts with Pakistani commentators. If there is any law in India and extremists are not in charge of India then why PSL was banned in India and why did Pakistani diplomats were given death threats by RSS goons to leave India.
Do I have to remind you how PCB chairman SHK was cornered by RSS extremists when he came to BCCI office for talks on bilateral series. If he can't be safe from extrmists of India then how can you guarantee Pakistani players won't have any issues?
Indian Govt.in 2018 refused to give visas to Pakistan cricket team due to which BCCI had to themselves shift Asia Cup to UAE.
Pakistan has relevant security threats in India. There have been instances where Pakistani sportspersons were beaten by Indian crowd after their team lostin a hockey match in 1990. Pakistani athletes of SAF games were attacked In india during the 1980s. Pakistan did'nt tour India in 1991 due to security issues.
ICC can do jack if Pakistani Govt. places doubts and as Pakistan is slated to land in India, their radical groups will start issuing threats while its political parties will be trying to breach security and dig up pitches. ICC would have to change to a neutral venue and if Indian situation deteriorates it is likely BCCI will itslef shift venue the way they did in 2009 when their GOvt. refused to provide security for the events .
That would be epic. I can already see things going that way. BCCI has opened a Pandora box with these statements. Now PCB should just copy them.
What do you mean by cornered? No one was within a long distance from Pakistanis. They didnot want pakistanis in Mumbai and that's it.
Pakistan wont be playing matches in Mumbai.
That would never happen.
BCCI would forego the host rights and not participate in the T20 WC than give into PCB's arm twisting.
Indian govt has given out a official statement? Where?
Likely wont happen and thats why Wasim Khan issued his clarification.
He said he never made the comments in the first place.
Then I think ICC should be fine with that. If Pakistan government doesn't give team the permission to tour India, I don't see how India can have it both ways. Pakistan faces security concerns in India that other countries don't and it would be reasonable to deny touring India on those grounds. Although I don't know what reasoning GoP would use.
So you agree they haven't used security issues as a reason not to tour Pakistan?
ICC made Aus WI Eng forfeit points for not playing WC matched in SL and ZIM.
And they will take away India's rights for Pakistan? Lets see if that happens.
What do you mean by cornered? No one was within a long distance from Pakistanis. They didnot want pakistanis in Mumbai and that's it.
Pakistan wont be playing matches in Mumbai.
The International Cricket Council (ICC) has reportedly told the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) to provide written guarantees of providing visa to Pakistan players for this year’s T20 World Cup.
Bdcrictime, in its report, stated that council informed India that the competition’s future may be affected if the Green Caps do not participate in the tournament.
The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) raised the issue in a recent board meeting.
India were awarded the hosting right for this year’s edition after the 2020 edition of the competition in Australia was postponed for coronavirus pandemic. The Land Down Under will now host the tournament next year.
It is to be noted that the cricketing ties Pakistan and India have been strained following the attack on a hotel in the city of Mumbai back in 2008. However, the Green Caps toured the neighbouring country for six limited-overs game back in 2012-13.
The two countries have only competed in regional and global competitions since then.
https://www.samaa.tv/sports/2021/01/icc-asks-bcci-to-provide-visa-assurance-for-pakistan-players/
The International Cricket Council (ICC) has reportedly told the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) to provide written guarantees of providing visa to Pakistan players for this year’s T20 World Cup.
Bdcrictime, in its report, stated that council informed India that the competition’s future may be affected if the Green Caps do not participate in the tournament.
The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) raised the issue in a recent board meeting.
India were awarded the hosting right for this year’s edition after the 2020 edition of the competition in Australia was postponed for coronavirus pandemic. The Land Down Under will now host the tournament next year.
It is to be noted that the cricketing ties Pakistan and India have been strained following the attack on a hotel in the city of Mumbai back in 2008. However, the Green Caps toured the neighbouring country for six limited-overs game back in 2012-13.
The two countries have only competed in regional and global competitions since then.
https://www.samaa.tv/sports/2021/01/icc-asks-bcci-to-provide-visa-assurance-for-pakistan-players/
Once international cricket is resumed in Pakistan...sponsors, money will flow...BCCI and Indian govt knows this and PCB would be in a stronger position. PCB strong meaning Pak cricket strong and our neighbour's are not happy'. They will try their best to come up with cunning excuses. Since attack on srilankan team India has benefitted the most in terms of revenue, blackmailing ICC, bribing with series and blackmailing other asian countries not to visit Pak. PCB should take a stand thinking the long term future of Pak cricket and should refuse to play in India. '
ICC, BCCI or any other sport’s authority cannot decide/ bargain or force GOI about when and how and if visas are issued to anyone coming within the country. There is a standard protocol like in any other country.
When the time will come they will get visas.
BCCI had not authority to provide guarantees and it will not do so.
Not sure why do much of fuss is being made.
True. But then what is the contingency if visas are not granted prior to the event?
ICC, BCCI or any other sport’s authority cannot decide/ bargain or force GOI about when and how and if visas are issued to anyone coming within the country. There is a standard protocol like in any other country.
When the time will come they will get visas.
BCCI had not authority to provide guarantees and it will not do so.
Not sure why do much of fuss is being made.
I am just reiterating that BCCI has no authority to guarantee visas. Does any organisation guarantee visas anywhere in the world?
It’s the government prerogative and they will deal with the backlash if visas are not issued.
ICC and BCCI cannot ask for this.
When were Pakistani cricketers blocked last time for a World event?I agree with your point. In cricket BCCI and GOI has an unique position given that financials are controlled by India. My point is we need to get rid of the feudal mindset that we will block them at our convenience. Other than exceptional scenario, there should not be a reason where players are blocked for an international event that the country has committed to host. Either that or we agree that we are not ready to host an international event and host all the qualified teams. Fifa ensures that equal treatment is provided to all participating nations regardless of present differences and past conflicts between the host and participating nation.
Imagine China blocks India's Olympic team because of border skirmishes. Will that be accepted as a rational stance by our government and people? IOC will likely ban China in that scenario from hosting and participating in events till they change the stance.
Too much gaslighting from some. BCCI can easily forward such requests to Indian government and let them respond. IOC had given India (not sure if it was Indian government or their Olympic organization) a ban from hosting future Olympic tournaments unless there was a written guarantee there would be no future visa denials. Of course they caved and wrote a guarantee. Indian government needs to do the same thing here. BCCI can forward such requests to GoI and stop wasting everyone's time with semantics.
When were Pakistani cricketers blocked last time for a World event?
Why should a special handling happen in this case. Its not an established protocol.
When the world event will near, Visa request will come and will be processed on their merit. Simple semantics.
Why did Indian government have to guarantee visa for Pakistani sports people that will participate in IOC events much further into the future than the 2021 T20 WC?
PCB should also send some officials to assess the security arrangements prior to WC.
Hindutva goons can go to any length in their hate for Pakistan.
So if the visas get blocked we will discuss then. Till then follow the established protocols rather than trying to stir up unnecessary upmanship.