"We can pick two more teams and win any competition in the world" : Hardik Pandya

[Ab Fan]

Hardik maybe right but one thing is for sure, he won't make either of the two teams as far as tests are concerned.

 

[MP2011]

Hardik maybe right but one thing is for sure, he won't make either of the two teams as far as tests are concerned.

Not in the other 2 formats either, he is useless and he has only himself to blame for this.

 

[street cricketer]

This thread was based on Pandya's comments about two more teams when he was on ODI tour. The thread got bumped after the WT20 after India's first team could not make it out of group stage. And then the Indians started chest thumping about their Australia series win while undermining world tournaments. So I don't know know is mixing up the formats here.

Lol it's not chest thumping to say that T20 cricket is an interior format to Test cricket. You might disagree, but that's my opinion.

I don't remember people calling the South African team calling world beaters after winning those test series everywhere. But people acknowledge that great Aussie team or WI team, because they won the world tournaments. The Australian legacy or West Indian legacy cannot be compared to South African legacy.

That South African team was not the same as the West Indian and Australian teams not because they failed in LOI tournaments, but because they didn't have a great home record. They toured very well but used to drop home series quite often to Australia and sometimes even England, which that great Windies or Australian teams rarely did. The fact that you don't remember that Saffer team being called great for their test legacy is down to you probably watching less test cricket, not a fault of that Saffer team. Of course, they were not comparable to the great Windies or Aus team even in Test cricket alone, but it's not a rule that you have to only be comparable to those two GOAT teams to be called great.

The thing is why should we compare and give players the option to win only a single trophy? I am hearing this only from Indian posters recently that if the players are given an option between so and so, then they will choose only so. Why not win both as both are important and the highest awards in the respective formats, but again I see Indian posters here mixing up the formats and compare one format's highest award with another. The Ashes is more about history and emotional involvement from fans, just like Indo-pak games. That is why we will see high level of preparations for these series. But you are delusional if you think that India in Australia or England is the same as The Ashes.

Yes, you are right but just forgot to add that they value every format. The LOI world tournaments are as important for them as test matches. They do not have this "desi" mentality of mixing up the formats and do these hypothetical comparisons about if we have choice between so and so, then we will give up so. They will give the same or more efforts for winning a LOI world tournament that they give in test matches everywhere.

You have zero idea about what English of Australian fans care about in cricket. I have been a member of English and Australian cricket forums for as long as I have been a member here and there is a massive culture divide between them and cricket fans in the subcontinent. Of course, this doesn't mean they won't be happy if they won ICC tournaments or for that matter, it's not as if subcontinent cricket fans won't be happy if their teams succeed in Test cricket. But predominantly, Test cricket is the primary source of entertainment for Eng/Aus fans just like how LOI ICC tournaments is for desi fans. Both Eng and Aus fans care about Ashes more than any other cricket event, the Australian fans care about the ODI world cup and I've seen English fans who don't even care about the ODI world cup that much. Ashes > ODI WC > other marquee test series is how they'd rank the cricket events.

Of course, this might be difficult to understand for you but I don't blame you. I was similarly taken aback as well when I came across comments form Eng fans talking about the ODI WC in a dismissive fashion about a decade ago, but that is what many of them really feel about LOI format tbh, barring the ODI WC. There is a clear divide between Eng/Aus cricket fans and desi cricket fans in what they value and there's a reason why the stadiums tend to be filled predominantly by desi fans in T20 and ODI matches in England and Australia but the crowd for Test matches tend to be predominantly Eng and Aus fans. And yes, a home series with India ranks very high.

I'm not making these things up. Just visit an Australian forum, they won the WT20 *** but their fans were happy obviously, but the attention wasn't anywhere near to the attention they're giving to the Ashes. If say Pakistan had won the WT20, the country would have come to a standstill because world cups are very popular in our part of the world, but that's not the case there. Australia don't even care about T20Is and still they won the world cup.

Ahan, please enlighten me how many test matches Australia or England won against Pakistan in UAE? In test matches, a lot of team avail a full home advantage. Australia makes fast pitches, NZ makes green swing pitches, India makes spin wickets. Again in the bilaterals, it's a competition between 2 teams. In a world tournament, it's a competition between multiple good teams. I mean how hard is it to understand the obvious that the competition in a world tournament will be tougher. And no, I am not going to mix up the formats here, lets talk about the WTC final. 2 finalist teams, neutral venue, fair enough. And the world beater team in this format whose B team won the supposed 2nd most tougher series in Australia (the toughest one is supposedly their home series I think?) could not win against New Zealand in the most important match at a neutral venue? I'd like to write your words in bold now "A mediocre team might beat a top team in about 3/10 times in T20 cricket, but the top team will prevail 10/10 times in Test cricket because it's a longer struggle and the cream always rises to the top."

England is a "neutral venue" in the same way Sri Lanka or Dubai would have been a 'neutral venue' if the final had happened there between India and NZ. It was obviously far similar to NZ home conditions, but NZ won fair and square. Btw, I said the better team would come on top in a Test "series", not a single Test, because Test cricket always happens in a series. Not hard to understand really.

Australia and England haven't won in the UAE because they aren't great in conditions assisting turn. But they nevertheless have defeated Pakistan in the past in their own homes. When has Pakistan won a series in Australia? If test cricket was so easy, Pakistan wouldn't have a 100% losing record in the last 25 years in Australia.

Langer has said a lot of things about winning in WT20, that does not mean that I start searching all those articles and quote them here. Everyone has seen their celebrations, the Australian fans celebrations and the appreciation the team got. I don't think that they will celebrate like that if they win a test series in India. I have not seen them celebrate like that even after winning an Ashes series. Because every world tournament in every format matters to them and they are not obsessed giving up their world tournament trophy to win a test series at a particular venue. I have not seen anyone saying these things other than the "desi" fans

By all means please feel free to quote where Langer has said he rates WT20 as the highest achievement in cricket. It might be his best achievement as a coach, although I highly doubt it as well, retaining the Ashes in England would most definitely rank higher.

And no, you can't judge what's better by watching the "celebrations" of players. Players celebrate wildly after winning the IPL too, does it mean they value it higher than Test cricket. The nature of T20 cricket is such that emotions tend to overflow suddenly because it's an extremely short format whereas a Test series is long drawn out. Obviously you wouldn't have the sudden outbreak of emotions you'd have in a T20 match, doesn't mean they value it the most.

 

[arif_2021]

First win a competition then you can say that.

Haven't won anything yet keeps playing ugly shots, bowls pathetic medium pacer but has a mouth like no other.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

First win a competition then you can say that.

Haven't won anything yet keeps playing ugly shots, bowls pathetic medium pacer but has a mouth like no other.

He has an aura though.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

One more series loss.

 

[ethan hunt]

They havent won a thing since he said that.
Whitewashed by Southafrica Z

 

[Major]

Well, they just got drubbed 3-0 by South Africa in ODIs. Test defeat aswell. What was Dandya thinking when he said that?

Indians still believe they are the Australia team of Ricky Ponting?

 

[Ahmed216]

He is right.

India is the most talented cricket nation in the world. The only team capable of winning a Test series in Australia with their reserve squad.

Apart from England, Australia and New Zealand, they would beat any full-strength side in the world with their reserve team in an ODI/T20 series.

With a bit of luck, they can definitely win a tournament with their reserve team.

Outrageous

 

[YousafTheBeast]

He is right.

India is the most talented cricket nation in the world. The only team capable of winning a Test series in Australia with their reserve squad.

Apart from England, Australia and New Zealand, they would beat any full-strength side in the world with their reserve team in an ODI/T20 series.

With a bit of luck, they can definitely win a tournament with their reserve team.

I’m framing this right now.

 

[gazza619]

Outrageous

I’m framing this right now.

It seems like the test series win in Aus was a fluke.

 

[90MPH]

India have produced some very good players over the last decade but they haven’t performed when it mattered in that same time period.

Look at all the ICC sponsored tournaments and championships during that time - they went MIA at the crucial stages be it the semis, or Final. Even their 2013 Champions trophy win was a bit of a fluke tbh but that was still 9 years ago.

Where they have been strong is at Home especially when it comes to Tests but this was expected was it not ? Most decent teams should be hard to beat at home especially India with all the resources they have at their disposal.

The biggest silver lining for India was winning their 2 Test series away in Australia and that should not be taken away from them because that is an amazing feat especially for an Asian side.

However overall they are not in any fashion the Australian of the 2000s or the WI of the 80s can such a comparison be made . That is just an embarrassing arguement to make and hope this isn’t made again by any Indian fan.

 

[iPakistani]

He is right.

India is the most talented cricket nation in the world. The only team capable of winning a Test series in Australia with their reserve squad.

Apart from England, Australia and New Zealand, they would beat any full-strength side in the world with their reserve team in an ODI/T20 series.

With a bit of luck, they can definitely win a tournament with their reserve team.

Looooool posts that aged TERRIBLY, Indias "best" team getting knocked out of the World T20 in the group stages without beating a single good team, losing to SA tests and getting humiliated by a South Africa Z bowling lineup in ODIs.

 

[ExplicitAI]

India is basically Chelsea FC, a great team but they're not invincible. They do have the richest board in the world but sometimes money doesn't result in success all the time, it's mostly down to the talent you have within your team, the coaching staff/ management and other factors. I do feel that they have plenty of talent at grass-root level but sometimes the selections have not been too great, especially with the new fast bowlers they have tried playing who would quickly fall away. In other words, bowlers similar to Praveen Kumar, Vinay Kumar, RP Singh etc.

Most people also need to realise how much power the media has. The media profits off attention and the number of views, I highly doubt that most people working for the Indian media are hardcore cricket fans themselves but they end up overhyping their team to the point where they think they are the best in the world.

They do have a lot of history which is admirable but every great team has dips, it's not easy to unearth legends like Dhoni, Kohli, Tendulkar, Ganguly, Kapil etc. There will be improvements in the near future but replacing ageing stars like Ashwin, Rohit, Bhuvi and Shami will not be an easy task. I do feel that the Northern parts of India produce the best talent in the country but there have been some amazing players in the Southern regions too.

 

[Mobashir]

He is right.

India is the most talented cricket nation in the world. The only team capable of winning a Test series in Australia with their reserve squad.

Apart from England, Australia and New Zealand, they would beat any full-strength side in the world with their reserve team in an ODI/T20 series.

With a bit of luck, they can definitely win a tournament with their reserve team.

Yes only two people are right, you and Pandya.

 

[MenInG]

The Indian cricket team will return to action on June 9 when the side takes on South Africa in the first of five T20Is at the Arun Jaitley Stadium in Delhi. While the likes of Rohit Sharma, Virat Kohli, and Jasprit Bumrah are rested for the series, KL Rahul will lead the team with wicketkeeper-batter Rishabh Pant as his deputy. The series also sees a return of all-rounder Hardik Pandya to the Indian squad for the first time since the T20 World Cup last year.

Pandya enjoyed a brilliant outing in the recently-concluded 2022 Indian Premier League, where he led the Gujarat Titans to the title in their maiden season. The GT captain was the top-scorer for his side in the season, scoring 487 runs in 15 innings (fourth-highest overall). In the final, Pandya also pulled out a magnificent performance with the ball, registering figures of 3/17 in four overs.

Former India head coach Ravi Shastri, who worked closely with Pandya during his stint at the position, opened up on the all-rounder's return and insisted that he should only be playing in the shortest format until this year's T20 World Cup.

“He will walk back into that squad for me either as a batter or as an all-rounder. I don't think he is that badly injured where he cannot bowl you two overs. He has had ample rest and he will continue to have ample rest because that's the only format he should play going into the World Cup. They shouldn't take the risk of making him play ODI cricket,” said Shastri in Star Sports' Game Plan.

Shastri further added that Pandya does the job of two players in the side.

“Massive, he does the job for two players. A Hardik Pandya playing just as a batter would mean he has to bat in the top four or five but Hardik Pandya playing as an all-rounder, he can bat at five, six or four and still bowl those two-three overs for you,” said the former India head coach.

HT

 

[MenInG]

Hardik Pandya 46 (32) - his highest T20I score (in match vs South Africa)

 

[MenInG]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">6⃣ Wickets <br>1⃣0⃣0⃣ Runs <br><br>For his solid all-round performance, <a href="https://twitter.com/hardikpandya7?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@hardikpandya7</a> bags the Player of the Series award. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/TeamIndia?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#TeamIndia</a> | <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvIND?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvIND</a> <a href="https://t.co/iOY9pLPeIG">pic.twitter.com/iOY9pLPeIG</a></p>— BCCI (@BCCI) <a href="https://twitter.com/BCCI/status/1548730915928829952?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">July 17, 2022</a></blockquote>
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[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Congratulations to Hardik Pandya but this is the wrong thread. Still don't agree with the OP.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

I remember he said this after Indian team beat Sri Lanka team in Sri Lanka.

 

[Mobashir]

Delusional fan made these player delusional.

It's normal when you have fans like [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION], these player will over-rate themselves.

Pathetic situation to be a normal Indian inguess

 

[IAJ]

You can have 10 teams for that matter, in the end only those 11 selected for your first team which matters, and some of these rock stars are not good enough.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Delusional fan made these player delusional.

It's normal when you have fans like [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION], these player will over-rate themselves.

Pathetic situation to be a normal Indian inguess

His die hard fans who also happens to be Pant's fans are nowhere to be seen. Pandya at least plays one good inning or bowl well in one inning here and there but Mr RP has no performance at all in T20Is. You will never see them criticise these players. At least I give a credit where its due. [MENTION=146232]jeeteshssaxena[/MENTION] [MENTION=139595]Ab Fan[/MENTION]

 

[Villager6964]

LOL hahahahahah. Once again LOL.

All Indians whether they are fans,players or experts they really do live in their own fantasy land.

They really should be brought back down to earth.

Hopefully after this Asia Cup humiliation. They should try to be humble.

Garoor ka sar hamesha neecha.

Aa jao zameen te Indians.LOL.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

You can have 10 teams for that matter, in the end only those 11 selected for your first team which matters, and some of these rock stars are not good enough.

Pandya gave a statement after India's win against Pakistan that he could have scored even 15 runs in the last over against Pakistan. These are the sort of overconfident statements he gives when he performs well once in a while. He was struggling to make even 15 runs today against Sri Lanka. It's important for fans and players to keep their feet on the ground and don't give these insulting and OTT statements regarding other teams.

 

[Stewie]

Pandya gave a statement after India's win against Pakistan that he could have scored even 15 runs in the last over against Pakistan. These are the sort of overconfident statements he gives when he performs well once in a while. He was struggling to make even 15 runs today against Sri Lanka. It's important for fans and players to keep their feet on the ground and don't give these insulting and OTT statements regarding other teams.

Cricket is a cruel and funny game, you are up one game and bottom the next. Nothing to do with talent or skill, thats just the way it is. It is good to stay grounded.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

No matter how good of a team truly is, there are NEVER going to win all and every game.

In all honestly, India is lacking bowling when Bumrah is out.

Their batting and hitting is still better than any team in the Asia cup.

The stroke making, the timing, the style, the power and energy behind their big hits is truly a delight to watch. The way their batsmen connect the ball for boundary is miles ahead of all teams in this tournament.

You will be living in a fools heaven if you think otherwise.

 

[RainStopsPlay]

Series win against full-strength SA team. Well played India B.

 

[giri26]

Tournament win might be tough but India's B team has shown that they can for sure win bi-lateral series against full strength sides. This was another good win.

 

[Ab Fan]

Winning a tournament is a tad too much but we can definitely compete vs top teams too with India B team as well. As example, look at this India B ODI team :-

Gill
Shaw
Kishan
Shreyas
Samson(wkt)
W Sundar
Axar
S Thakur
Siraj
Kuldeep
Prasidh

Apart from this, you are still left with SKY, Hooda, Bhuvi and Arshdeep.

Problem for India is T20 bowling attack because Shami and Prasidh are not good T20 bowlers and Bumrah and D Chahar are injured. This leaves us with Bhuvi, Arshdeep and Siraj apart from Harshal(who did well in UAE only).

 

[YousafTheBeast]

This thread is never going to die, I won’t let it.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Should have picked the other team.

 

[ElRaja]

haha, hardik is a quality player, feel sorry for him tbh, but if u make stupid statements they will haunt u.

 

[the Great Khan]

This thread is never going to die, I won’t let it.

As my bro [MENTION=81]Monsee[/MENTION] would say hahahahahahahahahahahahahha

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I reckon the moment of the match was when England were 55-0 and Hardik was gesturing the crowd to make some noise and cheer the team on.

The very next ball, Buttler pumped Axar for a boundary, making Hardik look like a fool with egg on his face as he walked over to Hales with a wry smile on his face.

 

[Kianig89]

This was some brutality more like 7-0 humiliation Germans served to Brazil in Fifa WC SF some time back, never seen such a dominant batting display in A crunch game

 

[Monsee]

As my bro [MENTION=81]Monsee[/MENTION] would say hahahahahahahahahahahahahha

LOL I just asked an Indian friend about the massacre in Australia and he basically pretended not to know what I am talking about. After such a defeat and also another 10 wicket thumping from us last year, their whole team will need the kind of support Babar provided to Kohli for a long time in helping him get back to form.

Although, I must confess, I am more worried about Sunday now, we better not come out looking like Indians...we want to go all out attack and compete hardcore or else we will get blown as well. Their team has no tailenders and has 7-8 bowling options as well

 

[PakLFC]

Such stupid comments only further embarrasses India when they get thrashed. Over confidence and arrogance is the key to vital losses they constantly face. First produce a genuine fast bowler before telling us how great you are.

 

[Plumb]

first figure out the first playing 11...

 

[RamLakhan]

Perhaps he was talking about IPL Teams

 

[Mobashir]

With a top order as bad as Rahul-Rohit-Kohli is the first T20I XI I am guessing how bad can be the top 3 in the second XI.
Pandya himslef was really poor with the bat troughout the world cup but was saved by the brilliant innings vs England.

 

[Ab Fan]

There is not much difference between India's first XI and second XI in T20Is and ODIs. Both teams can compete vs good teams in the world like how India 'B' beat South Africa in bilaterals.

Winning takes a lot more though, you need to have the smartest brains in the team and players able to thrive under pressure to go past the winning line.

 

[Ab Fan]

Pandya in ICC tournaments knockouts:

2017 WC Final - ✓
2019 WC Semi Final- ✓( weathered the storm with Pant and bowled full 10 overs quota)
2022 WT20 Semi Final - ✓

 

[RamLakhan]

Sometimes a good team combination with smart players can do the difference (in T20s). You won't believe, even a seasoned IPL team (even without foreign players - them being replaced by some proper local players sitting in the bench) would have done much better against England in that semifinals! T20 should not be played with the mindset of seniority culture... It is a game of youngsters (as described by Sachin Tendulkar). A stunning catch, a breathtaking six, a runout chance created from nowhere, can change the complexion of whole game! And that can happen with young players with hunger and who are on their toes...

The so-called senior pros should stick to longer formats (even ODIs are extended T20s these days). Tests and old format ODIs (red ball, day game, reverse swing, soft ball to spinners) this is where the skills of experienced batsmen will come into play! Modern LOIs are like baseball, its all about power hitting and timing and quick/sharp thinking, athleticism, etc. Same goes with bowlers, Ashwin - his variations, finger grip on ball needs pitch & soft-ball to assist!

That's why WI won in this format twice when they got the combination right! I will go with Pandya, his Gujarat Titans would have fared much better in this world cup!

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Pandya in ICC tournaments knockouts:

2017 WC Final - ✓
2019 WC Semi Final- ✓( weathered the storm with Pant and bowled full 10 overs quota)
2022 WT20 Semi Final - ✓

And we lost all these matches.

 

[Ab Fan]

And we lost all these matches.

This tells us that Pandya is the one who is carrying the Indian LOI side in ICC knockouts.

 

[sweep_shot]

This statement alone shows what's wrong with modern day Indian LOI team.

There seems to be a non-serious and even arrogant attitude.

 

[Forum363]

And you have mamoon jumping on pakistani cricketers who make the very slightest aggressive / confident comments about high targets.

Then there’s guys like Pandya and Archer making the most obnoxious and stupid comments.

‘But but but these guys can back it up’ … LOL we’ve seen how wrong he is.

 

[Saj]

Pandya is a good cricketer and usually performs well in big matches but this statement was nothing short of stupid and arrogant.

Arrogance usually comes back to bite you on the backside.

 

[rhony]

Obviously it's an inaccurate statement but his swag comes from his own confidence and his tendency to emulate the Windies mercenaries. India can field a couple of competitive teams for sure in any tournament but none of them will win the cup. On all accounts Pandya is going to be the next T20I captain and young Indians are fearless. I expect him shoring up the bowling unit, spinners and pacers. This Ind vs NZ T20I series could be another meaningless series but will be interesting to see how some of the youngsters do.

 

[rhony]

There is not much difference between India's first XI and second XI in T20Is and ODIs. Both teams can compete vs good teams in the world like how India 'B' beat South Africa in bilaterals.

Winning takes a lot more though, you need to have the smartest brains in the team and players able to thrive under pressure to go past the winning line.

It's the attitude. Aussies always played with a spirit of "willing to lose". Clarke mentioned the same recently and said the current Aussie team lacked it in the world cup. Unless you are willing to lose, you can't win. Simple!! This Indian batting has always been about minimum guarantee scores but it works only when bowling unit can back it up. I definitely see a different attitude in the younger lot. But it's important to give them enough games before the next WC

 

[shamaan]

Stop win a tournament before he makes these stupid comments

 

[gazza619]

Bump!!!

 

[alone1213]

LoL hahaha. This is just embarrassing statement by an overrated player.
They can't even beat Bangladesh and they will win the world cup with b,c team.
They have been brought back down to earth during 2021 world cup and 2022 world cup and here by Bangladesh as well.

 

[Forum363]

Arrogant player with a big attitude problem.

 

[jnaveen1980]

You can't make that statement even with one gun team unless you are Australian team of 2000s or England side of present. But many Indian players may end up retiring without even having a look. Bishnoi after that brilliant spell against Pakistan in Asia cup is nowhere to be seen. Just one ODI. That's it. He is not even backed in the squad. Same with Kuldeep yadav whose last bowling spell was against full strength SA side was 4 for 18 this year. He is not with them. INdia has enough players. Just that they just don't pick the right people for right roles.

 

[Titan24]

It was a pretty immature statement and test of time has just proved that as the first team has not been giving good performances as well. He could have just said we could pick one more team and still compete but, to show that extra confidence he had to be over the top and say two more teams and win any competition.

Every setup has players but, there any only few which are world class and this Indian structure is no different as much as the emphasis has been on trying to prove that. Quantity of overall players, or maybe more above average players than other setups does not mean that they are all world class.

 

[MenInG]

Kamran Akmal:

"(On whether Pakistan too can form 2 teams) Pehele aap ek to bana lein thik se (First at least make one team properly). Before 2018-19, you could have made three teams due to the number of teams that were playing domestic and regional cricket."

 

[Usman Chadda]

Kamran Akmal:

"(On whether Pakistan too can form 2 teams) Pehele aap ek to bana lein thik se (First at least make one team properly). Before 2018-19, you could have made three teams due to the number of teams that were playing domestic and regional cricket."

No one from Pakistan is making such dumb comments, while the one’s who do manage to muck up in ICC tournaments constantly.

The difference between Pakistan fans and Indian fans is quite stark though, where a stupid comment like this is still vehemently defended by their fans while Pakistan fans will go out of their way to mock their players.

 

[Local.Dada]

No one from Pakistan is making such dumb comments, while the one’s who do manage to muck up in ICC tournaments constantly.

The difference between Pakistan fans and Indian fans is quite stark though, where a stupid comment like this is still vehemently defended by their fans while Pakistan fans will go out of their way to mock their players.

Firstly I won’t buy it that you are not familiar with Indian cricketer names based on the amount of time you spend on a cricket forum so how about you try to put down names of Indian cricketers you have seen recently and then figure out for yourself if there is some amount of truth to the statement.

Let me help you out here: in LOIs

Openers: Kishen, Rahul, Rohit, Gill (3/4 200 scorers in ODIs) : 2 sets of world class openers and let’s assume Dhawan is retired. There is also Rituraj and Shaw waiting in the wings

Middle order: Kohli, SKY,,Iyer, Tripathi,Hardik Pandya

Keepers: Pant, Samson, Rahul, Kishen (4 keepers who are match winning batsmen)

Spinners: Axar, Sundar, Jadeja, Kuldeep, Chahal, Bishnoi. Assuming Ashwin is retired from LOIs.

Fast bowlers: Bumrah, Shami, Siraj, Umran, Mavi, Kuldeep Sen, Khaleel, Prasidh, Thakur, Arshdeep, Harshal Patel. Not sure if Bhuvi is done. Some other bowlers waiting in the wings for debit.

I didn’t make much of an effort and came up with 20 odd names that played and performed in recent times.

India does have the bench to field 2 fully competent teams that can compete and beat anyone on their day is not such a far fetched fact as you make it seem. Obviously no team can just win the World Cup easily so maybe that’s a little exaggerated but not sure why you are so confused or making a big deal out of What Pandya said. India does have a big bench strength. Just because they lost to Pakistan in a random round robin game 2 yrs ago doesn’t override all those facts for most rational people.

 

[Usman Chadda]

Firstly I won’t buy it that you are not familiar with Indian cricketer names based on the amount of time you spend on a cricket forum so how about you try to put down names of Indian cricketers you have seen recently and then figure out for yourself if there is some amount of truth to the statement.

Let me help you out here: in LOIs

Openers: Kishen, Rahul, Rohit, Gill (3/4 200 scorers in ODIs) : 2 sets of world class openers and let’s assume Dhawan is retired. There is also Rituraj and Shaw waiting in the wings

Middle order: Kohli, SKY,,Iyer, Tripathi,Hardik Pandya

Keepers: Pant, Samson, Rahul, Kishen (4 keepers who are match winning batsmen)

Spinners: Axar, Sundar, Jadeja, Kuldeep, Chahal, Bishnoi. Assuming Ashwin is retired from LOIs.

Fast bowlers: Bumrah, Shami, Siraj, Umran, Mavi, Kuldeep Sen, Khaleel, Prasidh, Thakur, Arshdeep, Harshal Patel. Not sure if Bhuvi is done. Some other bowlers waiting in the wings for debit.

I didn’t make much of an effort and came up with 20 odd names that played and performed in recent times.

India does have the bench to field 2 fully competent teams that can compete and beat anyone on their day is not such a far fetched fact as you make it seem. Obviously no team can just win the World Cup easily so maybe that’s a little exaggerated but not sure why you are so confused or making a big deal out of What Pandya said. India does have a big bench strength. Just because they lost to Pakistan in a random round robin game 2 yrs ago doesn’t override all those facts for most rational people.

India has been mediocre in ICC tournaments. No amount of beating around the bush and listing 30 random names will change that. Pandya’s statement is a joke because India will have their work cut out winning an ICC tournament with their best team.

The last ICC tournament embarrassment had nothing to do with Pakistan, so I’m not sure why you are bringing us into the equation. You got mauled mercilessly and thrown aside by England in such a brutal manner in a semi-final match, I thought that would have hurt much more.

Which re-enforces my point, Indian fans are a lot more forgiving about their team’s failures while Pakistan fans mock their team as if their team was a world-beater to begin with

 

[Local.Dada]

India has been mediocre in ICC tournaments. No amount of beating around the bush and listing 30 random names will change that. Pandya’s statement is a joke because India will have their work cut out winning an ICC tournament with their best team.

The last ICC tournament embarrassment had nothing to do with Pakistan, so I’m not sure why you are bringing us into the equation. You got mauled mercilessly and thrown aside by England in such a brutal manner in a semi-final match, I thought that would have hurt much more.

Which re-enforces my point, Indian fans are a lot more forgiving about their team’s failures while Pakistan fans mock their team as if their team was a world-beater to begin with

Srilanka won WT20 in 2014, WI won in 2012 and 2016. How is their cricket doing?

Infact even Pakistanis finally seem to move away from CT 2017

How are all these ICC trophy winners doing both administrative wise and on-field?

Sure winning a ICC trophy matters but that’s only a part of your legacy not the entire legacy itself.

We realize our teams inability to win big games and choke and trust me no sportsman gets more abuses than the average Indian cricketer when they lose but we also have a top side in all 3 formats so don’t know why you expect Indian fans to be irrational and upset with their team all the time?

 

[RamLakhan]

Pandya was over excited probably, he should have humbly said that India can send 2 or 3 teams and those teams can compete in most tournaments and series! The meaning here is India have the players to form complete teams (i.e, it has a wide pool of opening batsmen, wicket-keepers, spinners and even pacers) in most formats. We are slightly lacking in middle-order batsmen & alrounders... But still we are good enough to build 2-3 teams. Surely these teams can compete, and who knows we may get the right combination if we spit these players into 2 or 3 teams (then right person will be playing in the right position and we will get the correct combination! More often our selectors mess up by selecting wrong players & make them bat in wrong positions, and select one-dimensional bowlers! If we split them across teams, we may actually frame better teams with better combination!) This might not be the case with most other top teams (even England - they don't probably have enough spinners! Australia may not have strong wicket-keeper bats! South Africa may not have got enough openers...)

For instance all 3 of Rahul, Rohit & Kohli (the anchors) should never play in same LOI team. (But they most often end up playing in our main team). If they are split across 3 teams, they may contribute in a better way (That's why Rahul is successful in IPL though he plays selfish innings even there, but he has played some good innings as well). Most of the times we end up dropping key players to accomodate so-called seasoned/senior players! We have seen this happening in all our recent ICC tournaments, how we end up sending mediocre squads! IPL is the best example how our players (besides foreign players) play with full potential (don't tell that money drives them OR they don't have pressure of international cricket). Our players are split across 8 to 10 IPL teams along with foreign players, so I am sure we can definitely form at least 2 if not 3 international sides which may compete better than our main team, but may or may not win series/tournaments (but will definitely play better than lower ranked sides)!

 

[gazza619]

yes Pandya is so right. I guess the only reason India lost was because they didnt get the facilities in WI.

 

[TheNeutralist]

Just praying that India loses few bilateral series, atleast then BCCI will wake up and select proper players. All the over confidence will go away.

 

[MenInG]

Just praying that India loses few bilateral series, atleast then BCCI will wake up and select proper players. All the over confidence will go away.

Feel bit of an overreaction here given that this is really the ODI WC year, so all emphasis is on ODIs.

 

[TheNeutralist]

Feel bit of an overreaction here given that this is really the ODI WC year, so all emphasis is on ODIs.

Lot of average players in all the formats, bigger changes happen only when things go bad.

 

[MenInG]

Salman Butt referring to Hardik Pandya's comment from 2021 where he stated that India can play three different teams and win any competition:

“It's not an ideal combination when their key players are not playing. If Virat Kohli, Jasprit Bumrah, Rohit Sharma are not playing, if their experienced players are missing, it's not the same thing. They say they can make three different teams. Yes, talent pool and exposure is there, but the quality without their key players shows that the team cannot perform at the same level - Senior players carry their weight, their experience makes a difference on opposition as well.”

 

[cricketjoshila]

If we only had two different team managements.

 

[Firebat]

So was this the 3rd team that just lost to WI?

 

[Sher Khan]

Am I the only one that thinks Hardik has achieved nothing substantial so far in international cricket?

 

[Rana]

Am I the only one that thinks Hardik has achieved nothing substantial so far in international cricket?

Who stood firm with Kohli to make sure India beat Pakistan at the MCG?

 

[sam_ahm]

Hardik probably got carried away at the time when he made that statement. Obviously it is not a good thing to say because there are some very good teams out there and even with a full strength team it is not easy to win tournaments, but I don't see it as arrogance. I think what he meant was that India have incredible bench strength and the replacements are almost equally good, and I agree that India have better bench strength than any other country atm.

He just got carried away and said something that keeps coming back to haunt him.

 

[MenInG]

Forget 2 teams, Pandya could lose his vc status?

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Speaking to PTI on conditions of anonymity, a BCCI source revealed the true reason behind Jasprit Bumrah being assigned the captaincy role in the Ireland T20I series, explaining that the star fast bowler is slated to be in line to become Rohit's deputy in the Asia Cup as well as World Cup.

"Bumrah could give Hardik a tough competition as far as ODI vice-captaincy is concerned. Let's not forget in terms of leadership seniority, Bumrah became India captain before Hardik (vs England in Test match at Oval). He also was vice-captain of ODI side during tour of South Africa (early 2022). So he is also in line," he said.

 

[Cryin Out Loud]

Aged like fine milk.

 

[Kianig89]

Forget 2 team this grandpa XI Australia side was enough to conquer mission Ahmedabad

 

[Savak]

Any thread dismissing Australian chances in any competition should be shut down immediately. Biggest lesson of the tournament

 

[hamzie]

maybe they shouldve fielded one of the other so called 2 teams

 

[Amjid Javed]

love it when Indians arrogance gets a slap of reality.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Hardik bhai what's the use of having three teams when you still can't win any major ICC event?