"We don't want to play international fixtures in Pakistan right at this moment" : BCB President

[Abdullah719]

"We don't want to play international fixtures in Pakistan right at this moment" : BCB President

Bangladesh Cricket Board (BCB) president Nazmul Hassan informed that the board has not intention to play international matches in Pakistan at this moment.

The FTP schedule for this year did not have Bangladesh travelling to Pakistan and the security issues in the country had resulted in Pakistan playing their home matches in the UAE. BCB had announced a 16-member squad for the eight-nation Emerging Asia Cup tournament on November 29 and the BCB and newly elected ACC president admitted that there were security issues.

"It's true that there are security related issues. I myself visited Pakistan and took part in meetings to discuss the matter of security. I don't think any problem will arise and we will be taking measures of our own and send our own security experts there," the presdent informed today when asked about the security for the Emeging Asia Cup.

Asked on the matter of playing international fixtures in Pakistan, he replied: For now the decision is that we will play Pakistan in neutral venues. When our women's team was there, they were provided good security. Before that Sri Lanka went there and we are also looking at what ICC are thinking. If we don't see any security threats and ICC gives positive signal then we will think about it. The decision for now is that we don't want to play international fixtures in Pakistan right at this moment," the president concluded.

https://www.thedailystar.net/sports...nternational-fixtures-pakistan-moment-1668175

 

[Abdullah719]

ACC chief Nazmul wants more India-Pakistan matches

Nazmul made this statement when queried if he, as the ACC president, will put in any effort in improving the cricket relations between India and Pakistan.


Recently appointed Asian Cricket Council chairman and BCB president Nazmul Hasan said India and Pakistan should play more cricket between themselves, based on the two sides’ popularity.

A game of cricket between arch-rivals India and Pakistan is still the most watched match in the cricketing world and this fact should encourage the two sides to play more matches between themselves, said Nazmul.

Deteriorating political relations between India and Pakistan over the years has seen the two countries stop hosting each other.

The only time the two sides meet each other is during multi-nation ICC and ACC events.

The last time the two sides met in a bilateral series was during Pakistan’s tour of India in 2012-13.

Tourist Pakistan during their 13-day long tour played three ODIs and two T20Is against host India.

Back then, this was the first bilateral series between the two cricket giants in five years.

Nazmul made this statement when queried if he, as the ACC president, will put in any effort in improving the cricket relations between India and Pakistan.

“I want cricket to be at its place. Pakistan-India game is still the most viewed match in world cricket. Considering that fact, we think they should play against each other. And at the same time, in order to develop cricket in Asia, there should be more cricket between these two countries,” said Nazmul to the media at Sher-e-Bangla National Stadium in Mirpur Sunday.

“To be honest, this is a big issue and I will have a discussion on this. I am confident that there will be matches played between them. Both the BCCI and its players want to play against Pakistan. But there are issues which the cricket boards cannot solve,” the ACC and BCB chief added.

Bangladesh are sending their U-23 team to Pakistan to participate in the ACC Emerging Teams Asia Cup.

The occasion is the second of the BCB sending a national level team to Pakistan after Bangladesh women’s team toured the violence-hit nation in 2015.

The Bangladesh U-23 team consist of six national cricketers.

Bangladesh are placed in Group B alongside host Pakistan, Hong Kong and UAE while Group A comprises Sri Lanka, Afghanistan, India and Oman.

The tournament will be jointly hosted by Pakistan and Sri Lanka.

All the Group B matches will be played in Pakistan while Group A games will be played in Sri Lanka.

The BCB agreed to send a team to Pakistan only after strong assurance of adequate security by the Pakistan cricket authorities.

The Bangladesh U-23 team are scheduled to leave Dhaka Monday.

“The tournament is being played in two parts. Our first phase matches are in Pakistan and we will play matches in Sri Lanka if we qualify. India have issues touring Pakistan so we (Bangladesh) also cannot put objection and put the tournament in jeopardy,” Nazmul clarified.

“It is true that there is security concern in Pakistan. But I have recently visited there and spoke of the security arrangement. We are sending the team only after getting strong security assurance. We ourselves have taken some measures which include sending representatives to ***** security arrangements,” said Nazmul, who was appointed ACC chief last month.

https://www.dhakatribune.com/sport/...hief-nazmul-wants-more-india-pakistan-matches

 

[Pete Rose]

Incoming fire on how we helped Bangladesh and they don’t know their place

 

[hafeezrocks]

and some folks were expecting Australians and English Cricketers to tour Pakistan .

Yaha tou Bangaldeshi Cricketer bhi aaney ko tayaar nahee.

 

[the Great Khan]

and some folks were expecting Australians and English Cricketers to tour Pakistan .

Yaha tou Bangaldeshi Cricketer bhi aaney ko tayaar nahee.

well actually if your read what he said is that currently the senior team isnt going to play in pakistan. But he is willing to send his women and young players. Just not the seniors. Kyon? are women and childrens lives not worth anything in bangladesh? or perhaps this is a gradual phase in which they will eventually send a team. They dont want to anger their new sugar daddy the BCCI afterall..

 

[Godhelpma]

Thread title is not suitable , it needs to be changed .

 

[Buffet]

well actually if your read what he said is that currently the senior team isnt going to play in pakistan. But he is willing to send his women and young players. Just not the seniors. Kyon? are women and childrens lives not worth anything in bangladesh? or perhaps this is a gradual phase in which they will eventually send a team. They dont want to anger their new sugar daddy the BCCI afterall..

Pakistani players are less likely to get attacked than white players.

BD junior and women teams are less likely to get attacked than BD international senior team.

Threat perception being different doesn't mean that one life is less valuable than other. Terrorists wants to gain publicity and they are likely to go after target getting them most publicity.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

Incoming fire on how we helped Bangladesh and they don’t know their place

End of thread

It is kinda true tho.

 

[Markhor]

Lot of caveats in that statement - "for now", "at this moment", "looking to ICC".

If the emerging teams fixtures goes off without a hitch then it sounds like next year we may have a better chance of inviting them over.

 

[Hitman]

This is gonna ruffle a lot of feathers.

 

[Hitman]

Let's forget ego issues for a moment, don't you think a series between both the nations would generate good money for the PCB? Please be honest.

 

[Mamoon]

The chip on on our shoulder is heavy, but we have lost 6 out of our last 7 LOIs against them, and they have been some thrashings of epic proportions.

Henceforth, as much as it pains us, we are (a) not in the position to trash talk and (b) we should consider ourselves lucky for avoiding the inevitable humiliation.

Bangladesh have cracked the Pakistan code and we do not seem to have an answer to them at the point.

And yes I am aware of our flawless record from 2000 to 2014 and that 3 of the 6 thumpings came under the doomed tutelage of Azhar.

 

[silent ischemia]

Let's forget ego issues for a moment, don't you think a series between both the nations would generate good money for the PCB? Please be honest.

Under the current circumstances series with any team will generate money. Compared to BD, Afghanistan is more likely to generate more money due to the huge Afghan/Pushtun population living here

 

[Josh]

Pakistani players are less likely to get attacked than white players.

BD junior and women teams are less likely to get attacked than BD international senior team.

Threat perception being different doesn't mean that one life is less valuable than other. Terrorists wants to gain publicity and they are likely to go after target getting them most publicity.

This! It's simple. Sometimes people take it too deep. Bangladesh vs Pakistan will definitely be exciting and bring lot of money to both the boards. But the concerns are valid.

 

[PakLFC]

I am sick and tired of Pak thrashing Bangladesh anyway. We need to play bigger sides not minnows like them. Pak will remember Nazmul's words good and well until we next take them to the cleaners.

 

[Hadi Rizvi]

I am sick and tired of Pak thrashing Bangladesh anyway. We need to play bigger sides not minnows like them. Pak will remember Nazmul's words good and well until we next take them to the cleaners.

Yeah it always saddens me to see Shakib and Mushfiqur cry and console each other.

 

[Executioner]

I am sick and tired of Pak thrashing Bangladesh anyway. We need to play bigger sides not minnows like them. Pak will remember Nazmul's words good and well until we next take them to the cleaners.

Ironically, in recent times its Pakistan who have taken a beating

 

[omorst7]

I am sick and tired of Pak thrashing Bangladesh anyway. We need to play bigger sides not minnows like them. Pak will remember Nazmul's words good and well until we next take them to the cleaners.

Last four occasions you lost !!!

 

[KingKhanWC]

Ironically, in recent times its Pakistan who have taken a beating

One Asia cup win and a home series win a couple of years ago for Bangladesh?

Regardless Bangladesh should just come and play their home and away series in the UAE. Over 6 tests Pakistan should dominate at least 5. Bangladesh are still a minnow side in tests.

 

[Executioner]

One Asia cup win and a home series win a couple of years ago for Bangladesh?

Regardless Bangladesh should just come and play their home and away series in the UAE. Over 6 tests Pakistan should dominate at least 5. Bangladesh are still a minnow side in tests.

True we are minnows in tests.

And it is PCB who doesn't want to host us

 

[Hawkeye]

With BD, it's not that simple. Lots of politics involved, their government in particular is against it and is very pro-IND. Will do anything to keep Pak held back.

It's not a case of other neutral sides who genuinely do not want Pak to remain in a crisis situation.

It's possible that some people in the BCB board itself want cricket to triumph. So, they could use the women and U23 tours to lobby the govt to allow and send the international team.

After this emerging cup there would be no excuse left for BD, especially after Nazmul himself was here and witnessed the arrangements.

If after this too they don't tour, it will be pure towing the IND line.

Not gonna be good for Asian cricket bloc and bad for BCB in the long term, as they're still minnows and would need Pak support.

 

[Mamoon]

One Asia cup win and a home series win a couple of years ago for Bangladesh?

Regardless Bangladesh should just come and play their home and away series in the UAE. Over 6 tests Pakistan should dominate at least 5. Bangladesh are still a minnow side in tests.

We were a much better Test team than them with Younis and Misbah. However, without them, there is not a big gap between the two sides on Asian wickets. If Bangladesh win the toss, they can beat us.

Our batsmen will struggle against any spinner on a crumbling, fourth innings Asian wicket, and their batsman will play Yasir much better than the Kiwis.

 

[rhony]

well actually if your read what he said is that currently the senior team isnt going to play in pakistan. But he is willing to send his women and young players. Just not the seniors. Kyon? are women and childrens lives not worth anything in bangladesh? or perhaps this is a gradual phase in which they will eventually send a team. They dont want to anger their new sugar daddy the BCCI afterall..

There is more attention for men's international games.

 

[gazza619]

I would actually love to see Pakistan tour Bangladesh for a full tour. 3 tests, 5 ODIs and 3 T20s. Considering they have beaten us on a few ocassions recently we need to see what our new team is made up of.

 

[topspin]

Bangladesh is well within its right to refuse to play Pakistan but they should not shriek and lose the plot when they get left hang to dry from the likes of Australia in respect of away tours.

 

[KingKhanWC]

We were a much better Test team than them with Younis and Misbah. However, without them, there is not a big gap between the two sides on Asian wickets. If Bangladesh win the toss, they can beat us.

Our batsmen will struggle against any spinner on a crumbling, fourth innings Asian wicket, and their batsman will play Yasir much better than the Kiwis.

Maybe if there is sharp spin and they have a lead but overall Pak batsmen should be able to handle the Bangaladeshi attack, they have no fast bowler and rely only on spin with a spinning wicket for help.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Maybe if there is sharp spin and they have a lead but overall Pak batsmen should be able to handle the Bangaladeshi attack, they have no fast bowler and rely only on spin with a spinning wicket for help.

Bangladesh spin bowling is quite potent, and Pakistan are no longer great against spin. Also Bangladesh batting is pretty good on Asian tracks, Mominul and Mushfiqur are great against spin.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

Nobody wants to host you minnows.

 

[DRsohail]

Nobody wants to host you minnows.

Minnows have deqfeated us 5 out of 6 times I think.in the last 3?years.

 

[PakLFC]

Last four occasions you lost !!!

4 isn't nearly enough overall.

 

[Flat_Track_Bully]

PCB needs to cancel relations with BCB. Deal with more important boards.

 

[RainMan_]

well actually if your read what he said is that currently the senior team isnt going to play in pakistan. But he is willing to send his women and young players. Just not the seniors. Kyon? are women and childrens lives not worth anything in bangladesh? or perhaps this is a gradual phase in which they will eventually send a team. They dont want to anger their new sugar daddy the BCCI afterall..

It not true. BCB is a professional board and they care about the betterment of Bangladesh Cricket only.

Last time when BCCI got out voted in the general meeting of ICC its BCB who played the most IMPORTANT role.

As a matter of fact PCB should be greatfull that we r sending our women cricket team there especially if we we consider the fact that PCB cancelled their last tour of Bangladesh without citing any valid reason. They still haven't invited us for a full fledged series in UAE even though in terms of fan support we will easily outnumber Pakistan in UAE.

It's the incompetent PCB officials who r the real culprit. Bangladesh is one of the fastest growing nations in the world right now and it reflects in the financial of BCB as well. PCB will gain nothing by going against BCB. PCB is a weak board. THEY simply don't have the resources to INTIMIDATE a financially strong board like BCB.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

Don’t think Pakistan is safe for a foreign team to be playing cricket also cricket is not that popular in Pakistan anymore. The stadiums in UAE always looked empty, only the match against India was full

 

[Savak]

It not true. BCB is a professional board and they care about the betterment of Bangladesh Cricket only.

Last time when BCCI got out voted in the general meeting of ICC its BCB who played the most IMPORTANT role.

As a matter of fact PCB should be greatfull that we r sending our women cricket team there especially if we we consider the fact that PCB cancelled their last tour of Bangladesh without citing any valid reason. They still haven't invited us for a full fledged series in UAE even though in terms of fan support we will easily outnumber Pakistan in UAE.

It's the incompetent PCB officials who r the real culprit. Bangladesh is one of the fastest growing nations in the world right now and it reflects in the financial of BCB as well. PCB will gain nothing by going against BCB. PCB is a weak board. THEY simply don't have the resources to INTIMIDATE a financially strong board like BCB.

The reason to refuse to tour Bangladesh was justified under the pretext that the PCB had toured Bangladesh 3 times in a row whereas the BCB refused to tour Pakistan twice, first after giving a false promise of agreeing to tour Pakistan in exchange for PCB support for the BCB chairman's ICC canditure for President and the second time the BCB made excuses that the high court in their country halted their cricket team from touring and later the PCB discovered that the BCB made no serious effort to challenge the decision.

Secondly where is the proof of BCB's financial strength, the PCB inspite of its apparent financial tightness has run the PSL successfully for 3 seasons in a row and without any payment issues to foreign players, which any FICA criticism.

 

[Savak]

Don’t think Pakistan is safe for a foreign team to be playing cricket also cricket is not that popular in Pakistan anymore. The stadiums in UAE always looked empty, only the match against India was full

The 15 international matches in Pakistan from 2015 onwards and jampacked stadiums in Pakistan say otherwise.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

The 15 international matches in Pakistan from 2015 onwards and jampacked stadiums in Pakistan say otherwise.

Look man right now it’s election year in Pakistan, we all know Hasina is one of the most clever politician in Bangladesh, not just Bangladesh probably the world. Let’s invite West Indies and thrash them, aam stupid janta will be busy with cricket while we can win the unfair election again. Cricket is like wwe nowadays

 

[SensiblePakFan]

Hence why the PCB stopped asking you.

 

[SensiblePakFan]

Pretty ridiculous how his reason is security issues even as he himself visited.

 

[Hawkeye]

BCB is as immature as some of their cricketers.

Plus, political pressure from their govt to harm PCB as much as possible doesn't help either.

This will hurt them in the long run. They should know it as they too are a victim, e.g. Aus tour.

Nazmul has already toured Pak and knows it is fine for intl cricket.

His chance to take BCB forward starts now. International tour following the emerging cup tour will be important.

 

[chacha kashmiri]

Pakistani players are less likely to get attacked than white players.

BD junior and women teams are less likely to get attacked than BD international senior team.

Threat perception being different doesn't mean that one life is less valuable than other. Terrorists wants to gain publicity and they are likely to go after target getting them most publicity.

Interesting analysis
Is this based on crime forensics , terrorist victim profiling or icc reports?

I know Sri Lankan players were attacked but there’s been more brown people attached on Pakistani soil than white people

 

[Varun]

Everybody bar India has toured the UAE since Pakistan started playing there.

How come Bangladesh haven't?

 

[ARK Rafay]

Don’t think Pakistan is safe for a foreign team to be playing cricket also cricket is not that popular in Pakistan anymore. The stadiums in UAE always looked empty, only the match against India was full

IMO Pakistan can host matches and is safe now. But the level of safety is debatable and up to governments and boards. And no! Cricket is still in our blood. People (Myself) even went to the stadium to watch that West Indies C side. Stadiums were jam-packed on every occasion.

So far there have been at least 10 International games played here in Pakistan since 2015.

 

[light]

well actually if your read what he said is that currently the senior team isnt going to play in pakistan. But he is willing to send his women and young players. Just not the seniors. Kyon? are women and childrens lives not worth anything in bangladesh? or perhaps this is a gradual phase in which they will eventually send a team. They dont want to anger their new sugar daddy the BCCI afterall..

You really don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize that the Senior team being targeted will be more benifical for the radicals than the unknown junior/women team. Attacking the senior team will cause a larger havoc. Everyone in the cricketing world already realizes this, except few dilusional pakistani fans. If you really feel upset about this situation, should be blaming your government here, not other countries for not touring. Even us non bangladeshi supporters can see it, wonder why some of you guys can't?

 

[the Great Khan]

You really don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize that the Senior team being targeted will be more benifical for the radicals than the unknown junior/women team. Attacking the senior team will cause a larger havoc. Everyone in the cricketing world already realizes this, except few dilusional pakistani fans. If you really feel upset about this situation, should be blaming your government here, not other countries for not touring. Even us non bangladeshi supporters can see it, wonder why some of you guys can't?

Because it was ten years ago. When is enough enough? why don't you and the "rest of the world" tell us when our "punishment" will end? Afterall the "rest of the world" didn't punish Germany for Munich? they punished the perpetrators. They didn't Punish France and Holland for the attack on their stadium. wheres solidarity for us? oh yes there isnt any. I wonder why? perhaps because "the rest of the world" wants to punish Pakistan and its people even though it says that's not whats going on now.

Collective punishment is a punishment only reserved for certain countries like Palestine and Pakistan, Iran etc..

 

[MMHS]

Because it was ten years ago. When is enough enough? why don't you and the "rest of the world" tell us when our "punishment" will end? Afterall the "rest of the world" didn't punish Germany for Munich? they punished the perpetrators. They didn't Punish France and Holland for the attack on their stadium. wheres solidarity for us? oh yes there isnt any. I wonder why? perhaps because "the rest of the world" wants to punish Pakistan and its people even though it says that's not whats going on now.

Collective punishment is a punishment only reserved for certain countries like Palestine and Pakistan, Iran etc..

Good question, let me give you my honest answer here - hope you can digest.

First of all, no place in earth is full proof - if people can die inside Pentagon from terrorist attacks, no one can garuntee full proof safety.

But, security proofs has lot to do with credibility, probably more than capability. PCB (PAK as a state) has lost it’s credibility & I can tell you, there is a genuine lack of trust in PAK’s security agencies. Any country is capable of protecting 25 foreigners for 8 weeks, unless there is a neuclear attack, but it doesn’t give confidence when you are not sure about the motive of the guy protecting you. Got angry - I give you a classic example: one of the strongest military in world and an unique intelligence service (ISI is probably only national intelligence agenncy in world without any control from civil Administration) .... yet Usama Bin Laden lived within shooting distance of PAK’s military academy - for 5 years, with biwi, bacchho. What do you make of this - PAK’s security agencies are incompetent, novice, corrupt .... or there is a strong sect among the agencies, who are motivated with different ideology? You might not agree, but enough for someone (cricket boards) accountable for national team’s safety.

Last time, when SRL team was attacked, I read couple of alarming excuses - 1. Our rangers tried, 9 people died .... but the attack was so well planned and executed with proficiency that not much could be done - come on, few goons with Kalashnikov, open fiered for 3-4 minutes on a highly secured convoy at the heart of the most secured metro of PAK, and then left with job well accomplished!!!!!! 2. Proper security couldn’t be ensured because of the strike by opposition- Punjab police was busy to manage riots!!!!!!! Do you think, these are professional excuses? Those people attacking SRL team actually didn’t want to hurt players, rather they just made sure that PAK is exposed to global audiences; otherwise they could have used hand Grenades & mortar shells to wipe out the entire convoy.


I don’t think, bringing Iran or Palestine helps here much, apart from some desperate effort of victimisation - the amount of support PCB or PAK cricket has revived from ICC and its members ... they actually don’t deserve it. From fixing, doping to illegal substances trafficking PAK cricket has created enough trouble around to be boycotted. Add to that the antics of your board and it’s office bearers .... imagine the treatment SAF & it’s cricketers received 50 years back. Filing case, threatening, withdrawing from tour .... what else do you expect? ICC gave PCB a life line to convince teams touring PAK in WC 2011 (boycotting to travel in WC is not new - we have seen that in 1996 & 2007), and SLCB came with good spirits in PCB’s help ... then they were thrown in front of wolves!!!! Come on, think what would be your reaction if you were not a Pakistani.

I can categorically write here in records that your board chairmen are liars. They manipulate situations for cheap media mileage and sell it to naive fans. Sethi got humiliated by BCCI and that tool Zaka Ashraf is still fooling lots of PAK Passioners here. One of my relative was BCB director & he was in that meeting itself where a possible BD tour to PAK was discussed - and I can tell you that, for every commitment, BCB covered it with a clause - “subject to Govt clearance”. In fact they can’t commit any foreign tour without noc from foreign office, which is a standard procedure everywhere. Zaka Ashraf told you guys at airport that BD will tour PAK, but forgot to mention -“subject to Govt clearance”.

Players were called to report for tour practice, national selectors were instructed to pick only players willing to travel ... until someone got a stay order from High Court on the tour, considering PAK’s state as a travel destination. And, it was a proper trial - against BCB’s lawyers, they brought Journalists, foreigners, NGO workers, security experts, diplomats in the witness box - and this will be the case every time BCB agrees to send a team under national colour. Instead of helping PAK, BCB actually needs help from PAK in regard to it’s status as a touring destination... these bulling won’t work and I really feel sorry for those desperate souls who think BCB is following BCCi’s instructions here. You’ll have to keep believing for many, many years in that route unfortunately.

Unless, PAK’s status is changed as a high risk country, don’t think 1-2-5 or 10 years matter much here. You probably carry a British passport - try travelling sometimes with PAK passport .... almost every airport, you should realise what I am telling, if you haven’t gone through that yey. Still, whatever scope was there, your arrogant board has made sure that PAK is alone here .... otherwise don’t ever think that ENG & AUS toured BD within few months of a major attack at the heart of Dhaka only because they had financial crisis, a possible threat of BCB boycotting them or as some trolls like to belive here - upsetting BCCI, by not touring BD��.

And, first of all - start changing own perception- even BCCI isn’t your enemy, otherwise they can shut out cricket for PAK - these days no one messes with FTP or pre agreement - BCCI can offer counter tours with their C & D teams and still it’ll earn more money to share than your UAE model home tours. PAK’s most frequent tour partners are SRL, WIN & ZIM .... I hope you can understand what BCCI can get out of them by comiting one tour every year - he it Indian B, C or D squad. Start to belive that your board is the most incompetent, corrupt, manipulative and arrogant- that day, things might start to change. It’s the PAK people can help PAK cricket by shaping PCB .... bulling, cursing, defaming BCB won’t help much.

 

[Ashraful_Rox]

What MMHS just said, I agree. PCB is blaming everyone like it’s being bullied but seems like they are the most manipulative and incompetent board around.

 

[Canford Cliffs]

Brilliant post by [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION]

 

[zarak]

The chip on on our shoulder is heavy, but we have lost 6 out of our last 7 LOIs against them, and they have been some thrashings of epic proportions.

Henceforth, as much as it pains us, we are (a) not in the position to trash talk and (b) we should consider ourselves lucky for avoiding the inevitable humiliation.

Bangladesh have cracked the Pakistan code and we do not seem to have an answer to them at the point.

And yes I am aware of our flawless record from 2000 to 2014 and that 3 of the 6 thumpings came under the doomed tutelage of Azhar.

I wouldn't say crack the code. we lost to them in 2015 three times and once in 2018.

We beat them in a few t20s in between. We would have to play a full series to see if they have cracked the code. which I think they have not

 

[DRsohail]

Good question, let me give you my honest answer here - hope you can digest.

First of all, no place in earth is full proof - if people can die inside Pentagon from terrorist attacks, no one can garuntee full proof safety.

But, security proofs has lot to do with credibility, probably more than capability. PCB (PAK as a state) has lost it’s credibility & I can tell you, there is a genuine lack of trust in PAK’s security agencies. Any country is capable of protecting 25 foreigners for 8 weeks, unless there is a neuclear attack, but it doesn’t give confidence when you are not sure about the motive of the guy protecting you. Got angry - I give you a classic example: one of the strongest military in world and an unique intelligence service (ISI is probably only national intelligence agenncy in world without any control from civil Administration) .... yet Usama Bin Laden lived within shooting distance of PAK’s military academy - for 5 years, with biwi, bacchho. What do you make of this - PAK’s security agencies are incompetent, novice, corrupt .... or there is a strong sect among the agencies, who are motivated with different ideology? You might not agree, but enough for someone (cricket boards) accountable for national team’s safety.

Last time, when SRL team was attacked, I read couple of alarming excuses - 1. Our rangers tried, 9 people died .... but the attack was so well planned and executed with proficiency that not much could be done - come on, few goons with Kalashnikov, open fiered for 3-4 minutes on a highly secured convoy at the heart of the most secured metro of PAK, and then left with job well accomplished!!!!!! 2. Proper security couldn’t be ensured because of the strike by opposition- Punjab police was busy to manage riots!!!!!!! Do you think, these are professional excuses? Those people attacking SRL team actually didn’t want to hurt players, rather they just made sure that PAK is exposed to global audiences; otherwise they could have used hand Grenades & mortar shells to wipe out the entire convoy.


I don’t think, bringing Iran or Palestine helps here much, apart from some desperate effort of victimisation - the amount of support PCB or PAK cricket has revived from ICC and its members ... they actually don’t deserve it. From fixing, doping to illegal substances trafficking PAK cricket has created enough trouble around to be boycotted. Add to that the antics of your board and it’s office bearers .... imagine the treatment SAF & it’s cricketers received 50 years back. Filing case, threatening, withdrawing from tour .... what else do you expect? ICC gave PCB a life line to convince teams touring PAK in WC 2011 (boycotting to travel in WC is not new - we have seen that in 1996 & 2007), and SLCB came with good spirits in PCB’s help ... then they were thrown in front of wolves!!!! Come on, think what would be your reaction if you were not a Pakistani.

I can categorically write here in records that your board chairmen are liars. They manipulate situations for cheap media mileage and sell it to naive fans. Sethi got humiliated by BCCI and that tool Zaka Ashraf is still fooling lots of PAK Passioners here. One of my relative was BCB director & he was in that meeting itself where a possible BD tour to PAK was discussed - and I can tell you that, for every commitment, BCB covered it with a clause - “subject to Govt clearance”. In fact they can’t commit any foreign tour without noc from foreign office, which is a standard procedure everywhere. Zaka Ashraf told you guys at airport that BD will tour PAK, but forgot to mention -“subject to Govt clearance”.

Players were called to report for tour practice, national selectors were instructed to pick only players willing to travel ... until someone got a stay order from High Court on the tour, considering PAK’s state as a travel destination. And, it was a proper trial - against BCB’s lawyers, they brought Journalists, foreigners, NGO workers, security experts, diplomats in the witness box - and this will be the case every time BCB agrees to send a team under national colour. Instead of helping PAK, BCB actually needs help from PAK in regard to it’s status as a touring destination... these bulling won’t work and I really feel sorry for those desperate souls who think BCB is following BCCi’s instructions here. You’ll have to keep believing for many, many years in that route unfortunately.

Unless, PAK’s status is changed as a high risk country, don’t think 1-2-5 or 10 years matter much here. You probably carry a British passport - try travelling sometimes with PAK passport .... almost every airport, you should realise what I am telling, if you haven’t gone through that yey. Still, whatever scope was there, your arrogant board has made sure that PAK is alone here .... otherwise don’t ever think that ENG & AUS toured BD within few months of a major attack at the heart of Dhaka only because they had financial crisis, a possible threat of BCB boycotting them or as some trolls like to belive here - upsetting BCCI, by not touring BD��.

And, first of all - start changing own perception- even BCCI isn’t your enemy, otherwise they can shut out cricket for PAK - these days no one messes with FTP or pre agreement - BCCI can offer counter tours with their C & D teams and still it’ll earn more money to share than your UAE model home tours. PAK’s most frequent tour partners are SRL, WIN & ZIM .... I hope you can understand what BCCI can get out of them by comiting one tour every year - he it Indian B, C or D squad. Start to belive that your board is the most incompetent, corrupt, manipulative and arrogant- that day, things might start to change. It’s the PAK people can help PAK cricket by shaping PCB .... bulling, cursing, defaming BCB won’t help much.

I could not agree more. I was listening to bak bak and nonsense going on here but I did not comment and was waiting for some sanity to prevail but you fired it right at the centre of the target.I was thinking the same victim mentality but when I grew up and pp here changed my mind. We all with victim mentality are hiding our flaws and just keep throwing rubbish everywhere. The chest thumping from Sen fans here was hilarious knowing we have been deafted by their team 6 out of 7 time we played them and that too owitu heavy margins.

 

[hitthestump]

Politically motivated decision. Wish we could go back to the days when it was just about cricket rather than making money.

 

[Mamoon]

I wouldn't say crack the code. we lost to them in 2015 three times and once in 2018.

We beat them in a few t20s in between. We would have to play a full series to see if they have cracked the code. which I think they have not

We only beat them once in-between, the World T20 2016 game. Bangladesh had a serious mental block against us and lost every close game for many years. Multan 2003, Asia Cup Final 2012, Asia Cup 2014 etc. They surrender match-winning positions in all those games. However, they have managed to overcome their fears now.

 

[light]

Because it was ten years ago. When is enough enough? why don't you and the "rest of the world" tell us when our "punishment" will end? Afterall the "rest of the world" didn't punish Germany for Munich? they punished the perpetrators. They didn't Punish France and Holland for the attack on their stadium. wheres solidarity for us? oh yes there isnt any. I wonder why? perhaps because "the rest of the world" wants to punish Pakistan and its people even though it says that's not whats going on now.

Collective punishment is a punishment only reserved for certain countries like Palestine and Pakistan, Iran etc..

Once again, take of the pakistani hat and think of the situation from an outsider point of view. No one is here to punish Pakistan but your government did a mess and is not cleaning it up. Whose fault is that? Outsiders or your governments? You say 10 years is enough, there doesn't go by a couple of months before we hear something related to bomb being blasted here, death there, and the list goes on. Don't point the finger at others, point it towards your government.

Now, I might be completely wrong, maybe one of the SANE BD bosters can correct me on this (rainman and ashraful_rox stay out of this - you guys are far from sane here) - if PCB did not screw up the relationship with BCB with threats, I have a feeling ties with BCB would have been strong and you guys would have seen BD senior teams in Pakistani stadium playing cricket by now. BCB is not financially unstable anymore so they don't need to butter up anymore. Any BD poster here? Would like to hear your opinion on this. [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] you are by far the most sane and knowledgable BD poster here, your thoughts?

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Politically motivated decision. Wish we could go back to the days when it was just about cricket rather than making money.

It will be about cricket when Pakistan becomes safe from terrorists. Life comes before sports.

 

[dani2k]

One of the endearing images of this sorry episode is that of Sanga consoling his pregnant wife as she wept inconsolably when they met at the Airport. We need to realize that sportsmen are not soldiers and the emotional toil that their near and dear have to undergo when such unfortunate incidents do happen. (Not to suggest that a soldier's life is any less or the emotional toil that his family has to go through if he is martyred).

When I saw pictures of gunmen coolly walking away I seriously wondered "what the heck!". Not sure if at all any serious investigation took place and anyone was arrested. It is unfortunate that a Pakistani fan cannot watch his own team in his soil and the public and players are poorer for that. Now that foreign teams are refusing to tour Pakistan and a former cricketer is running the country, why don't the fans put pressure on the government to address the matter and come out with something concrete?

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

Lot of caveats in that statement - "for now", "at this moment", "looking to ICC".

If the emerging teams fixtures goes off without a hitch then it sounds like next year we may have a better chance of inviting them over.

At UAE first.

 

[Executioner]

MMHS has singlehandedly destroyed all those after BCB

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

The reason to refuse to tour Bangladesh was justified under the pretext that the PCB had toured Bangladesh 3 times in a row whereas the BCB refused to tour Pakistan twice, first after giving a false promise of agreeing to tour Pakistan in exchange for PCB support for the BCB chairman's ICC canditure for President and the second time the BCB made excuses that the high court in their country halted their cricket team from touring and later the PCB discovered that the BCB made no serious effort to challenge the decision.

Secondly where is the proof of BCB's financial strength, the PCB inspite of its apparent financial tightness has run the PSL successfully for 3 seasons in a row and without any payment issues to foreign players, which any FICA criticism.

One of the pak tour was pak's home tour as pak was paid for that . why lie???

 

[JaanZeb]

A lot of negativity on this forum. One should judge by the actions rather than the words. And this BCB executive is the one who finally has sent a high performance squad to Pakistan. Even though Pakistan has not sent a team to Bangladesh for 3 years. There is slow progress and its more important.

Bangladesh is not a commercial priority for PCB [same as other boards] who are looking upto T20 formats. And local teams are much more economically feasible for them to earn revenue.

Difficult to see Pakistan ever host Bangladesh in UAE.

 

[Savak]

One of the pak tour was pak's home tour as pak was paid for that . why lie???

Right one tour the PCB agreed to Bangladesh as compensation for Bang refusal to Play Pakistan in Pakistan and even then the PCB accepted a deal to share only a fraction of the revenues from that tour. But overall the PCB toured Bang thrice. Why should the PCB tour Bangladesh 4 times without the BCB holding up their end of the bargain even once?

 

[Executioner]

Also before someone brings up the fact that "We don't need them, they are minnows"

BD and India are two money spinners in world cricket, the latter far more but BD isn't insignificant anymore. Do you know that BPL pays more money to its marquee players than leagues like BPL, PSL, CPL, We have packed crowds and our local companies even sponsor series in Ireland, Zim, WI, heck even Lanka and NZ too. A series against BD earns PCB 5 times the profit a series against Lanka and WI does.

Now before people talking nonsense like "heritage" "world cup" etc, cricket is a game played in the present, no one cares about history channel. Pakistan fans would rather watch BD-Pak game than a Pak-WI game for that matter.

See one of the thing that erks BCB and BD fans is that PCB has been bullying BD into touring Pakistan. They have never hosted us in UAE, thinking if BD tours UAE they will never go to Pakistan. Eventually PCB is trying to degrade BCB and BD cricket team, the basic fact that they are not worthy.

 

[Executioner]

Right one tour the PCB agreed to Bangladesh as compensation for Bang refusal to Play Pakistan in Pakistan and even then the PCB accepted a deal to share only a fraction of the revenues from that tour. But overall the PCB toured Bang thrice. Why should the PCB tour Bangladesh 4 times without the BCB holding up their end of the bargain even once?

WAIT WHAT?

Pakistan invites Aus, SA, England, WI, SL, NZ, etc to UAE. Why don't you invite us?

 

[Abdullah719]

Emerging Teams Asia Cup 2018

The PCB has made foolproof security arrangements for the event which will continue will 9th December in Karachi as it sees the tournament as an opportunity to showcase its capability to host top-level cricket at its grounds.

And the arrangements has impressed Bangladesh captain Nurul Hassan who committed that to convey positive report back to his board.

“It’s a nice place to play cricket, I hope other teams also start touring Pakistan and I will also tell my board about the arrangements made here,” he said.

https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/2018/12/05/rizwan-awaits-return-to-national-side/

 

[ahsan17]

The post is too long and I don't have very much time, so I'll respond in parts.

Good question, let me give you my honest answer here - hope you can digest.

First of all, no place in earth is full proof - if people can die inside Pentagon from terrorist attacks, no one can garuntee full proof safety.

But, security proofs has lot to do with credibility, probably more than capability. PCB (PAK as a state) has lost it’s credibility & I can tell you, there is a genuine lack of trust in PAK’s security agencies. Any country is capable of protecting 25 foreigners for 8 weeks, unless there is a neuclear attack, but it doesn’t give confidence when you are not sure about the motive of the guy protecting you.

Now there is an independent third party, employed by ICC, ran by Reg Dickason, that is overseeing the security arrangements. Your analogy to the past therefore is not valid.

Got angry - I give you a classic example: one of the strongest military in world and an unique intelligence service (ISI is probably only national intelligence agenncy in world without any control from civil Administration) .... yet Usama Bin Laden lived within shooting distance of PAK’s military academy - for 5 years, with biwi, bacchho. What do you make of this - PAK’s security agencies are incompetent, novice, corrupt .... or there is a strong sect among the agencies, who are motivated with different ideology? You might not agree, but enough for someone (cricket boards) accountable for national team’s safety.

You are again comparing two very different things. A terrorist hiding a house secretly and protecting cricket teams are two very different things. We can discuss the security failure behind OBL hiding in Pakistan separately. If you want to tie this back to security not being trusted, read my previous point.

Last time, when SRL team was attacked, I read couple of alarming excuses - 1. Our rangers tried, 9 people died .... but the attack was so well planned and executed with proficiency that not much could be done - come on, few goons with Kalashnikov, open fiered for 3-4 minutes on a highly secured convoy at the heart of the most secured metro of PAK, and then left with job well accomplished!!!!!! 2. Proper security couldn’t be ensured because of the strike by opposition- Punjab police was busy to manage riots!!!!!!! Do you think, these are professional excuses? Those people attacking SRL team actually didn’t want to hurt players, rather they just made sure that PAK is exposed to global audiences; otherwise they could have used hand Grenades & mortar shells to wipe out the entire convoy.

Who made these excuses? It sounds like these were excuses made on internet forums. What people say on internet forums is irrelevant, you have to look at what was said officially. It was a national disgrace that those attacks happened, and AFAIK that has always been the Pakistani government stance.

I don’t think, bringing Iran or Palestine helps here much, apart from some desperate effort of victimisation - the amount of support PCB or PAK cricket has revived from ICC and its members ... they actually don’t deserve it. From fixing, doping to illegal substances trafficking PAK cricket has created enough trouble around to be boycotted. Add to that the antics of your board and it’s office bearers .... imagine the treatment SAF & it’s cricketers received 50 years back. Filing case, threatening, withdrawing from tour .... what else do you expect? ICC gave PCB a life line to convince teams touring PAK in WC 2011 (boycotting to travel in WC is not new - we have seen that in 1996 & 2007), and SLCB came with good spirits in PCB’s help ... then they were thrown in front of wolves!!!! Come on, think what would be your reaction if you were not a Pakistani.

Not sure the relevance of this to the discussion here.

I can categorically write here in records that your board chairmen are liars. They manipulate situations for cheap media mileage and sell it to naive fans. Sethi got humiliated by BCCI and that tool Zaka Ashraf is still fooling lots of PAK Passioners here. One of my relative was BCB director & he was in that meeting itself where a possible BD tour to PAK was discussed - and I can tell you that, for every commitment, BCB covered it with a clause - “subject to Govt clearance”. In fact they can’t commit any foreign tour without noc from foreign office, which is a standard procedure everywhere. Zaka Ashraf told you guys at airport that BD will tour PAK, but forgot to mention -“subject to Govt clearance”.

There may have been verbal assurances made to PCB, and that's probably what PCB is salty about. PCB voted in favour of BD (I forget what the vote was for), probably based on those verbal assurances.

Unless, PAK’s status is changed as a high risk country, don’t think 1-2-5 or 10 years matter much here.

As it has been repeated many times, in 2018 statistically Pakistan is as safe or safer than the times when teams used to visit Pakistan regularly. Throughout your post, you made it appear as if we were still 2009-2013.

You probably carry a British passport - try travelling sometimes with PAK passport .... almost every airport, you should realise what I am telling, if you haven’t gone through that yey.

1. This is not relevant to the discussion.
2. I have friends who travel on Pakistani passport and they tell me once you have the visa, they are treated no differently, and the people spreading rumours of Pakistanis being treated poorly at airport is generally ** made up by Indians (and now a BDer)

 

[Deewana Mastana]

They'll probably win a test series against Pakistan in Bangladesh.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

WAIT WHAT?

Pakistan invites Aus, SA, England, WI, SL, NZ, etc to UAE. Why don't you invite us?

Misplaced ego

 

[Executioner]

Misplaced ego

These people are hypocrites when it comes to Bangladesh.

Hosting Bangladesh means playing in BD but the same doesn't apply to western countries. SMH

 

[Savak]

WAIT WHAT?

Pakistan invites Aus, SA, England, WI, SL, NZ, etc to UAE. Why don't you invite us?

Because frankly speaking you guys arent worth the costs. And before you rant about the BCB being in a better financial situation than PCB which is unfounded, Bangladesh team being better than Pakistan, at least inspite of our poor form we get consistently invited to play in England, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa unlike your team which is deemed completely unprofitable.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

These people are hypocrites when it comes to Bangladesh.

Hosting Bangladesh means playing in BD but the same doesn't apply to western countries. SMH

I agree completely. All lives are equal. Safety comes before sports.

 

[BDfanforever]

Because frankly speaking you guys arent worth the costs. And before you rant about the BCB being in a better financial situation than PCB which is unfounded, Bangladesh team being better than Pakistan, at least inspite of our poor form we get consistently invited to play in England, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa unlike your team which is deemed completely unprofitable.

Ok fair point, then why would you want us to play in Pakistan if it won't be worth the cost?

As for costing in UAE, I am pretty sure boards gets huge deals on hotels and reservations. Sure you might make less compared to when say Aus tours, but pretty sure you'd still make some profits. If you can host WI, you can easily host BD.

PCB can even make deals with BD sponsors for series. If NZ can host us in NZ, are you going to tell me Pakistan can't host BD in UAE? Nonetheless, I will admit my knowledge on the all the inside cost is limited, and I will trust PCB to be professionally competent enough to assess that maybe hosting BD in UAE will in fact be in loss for them.

India isn't hosted in Eng, SA, or Aus because they play so well in there. Most of the away team is expected to play poorly in tests.

 

[MMHS]

Ok fair point, then why would you want us to play in Pakistan if it won't be worth the cost?

As for costing in UAE, I am pretty sure boards gets huge deals on hotels and reservations. Sure you might make less compared to when say Aus tours, but pretty sure you'd still make some profits. If you can host WI, you can easily host BD.

PCB can even make deals with BD sponsors for series. If NZ can host us in NZ, are you going to tell me Pakistan can't host BD in UAE? Nonetheless, I will admit my knowledge on the all the inside cost is limited, and I will trust PCB to be professionally competent enough to assess that maybe hosting BD in UAE will in fact be in loss for them.

India isn't hosted in Eng, SA, or Aus because they play so well in there. Most of the away team is expected to play poorly in tests.

I don't understand why you are trying to explain - if BD isn't worth to some nobody, let it be - you are just adding value to someone regularly entertain us - last was Dubai model

More or less, most PAK posters have accepted my post - you have to take silence as an agreement, we are out numbered here by 1:1000+, hence I guess there is no point arguing there. Let him enjoy his pain - I don't think I would have enjoyed, if I were to defend my bankruptcy like this .

Personally, I am more than happy to avoid every bilateral series with PAK. Let them enjoy Jason Mo's WIN. Papon actually had to be politically correct as ACC head, other wise, he would have smoked past it otherwise - I know him quite well (my co-member of MBA, IBA Alumni).

 

[Executioner]

Because frankly speaking you guys arent worth the costs. And before you rant about the BCB being in a better financial situation than PCB which is unfounded, Bangladesh team being better than Pakistan, at least inspite of our poor form we get consistently invited to play in England, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa unlike your team which is deemed completely unprofitable.

Oh so we aren't worth the cost why? Because you guys have been struggling to beat us off late?

So you are telling me hosting NZ with a population of barely a few millions will generate more profit than BD where cricket is one of the few popular sports

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

BD isn't worth to play in UAE as well as in PAK.

So,there shouldn't any bilateral between then.
Be happy with your arrogance and superiority complex.

End of thread .

 

[pmahones]

Because frankly speaking you guys arent worth the costs.

With pak supporters like you, no wonder why PCB gets the treatment it gets.

 

[Savak]

BD isn't worth to play in UAE as well as in PAK.

So,there shouldn't any bilateral between then.
Be happy with your arrogance and superiority complex.

End of thread .

No arrogance or superiority complex, we have just drawn a line and have refused to be used and taken for a ride anymore. Would prefer playing against teams off value and are atleast honest, upfront and don't go back on their promises in mischevious ways

 

[cricketjoshila]

Because frankly speaking you guys arent worth the costs. And before you rant about the BCB being in a better financial situation than PCB which is unfounded, Bangladesh team being better than Pakistan, at least inspite of our poor form we get consistently invited to play in England, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa unlike your team which is deemed completely unprofitable.

They are not worth the cost for you guys.And you guys are not worth the risk to them. Evenly matched you see.

 

[Executioner]

No arrogance or superiority complex, we have just drawn a line and have refused to be used and taken for a ride anymore. Would prefer playing against teams off value and are atleast honest, upfront and don't go back on their promises in mischevious ways

I am sorry that your board president and officials were too dumb to realize that Mostafa Kamal was doing this all just to be nominated for the position of ICC president?

And if you have drawn a line then fine, keep inviting teams who don't generate any profit. ODIs involving Pakistan and any other team are often played in front of empty crowds.

 

[Savak]

I am sorry that your board president and officials were too dumb to realize that Mostafa Kamal was doing this all just to be nominated for the position of ICC president?

And if you have drawn a line then fine, keep inviting teams who don't generate any profit. ODIs involving Pakistan and any other team are often played in front of empty crowds.

Mustafa Kamal was the president of the BCB back then. His actions, deeds and broken promises left a sour taste in the hearts of the PCB.

If the entire world feels that the PCB should suffer due to Sethi then the same logic should apply to BCB

 

[Stalin]

So many Pak posters here downplaying Bangladesh. It is Pakistan and PCB who'll be immensely benefited , if there is a series between Pak and Bang right now.
Bangladesh right now is at par with Pak in all formats and might even get better of Pak in odis and tests albeit narrowly.
It's not 2012 anymore. Hopefully my fellow posters realise it or just memorize what happened on 26 SEP ��

 

[Savak]

So many Pak posters here downplaying Bangladesh. It is Pakistan and PCB who'll be immensely benefited , if there is a series between Pak and Bang right now.
Bangladesh right now is at par with Pak in all formats and might even get better of Pak in odis and tests albeit narrowly.
It's not 2012 anymore. Hopefully my fellow posters realise it or just memorize what happened on 26 SEP ��

So a few Bangladesh wins over Pakistan and all of a sudden Bang and BCB is No 2 in Asia? Talk about stretching

Playing against Bangladesh and other minnows does no benefit to Pakistan Cricket from a cricketing point of view. I would rather that the Pak team plays maximum games against the Big 5 and become more battle hardened regardless of the results and move to the next level.

If Bangladesh apologizes to the PCB for the actions and behaviour of Mustafa Kamal and his unethical behaviour in 2012, sure we will welcome Bangladesh with open arms. But for now I fully support the principled stand the PCB is taking against the BCB and the Bangladesh Cricket team.

 

[Executioner]

So a few Bang wins over Pakistan and all of a sudden Bang and BCB is No 2 in Asia? Talk about stretching

Playing against Bangladesh and other minnows does no benefit to Pakistan Cricket from a cricketing point of view. I would rather that the Pak team plays maximum games against the Big 5 and become more battle hardened regardless of the results and move to the next level.

If Bangladesh apologizes to the PCB for the actions and behaviour of Mustafa Kamal and his unethical behaviour in 2012, sure we will welcome Bangladesh with open arms. But for now I fully support the principled stand the PCB is taking against the BCB and the Bangladesh Cricket team.

A minnow against whom you have lost 4 of the last 5 ODIs and 2 of the last 3 T20Is.

Also this minnow has a lot of money.