"We have to become a 330-350 team. The teams that are doing that and doing that consistently are the teams that are in the semifinal": Mickey Arthur

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Pakistan Director of Cricket Mickey Arthur post-match press conference


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[Reporter:]

2019 - fifth position, 2023, fifth position. What went wrong?

[Mickey Arthur:]

I don't think we played our best game here. I think I really believe the best four teams in the competition are now playing the semifinal. I think what we've seen is that, and it's something that we've continually tried to push is that we're behind the eight ball. Our game needs to go to another level. Our bowling attack, we get Naseem Shah, I think we miss Nasseem Shah. But if you get Naseem Shah, our bowling attack's good. Batting-wise, we have to become a 330-350 team. The teams that are doing that and doing that consistently are the teams that are in the semifinal. And I don't think we've done that consistently enough. We do that when Fakhar Zaman comes off and we can't just be relying on one-on-one player.

[Reporter:]

Now like the World Cup is obviously over, things must be about moving forward from here. But to move forward or to have long-term plans, there needs to be consistency, there needs to be some kind of stability. And it's like an open secret how the PCB is being run nowadays. So how can you look forward to a long-term thing with all those things going behind the scenes?

[Mickey Arthur:]

Look, we know. We've planned. We know exactly where we need to go to. We need to know what we need to do. Planning's already started. We're a long way down the line with our test planning for Australia. But ultimately, we can only control what we can. What we can control is how we prepare our players. What we control is the messaging that we give to our players. We can't control anything else. What will be, will be in that regard. But we've got to stay consistent. We've got a very impressionable young group of players now. There's some very good young players who are going to have big careers. We need to just keep preaching them the right messaging. We've got to stay consistent, stay consistent around our selection, stay consistent around our messaging, and allow those guys an environment which allows them to play and play to the best of their ability.

[Reporter:]

Pakistan cricket is very strange and there are consequences after every failure. You ready to face the consequences?

[Mickey Arthur:]

Yeah, look, I'll just go back to the peak district in Derbyshire, I'll be really happy and that'll be okay.

No, as I said, I came in to do this directors job, obviously in conjunction with Derbyshire because I care a hell of a lot for that dressing room, because I care for Pakistan cricket. Pakistan cricket is very close to my heart, and that was the reason that when Mr. Sethi came calling, I did it, was because I want to give stability, I want to give the structure, I want the players to be able to grow up in an environment that's consistent and stable, outside of all the ramblings and the noise that goes on. We owe it to those players. There's some, as I say, there's some very young players who get affected by all the ramifications of what goes on the outside. As I say, we've just got to stay consistent for them because it's their careers and there's some very fine players there.


[Mickey Arthur:]

Yeah, the one thing we know, Haris Rauf doesn't normally bowl with a new ball. When you lose Naseem Shah, you have to find somebody to bowl with a new ball. We've been working hard on him with a new ball, but he bowled okay in patches. But we saw when he came on, he bowled seven overs for 34, three for 34. When he bowls with an older ball, that's what he's used to. So yeah, it's not an excuse. Our bowling equilibrium was out of kilter because Naseem Shah provides the consistency, whereas it allows Shaheen Shah to attack, and then you can attack with your leg spinner and you attack with Harris Rauf.

So, the equilibrium was upset but that is no excuse at all because quite frankly we haven't played well enough. We haven't bowled well enough at times. We haven't batted well enough at times. We haven't been as consistent as we have to be in order for us to progress to a semi-final and a final. And that is the fact of it.

We can't hide behind that.

[Reporter:]

We were a real tight knit unit. I get behind Babar. Babar is very, very close to me. He's a young guy that needs to be taken on the journey with. He needs to be shown the ropes. He's still learning all the time. We know he's a very, very fine batsman. He learns every day with his captaincy. He's growing and we have to allow him the time to go. And in order to do that, you make mistakes. Everybody, it's not a crime to make mistakes as long as you learn from those mistakes and as a group, we've made a lot of mistakes this World Cup but if this group grows and learns from it, we've got the core of a very, very good side.

[Reporter:]

You spoke about giving players such an environment. Do you think somewhere in the tournament, we did not get that environment which was required and some sort of external factors affected these performance? I mean all the news that were coming while he was in Bangalore that that particular fact?

[Mickey Arthur:]

There's always outside noise, whatever world cup you're at there's outside noise. The key for us as leaders within that group is to make sure that we make the players deaf to that outside noise. As I say, for us as a group and us as a team, particularly for us as leaders, we've got to create a stable environment. Again, where I say our consistent messaging, our messaging has to be consistent, our environment has to be consistent and stable, because only then do you get players that grow. If the environment is unstable, what you find is you get players that ultimately, and rightly so, end up playing for themselves because they're playing for the next selection. Well, you can't create an environment like that. You create an environment through stability. And that's where the best times, you know, I look at the times very fondly back from 2016 to 2019. The one thing we tried to create with that group was consistency. And that was consistency around selection, consistency around a brand of cricket we wanted to play, and then the trust factor stayed within the team. It was clear, it was honest communication that every player got in terms of roles, in terms of where they sat. And that breeds success.

Inconsistency, unfortunately, doesn't breed success. But that is no excuse at all. The fact is, we haven't played well enough. We finished fifth, and fifth is where we deserve to finish with the cricket that we've played over the last six weeks.

[Reporter:]

Even at the Asia Cup and right through this tournament, we have seen that Pakistan's spinners couldn't quite take the number of wickets. And today we saw some confused batting against spin as well, charging, sweeping and failure to pick some straighter ones and googly. So, considering the rich history of Pakistan in playing spin as well as bowling spin, do you think that was a bit of a letdown through this tournament?

[Mickey Arthur:]

Yeah, look, it would be unfair of me to pigeonhole that as a criticism. And the spinners would be the first to say they probably haven't bowled as a group as well as they could have. And that's a work on for us. Our brand of cricket, the way we play our cricket, requires us to have two spinners playing and a third one as your sixth or seventh.

I think Shadab today arguably was his best spell for a long time. I saw the ball fizzing, I saw the revs on the ball, I saw the dippy he managed to get. That's the best he's bowled over a period of time. We've got to keep encouraging that.

[Reporter:]

You are one of the modern-day coaches right now, but we see our batters didn't play attacking cricket, modern day cricket which deserve to be in this tournament like this. Even in the Netherlands match and even in Bangladesh matches we didn't take care of the net run rate which we eventually had now had a problem. So, do you think that net run rate is a cause of issue for the Pakistan team and the batters?

[Mickey Arthur:]

Yeah, look, I'll beg to differ with you. I think we won the Bangladesh game in 30 overs. We won that in 30 overs because of the net run rate. Albeit that perhaps we could have done it from game one and you've got a point. It wasn't through messaging; I can assure you of that. It wasn't through us not challenging our batsmen every day to grow, not challenging our batsmen to be a 330 or 350 team. We challenge them every day to do that because that's where the game's gone to. As I said earlier, the top four teams in this competition are all playing that way. We have to be able to play that way in order to compete. The players know that, we know that as coaches, we give those messages every day. We challenge them in the nets to do that every day. So, it hasn't gone unnoticed, Usman, and we're certainly, certainly trying to do that.
 
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How about you become a management with the balls to put the foot down on a captain hell bent in keeping you as a 270-280 team?

-You picked Imam to be your opener
-You gave into Rizwan’s demands to bat at 4
-You were the ones who took Tuk Tuk Shafique as the extra opener instead of Saim Ayub or even Sharjeel Khan
-You were the ones who chose Muhammad Harris for reserves instead of playing him in the XI knowing what he’s capable of
 
Scoring between 330 and 350 is crucial for success in modern day cricket. Setting targets of 250 is now old fashioned ODI cricket. And why Mickey didn't tell this to our players before entering world cup?
 
Shoaib Mailk said "Imo, Bowling is not the mail culprit and Misbah is just being nice so that he remains a PCB employee but we should spit facts and that is why people like watching us. Bowling is midcore because we rely too much on reserve swing and old ball and changes in law of ICC has damaged our bowlers performance coming to the real issue is that all team the world is now only focusing on Batting batting batting and All rounders. What i want to say is that our main issue is Babar and Rizwan because they both consume 60% dots ball yes 60% when you consume 60% dots balls than the pressure builds and team starrts to collspse because other batsman does not have the luxury to do settle himself. They both are playing for ranking and average not for team. Moreover, i do not undertand what is the issue of Rizwan beign no 4. I made the same mistake by declaring my fix position but i was wrong that time and he is as well. It is your team and if they want you bat 1 or 11 you bat and do not make fuss out of it".
 
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He has been with the team for multiple times and he should've made some kind of difference to make this team capable of scoring 300+ runs consistently in ODI cricket. We always rely on the individual brilliance to achieve that kind of score. Pakistan team ain't going to get better with his media statements only and his strange reactions during the match.
 
Mickey tactics somehow seems to be integrating Fakhar into the team during later stages and catch other teams offguard. Unfortunately every year is not 2017.
 
Scoring between 330 and 350 is crucial for success in modern day cricket. Setting targets of 250 is now old fashioned ODI cricket. And why Mickey didn't tell this to our players before entering world cup?
Shoaib Mailk said that Zaka Asharf talked to me before Eng and Pak match and i advise 3 things, which i will reveal when Babar comes to Pak. Misbha smiled and asked what did you sugesst. You will know soon but one thing i can say to you know is that you will see a completly different team in t20 Aus tour.
 
I don't think Mickey is the issue. We need stability. We're lacking a few players and pieces. The mentality has began shifting a bit, to go for higher run rates and be more assertive. We just have about 6-7 players that are ODI world top 4 level vs 11-13. Teams like India, Aussie, SA etc have 11-13 players of that level. We're more like the middle of the pack teams that have about 6-7 ODI world level players. We're clearly lacking a spinner, another top order batsmen who can do what Fakhar can, and even late in the order someone like Iftikhar just isn't enough as your batting all rounder. Clearing boundaries is now a must in ODI cricket. If someone like Rauf and Wasim can clear boundaries in a way specialist batsmen are struggling to, it shows the restraints we have.

I bet his money is guaranteed anyway. Why pay him not to coach? I would continue with him for another year and look at the weak parts of the team and attempt to fill the voids. I would also not make drastic changes to the T20 team, because the core of this team is a very good t20 team even if as a ODI team they're mediocre.

Mediocrity is what we've been in 2000s. The last time we had a ODI team good enough to win it all was 99. Look at that team and look at the teams after. We're not that good.
 
I don't think Mickey is the issue. We need stability. We're lacking a few players and pieces. The mentality has began shifting a bit, to go for higher run rates and be more assertive. We just have about 6-7 players that are ODI world top 4 level vs 11-13. Teams like India, Aussie, SA etc have 11-13 players of that level. We're more like the middle of the pack teams that have about 6-7 ODI world level players. We're clearly lacking a spinner, another top order batsmen who can do what Fakhar can, and even late in the order someone like Iftikhar just isn't enough as your batting all rounder. Clearing boundaries is now a must in ODI cricket. If someone like Rauf and Wasim can clear boundaries in a way specialist batsmen are struggling to, it shows the restraints we have.

I bet his money is guaranteed anyway. Why pay him not to coach? I would continue with him for another year and look at the weak parts of the team and attempt to fill the voids. I would also not make drastic changes to the T20 team, because the core of this team is a very good t20 team even if as a ODI team they're mediocre.

Mediocrity is what we've been in 2000s. The last time we had a ODI team good enough to win it all was 99. Look at that team and look at the teams after. We're not that good.

We have 1.

Fakhar.

Babar, Shaheen are all failures in 2 WCs.
 
You Mr. Arthur realised this after failing to qualify for SF, I hope there is some performance cut clause in his contract we are not wasting the foreign exchange on him
 
We have 1.

Fakhar.

Babar, Shaheen are all failures in 2 WCs.
Fakhar is hit and miss as well, Shafiq started well and then he withered away as well. We all just want one or two innings in 10 games and that guy is a hero, we should ask for more consistency
 
None of what Mickey Arthur said is a news. This is what he said in 2019. 4-years later, the team hasn’t been able to qualify for the 2nd round of the World Cup in exactly the same circumstances: an insufficient run-rate. We have known Pakistan was playing an antiquated style of cricket far removed from the modern game.

It’s a disservice and disingenuous to re-state the same diagnostics 4-years later.
 
Shoaib Mailk said "Imo, Bowling is not the mail culprit and Misbha is just being nice so that he remains a PCB employee but we should spit facts and that is why people like watching us. Bowling is midcore because we rely too much on reserve swing and old ball and changes in law of ICC has damaged our bowlers performance coming to the real issue is that all team the world is now only focusing on Batting batting batting and All rounders. What i want to say is that our main issue is Babar and Rizwan because they both consume 60% dots ball yes 60% when you consume 60% dots balls than the pressure builds and team starrts to collspse because other batsman does not have the luxury to do settle himself. They both are playing for ranking and average not for team. Moreover, i do not undertand what is the issue of Rizwan beign no 4. I made the same mistake by declaring my fix position but i was wrong that time and he is as well. It is your team and if they want you bat 1 or 11 you bat and do not make fuss out of it".
Shoaib malik himself used to play the most number of dot balls. Was mediocrity throughout. Never won us anything substantial

I miss the time Ramiz was Chairman. He screwed our pitches but made shameless characters like Shoaib Malik totally irrelevant. Zaka Ashraf just keeps on taking advice from pathichars- first Sarfraz and now Shoaib Malik
 
How about you become a management with the balls to put the foot down on a captain hell bent in keeping you as a 270-280 team?

-You picked Imam to be your opener
-You gave into Rizwan’s demands to bat at 4
-You were the ones who took Tuk Tuk Shafique as the extra opener instead of Saim Ayub or even Sharjeel Khan
-You were the ones who chose Muhammad Harris for reserves instead of playing him in the XI knowing what he’s capable of

Abdullah Shafiq is perfectly suited for ODI’s and has a higher potential than even Babar.

Yea early dismissals against NZ and England were disappointing but deserves a long and thick rope..
 
Shoaib malik himself used to play the most number of dot balls. Was mediocrity throughout. Never won us anything substantial

I miss the time Ramiz was Chairman. He screwed our pitches but made shameless characters like Shoaib Malik totally irrelevant. Zaka Ashraf just keeps on taking advice from pathichars- first Sarfraz and now Shoaib Malik
Shoaib Mailk vs Babar as to play spin in India, Sri Lanka and Pakistan and tactics i will take Shoaib Mailk any day.
 
Abdullah Shafiq is perfectly suited for ODI’s and has a higher potential than even Babar.

Yea early dismissals against NZ and England were disappointing but deserves a long and thick rope..
Brother

Please don’t tell me who is perfectly suited to ODI or T20. I see cricket very differently. They can all be lovely technique players who can bat close to 100 sr, but I see cricket completely differently to most of you here.
 
Shoaib Mailk said that Zaka Asharf talked to me before Eng and Pak match and i advise 3 things, which i will reveal when Babar comes to Pak. Misbha smiled and asked what did you sugesst. You will know soon but one thing i can say to you know is that you will see a completly different team in t20 Aus tour.

The only problem is that the Australia tour is a test series and not a T20 series :)
 
Mickey Arthur was speaking at post game presser after defeat to England.

[Reporter:]

"Pakistan cricket is very strange and there are consequences after every failure. You ready to face the consequences?"

[Mickey Arthur:]

"Yeah, look, I'll just go back to the peak district in Derbyshire, I'll be really happy and that'll be okay.

No, as I said, I came in to do this directive job, obviously in conjunction with Derbyshire because I care a hell of a lot for that dressing room, because I care for Pakistan cricket. Pakistan cricket is very close to my heart, and that was the reason that when Mr. Sethi came calling, I did it, was because I want to give stability, I want to give the structure, I want the players to be able to grow up in an environment that's consistent and stable, outside of all the ramblings and the noise that goes on. We owe it to those players. There's some, as I say, there's some very young players who get affected by all the ramifications of what goes on the outside. As I say, we've just got to stay consistent for them because it's their careers and there's some very fine players there."
 
Fakhar is hit and miss as well, Shafiq started well and then he withered away as well. We all just want one or two innings in 10 games and that guy is a hero, we should ask for more consistency

I always feel our batsmen have a 2 or 3 game limit then always fail whereas Kohli and other top players perform 80 or 90% of the time. Just a skill and confidence thing..
 
Mickey stating the obvious here - nothing earth shattering. What is the plan to address this? What are next steps here Mickey so we dont have a repeat in 2027?
 
Mickey stating the obvious here - nothing earth shattering. What is the plan to address this? What are next steps here Mickey so we dont have a repeat in 2027?
It will be rinse and repeat, this year ppl are asking why Safi is out, next time it be why Rizwan baber are out
 
Thank you sir for your services please stick to derbyshire now. Please don't ever again apply for whatever post in pakistan cricket.
 
Based on this statement alone where he is saying Pakistan need to be 330-350 team.he should be let go.Since 2015, 300 is par score and it has gone to around 330 now. What did he do to address that in 2019 WC and what was the preparation when coming to India knowing most of the grounds are high scoring ones. That would have been my follow up question
 
Pakistan Director of Cricket Mickey Arthur post-match press conference


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[Reporter:]

2019 - fifth position, 2023, fifth position. What went wrong?

[Mickey Arthur:]

I don't think we played our best game here. I think I really believe the best four teams in the competition are now playing the semifinal. I think what we've seen is that, and it's something that we've continually tried to push is that we're behind the eight ball. Our game needs to go to another level. Our bowling attack, we get Naseem Shah, I think we miss Nasseem Shah. But if you get Naseem Shah, our bowling attack's good. Batting-wise, we have to become a 330-350 team. The teams that are doing that and doing that consistently are the teams that are in the semifinal. And I don't think we've done that consistently enough. We do that when Fakhar Zaman comes off and we can't just be relying on one-on-one player.

[Reporter:]

Now like the World Cup is obviously over, things must be about moving forward from here. But to move forward or to have long-term plans, there needs to be consistency, there needs to be some kind of stability. And it's like an open secret how the PCB is being run nowadays. So how can you look forward to a long-term thing with all those things going behind the scenes?

[Mickey Arthur:]

Look, we know. We've planned. We know exactly where we need to go to. We need to know what we need to do. Planning's already started. We're a long way down the line with our test planning for Australia. But ultimately, we can only control what we can. What we can control is how we prepare our players. What we control is the messaging that we give to our players. We can't control anything else. What will be, will be in that regard. But we've got to stay consistent. We've got a very impressionable young group of players now. There's some very good young players who are going to have big careers. We need to just keep preaching them the right messaging. We've got to stay consistent, stay consistent around our selection, stay consistent around our messaging, and allow those guys an environment which allows them to play and play to the best of their ability.

[Reporter:]

Pakistan cricket is very strange and there are consequences after every failure. You ready to face the consequences?

[Mickey Arthur:]

Yeah, look, I'll just go back to the peak district in Derbyshire, I'll be really happy and that'll be okay.

No, as I said, I came in to do this directors job, obviously in conjunction with Derbyshire because I care a hell of a lot for that dressing room, because I care for Pakistan cricket. Pakistan cricket is very close to my heart, and that was the reason that when Mr. Sethi came calling, I did it, was because I want to give stability, I want to give the structure, I want the players to be able to grow up in an environment that's consistent and stable, outside of all the ramblings and the noise that goes on. We owe it to those players. There's some, as I say, there's some very young players who get affected by all the ramifications of what goes on the outside. As I say, we've just got to stay consistent for them because it's their careers and there's some very fine players there.


[Mickey Arthur:]

Yeah, the one thing we know, Haris Rauf doesn't normally bowl with a new ball. When you lose Naseem Shah, you have to find somebody to bowl with a new ball. We've been working hard on him with a new ball, but he bowled okay in patches. But we saw when he came on, he bowled seven overs for 34, three for 34. When he bowls with an older ball, that's what he's used to. So yeah, it's not an excuse. Our bowling equilibrium was out of kilter because Naseem Shah provides the consistency, whereas it allows Shaheen Shah to attack, and then you can attack with your leg spinner and you attack with Harris Rauf.

So, the equilibrium was upset but that is no excuse at all because quite frankly we haven't played well enough. We haven't bowled well enough at times. We haven't batted well enough at times. We haven't been as consistent as we have to be in order for us to progress to a semi-final and a final. And that is the fact of it.

We can't hide behind that.

[Reporter:]

We were a real tight knit unit. I get behind Babar. Babar is very, very close to me. He's a young guy that needs to be taken on the journey with. He needs to be shown the ropes. He's still learning all the time. We know he's a very, very fine batsman. He learns every day with his captaincy. He's growing and we have to allow him the time to go. And in order to do that, you make mistakes. Everybody, it's not a crime to make mistakes as long as you learn from those mistakes and as a group, we've made a lot of mistakes this World Cup but if this group grows and learns from it, we've got the core of a very, very good side.

[Reporter:]

You spoke about giving players such an environment. Do you think somewhere in the tournament, we did not get that environment which was required and some sort of external factors affected these performance? I mean all the news that were coming while he was in Bangalore that that particular fact?

[Mickey Arthur:]

There's always outside noise, whatever world cup you're at there's outside noise. The key for us as leaders within that group is to make sure that we make the players deaf to that outside noise. As I say, for us as a group and us as a team, particularly for us as leaders, we've got to create a stable environment. Again, where I say our consistent messaging, our messaging has to be consistent, our environment has to be consistent and stable, because only then do you get players that grow. If the environment is unstable, what you find is you get players that ultimately, and rightly so, end up playing for themselves because they're playing for the next selection. Well, you can't create an environment like that. You create an environment through stability. And that's where the best times, you know, I look at the times very fondly back from 2016 to 2019. The one thing we tried to create with that group was consistency. And that was consistency around selection, consistency around a brand of cricket we wanted to play, and then the trust factor stayed within the team. It was clear, it was honest communication that every player got in terms of roles, in terms of where they sat. And that breeds success.

Inconsistency, unfortunately, doesn't breed success. But that is no excuse at all. The fact is, we haven't played well enough. We finished fifth, and fifth is where we deserve to finish with the cricket that we've played over the last six weeks.

[Reporter:]

Even at the Asia Cup and right through this tournament, we have seen that Pakistan's spinners couldn't quite take the number of wickets. And today we saw some confused batting against spin as well, charging, sweeping and failure to pick some straighter ones and googly. So, considering the rich history of Pakistan in playing spin as well as bowling spin, do you think that was a bit of a letdown through this tournament?

[Mickey Arthur:]

Yeah, look, it would be unfair of me to pigeonhole that as a criticism. And the spinners would be the first to say they probably haven't bowled as a group as well as they could have. And that's a work on for us. Our brand of cricket, the way we play our cricket, requires us to have two spinners playing and a third one as your sixth or seventh.

I think Shadab today arguably was his best spell for a long time. I saw the ball fizzing, I saw the revs on the ball, I saw the dippy he managed to get. That's the best he's bowled over a period of time. We've got to keep encouraging that.

[Reporter:]

You are one of the modern-day coaches right now, but we see our batters didn't play attacking cricket, modern day cricket which deserve to be in this tournament like this. Even in the Netherlands match and even in Bangladesh matches we didn't take care of the net run rate which we eventually had now had a problem. So, do you think that net run rate is a cause of issue for the Pakistan team and the batters?

[Mickey Arthur:]

Yeah, look, I'll beg to differ with you. I think we won the Bangladesh game in 30 overs. We won that in 30 overs because of the net run rate. Albeit that perhaps we could have done it from game one and you've got a point. It wasn't through messaging; I can assure you of that. It wasn't through us not challenging our batsmen every day to grow, not challenging our batsmen to be a 330 or 350 team. We challenge them every day to do that because that's where the game's gone to. As I said earlier, the top four teams in this competition are all playing that way. We have to be able to play that way in order to compete. The players know that, we know that as coaches, we give those messages every day. We challenge them in the nets to do that every day. So, it hasn't gone unnoticed, Usman, and we're certainly, certainly trying to do that.
As per micky if naseem is back they will be a good bowling unit, so is there no need to have a good frontline spinner? He thinks it was shadab's best spell for a long time today when he was wicket less in 10 overs for 57 runs. Oh Com'on, they should except the fact that pakistan opted to go without a single decent spinner in a world cup held in sub continent conditions.
 
pakistan was one of the most aggresive teams in the 90s, attacking from the top, anwar was a unicorn by Pakistani standards, afridi opening and ijaz at three were not reliable batsmen but were striking way higher than the norm for the period.

the emotional destructing of the 2003 world cup saw us reverse into a pattern of 3 steady batsmen and one dasher, which has persisted till this day.

the safety first approach has not worked for 20 years, and yet successive captains, managements, coaches, boards, propagate the same tried and failed approach.
 
Thn team needs to forget that Misbah ever existed! He is the reason for Pakistan tuktuk dot balls and defensive mindset!
 
This man is all talk and no results. I never liked him. He has always been very good at presenting himself the best with no real substance.
 
Shoaib Mailk said "Imo, Bowling is not the mail culprit and Misbah is just being nice so that he remains a PCB employee but we should spit facts and that is why people like watching us. Bowling is midcore because we rely too much on reserve swing and old ball and changes in law of ICC has damaged our bowlers performance coming to the real issue is that all team the world is now only focusing on Batting batting batting and All rounders. What i want to say is that our main issue is Babar and Rizwan because they both consume 60% dots ball yes 60% when you consume 60% dots balls than the pressure builds and team starrts to collspse because other batsman does not have the luxury to do settle himself. They both are playing for ranking and average not for team. Moreover, i do not undertand what is the issue of Rizwan beign no 4. I made the same mistake by declaring my fix position but i was wrong that time and he is as well. It is your team and if they want you bat 1 or 11 you bat and do not make fuss out of it".
Then drop Babbar and Rizwan and bring in Khusdil and Asif , lets see how much they score !
 
pakistan was one of the most aggresive teams in the 90s, attacking from the top, anwar was a unicorn by Pakistani standards, afridi opening and ijaz at three were not reliable batsmen but were striking way higher than the norm for the period.

the emotional destructing of the 2003 world cup saw us reverse into a pattern of 3 steady batsmen and one dasher, which has persisted till this day.

the safety first approach has not worked for 20 years, and yet successive captains, managements, coaches, boards, propagate the same tried and failed approach.
What they won with aggressive players ?
 
What they won with aggressive players ?
96 C&U series, which was a pretty big deal back then, and got to a final of a WC, but i admit there was a lot of failure too, but that was due to numerous extra curricular factors too. also id rather Pakistan be a flamboyant and entertaining team that loses then be a boring tired team that loses, cos the former always has an outside chance of causing some upset, supporting this team is groundhog day of water drop torture in white ball cricket.
 
Brother

Please don’t tell me who is perfectly suited to ODI or T20. I see cricket very differently. They can all be lovely technique players who can bat close to 100 sr, but I see cricket completely differently to most of you here.

That is your opinion which is completely fine -but Rohit Sharma, Warner, Bairstow etc. all have a career SR less than 100 in ODI’s
 
That is your opinion which is completely fine -but Rohit Sharma, Warner, Bairstow etc. all have a career SR less than 100 in ODI’s
I’m not having this debate. Show me their balls per six ratio and compare it with Abdullah’s when he has played 30 ODIs
 
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Please don’t tell me who is perfectly suited to ODI or T20. I see cricket very differently. They can all be lovely technique players who can bat close to 100 sr, but I see cricket completely differently to most of you here.
Abdullah can be a very good ODI player if he gets consistent chances, much better than Imam. Fakhar also takes his time to settle on the wicket but when Fakhar settles he owns the game but he is also not consistent enough. But you are right about SR, Pakistan really needs openers who can start hitting from very first ball.

It's a shame that proper batsman like Saud Shakeel is playing below Rizwan and rubbish players like Iftikhar are getting preference over Salman Agha
 
The players who are not following team orders should be dumped.

Why are they still being picked, when the coach is clearly not happy with them and their approach.
Who are these players
 
The players who are not following team orders should be dumped.

Why are they still being picked, when the coach is clearly not happy with them and their approach.
I think Mickey is indirectly admitting his limitations & helplessness in front of the clique & friends circle.
 
The players who are not following team orders should be dumped.

Why are they still being picked, when the coach is clearly not happy with them and their approach.

Agreed.

There should be zero tolerance for players like that.
 
Mickey Arthur you and your staff are a major part of the problem, in fact no one knows what your actual role is, why aren’t we hiring modern coaches is the question that needs to be answered
 
If pakistan team needs to back to the top team category they have to get rid off Mickey Arthur, I think he is the one who destroyed Pakistan's spin department 100%, let them go with a local coach.
 
Mickey Arthur you and your staff are a major part of the problem, in fact no one knows what your actual role is, why aren’t we hiring modern coaches is the question that needs to be answered
Which coach should replace Mickey?? Sir the system is broken. Unless you address that the consistency will not come...and also player atfitude
 
Shoaib Mailk said "Imo, Bowling is not the mail culprit and Misbah is just being nice so that he remains a PCB employee but we should spit facts and that is why people like watching us. Bowling is midcore because we rely too much on reserve swing and old ball and changes in law of ICC has damaged our bowlers performance coming to the real issue is that all team the world is now only focusing on Batting batting batting and All rounders. What i want to say is that our main issue is Babar and Rizwan because they both consume 60% dots ball yes 60% when you consume 60% dots balls than the pressure builds and team starrts to collspse because other batsman does not have the luxury to do settle himself. They both are playing for ranking and average not for team. Moreover, i do not undertand what is the issue of Rizwan beign no 4. I made the same mistake by declaring my fix position but i was wrong that time and he is as well. It is your team and if they want you bat 1 or 11 you bat and do not make fuss out of it".
Thanks shoaib bhai for exposing these criminals
 
We were becoming a 330 team, we were on the path to transforming ourselves into a modern one day team however that all feel apart from the decision of one man and his cronies

Misbah ul haq has the blood of our demise on his hands
 
96 C&U series, which was a pretty big deal back then, and got to a final of a WC, but i admit there was a lot of failure too, but that was due to numerous extra curricular factors too. also id rather Pakistan be a flamboyant and entertaining team that loses then be a boring tired team that loses, cos the former always has an outside chance of causing some upset, supporting this team is groundhog day of water drop torture in white ball cricket.
Pakistan never managed to draw a test in Australia let alone win.
 
Babar needs to play more aggressively. Even Joe Root and Kane Williamson are doing it these days. Rauf doesn't belong in ODIs. Whatever is ailing Shadab needs to be rectified. Other than that whole sale changes are not needed. Abdullah and Saud seem good prospects. Afridi, Wasim Jr and Hassn Ali are decent enough pacers.
 
Seeing that Ganguly interview I wished if the PCB approached him for a coaching role. In this instance I wouldn't mind if the PCB begged him too as its begging for the right reason atleast.

Arthur joined the tram remotely for his tenure and thought pep talks are enough. Anyone can feel that he's not as vested in the team as he was in his previous tenure.
 
Everybody is saying the same thing mickey said that we need to change the approach and have been saying this for the last couple of years. Teams have been scoring in excess of 340 350 and we are still thinking about it let alone score one. Mickey came to know that we need 330-plus runs after the World Cup is done and dusted for Pakistan. LOL. Where was he before the tournament began? Asia cup?
 
Everybody is saying the same thing mickey said that we need to change the approach and have been saying this for the last couple of years. Teams have been scoring in excess of 340 350 and we are still thinking about it let alone score one. Mickey came to know that we need 330-plus runs after the World Cup is done and dusted for Pakistan. LOL. Where was he before the tournament began? Asia cup?
Clearly so you saw Saud, Abdulha, Agha did what mickey asked for SR above 80 or 90. What the real issue is Rizwan and Babar. Play too defensive and consume many dot ball and does not listen to the coach because they know that their place is batter than coach and they cannot sacked but now it's different after loss to England.
 
The Zaka administration undermined Mickey and the coaching staff by giving feelers that they were looking to get rid of them while engaging with the cricket committee.

The coaching staff needs to be empowered and they should be given the right to axe players who play for themselves and not for the team
 
Pakistan batsmen are either technically inept and aggressive or technically decent and less aggressive or technically inept and less aggressive. I don't see a batsman who is technically good and has extra gears. So they have filled the side with a lot of bit part players hoping atleast 2 or 3 would come good. But bowling has suffered massively. I think they better go back to their old working style of loading the side with 3 or 4 match winning bowlers.
 
The players who are not following team orders should be dumped.

Why are they still being picked, when the coach is clearly not happy with them and their approach.
Maybe because the captain is one of the worst culprits.
 
The Zaka administration undermined Mickey and the coaching staff by giving feelers that they were looking to get rid of them while engaging with the cricket committee.

The coaching staff needs to be empowered and they should be given the right to axe players who play for themselves and not for the team
Sure, but kind of hard to do in the middle of a world cup with 15 players.
 
Don't confuse Babar and the coach. Where are you getting the idea that Arthur felt this way?
Not particularly this series, but Mickey has always been a big talker. Always says the right things with minimum end product. CT 17, WC 2019 also followed this script. That is after all the talk, his team played outdated cricket initially and were put in a spot. Then forced to go the other way with the only guy capable of that, Fakhar. He has not developed a core team which plays the way he talks. No Plan B s n all. Pakistan do not need a Coach to win by individual brilliance once in a while.
 
He literally said we can't be relying on Fakhar to get big scores.
He is there for the extra paycheque and handle the media with what fans love to hear.
Not the same Mickey who had the hunger to achieve and prove the world and Australia that he is one of the elite coaches, which he did by winning 2017 CT and made careers for Fakhar and Babar, which also earned him the Derby job
 
Mickey is right.

Runs in cricket have become inflated. 350 is the new 250.
No he is not right , he is not the same Mickey with fire in the belly to achieve something great..

Even if they score 350 teams are chasing it if the bowling is inept and toothless.. Pak did it against SRL, NZL nearly did it against Aus.

Bowling and Fielding has been the big let down this tournament for Pakistan...
With this bowling attack any team can beat Pakistan. Pak spin bowling was simply non-existent , without even looking at the stats that we can say Shadab and Nawaz would be at the bottom of the list of wicket takers this tournament and they are their frontline spinners...

And their pacers turned into club level bowlers soon after they lost Naseem Shah in the attack.. Haris rauf lol , played 9 games in this tournament and didnt a learn a thing..getting hammered with his pace for wide outside off stump bowling and till the England game he is doing the same.. It looks like him begging pls hit me outta the park guys...
 
Mickey you said imam is the top 5 odi batsmen of the world? How are you going to achieve 350 scores?
 
Pakistan never managed to draw a test in Australia let alone win.
pakistan won a test match in sydney in 1995. pak lost 6 of 9 tests in the 90s, pretty bad but still not as bad as our recent history.
 
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