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Mohammad Amir is the most insecure and toxic cricketer I have ever seen. PCB bent its back to fast track this fixer into the team in 2016. And what did we get in return? A drama queen, greedy, and toxic individual who only cares about himself and no one else. His personal performances may have been good initially but, he has no noteworthy performances for an extended period of time. I blame the Pakistani Cricket Fans and Media for hyping up this pathetic individual as the some messiah of Pakistani Cricket. Our fast bowling stocks may have been dry at that time period but, there was no reason to give another chance to a proven fixer. If Amir was given a chance, Asif and Butt should also have gotten the green light to play for Pakistan. Even at that time, Amir played the "innocence" card as if Butt had forced him to bowl the no balls at gun point.

I disagree greatly with the coaching tactics of former coaches Misbah and Waqar. But, I will forever be grateful to them for giving Amir the axe. PCT has no place for a greedy, selfish, and malignant person like him. Up until a couple of weeks ago, several PCT fans wanted Amir to be back in the team after some performances in the low quality CPL. Luckily, Pakistani fast bowling stocks are better than in the mid 2010s and the team management has decided to move on from this joke of a person. Or Else fans and Media pressure would have demanded his return. The truth is Amir has made a career out of a handful performances in extremely helpful conditions.

Coming back to the main point, Amir should never have been given a second chance. Only in Pakistan, can a proven fixer be allowed to play international cricket and be made a hero. I rather Pakistan become a Scotland Level minnow then, see such people represent the country. Now, we are seeing the true colors of Amir's vile character as he is giving his "expert" opinion on TV channels. This whole World Cup Campaign he has done nothing but throw venom at the PCT, Team Management, Selection Committee, and the PCB organization as a whole. In any other country he would have been taken off air by now. But instead, he continues to try and sell his negative agenda to the masses on live TV.

I can write a 10 page rant on this disgrace of a person but, that will only waste my time. Lesson to be Learned is to never allow a match fixer to play competitive cricket again. May it be Umar Akmal, Sharjeel, Amir or any "world class" talent. Because people with disciplinary issues should be nowhere near the PCT.

Thoughts??
 
I've seen clips of him in some recent TV show appearing as a sort of "cricket expert".

In these clips, which went viral, he never lost the facial expression of a toddler who has seen his favorite toy being snatched away, in a perpetual mood of diarrhea.

Just a really punchable face, for legitimate reasons? Nah, he has a problem with "selection policies", in order words he thought he should have been in the playing XI.

Even his few fans left are abandoning him, I mean how toxic and angry you can get when your team's doing so well just for your own little ego.
 
He is just coming across as a really really bitter person now. I think deep inside the fact that he is not playing international cricket for Pakistan anymore is killing him. I think he is regretting the decision big time now.
 
He thought Pakistan won't be able to find his replacement. Guys like Rauf, Shaheen, Naseem proved him wrong. He is history. :inti
 
Deserves this.

Never cared for his country, only himself.

Glad the quicks we have are all great and making him not needed.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
He thought Pakistan won't be able to find his replacement. Guys like Rauf, Shaheen, Naseem proved him wrong. He is history. :inti
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His experience in the CPL will come in handy for the 2024 world cup and he wouldn't be a bad pick, provided he fixes his attitude issues.
 
Any TV show in Pakistan hiring this guy as an analyst despite his toxicity towards the team has absolutely no shame. Shame on the show runners of any TV show that hires him knowing his attitude toward the team.

Keep him far away from Pakistan cricket from now on.

I’m not saying this as a punishment. He’s done his punishment. I’m saying this to keep toxic individuals as far away as possible from anything to do with Pakistani cricket.
 
Imagine if Amir wasn't acting like a salty ex-girlfriend at the moment and was cheering on the team and actively fixing his issues to get back in the side.

A bowling rostrum of Shaheen, Naseem, Rauf, Amir, Wasim Jr and even Hasnain on the side lines. Wow wow wow :raja


We could play two full fledged bowling attacks simultaneously :amir3
 
him being from near my village in pak, i was a massive supporter of his, i was in favour of fast tracking him back to the team post ban, i supported him when his performances weren't up to the mark, so it hurts even more to realise how toxic and entitled he is.

however, his hissy fits lead to pak having the attack it has today. i have no doubt his malignant toxicity would have hampered team spirit and development of quicks like shaheen and naseem and rauf. all this guy cares about is money, and he fooled the world, or at least me.

its actually crazy to think, that for all the hate he got, Mohammad asif is easily the most respectable of the fixing trio as an analyst and general cricket presence.
 
I rate Amir but with our current wealth of young fast bowling talent, it's very hard to miss him.
 
Shaheen, Rauf and Naseem have more than replaced him and he can't digest that fact.

That is the reason behind his toxic behaviour.

He really reminds me of a few PP posters who are on the verge of crying whenever Pakistan wins or some particular players do well.
 
He was making fun of Iftikhar's age and PCB's hypocrisy in backing Iftikhar while moving on from Wahab and Amir under the pre-text of wanting young blood in the team. Loved it when a poster responding to Amir by sharing video clips from the PSL where Iftikhar was smashing Amir around the park.
 
Tells you and shows you how toxic this individual is. No wonder his team mates regularly complained to the PCB about his attitude.
 
Everything that is said about Amir is true, but let’s get something clear. This notion that PCB did a favor on Amir and gave him a second chance is a load of baloney.

PCB did not do him favors and he doesn’t owe PCB anything. He owes the fans not the board/management.

The reason why PCB gave him a second chance is because they needed him at the time - not because they cared for him.

This whole “PCB gave him a second chance and he should be grateful” narrative doesn’t mean anything.
 
Terrible guy. I know it's bad to say but I hope no psl franchise picks him
 
Mamoon said:
Everything that is said about Amir is true, but let’s get something clear. This notion that PCB did a favor on Amir and gave him a second chance is a load of baloney.

PCB did not do him favors and he doesn’t owe PCB anything. He owes the fans not the board/management.

The reason why PCB gave him a second chance is because they needed him at the time - not because they cared for him.

This whole “PCB gave him a second chance and he should be grateful” narrative doesn’t mean anything.
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The same PCB moved on from him and binned him when they realized that he was not really as good as hyped.
 
Syed1 said:
Imagine if Amir wasn't acting like a salty ex-girlfriend at the moment and was cheering on the team and actively fixing his issues to get back in the side.

A bowling rostrum of Shaheen, Naseem, Rauf, Amir, Wasim Jr and even Hasnain on the side lines. Wow wow wow :raja


We could play two full fledged bowling attacks simultaneously :amir3
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Not only that, he actually was insanely clutch in both of his appearances in a final, CT17 and t20WC 2009. It’s sad that he chose this path again, despite proving he loves playing at the big stage.
 
Very toxic person, cringe-worthy behaviour on recent TV shows, even with Wahab. He should be kept away from the team at all costs
 
He was an electric bowler when he burst on the scene. I really do believe he was that good- he was hitting 150k in Oz and bowling like a dream in England. He had "it", imo. He got led astray and made his own bad choices under that situation. Young and dumb.

What he really owns is not entirely committing to his comeback/staying prime fit for his return and trying to do his honest, humble utmost to repay a second chance he was very fortunate to get.

He honestly needs to move on from cricket now, find a purpose in life because jealousy will eat him up. I'd love to never hear of him again and find out he'd quietly become a carpenter, an IT support or anything to give him a direction and find out other ways of living and just be content.
 
Bilal7 said:
His experience in the CPL will come in handy for the 2024 world cup and he wouldn't be a bad pick, provided he fixes his attitude issues.
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Not needed....he has had his chances but no need to bring back these toxic individuals to destroy the team unity.
 
I always thought they should have given chance to Asif instead of Amir
He wouldv served better

This guy ruined his chance by petty politics he started playing
 
We dont need to discuss Amir now
Him and pakistan are finished

So no need to give him any more importance
 
Amir is a smart cookie but his behaviour lately has exposed him, a choor never changes his stripes. People were gullible for feeling sympathy for the 17 year old who sold his country, in his area the little gremlins mature early, his actions as an adult should vindicate what a toxic snake he is
 
It’s 2022 why we still making threads of him? The guy is a fraud and sold his soul for money.

I’m over him and what he says doesn’t faze me anymore - I’m just glad toxic players like that are no longer part of the international set up.
 
Amir is trying to build a brand for a big following on YouTube and other social media. Its a good business strategy
 
SpiritOf1903 said:
He still won Pakistan the T20 World Cup and Champions Trophy...
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10 other guys were playing wt20 as well. Umar Gul outperformed him in every single match. A Razzaq was the better bowler in the final. Yes he took a wicket in the first over, but if we didn't have other guys putting their hands up, it wouldn't have happened.

Regarding CT17, everyone loved his 6 over spell in the final (me included), but before that game he had a grand total of 2 wickets in 3 ODIs and he was wicketless in the first 2. He had also missed the semi final against the much tougher English side. So again, as good as that spell was, he didn't win Pakistan those two trophies alone.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
10 other guys were playing wt20 as well. Umar Gul outperformed him in every single match. A Razzaq was the better bowler in the final. Yes he took a wicket in the first over, but if we didn't have other guys putting their hands up, it wouldn't have happened.

Regarding CT17, everyone loved his 6 over spell in the final (me included), but before that game he had a grand total of 2 wickets in 3 ODIs and he was wicketless in the first 2. He had also missed the semi final against the much tougher English side. So again, as good as that spell was, he didn't win Pakistan those two trophies alone.
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Spot on. In my opinion the loss of Asif has cost Pakistan years to success in Test matches. Amir was replaced, Asif will never be.
 
He's retired. And good. Don't think he deserves any of the attention he is craving with his verbal diarrhea.

He was actually laughing at the memes on him after Pak won the semi that Wahab was showing him.

Simply the way he vomits all the venom and his tone, he is just too annoying.

Another thing I noticed was how both have been praising Aqib Javed. Last year on Pavilion, Wahab Riaz said it was Waqar in before the semi in 2011 wc who told him that his job was to perform not to care about who's saying what. Yesterday, on some other show, he changed his story that it was Waqar and Aqib who told him to only care about performance and not listen to what others were saying. The funny part is Aqib wasn't even with the wc11 squad.

Seems like Wahab is aiming for a transfer to LQ this PSL.
 
Theo_14 said:
It’s 2022 why we still making threads of him? The guy is a fraud and sold his soul for money.

I’m over him and what he says doesn’t faze me anymore - I’m just glad toxic players like that are no longer part of the international set up.
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I agree. I was disappointed that Imad Wasim was left out of the WC squad but actually...maybe it's for the best.

Amir is extremely toxic. But that gets clicks and views, so expect to see plenty more of him when his cricketing career completely ends.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
10 other guys were playing wt20 as well. Umar Gul outperformed him in every single match. A Razzaq was the better bowler in the final. Yes he took a wicket in the first over, but if we didn't have other guys putting their hands up, it wouldn't have happened.

Regarding CT17, everyone loved his 6 over spell in the final (me included), but before that game he had a grand total of 2 wickets in 3 ODIs and he was wicketless in the first 2. He had also missed the semi final against the much tougher English side. So again, as good as that spell was, he didn't win Pakistan those two trophies alone.
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He’s Pakistan’s second best new ball bowler after Shaheen. I’m convinced of this. However, I’ve been incredibly disappointed in his comments in the last year.

He’s talking like someone who has nothing to lose and doesn’t care about burning bridges. This is a wrong attitude. Especially as I still believe he has something to offer the Pakistan team (even though realistically I know it’s impossible).

Posters will say that he doesn’t deserve a recall because of x, y and z. However, I’m looking at it purely from a resource management perspective.

Pakistan’s greatest treasure is its fast bowling resources. And those resources will only get better the more they play in different conditions (via for e.g. leagues around the world). That then raises a question over bowler workload. We’ve just got Shaheen back and need to very carefully manage his workload. The same applies to Rauf and Naseem as well. Hasnain and Dahani themselves aren’t enough cover, plus their new ball skills are still raw. In the domestics, barring Mohammad Umar, there aren’t any other stand out new ball bowlers. Amongst the youngsters, both Zeeshan Zameer and Mohammed Zeeshan are the only genuine prospects who look amazing. This is why Amir is needed, to basically rotate Shaheen out for lower priority games.

Again, I fully understand that it’s impossible to see Amir in Pakistan colours again, but I also feel that it’s a resource wasted.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Spot on. In my opinion the loss of Asif has cost Pakistan years to success in Test matches. Amir was replaced, Asif will never be.
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The problem with Asif was that he was a serial offender. Was once found guilty of doping, once got banned for year for drug possession and spot fixing was simply the final nail in the coffin. He should have remedied his methods after the second offense. No one apart from himself to blame.
 
KingOfPakBreakfast said:
He’s Pakistan’s second best new ball bowler after Shaheen. I’m convinced of this. However, I’ve been incredibly disappointed in his comments in the last year.

He’s talking like someone who has nothing to lose and doesn’t care about burning bridges. This is a wrong attitude. Especially as I still believe he has something to offer the Pakistan team (even though realistically I know it’s impossible).

Posters will say that he doesn’t deserve a recall because of x, y and z. However, I’m looking at it purely from a resource management perspective.

Pakistan’s greatest treasure is its fast bowling resources. And those resources will only get better the more they play in different conditions (via for e.g. leagues around the world). That then raises a question over bowler workload. We’ve just got Shaheen back and need to very carefully manage his workload. The same applies to Rauf and Naseem as well. Hasnain and Dahani themselves aren’t enough cover, plus their new ball skills are still raw. In the domestics, barring Mohammad Umar, there aren’t any other stand out new ball bowlers. Amongst the youngsters, both Zeeshan Zameer and Mohammed Zeeshan are the only genuine prospects who look amazing. This is why Amir is needed, to basically rotate Shaheen out for lower priority games.

Again, I fully understand that it’s impossible to see Amir in Pakistan colours again, but I also feel that it’s a resource wasted.
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Amir simply isn't fit enough to survive at the ODI level. Test is not even a possibility. He has himself to blame for not putting enough effort in the gym and diet to be fit enough.

From pure cricketing point of view, he is good at the death overs, no doubt about that. On green tops, he might get some swing. But taking early wickets wasn't his forte when he retired. He had become way too defensive even with the new ball bowling cutters and negative line as to preserve his economy rate while letting the batters settle in. Even in 2019 wc, most of his wickets came in the late phase of the game. 2017 ct final was the last time i saw him swinging the new ball and going for wickets. Watching him bowl in Asia Cup 2018 was beyond painful.

Naseem has age on his side and we should invest in him. Hopefully we'll be able to find a few more bowlers by the next u19 wc.

Seriously, he's not worth the trouble if he is to only play in t20is. ODIs, he doesn't have the stamina for, tests, he isn't really good at.
 
Savak said:
The same PCB moved on from him and binned him when they realized that he was not really as good as hyped.
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No. They binned him because he probably didn’t have any mileage left anyways

Fast bowlers and lead actresses, all have a very limited time in their profession. Amir was at the end of his as an international pro
 
He always makes some good points about fast bowling. However when he starts ranting at PCB and ex-coaching staff, he is unbearable.
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
He thought Pakistan won't be able to find his replacement. Guys like Rauf, Shaheen, Naseem proved him wrong. He is history. :inti
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Indeed that was the reason, because when he was banned in 2010 and till 2016 when he returned , nobody replaced Amir and Asif

Junaid Khan and Irfan looked as good prospects but MISBAH as a captain losing LOI matches in all parts of the world , didnt let them hav a slight off period..series after series atleast one youngster shown the door as a scapegoat
 
pillionrider said:
If you want to credit one person for each trophy, it’s Afridi for 2009 and Fakhar for the CT.

Amir bowled great spells in both, but they weren’t match winning.
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It was a match winning spell which broke the bakcbone of INdian batting.. India was a top 3 heavy scoring team back then, Virat's wicket is till now a match winning wicket
 
I felt so bad that when Wahab was explaining that how Babar was batting positively in the semifinals with inputs from Hayden, Amir was laughing shamelessly that even Wahab put his head down and got quiet. Even he felt what a crass individual I am dealing with. This guy didn't do a single tweet for his team reaching finals. As Harbhajan shut him up correctly with Fixer ko sixer
 
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pillionrider said:
If you want to credit one person for each trophy, it’s Afridi for 2009 and Fakhar for the CT.

Amir bowled great spells in both, but they weren’t match winning.
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Not crediting one person, but I can’t credit the whole team. Amir got the best batsman of the tournament out early in the final. 2 years after his ban he takes 3 big wickets in the CT17 final. Had he not taken those 3 wickets India would’ve probably chased the target.

Amir has played less than 7(?) years for Pakistan and he’s left a legacy bigger than majority of those who played 10+ years.
 
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YousafTheBeast said:
Not crediting one person, but I can’t credit the whole team. Amir got the best batsman of the tournament out early in the final. 2 years after his ban he takes 3 big wickets in the CT17 final. Had he not taken those 3 wickets India would’ve probably chased the target.

Amir has played less than 7(?) years for Pakistan and he’s left a legacy bigger than majority of those who played 10+ years.
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His legacy is of a fixer who got repeated second chances and who threw it all away. At the end of the day he is no legend and will not be remembered just on the basis of two performances spanning over an entire career.
 
Discuss Mohammad Amir?

Pakistan now have 5-6 world class bowlers. Amir has no space and he is finished. Nothing to discuss anymore.
 
The biggest question is why is he still allowed to play in PSL?

Whose allowing that to happen?
 
If Amir was in the team instead of M. Wasim, then Pakistan would be unbeatable. He can bat as well and we need more leftie batsmen in the lineup.
 
Shah said:
If Amir was in the team instead of M. Wasim, then Pakistan would be unbeatable. He can bat as well and we need more leftie batsmen in the lineup.
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Mohd Amir 130-132 km/hr cutters are not needed. Mohd Wasim can crank it up to 144-145 km/hr at the death and has nailed his yorkers perfectly.
 
From a cricketing perspective, he certainly played some key moments in key matches.

I think it's silly amd illogical to credit a tournament win to a single player. So I'd limit how much credit to give him.

It's important to remember many of these cricketers have had limited education and not worked in a professional setting per-say. I doubt they get PR training from HR like other teams do. It's for this reason why so many ex-sports people don't realise how childish and immature they look on platforms like Twitter.

Unless Amir can learn to show humility and completely revamp his attitude, image and maturity... There is no need for him. In my opinion, I think the ship has sailed and there is no reason for him to play for Pakistan again. He can stay commentating on some obscure Pakistani cricket show and the occasional T20 franchise cricket.
 
Mamoon said:
Everything that is said about Amir is true, but let’s get something clear. This notion that PCB did a favor on Amir and gave him a second chance is a load of baloney.

PCB did not do him favors and he doesn’t owe PCB anything. He owes the fans not the board/management.

The reason why PCB gave him a second chance is because they needed him at the time - not because they cared for him.

This whole “PCB gave him a second chance and he should be grateful” narrative doesn’t mean anything.
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Brother, i think you are smart enough to know that after the crime amir comitted in UK, he was never gonna be allowed back in.

PCB is not small gali ke agency, its a big organization. To get Amir a visa and an entry back to UK, they had to pull different strings.

Amir used this oppurtunity and got into the uk and after a few months threw a hissy fit


Representing your country is an honor not a right.
 
Mamoon said:
Everything that is said about Amir is true, but let’s get something clear. This notion that PCB did a favor on Amir and gave him a second chance is a load of baloney.

PCB did not do him favors and he doesn’t owe PCB anything. He owes the fans not the board/management.

The reason why PCB gave him a second chance is because they needed him at the time - not because they cared for him.

This whole “PCB gave him a second chance and he should be grateful” narrative doesn’t mean anything.
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I agree with this 100%

We do have a bad habit of overplaying and overdramatising this “favour” stuff

PCB did Amir a favour.

Misbah did Pakistan a favour for taking captaincy

Etc
Etc

In each of the cases the said party who did a supposed “favour” only did it because they calculated they would greatly benefit from it. That’s not a favour, that’s looking after your own interests.
 
now amir on his tweet refers to malik as the REAL king.

Wow, this guy is pathetic, taking shots on Babar
 
Major said:
Brother, i think you are smart enough to know that after the crime amir comitted in UK, he was never gonna be allowed back in.

PCB is not small gali ke agency, its a big organization. To get Amir a visa and an entry back to UK, they had to pull different strings.

Amir used this oppurtunity and got into the uk and after a few months threw a hissy fit


Representing your country is an honor not a right.
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You are not getting my point.

PCB went through a lot of pain and trouble to get Amir back. That is true. However, they did not do it because they cared about him. They did it because they needed him.

They didn’t do a favor on him but were only look after their interests. This is why Amir doesn’t owe PCB anything.
 
Having seen clips of his on whatever channel he is on where he is along side Wahab, I kinda feel bad for Wahab. He was part of one of the best cricket analysis show atleast in my opinion - The Pavilion, where they actually conduct themselves in a professional manner, to now a ridiculous setup with Amir talking over his sentences, acting childish and not having the decency to atleast pretend to listen and try to understand what others are saying eg: Wahab had praised Haydos about working with Babar on their off day prior to the semi and Amir kept interrupting him, ridiculing him about how it was so stupid to think that Haydos taught Babar anything in a day, basically Amir was of the Opinion that Haydos was useless. I get it, that's Amir's opinion but during that entire exchange he just came across so childish and ridiculous.
 
Amir was a once in a generation talent.

Anyone who’s interacted with him in nets will tell you that he had magical wrists and would do things with the ball that most other struggle with. He also had a fluid action (initially anyway) plus brilliant knowledge of the game.

However he was uneducated, prone to being injured and at least 3-4 years older than his stated age as a fact. This combined with his spot fixing meant he was lucky to have a career at all and the fact that he strongly contributed to 2 trophies shows his talent.
 
He just comes across as childish and immature ranting and raving and using these platforms to have a pop at people he thinks have wronged him

Hes totally burning all his bridges And doesnt seem very clever at all
 
I will also say that amir is toxic/ uneducated / bought shame to Pakistan etc.

However I believe a captain / management should always utilise the best talents in the country no matter their personality.

That’s why I was always against the omission of Peterson, Hales, Akhtar etc. Those kind of talents, it’s the responsibility of the team management to MANAGE them and make the best of their skills.

Mickey did this and Amir won us a trophy. Misbah and Waqar let their ego get in the way or else we could have had another good couple of years out of amir, particularly as we transitioned to Shaheen/ Rauf/ Naseem / Hasnain. He would have been a great person to learn bowling from.

However it’s too late and he’s finished now, and rightly peeved he’s lost the final year or so of his career.
 
Gullycricket said:
I felt so bad that when Wahab was explaining that how Babar was batting positively in the semifinals with inputs from Hayden, Amir was laughing shamelessly that even Wahab put his head down and got quiet. Even he felt what a crass individual I am dealing with. This guy didn't do a single tweet for his team reaching finals. As Harbhajan shut him up correctly with Fixer ko sixer
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What is the stance of the PCB refusing to give Amir NOC's?

Crticism is one thing. If you are going to publically insult the captain of the national side as an active player should that go without consequence?

I'm actually appalled that he is being picked to play PSL. I wouldn't have Amir near the national set up of anything at all.
 
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Spewing hate on Babar behind the scenes as well.
 
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Forum363 said:
Amir was a once in a generation talent.

Anyone who’s interacted with him in nets will tell you that he had magical wrists and would do things with the ball that most other struggle with. He also had a fluid action (initially anyway) plus brilliant knowledge of the game.

However he was uneducated, prone to being injured and at least 3-4 years older than his stated age as a fact. This combined with his spot fixing meant he was lucky to have a career at all and the fact that he strongly contributed to 2 trophies shows his talent.
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Being uneducated and lacking decency are two different things altogether. Majority of our cricketers are uneducated or come from poor backgrounds, but not all of them are as vile as him.
 
BunnyRabbit said:
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Spewing hate on Babar behind the scenes as well.
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Won't be surprised if Amir demanded that all toxic individuals in the team are removed and that includes Amir as well.

For all his deficiencies as captain, one thing you cannot question is that the dressing room is United and squarely behind the skipper, team management, not a single toxic individual in the dug out.
 
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Spewing hate on Babar behind the scenes as well.
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Never seen such an unremorseful and entitled convicted fixer.
 
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Suleiman said:
Never seen such an unremorseful and entitled convicted fixer.
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BunnyRabbit said:
Us fans are a big cause for it. Should have let the ones who knew him decide his future rather than feeling sympathy for him.
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Remember going to a game where the match was washed out. Fans were hoping to at least see some of their cricketers from up on the balcony. Amir had the absolute loudest chants for him, and it seemed like he hardly cared. On the other hand Riaz went above and beyond.
 
In his last international match, this guy was receiving such a spectacular thrashing from Tom Banton and Bairstow that he pretended to be injured and walked off the ground. That should be more than enough for anyone to realize what a pathetic, low mentality and dehati individual this guy is. Even now he still hasn't commented or posted anything regarding Pakistan reaching the final, but was more than happy to call for accountability after the loss to Zimbabwe and with the 'cheap selector ki cheap selection' or whatever he put up after the squad was announced. At least with Malik and Imad they try to hide their politics and selfish nature, this guy doesn't even attempt to hide his pathetic character. Considering what he's done in the past his head should always be bowed down in shame, shouldn't even have the right to criticize gully mohalla cricketers
 
He may be a toxic individual but fans would have a different tune if we get smashed for 200 on the final.

Just because he's a ****** person doesnt mean he's an awful or mediocre bowler, he has one of the lowest economy rates going around and that is worth more than wickets sometimes.
 
CricFan2012 said:
He may be a toxic individual but fans would have a different tune if we get smashed for 200 on the final.

Just because he's a ****** person doesnt mean he's an awful or mediocre bowler, he has one of the lowest economy rates going around and that is worth more than wickets sometimes.
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i will say it here for the record, even if pak go for 250, i don't want him to ever play for pak again. anything he can add as a bowler hell take away by being a snake.
 
ElRaja said:
i will say it here for the record, even if pak go for 250, i don't want him to ever play for pak again. anything he can add as a bowler hell take away by being a snake.
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These are true fans who tell it like it is, hats of Raja.
 
Honestly with this kind of people in the pavilion you would always have bitterness and politics going on. I'm glad his true face is being revealed.

I hate how sad I was when he was banned and subsequently how joyous I was when he returned. I wish we had brought back Asif instead of this loser.
 
Mind boggling that he still has so much support. Truth is he sold the country for a few pounds. Still don't understand why people have so much sympathy for him. He was a mature adult FGS. I blame PCB for his return. Their obsession with short term solutions and lack of long term planning will always lead to complications.
 
Unpopular opinion but I would rather have Amir in the team than Wasim.

Different class of player…
 
I believe Amir is vying for an offshore career like Tarek Fatah and Adnan Sami.
 
msb314 said:
Unpopular opinion but I would rather have Amir in the team than Wasim.

Different class of player…
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Agreed. He knows how to deliver on the big stage as evident by his winning bowling performances that led Pakistan to the 2009 WT20 and 2017 CT. Also bowled well in the 2019 WC.

He's morally corrupt but if you're gonna let a bad dog out in the open, you have to accept what comes with him.
 
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