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Takes out Saim Ayub (7) and Azam Khan (7)
 
Honestly if amir is willing to come back then sure. He has good form and can compliment our trio very well.
 
Markhor said:
With Naseem's injury is it time to suck it up, swallow our pride, and send out an SOS to Mohammad Amir ?

He's one of the few experienced ODI seamers we have, and has a good relationship with Mickey Arthur. His control can compliment the sometimes expensive Shaheen and Rauf.

Before people start firing back that he's a fixer - please. The vast majority here supported his return in 2016. I don't believe in double jeopardy.

Nor do I want to read names of some express pace sensation in their nappies we should call up. The ship has sailed for experiments unfortunately. Ihsanullah is injured while Dhani, Hasnain and Hasan Ali aren't good enough.

World Cups require proven performers and Amir's tournament record speaks for itself having played a huge role in our only two ICC titles since 1992.

It's not the most popular call but the most logical one.
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As much as I hate the idea, it's the least worst idea -- maybe he is the hero we deserve
 
Amir not coming , again , some people's , at the helm of the affair, ego and personal issues are more important than Pakistan's chances of doing well in the WC.
 
Unpopular opinion.

Fakhars innings won the CT17.

Pakistan had nearly 350 runs to play with.

Any bowler worth his salt (Shaheen, Naseem any other international bowler of repute) would bowl fearlessly with 350 on the board and be able to pick up wickets.
 
Its been 4 years since Amir played any 50 over game and bowled 10 overs in a day. So joke is on those who think Amir will perform well, if selected for WC. With zero patriotism for his country and zero self respect personally, the dude will perhaps deliberately bowl bad to make some money
 
Suddenly all eyes on M Amir

He is playing currently in CPL
 
Amir has to answer the call.

Be the hero you were always meant to be.
 
I’d welcome an Amir redemption arc.

But I don’t think there’s any way he can go from bowling half baked deliveries in leagues to performing in a WC.

It’s Amir’s own fault anyway. He should have been prepared for an outcome like this but he chose the shameless route.
 
Amir if he can, should be selected.

A lot of eyes are taken off the seamers, take Hassan and Amir along Zaman, Haris and Shaheen. Even Naseem if he makes it.

In india even Babar can bowl and it will be effective enough.
 
To be honest its just wastage of time by discussing him. He took retirement from International Cricket himself. Unless until he himself come back and perform well in Domestic Cricket We don't need him. We need to set standards. Give Respect to domestic performers please
 
Amir is not fit enough to play odi cricket. He will get injured after a game or two.
 
He is bowling right now in the CPL, getting some banana swing
 
Rafay586 said:
To be honest its just wastage of time by discussing him. He took retirement from International Cricket himself. Unless until he himself come back and perform well in Domestic Cricket We don't need him. We need to set standards. Give Respect to domestic performers please
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What performance has Shadab shown in list A/ODI? He’s also playing leagues.
on what bases was zaman Khan selection? What perf does he have in list A?
 
Dr_Bassim said:
Unpopular opinion.

Fakhars innings won the CT17.

Pakistan had nearly 350 runs to play with.

Any bowler worth his salt (Shaheen, Naseem any other international bowler of repute) would bowl fearlessly with 350 on the board and be able to pick up wickets.
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Agree 100%, and I'll take it a step further and say Junaid Khan was even better than Amir that tournament
 
Amir gets a wicket. I'm reconsidering my support for him after seeing him dance

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Muhammad Amir, after Match fixing scandle. He was the only player among 3 ( Asif, Salman and Amir) who was pampered by PCB and he rose to heights of success. When PCT needed him the most for Test Cricket. He left test cricket for sake of playing T20 Franchise cricket. He doesn't intend to represent Pakistan and pay back the Respect he was given by management. He was clearly aware that soon he will get UK nationality, so that he should focus on Making money through franchise cricket. Although Shaheen has completely replaced him. I don't see any future of amir with PCT and also he doesn't deserve.
 
Markhor said:
With Naseem's injury is it time to suck it up, swallow our pride, and send out an SOS to Mohammad Amir ?

He's one of the few experienced ODI seamers we have, and has a good relationship with Mickey Arthur. His control can compliment the sometimes expensive Shaheen and Rauf.

Before people start firing back that he's a fixer - please. The vast majority here supported his return in 2016. I don't believe in double jeopardy.

Nor do I want to read names of some express pace sensation in their nappies we should call up. The ship has sailed for experiments unfortunately. Ihsanullah is injured while Dhani, Hasnain and Hasan Ali aren't good enough.

World Cups require proven performers and Amir's tournament record speaks for itself having played a huge role in our only two ICC titles since 1992.

It's not the most popular call but the most logical one.
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Bhai, he has retired. he spits on the country. Out of all people i didnt expect this from you

I would rather have 5 faheem ashrafs than have a corrupt player like amir

Whats the worst that will happen? we will lose the world cup, so be it. Pakistan should not get that much desperate that they bring back a person who doesnt want anything to do with the country
 
happydavy said:
Its been 4 years since Amir played any 50 over game and bowled 10 overs in a day. So joke is on those who think Amir will perform well, if selected for WC. With zero patriotism for his country and zero self respect personally, the dude will perhaps deliberately bowl bad to make some money
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His fitness definitely will be questioned for sure, bowling 4 overs vs 10 and fielding 50 overs vs 20 overs is a big difference, regarding other points I have forgotten what was the quarrel, the only thing I remember is him complaining board isn't respecting him and he said he won't play test and then he was forgotten.
 
Mohammad Amir making his case... 4/19 for JT

https://twitter.com/x/status/1703104502922887195

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Markhor said:
With Naseem's injury is it time to suck it up, swallow our pride, and send out an SOS to Mohammad Amir ?

He's one of the few experienced ODI seamers we have, and has a good relationship with Mickey Arthur. His control can compliment the sometimes expensive Shaheen and Rauf.

Before people start firing back that he's a fixer - please. The vast majority here supported his return in 2016. I don't believe in double jeopardy.

Nor do I want to read names of some express pace sensation in their nappies we should call up. The ship has sailed for experiments unfortunately. Ihsanullah is injured while Dhani, Hasnain and Hasan Ali aren't good enough.

World Cups require proven performers and Amir's tournament record speaks for itself having played a huge role in our only two ICC titles since 1992.

It's not the most popular call but the most logical one.
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In that case, he has to respond with humility too and not just behave like a diva who wants everything on his terms.

In purely cricketing terms, I agree he is our best bet to replace Naseem for a big tournament like WC.
 
Major said:
Bhai, he has retired. he spits on the country. Out of all people i didnt expect this from you

I would rather have 5 faheem ashrafs than have a corrupt player like amir

Whats the worst that will happen? we will lose the world cup, so be it. Pakistan should not get that much desperate that they bring back a person who doesnt want anything to do with the country
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There's three aspects to this.

1) The crime

What Amir did was despicable. However I've always maintained from the trio - Amir was the only one PCB should rehabilitate due to his age. Butt was the captain and Asif already screwed up several times before the scandal. He served his time and I recall most fans here welcomed his return in 2016.

Only when his form declined and we had three shiny new toys in Shaheen, Naseem and Rauf - suddenly some of those same fans called him corrupt, fixer, unpatriotic etc as if they didn't know this in 2016 !

Now if you want to make a policy in future that anyone engaging in fixing should be life banned, I agree. But you cannot punish someone retrospectively.

2) The Workload

Let's give proper context. Cricinfo reported in March 2018 that Amir bowled 864 overs in all formats since returning - more than any Pakistani and 6th highest amongst pacers worldwide.

Amir couldn't bowl competitively for 5 years. Gym fitness is different from bowling fitness, and it's incredibly difficult for your bowling muscles to adjust to the strain after a long layoff. Therefore his workload required careful management.

That's why under Mickey Arthur he had an unwritten arrangement. He wouldn't play every Test, and eventually he retired from Tests on July 26th 2019. Note the date.

3) The Split

When Misbah and Waqar were appointed in 2019 - this arrangement was thrown out the window. Communication broke down. In Nov, Pakistan played 2 Tests in Australia debuting rookies Musa Khan and Naseem Shah. We got hammered.

In April 2020, Waqar made the comment:

Amir and Wahab 'gave us a dhoka' at the last minute, they decided they wouldn't play Tests 15-20 days before the tour.
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Either Waqar was ignorant or a liar.

Later that year, Amir isn't picked for the Zimbabwe series nor in a 35 man squad for New Zealand. Meanwhile, Misbah also dropped Amir from Category C central contracts - mainly for white ball cricketers.

Let me state Amir's white-ball record in 2019, his last full year of international cricket:

ODIs - Avg 25.65; Economy 4.87.
T20s - Avg 26.42; Economy 7.81.

Now you cannot tell me Amir didn't merit a Cat C contract or a place in a 35 man squad ! Waqar then makes another false statement in Dec 2020 that "Amir didn't retire from Tests because of workload."

That was the last straw. Amir retired from internationals on 17th Dec 2020. The situation was entirely avoidable but for Misbah and Waqar's poor man management.
 
Could he be a good pick for a tournament such as the World Cup? Yes

Will he be pumped up for it? Yes

Will Mickey Arthur want him in the squad? Yes

Will Babar Azam want him in the squad? I doubt it
 
Despite few of the heroics Amir had in the field of cricket, I think Pak fans need to accept the fact that he is a disgrace to Pakistan cricket. And I am not referring to spot fixing only. Retiring from test when team needed him the most, prioritising league cricket for money, thinking he is entitled for selection without performance, ranting against the board in media openly which professional players don't do etc.

And I am sure if called back, his misconception that he is the best and PCB kneeling down to him will get stronger. Irrespective of performance in WC, one day he'll sit in front of camera in future and will try to gain extra mileage out of it.

It's not the first time that a team's best bowler has been ruled out of a tournament. But it's time for players like Shaheen and Rauf to make up for it. Second choice bowlers like Faheem, Zaman etc to provide the support. Batsman to give extra cushion by scoring well and fielders to complement the bowling.
 
Markhor said:
There's three aspects to this.

1) The crime

What Amir did was despicable. However I've always maintained from the trio - Amir was the only one PCB should rehabilitate due to his age. Butt was the captain and Asif already screwed up several times before the scandal. He served his time and I recall most fans here welcomed his return in 2016.

Only when his form declined and we had three shiny new toys in Shaheen, Naseem and Rauf - suddenly some of those same fans called him corrupt, fixer, unpatriotic etc as if they didn't know this in 2016 !

Now if you want to make a policy in future that anyone engaging in fixing should be life banned, I agree. But you cannot punish someone retrospectively.

2) The Workload

Let's give proper context. Cricinfo reported in March 2018 that Amir bowled 864 overs in all formats since returning - more than any Pakistani and 6th highest amongst pacers worldwide.

Amir couldn't bowl competitively for 5 years. Gym fitness is different from bowling fitness, and it's incredibly difficult for your bowling muscles to adjust to the strain after a long layoff. Therefore his workload required careful management.

That's why under Mickey Arthur he had an unwritten arrangement. He wouldn't play every Test, and eventually he retired from Tests on July 26th 2019. Note the date.

3) The Split

When Misbah and Waqar were appointed in 2019 - this arrangement was thrown out the window. Communication broke down. In Nov, Pakistan played 2 Tests in Australia debuting rookies Musa Khan and Naseem Shah. We got hammered.

In April 2020, Waqar made the comment:



Either Waqar was ignorant or a liar.

Later that year, Amir isn't picked for the Zimbabwe series nor in a 35 man squad for New Zealand. Meanwhile, Misbah also dropped Amir from Category C central contracts - mainly for white ball cricketers.

Let me state Amir's white-ball record in 2019, his last full year of international cricket:

ODIs - Avg 25.65; Economy 4.87.
T20s - Avg 26.42; Economy 7.81.

Now you cannot tell me Amir didn't merit a Cat C contract or a place in a 35 man squad ! Waqar then makes another false statement in Dec 2020 that "Amir didn't retire from Tests because of workload."

That was the last straw. Amir retired from internationals on 17th Dec 2020. The situation was entirely avoidable but for Misbah and Waqar's poor man management.
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Amir was above 18, he faked age and got away. He was an adult and yet he went to juvi and not jail. People who welcomed him back were wrong and they were also proven to be wrong when he whined about Misbah and than when Misbah left he had no other excuse to hang on.

His issue was that he wanted to play on his own terms. Basically bowl in England but not in UAE. Doesnt work that way.

Amir not bowling for 5 years wasnt PCB or coaches issue, it was his own issue. Maybe he shouldnt had sold the country out in the first place.

If Misbah and Waqar were at fault, than why didnt this guy come back after Misbah and Waqar left?


Here is the actual thing:

Cricketers from poor backgrounds have seen hard life. They dont even have air conditioner or good food. During his spot fixing ban Amir got lazy and adjusted to the comfortable life, because he still had money and was making money from different places.

When Amir's ban was about to end, he hired his previous coach in Rawalpindi for fulltime, and invited him to Lahore and also got him a contract in which his coach could move his club to two big grounds of Lahore. Later on Amir had a falling out with his coach.

Amir just didnt want to put the effort when he came back. Pakistan cricket doesnt run on his terms does it. Amir married his own Lawyer from England and he got settled there with her. He didnt want to play in UAE but wanted to be the first name for England or Australia. Doesnt work that way. He knew he was getting t20 contracts and he was all set for life. So what does he do? He makes the excuse that Misbah is bothering him and jumps ship.

When Misbah resigned from his position, Amir was exposed as it was evident after that Misbah wasnt the issue it was Amir.

My issue with Amir is he never accepted what he did. He never apologised, he never accepted that he was wrong for spot fixing and for running away from the Pakistan team. He always found a way to blame others. First it was Butt, than it was Misbah.

After all the stuff he did you want him back? He doesnt give two hoots to our domestic system.

And he wont come back, because this year he might get his UK passport, thus becoming eligible for IPL.

People dont change. Amir always loved money. So instead of going to him, why not bring one of the young guys who WANT TO PLAY FOR PAKISTAN
 
Saj said:
Could he be a good pick for a tournament such as the World Cup? Yes

Will he be pumped up for it? Yes

Will Mickey Arthur want him in the squad? Yes

Will Babar Azam want him in the squad? I doubt it
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and will he turn his back once again to the country? Yes
 
Major said:
Amir was above 18, he faked age and got away. He was an adult and yet he went to juvi and not jail. People who welcomed him back were wrong and they were also proven to be wrong when he whined about Misbah and than when Misbah left he had no other excuse to hang on.

His issue was that he wanted to play on his own terms. Basically bowl in England but not in UAE. Doesnt work that way.

Amir not bowling for 5 years wasnt PCB or coaches issue, it was his own issue. Maybe he shouldnt had sold the country out in the first place.

If Misbah and Waqar were at fault, than why didnt this guy come back after Misbah and Waqar left?


Here is the actual thing:

Cricketers from poor backgrounds have seen hard life. They dont even have air conditioner or good food. During his spot fixing ban Amir got lazy and adjusted to the comfortable life, because he still had money and was making money from different places.

When Amir's ban was about to end, he hired his previous coach in Rawalpindi for fulltime, and invited him to Lahore and also got him a contract in which his coach could move his club to two big grounds of Lahore. Later on Amir had a falling out with his coach.

Amir just didnt want to put the effort when he came back. Pakistan cricket doesnt run on his terms does it. Amir married his own Lawyer from England and he got settled there with her. He didnt want to play in UAE but wanted to be the first name for England or Australia. Doesnt work that way. He knew he was getting t20 contracts and he was all set for life. So what does he do? He makes the excuse that Misbah is bothering him and jumps ship.

When Misbah resigned from his position, Amir was exposed as it was evident after that Misbah wasnt the issue it was Amir.

My issue with Amir is he never accepted what he did. He never apologised, he never accepted that he was wrong for spot fixing and for running away from the Pakistan team. He always found a way to blame others. First it was Butt, than it was Misbah.

After all the stuff he did you want him back? He doesnt give two hoots to our domestic system.

And he wont come back, because this year he might get his UK passport, thus becoming eligible for IPL.

People dont change. Amir always loved money. So instead of going to him, why not bring one of the young guys who WANT TO PLAY FOR PAKISTAN
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1) Regardless of his exact age he was very young when the scandal occurred whereas Butt and Asif were old enough to know exactly what they were getting into.

He pleaded guilty at the criminal trial and apologised many times. He apologised in the Mike Atherton interview in 2012. He's apologised in interviews with PP.

2) If Amir didn't want to put the effort in - how'd he bowl the most overs in those years post-comeback from all Pakistani bowlers and 6th most worldwide from all pacers ?

As for chasing money - what were Shaheen Shah and Haris Rauf doing playing in The Hundred, a non-international format, right before Afghanistan series ? Were they playing for charity ? Were Babar Azam and Naseem Shah playing LPL to chill out on Sri Lankan beaches ?

Amir isn't the first cricketer to reduce his international commitments and play franchise cricket. Quinton de Kock retired from Tests and will quit ODIs but CSA are still selecting him. Trent Boult DECLINED a NZ central contract to play leagues but he's in NZ's WC squad.

3) Amir shouldn't made those silly social media posts yes. However do you deny that Waqar was either ignorant or lying when he said Amir withdrew from the Australia tour 15-20 days beforehand ? Was Waqar ignorant or lying when he said Amir didn't retire from Tests due to workload ?

Can anyone honestly say Mohammad Amir didn't deserve a white-ball contract in 2020 despite averaging mid-20s in ODIs and T20s in 2019 ? How did he not belong in our top 35 cricketers when he was omitted from the NZ tour in 2020 ? Again if people follow the timeline of events it wasn't as simple as "Amir bad man, he walked away" when he was already being sidelined by Misbah and Waqar's petty politics.
 
Saj said:
Could he be a good pick for a tournament such as the World Cup? Yes

Will he be pumped up for it? Yes

Will Mickey Arthur want him in the squad? Yes

Will Babar Azam want him in the squad? I doubt it
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Who does Babar Azam want? Who cares who he wants?
 
Asad T said:
He is bowling right now in the CPL, getting some banana swing
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I watched a couple of matches of the CPL on youtube for Saim Ayub, and basically every bowler is getting banana swing with the new ball. I'm not sure how much of an indication is that.
 
He should have had Shai Hope lbw too

Weird drs showed a faint edge even though Shai didn’t think there was
 
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