We will make sure no one misuses the blasphemy law again : Imran Khan

[Mian]

https://www.dawn.com/news/1327745/w...ne-misuses-the-blasphemy-law-again-imran-khan

Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf (PTI) chief Imran Khan, in a press conference alongside Mashal Khan's father Tuesday, issued a strongly worded condemnation of the 23-year-old's lynching on what has so far proven to be a baseless accusation.

"It has become clear during the investigation that Mashal never committed blasphemy. He was framed in a conspiracy and murdered," Imran Khan said.

"As a father, I can understand what Iqbal Khan [Mashal's father] is going through. This was a cruel deed and they used the blasphemy law as an excuse."

"I want to assure his parents that I will ensure justice for his death," Imran Khan said.

"Whoever planned his murder and whoever participated in it will be punished and made an example of for future generations," the PTI chief said.

"Even if the culprits are found to be from the PTI, they will be punished. We will not discriminate along party lines in pursuing this case," Imran Khan said.

"The entire country saw [what they did]. Even animals don't behave this way," he added.

"We will take this as a lesson and make sure no one ever misuses the blasphemy law again to murder people again," he added.

 

[Syed1]

Just get rid of this draconian law.

 

[Mian]

So Imran Khan was the first one to jump on Mashal side while secular politicians were sitting on edges playing the wait and watch public reaction before releasing statements in media.

 

[DW44]

So Imran Khan was the first one to jump on Mashal side while secular politicians were sitting on edges playing the wait and watch public reaction before releasing statements in media.

Which secular politicians? There are no secular politicians in this country, everyone's Islamist to some degree. If you're going to make stuff up, at least make up something that's plausible.

 

[Mian]

Which secular politicians? There are no secular politicians in this country, everyone's Islamist to some degree. If you're going to make stuff up, at least make up something that's plausible.

Followers of Bacha khan's, bhuttos and achakzai use secular card wherever it helps them and sometime they use democracy as a cover just to bash establishment otherwise they are also opportunist just like establishment.

 

[Adil_94]

Just abolish the law. It has no place in any modern society.

 

[DW44]

Followers of Bacha khan's, bhuttos and achakzai use secular card wherever it helps them and sometime they use democracy as a cover just to bash establishment otherwise they are also opportunist just like establishment.

Followers of Bacha Khan isn't the name of any political party I'm aware of and if you're referring to ANP, they're far from secular. PPP created the Taliban, 'nuff said. More importantly, none of them play the secular card because there is no secular card in Pakistan. The whole point of a "card" is to get public sympathy by playing on their emotions but in Pakistan, admitting to being secular is tantamount to admitting to being a child murderer, it's a label even actual secular people avoid so put your money where your mouth is and please share some statement from PPP and ANP leaders claiming to be secular (and strictly secular, not liberal).

 

[Mian]

Reportedly, JUI's Shuja ul Mulk, JI leaders & PPP's Ikram Shahid met DPO Mardan and asked to remove terrorism clauses from the FIR.

 

[srh]

https://www.dawn.com/news/1327745/w...ne-misuses-the-blasphemy-law-again-imran-khan

Imran Khan is pretty stupid to link this incident with the blasphemy law

This incident actually happened because the mob totally disregard blasphemy law and not used it at all;
the blasphemy law would have saved the life of Mishal Khan;
in a non-educated (read jahil) society like Pakistan these kinds of laws make sure that the mob violence does not happen in the name of religion;
problem is the non-educated (read jahil) society like Pakistan either does not know about laws or dont care about laws;
if Imran Khan give capital punishments to all the people involved then next time people will use the blasphemy law instead of mob violence;
the blasphemy law should be modified to give capital punishment to people who used this law falsely;
eventually once the Pakistan society is educated enough then this law would not be needed and then it can be abolished.

 

[yasir]

Imran Khan is pretty stupid to link this incident with the blasphemy law

This incident actually happened because the mob totally disregard blasphemy law and not used it at all;
the blasphemy law would have saved the life of Mishal Khan;
in a non-educated (read jahil) society like Pakistan these kinds of laws make sure that the mob violence does not happen in the name of religion;
problem is the non-educated (read jahil) society like Pakistan either does not know about laws or dont care about laws;
if Imran Khan give capital punishments to all the people involved then next time people will use the blasphemy law instead of mob violence;
the blasphemy law should be modified to give capital punishment to people who used this law falsely;
eventually once the Pakistan society is educated enough then this law would not be needed and then it can be abolished.

You are not getting the big picture here, you don't want discriminatory laws in the society. They endorse radical/extremist ideology that is bedding ground of extremist culture, which we have witness in Pakistan in last 40 years. Why in the world we want such laws, what purpose they serve??

If you think Capital Punishment is the answer, you are thinking exactly like Taliban and ISIS, may be this is the religious culture, handout big punishments...We need to get rid of extremist culture not endorse them by racist/bigot laws... Imagine if Trump Muslim ban was upheld and keep on expanding, extremism must not be part of legal system


Also when Imran and others give reference of Blasphemy laws back to Brits (sort of implies its there fault), that boils me. Brits had law "Dogs and Indian are not allowed" in many parks and public places, why we not hold on to does wonderful laws?? - In 1860 all kinds of racist, discriminatory laws exists all over the world, should we stop evolving our laws, those were gold standards?? :

 

[santos11]

Why can't he make sure that there is no Blasphemy Law?

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

In your dreams dear IK.

Best of Luck.

 

[shaykh]

Imran Khan is pretty stupid to link this incident with the blasphemy law

This incident actually happened because the mob totally disregard blasphemy law and not used it at all;
the blasphemy law would have saved the life of Mishal Khan;
in a non-educated (read jahil) society like Pakistan these kinds of laws make sure that the mob violence does not happen in the name of religion;
problem is the non-educated (read jahil) society like Pakistan either does not know about laws or dont care about laws;
if Imran Khan give capital punishments to all the people involved then next time people will use the blasphemy law instead of mob violence;
the blasphemy law should be modified to give capital punishment to people who used this law falsely;
eventually once the Pakistan society is educated enough then this law would not be needed and then it can be abolished.

To an outsider the response has been ridiculous ...

In short...if he was blasphemous he got what was coming ...or the attackers should have let the courts do their thing ...the fact that this act is being called vigilantism is part of the problem ...

And its because the law itself endorses this position and I don't see how anyone can defend it ...

As for your argument that the law protects individuals this clearly shows that that isn't the case ...your point that the law is necessary becuaee Pakistan is jahil negates the point that by virtue of being jahil the law clearly isn't important ...

What is important is the fact that society endorses that it is acceptable to be killed for being blasphemous ...rather than catering to that belief isn't it preferable to attack the belief itself ...

 

[Mian]

Why can't he make sure that there is no Blasphemy Law?

Why not ask your fav nawaz sharif? His party is enjoying ruling with two third majority in national assembly.

 

[Badsha]

Which secular politicians? There are no secular politicians in this country, everyone's Islamist to some degree. If you're going to make stuff up, at least make up something that's plausible.

Yes there are. PPP and MQM to name a few.

 

[Badsha]

Followers of Bacha Khan isn't the name of any political party I'm aware of and if you're referring to ANP, they're far from secular. PPP created the Taliban, 'nuff said. More importantly, none of them play the secular card because there is no secular card in Pakistan. The whole point of a "card" is to get public sympathy by playing on their emotions but in Pakistan, admitting to being secular is tantamount to admitting to being a child murderer, it's a label even actual secular people avoid so put your money where your mouth is and please share some statement from PPP and ANP leaders claiming to be secular (and strictly secular, not liberal).

You don't understand politics if you think none of these parties are secular. Right, left, center and secular all stem from the nations existing parties and where you stand in relation to them. You're likely comparing our secular parties to European secular parties and of course there will be a difference.

That's like saying N-League is not conservative because they're not saudis.

 

[DW44]

Yes there are. PPP and MQM to name a few.

Nope. Not sure about mqm but PPP is not even close to being secular, officially or through their actions. Only party that openly claims to be secular officially and actually acts on it through their politics is ANP.

You don't understand politics if you think none of these parties are secular. Right, left, center and secular all stem from the nations existing parties and where you stand in relation to them. You're likely comparing our secular parties to European secular parties and of course there will be a difference.

That's like saying N-League is not conservative because they're not saudis.

Yeah, that relative thing doesn't work when your "relative" leftists and supposedly secular parties would be well right of center by any reasonable definition of those terms. Pakistani political parties are all well right of any reasonable center and the only thing that differentiates them from each other is variations in how far right of center they are.

 

[Enigma_]

Yes there are. PPP and MQM to name a few.

lol there are no secular parties in Pakistan. In fact it is probably the only things all parties agree upon! That there must be some sort of Islamist in there midst. Disgusting.

 

[Badsha]

Nope. Not sure about mqm but PPP is not even close to being secular, officially or through their actions. Only party that openly claims to be secular officially and actually acts on it through their politics is ANP.



Yeah, that relative thing doesn't work when your "relative" leftists and supposedly secular parties would be well right of center by any reasonable definition of those terms. Pakistani political parties are all well right of any reasonable center and the only thing that differentiates them from each other is variations in how far right of center they are.

Okay it really is no point arguing with you because I don't think you understand this topic well enough. You don't get to decide what a "reasonable center" is. It really is relative whether you like it or not. PPP and MQM are trash parties as far as I'm concerned but in Pakistan they are secular while N-League is conservative based on the norm.

 

[PakLFC]

Blasphemy needs to be properly defined. Rejecting the Holy Prophet(saw) as a Prophet, refusing to accept the Qur'an as a divine book or converting from Islam are not blasphemy like most Pakistanis and even Muslim's think. The man who claims to "make sure....." was once wanting offices for the Taliban in Islamabad.

 

[Major]

Just get rid of this draconian law.

just for saying that one could be killed in Pakistan under blasphemy.

Look at Salman Tasser the CM of Punjab..

No one could take risk with this law, any who tries to change it could be killed by anyone. The jahil guards, a waiter, servent, anyone.

Thats how jahil our awaam is.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

just for saying that one could be killed in Pakistan under blasphemy.

Look at Salman Tasser the CM of Punjab..

No one could take risk with this law, any who tries to change it could be killed by anyone. The jahil guards, a waiter, servent, anyone.

Thats how jahil our awaam is.

The Badooz were Jaahil aswell did they do such things ?

Open up and tell who teaches then these extremist unislamic doctrines ?


For heavens sake he was Governor Major Ji

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Blasphemy needs to be properly defined. Rejecting the Holy Prophet(saw) as a Prophet, refusing to accept the Qur'an as a divine book or converting from Islam are not blasphemy like most Pakistanis and even Muslim's think. The man who claims to "make sure....." was once wanting offices for the Taliban in Islamabad.

For God sake Peshawar not Islamabad.


There can never be a universal definition of blasphemy in religion. This is sole reason Allah kept this matter solely with HIMSELF.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

lol there are no secular parties in Pakistan. In fact it is probably the only things all parties agree upon! That there must be some sort of Islamist in there midst. Disgusting.

There are secular parties. But this and another issue can risk their lives so they don't speak up as they can't else they will be eliminated in no time.

 

[PakLFC]

For God sake Peshawar not Islamabad.


There can never be a universal definition of blasphemy in religion. This is sole reason Allah kept this matter solely with HIMSELF.

Well Peshawar it was then not that it makes any difference as both are part of Pakistan. If Allah decides on blasphemy then only he can punish those who are guilty off it.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Well Peshawar it was then not that it makes any difference as both are part of Pakistan. If Allah decides on blasphemy then only he can punish those who are guilty off it.

I hope 72 Sects majority Islamic Scholars agree with you. Currently they don't so nothing would change.

 

[shaz619]

Abolish this inhumane law

 

[PakLFC]

I hope 72 Sects majority Islamic Scholars agree with you. Currently they don't so nothing would change.

That is the problem with Pakistan. Every scholar thinks he has the divine right to judge others without looking at themselves. These scholars have made Islam in to their business having never worked a day in their lives.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

That is the problem with Pakistan. Every scholar thinks he has the divine right to judge others without looking at themselves. These scholars have made Islam in to their business having never worked a day in their lives.

This is not just a Pakistan problem. This is our Ummah's universal issue. What are the Ulema's in UK doing ? Weren't fatwaaz of a group being Wajib ul Qatar recovered from U.K. Mosques ?


You just are lucky that You are in minority in U.K. and systems of country/government haven't been hijacked by Mullah and Mullah cracy doesn't rule.

 

[PakLFC]

This is not just a Pakistan problem. This is our Ummah's universal issue. What are the Ulema's in UK doing ? Weren't fatwaaz of a group being Wajib ul Qatar recovered from U.K. Mosques ?


You just are lucky that You are in minority in U.K. and systems of country/government haven't been hijacked by Mullah and Mullah cracy doesn't rule.

Never mind this non existent Ummah for now. First we need to get our own house in order before playing this role of leading the Muslim world. Even in the UK these Ulema only create divisions as you say. I just make namaz at the masjid then leave, peacefully. I am not interested in what they have to say anymore. I have told them many times not to bother me as I am not answerable to them.

 

[TalentSpotterPk]

Never mind this non existent Ummah for now. First we need to get our own house in order before playing this role of leading the Muslim world. Even in the UK these Ulema only create divisions as you say. I just make namaz at the masjid then leave, peacefully. I am not interested in what they have to say anymore. I have told them many times not to bother me as I am not answerable to them.

I am happy for you. Stay awayyyyyy. Kosounn meel durrrr.


If the situation would been ideal than I would have advised you to rather mingle exhibit brotherhood and learn.

 

[PakLFC]

I am happy for you. Stay awayyyyyy. Kosounn meel durrrr.


If the situation would been ideal than I would have advised you to rather mingle exhibit brotherhood and learn.

It is the Ulema that divides the Muslim people. I do have many non Muslim Pakistani friends who are dear to me. If we don't take care of Pakistan then no one well, no other Muslim country will come to our aid. If this Ummah thing ever becomes a reality then I will join the club, insha Allah! Be practical, not emotional.

 

[PakLFC]

I meant I have many non Pakistani Muslim friends.