"Wearing Hijab Is Indiscipline": Karnataka Minister On Students' Protest

[Lego20]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-60256262

Its funny how propaganda outlets like bbc/nyt/wpo and the ilks have keen interest and an open agenda (oozes out through the forceful language, narrative and graphics) in India's internal (non) events. Never seen such similar reports about the western internal events in Indian media.

 

[JaDed]

Its funny how propaganda outlets like bbc/nyt/wpo and the ilks have keen interest and an open agenda (oozes out through the forceful language, narrative and graphics) in India's internal (non) events. Never seen such similar reports about the western internal events in Indian media.

Like Republic Tv’s coverage of BJP budget.

 

[Lego20]

Like Republic Tv’s coverage of BJP budget.

Havent been following. If you are alleging bias with republic, that is still way more understandable/reasonable for an internal news outlet compared to an international one like bbc/nyt/wapo etc. Just shows either their colonial mentality or geopolitical bias or simply pay-for corruption. Wish the govt would ban these outlets in India for harboring and spewing their venomous propaganda.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Sikhs get to wear their turbans in France aswell.

Not in public schools.

 

[MenInG]

Its funny how propaganda outlets like bbc/nyt/wpo and the ilks have keen interest and an open agenda (oozes out through the forceful language, narrative and graphics) in India's internal (non) events. Never seen such similar reports about the western internal events in Indian media.

Its called news coverage without worrying about who has more money than you.

 

[MenInG]

Dont just dump news reports in this thread please.

Make sure each thing you add has a comment from you and explains clearly the relevance to this thread.

 

[MenInG]

Ok so seems there is some equality.

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Bengaluru: A spiralling controversy over hijabs or headscarves worn by Muslim women in schools and colleges in Karnataka, including a march of Hindu students wearing saffron scarves and shouting slogans, prompted the state government on Saturday to ban clothes "which disturb equality, integrity and public order".

"Invoking 133 (2) of the Karnataka Education Act-1983, which says a uniform style of clothes has to be worn compulsorily. The private school administration can choose a uniform of their choice," the government order said, adding that students have to follow a dress code chosen by authorities.

"In the event of the administrative committee not selecting a uniform, clothes which disturb equality, integrity and public law and order should not be worn," the order said.

"The education department has noticed that in some education institutions, the boys and girls have started behaving according to their religion, which hurts the equality and unity," it added.

Karnataka has seen an escalating row over religious attires since last month with right-wing groups in Udupi and Chikkamagaluru objecting to Muslim girls attending classes wearing hijabs.

The controversy quickly spread to other parts of the state with groups of Hindu students showing up to class in saffron scarves.

On Saturday, videos from Kundapur in the Udupi district showed boys and girls wearing the scarves over their college uniforms and raising slogans of "Jai Shri Ram (praise Lord Ram)".

With the issue now set to come up before the high court, Chief Minister Bommai on Friday held a meeting with Law and Education departments - which seems to have led to the new order.

On Tuesday, the Karnataka High Court will hear petitions filed by five girls studying in a government pre-university college in Udupi, questioning hijab restrictions.

The face-off has also taken a political turn as Congress leaders supported those wearing hijabs while the ruling BJP said it will not allow "Talibanisation" of education institutions.

Former Chief Minister Siddaramaiah of the Congress accused the BJP and RSS of trying to spark communal strife throughout the state and urged Chief Minister Basavaraj Bommai to immediately arrest those who instigate people.

"The constitution has given the right to practice any religion which means one can wear any clothes according to their religion. Prohibiting 'Hijab-wearing students from entering school is a violation of fundamental rights," he said.

The BJP's state president and Member of Parliament Nalin Kumar Kateel said the government will not allow hijab at educational institutions and will take strict measures to ensure that things go as per the rules of the school.

"There is a BJP government in this state, there is no room for hijab or any other related incidents. Schools are temples of mother Saraswathi (goddess of education); everyone should abide by rules and regulations there. Bringing religion there is not right, what students need is education, if someone can't follow rules they can choose their path elsewhere," he said.

Former Chief Minister HD Kumaraswamy hit out at both the BJP and Congress, asking the government to allow hijabs in places where it was allowed till now, and ban them at places where it was started recently.

https://www.ndtv.com/karnataka-news...disturb-law-2751408#pfrom=home-ndtv_topscroll

 

[Kroll]

On Saturday, videos from Kundapur in the Udupi district showed boys and girls wearing the scarves over their college uniforms and raising slogans of "Jai Shri Ram (praise Lord Ram)".

While the hijab is religious attire for Muslim girls and women, this clearly shows Hindu kids being indoctrinated with hate.

The face-off has also taken a political turn as Congress leaders supported those wearing hijabs while the ruling BJP said it will not allow "Talibanisation" of education institutions.

What? Muslim females wear hijab to educational institutions all over the world and long before Taliban even came to exist.

"The constitution has given the right to practice any religion which means one can wear any clothes according to their religion. Prohibiting 'Hijab-wearing students from entering school is a violation of fundamental rights," he said.

The Indian constitution is not worth the paper it's written on if students are not afforded the fundamental rights the constitution so proclaims.

 

[JaDed]

Arya Samaj schools is going to have a hard time too they don’t allow symbols as well .

I feel like they will be targeted now.

 

[JaDed]

Govnt schools shouldn’t have this restriction, private can !

 

[PakLFC]

I see Indian Hindu students are wearing saffron scarfs to make some point. No one stopping them it seem. Shashi Tharoor echo's my sentiments.

 

[Hasan]

Just another example why Jinnah was right. I thank Allah that my grandparents had the foresight to migrate from India to Pakistan.

“You are free; you are free to go to your temples. You are free to go to your mosques or to any other places of worship in this State of Pakistan” - Mohammed Ali Jinnah.

I pray for the well-being of the Indian Muslims.

 

[MP2011]

Ok so seems there is some equality.

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Bengaluru: A spiralling controversy over hijabs or headscarves worn by Muslim women in schools and colleges in Karnataka, including a march of Hindu students wearing saffron scarves and shouting slogans, prompted the state government on Saturday to ban clothes "which disturb equality, integrity and public order".

"Invoking 133 (2) of the Karnataka Education Act-1983, which says a uniform style of clothes has to be worn compulsorily. The private school administration can choose a uniform of their choice," the government order said, adding that students have to follow a dress code chosen by authorities.

"In the event of the administrative committee not selecting a uniform, clothes which disturb equality, integrity and public law and order should not be worn," the order said.

"The education department has noticed that in some education institutions, the boys and girls have started behaving according to their religion, which hurts the equality and unity," it added.

Karnataka has seen an escalating row over religious attires since last month with right-wing groups in Udupi and Chikkamagaluru objecting to Muslim girls attending classes wearing hijabs.

The controversy quickly spread to other parts of the state with groups of Hindu students showing up to class in saffron scarves.

On Saturday, videos from Kundapur in the Udupi district showed boys and girls wearing the scarves over their college uniforms and raising slogans of "Jai Shri Ram (praise Lord Ram)".

With the issue now set to come up before the high court, Chief Minister Bommai on Friday held a meeting with Law and Education departments - which seems to have led to the new order.

On Tuesday, the Karnataka High Court will hear petitions filed by five girls studying in a government pre-university college in Udupi, questioning hijab restrictions.

The face-off has also taken a political turn as Congress leaders supported those wearing hijabs while the ruling BJP said it will not allow "Talibanisation" of education institutions.

Former Chief Minister Siddaramaiah of the Congress accused the BJP and RSS of trying to spark communal strife throughout the state and urged Chief Minister Basavaraj Bommai to immediately arrest those who instigate people.

"The constitution has given the right to practice any religion which means one can wear any clothes according to their religion. Prohibiting 'Hijab-wearing students from entering school is a violation of fundamental rights," he said.

The BJP's state president and Member of Parliament Nalin Kumar Kateel said the government will not allow hijab at educational institutions and will take strict measures to ensure that things go as per the rules of the school.

"There is a BJP government in this state, there is no room for hijab or any other related incidents. Schools are temples of mother Saraswathi (goddess of education); everyone should abide by rules and regulations there. Bringing religion there is not right, what students need is education, if someone can't follow rules they can choose their path elsewhere," he said.

Former Chief Minister HD Kumaraswamy hit out at both the BJP and Congress, asking the government to allow hijabs in places where it was allowed till now, and ban them at places where it was started recently.

Thank you bloody sanghis for communalizing yet another institution!

Is there any limit how low these lowlives will stoop to?

 

[Itachi]

Former Chief Minister HD Kumaraswamy hit out at both the BJP and Congress, asking the government to allow hijabs in places where it was allowed till now, and ban them at places where it was started recently.

heh? How does that work? Where is the equality in this case?

 

[Kroll]

Hindutva and BJP showing how tough they are by targeting schoolgirls.

 

[LaLoco]

The idea of government has to forcefully impose on an individual by banning the harmless article of clothing defeats the purpose of secularism.

This has nothing to do with secularism because in secular world, one is allowed to wear whatever they wish to, as long as it is modest, particularly in government established settings.

India is far from a secular country despite whatever it says on black and white and in past few years India has moved further away from the idea of secularism - Indians have willingly dug deep their tentacles in communalism and are in no mood of getting out of it, particularly, when it is against the largest minoritie, Muslims.

 

[Itachi]

The idea of government has to forcefully impose on an individual by banning the harmless article of clothing defeats the purpose of secularism.

This has nothing to do with secularism because in secular world, one is allowed to wear whatever they wish to, as long as it is modest, particularly in government established settings.

India is far from a secular country despite whatever it says on black and white and in past few years India has moved further away from the idea of secularism - Indians have willingly dug deep their tentacles in communalism and are in no mood of getting out of it, particularly, when it is against the largest minoritie, Muslims.

So asking everyone to wear same attire in an institution as uniform is against secularism.... I guess some people have different meaning of secularism.

 

[kumjsr]

So asking everyone to wear same attire in an institution as uniform is against secularism.... I guess some people have different meaning of secularism.

Do you think that school banned entry of students now and they were allowed earlier?

If you see reports, you will find that earlier they were following school uniform and there was no problem.

All of a sudden people thought that it's important to maintain religious identity and people have strong feeling about it. Existing practices provided an environment where it's difficult to distiguish between Hindu, Muslim and Christian girls in a normal school in India.

This lack of separation from Hindu to Muslims kids was probably difficult for adults and that's when things changed.

If Muslims parents don't want their kids to be mixed up with Hindu kids, then what can govt do.

Education of child (especially girl child) is far important than maintaining equality at schools. Literacy rate among Muslims is already low at 81% male and 69% female. Once education part is covered, I guess equality and secular values will follow.

 

[kumjsr]

Govnt schools shouldn’t have this restriction, private can !

Shouldn't this be just opposite?

Private schools should be able to do away with uniforms and even allow casual dresses.

Govt schools which are meant for students from all sections of society have more reasons for ensure that their less differentiation among students.

 

[Kroll]

So asking everyone to wear same attire in an institution as uniform is against secularism.... I guess some people have different meaning of secularism.

Loads of school kids around the world still wear turban, hijab etc. with their school uniform.

 

[kumjsr]

Loads of school kids around the world still wear turban, hijab etc. with their school uniform.

My school had over 7000 kids with probably 100s of Muslims girls.

I have never seen Muslim girls wearing hijab in my school at my hometown.

Mostly it was either white shirt and blue skirt or white salwar kameez with blue dupatta worn by all female students.

And it was unlikely that anyone could tell that a kid is Hindu or Muslim or rich or poor.

 

[Itachi]

Loads of school kids around the world still wear turban, hijab etc. with their school uniform.

So?

Japanese schools have mini skirts as school uniform. Should Islamic countries do the same?

 

[JaDed]

Shouldn't this be just opposite?

Private schools should be able to do away with uniforms and even allow casual dresses.

Govt schools which are meant for students from all sections of society have more reasons for ensure that their less differentiation among students.

Private can do what they want.. (we can’t dictate in this aspect). Govnt should have no restriction on education! Any modest clothes is good enough, this is bonkers.

 

[Kroll]

My school had over 7000 kids with probably 100s of Muslims girls.

I have never seen Muslim girls wearing hijab in my school at my hometown.

Mostly it was either white shirt and blue skirt or white salwar kameez with blue dupatta worn by all female students.

And it was unlikely that anyone could tell that a kid is Hindu or Muslim or rich or poor.

Proof, or it never happened!

Anyway, you can still use dupatta to drape over the head, not sure if the schools are banning that as well.

With due respect your hometown doesn't constitute the world.

 

[Kroll]

So?

Japanese schools have mini skirts as school uniform. Should Islamic countries do the same?

What are you talking about?

Your argument was that wearing hijab somehow changes the standardisation of the school uniform, but the girls will still be wearing school uniform.

 

[Kroll]

Can't believe some posters are supporting this discrimination and evil practice.

Utterly shameful.

 

[LaLoco]

So asking everyone to wear same attire in an institution as uniform is against secularism.... I guess some people have different meaning of secularism.

So?

Japanese schools have mini skirts as school uniform. Should Islamic countries do the same?

Your comments are always all over the place to try to fit only one objective.

 

[kumjsr]

Can't believe some posters are supporting this discrimination and evil practice.

Utterly shameful.

Look up the meaning of the word discrimination first.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Look up the meaning of the word discrimination first.

You sound well versed in English. Are you actually a British Indian?

 

[IMMY69]

Why can't some of our Indian posters here just admit that it's such a silly rule to stop a girl wearing a hijab to school.

 

[Kroll]

Look up the meaning of the word discrimination first.

Apologies, I'm not reaching your lofty standards of the English language. Do enlighten us all on what it actually is?

But yes, lets discuss my English skills rather than the thread topic of barring girls from going to school.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Why can't some of our Indian posters here just admit that it's such a silly rule to stop a girl wearing a hijab to school.

Some of them are still pretending they are French.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Private can do what they want.. (we can’t dictate in this aspect). Govnt should have no restriction on education! Any modest clothes is good enough, this is bonkers.

School uniform has been the rule since forever.

 

[PakLFC]

The point is not if Indian Muslim girls choose to observe the hijab are not. The argument is that those who wish to do so should be allowed as is the case in the western educational institutions. If religious symbols like the Christian crucifix are allowed then why should a piece of cloth be banned when it is not at the expense at the school uniform?

https://hindutvawatch.org/karnataka...affron-scarves-chant-jai-shri-ram-in-protest/

 

[kumjsr]

Apologies, I'm not reaching your lofty standards of the English language. Do enlighten us all on what it actually is?

But yes, lets discuss my English skills rather than the thread topic of barring girls from going to school.

You don't need lofty standards to understand what does discrimination mean. Instead of getting offended, trying to learn the meaning will help you only in making argument in this thread.

 

[Itachi]

What are you talking about?

Your argument was that wearing hijab somehow changes the standardisation of the school uniform, but the girls will still be wearing school uniform.

Your argument was "Loads of school kids around the world still wear turban, hijab etc. with their school uniform"

On that context, if a country has to follow what is going on in another country, then Islamic countries should also allow mini skirts in schools as in the case of Japan.

You can't pick and choose or otherwise it's hypocrisy.

 

[Itachi]

Your comments are always all over the place to try to fit only one objective.

Your post adds nothing to the discussion. If you have any objection to what I wrote, I request you to write a counter argument.

These kinds of post just adds noise to a thread, it is neither helpful and on the other hand, brings the quality of PP down.

 

[kumjsr]

The point is not if Indian Muslim girls choose to observe the hijab are not. The argument is that those who wish to do so should be allowed as is the case in the western educational institutions. If religious symbols like the Christian crucifix are allowed then why should a piece of cloth be banned when it is not at the expense at the school uniform?

https://hindutvawatch.org/karnataka...affron-scarves-chant-jai-shri-ram-in-protest/

I don't think anyone has presented this argument yet that just like western countries rule of uniform should be removed entirely.

 

[Itachi]

Apologies, I'm not reaching your lofty standards of the English language. Do enlighten us all on what it actually is?

But yes, lets discuss my English skills rather than the thread topic of barring girls from going to school.

Discrimination would be allowing some others to have privileges while forbidding the same for others.

Here, a uniform which is same for all is imposed. No one can differentiate a Hindu or Muslim or students from any other religion just by looking at it.

If you want to practice your religion, do whatever you want to do at home. But don't bring it to public institutions.

 

[kumjsr]

Now the Kundapura govt college has decided to allow Hijab wearing students into classroom by providing a separate classroom where they can enter without hijab.

If parents agree to this, then I have to say that college was too late in trying out a simple workaround.

 

[PakLFC]

I don't think anyone has presented this argument yet that just like western countries rule of uniform should be removed entirely.

The Hindutva family are making a quarrel over the exact thing.

 

[kumjsr]

The Hindutva family are making a quarrel over the exact thing.

When did Hindutva family started this?

That college is 135 years old. Can you explain how all students were able attend classes for so many years and what changed all of a sudden?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Now the Kundapura govt college has decided to allow Hijab wearing students into classroom by providing a separate classroom where they can enter without hijab.

If parents agree to this, then I have to say that college was too late in trying out a simple workaround.

This is even worse.

 

[Itachi]

This is even worse.

This probably came out from the complaints that some Muslim girls are not comfortable around opposite gender teachers. Eventually probably only female teachers will be allotted to that group.

 

[MenInG]

This is even worse.

I dont agree with segregation at all. This is taking things too far.

 

[shah_1]

See how Srk is being hated when he attended Lata's funeral.

India is slowing turning into a nightmare for Indian Muslims.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This probably came out from the complaints that some Muslim girls are not comfortable around opposite gender teachers. Eventually probably only female teachers will be allotted to that group.

Thats stupidity. The matter is in the court. Let them decide.

What next? No male students allowed? No male staff? Separate bus?

This is utter nonsense m

 

[Itachi]

Thats stupidity. The matter is in the court. Let them decide.

What next? No male students allowed? No male staff? Separate bus?

This is utter nonsense m

It was a female only college. And some female Muslim students complained that they want to wear hijab because they are not comfortable around the teachers from opposite gender.

 

[kumjsr]

It was a female only college. And some female Muslim students complained that they want to wear hijab because they are not comfortable around the teachers from opposite gender.

How were they able to attend classes earlier?

Was there no male teachers?

 

[kumjsr]

I dont agree with segregation at all. This is taking things too far.

Isn't that what students are demanding? To maintain religious identity and be able to segregate from Hindus?

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Thats stupidity. The matter is in the court. Let them decide.

What next? No male students allowed? No male staff? Separate bus?

This is utter nonsense m

To you it’s non-sense - you are free to leave the country - never return if you are already out.

 

[MenInG]

Isn't that what students are demanding? To maintain religious identity and be able to segregate from Hindus?

Think about it.

Sitting in a same classroom, wearing what they feel comfortable with, versus sitting in different classes etc.

 

[kumjsr]

Think about it.

Sitting in a same classroom, wearing what they feel comfortable with, versus sitting in different classes etc.

That's why I called it a workaround.

It has become full blown political issue now. Whatever time it takes to resolve the issue, they probably have their exams in 1-2 months.

Until this resolved, at least they should be able to proceed with their course.

Consider a scenario where they get a favorable result from court in say 5 months, who will cover up for the missed opportunity to appear for the exams?

 

[Itachi]

Think about it.

Sitting in a same classroom, wearing what they feel comfortable with, versus sitting in different classes etc.

If one doesn't feel comfortable wearing a uniform, should they allow to come in a casual dress?

Its like opening a can of worms where all or none policy applies. If one is allowed to do whatever they feel comfortable with, the same applies for others too.

 

[IMMY69]

Separating them and having a different class is even more draconian and if anything shows even more prejudice..."Lets separate all the girls who want to wear a hijab", is that not discrimination?

Also, in the UK where there are School uniforms (pretty much every school), the girls have to wear a certain length skirt, it cannot be above the knee. Some schools also don't allow jewellery to be worn such as earrings, but if a girl wants to cover her with a scarf due to her religion then that is very much allowed.

 

[IMMY69]

The real problem as I see it is not that the school is preventing girls from wearing scarves on their heads.
Don't get me wrong, I think this is unacceptable. But the actual fault lies with the people who seem so caught up with Nationalism that they either can't see its wrong or just refuse to admit it.

 

[Itachi]

Separating them and having a different class is even more draconian and if anything shows even more prejudice..."Lets separate all the girls who want to wear a hijab", is that not discrimination?

Also, in the UK where there are School uniforms (pretty much every school), the girls have to wear a certain length skirt, it cannot be above the knee. Some schools also don't allow jewellery to be worn such as earrings, but if a girl wants to cover her with a scarf due to her religion then that is very much allowed.

If someone wanted to be treated differently and then they are allowed, I don't think it should count as discrimination.

Many work places provide a separate room for namaz. In my uni also, there was a room for namaz. Should we call it discrimination?

 

[IMMY69]

If someone wanted to be treated differently and then they are allowed, I don't think it should count as discrimination.

Many work places provide a separate room for namaz. In my uni also, there was a room for namaz. Should we call it discrimination?

I don't think its appropriate to compare a prayer room with a classroom.
Also, I would have been upset if my university had prevented non muslims from entering the prayer room.
Does this happen in India?

 

[Itachi]

I don't think its appropriate to compare a prayer room with a classroom.
Also, I would have been upset if my university had prevented non muslims from entering the prayer room.
Does this happen in India?

Schools, uni doesn't have any prayer rooms in general. Missionary schools are different.

The point is, there is uniform rule for all students regardless of the religion. If they are uncomfortable, then they should be separated. The girls already stated that they are not comfortable around teachers of opposite gender. Then why should male teachers should be prevented taking class where the other girls have no objection?

Doesn't it make sense that they are separated and provide a different accommodation so that they can wear what they or get taught by whom they want?

 

[IMMY69]

Schools, uni doesn't have any prayer rooms in general. Missionary schools are different.

The point is, there is uniform rule for all students regardless of the religion. If they are uncomfortable, then they should be separated. The girls already stated that they are not comfortable around teachers of opposite gender. Then why should male teachers should be prevented taking class where the other girls have no objection?

Doesn't it make sense that they are separated and provide a different accommodation so that they can wear what they or get taught by whom they want?

Aren't we only talking about wearing a hijab here?
Have a missed something?
A school is now ok to flaunt its uniform rules by segregating the girls who want to cover their hair?

I must have missed something because its not making much sense to me

 

[cricketjoshila]

To you it’s non-sense - you are free to leave the country - never return if you are already out.

A Pakistani telling an Indian to leave his country. LoL.

May be those who cannot follow the rules of the country should leave.

 

[kumjsr]

Aren't we only talking about wearing a hijab here?
Have a missed something?
A school is now ok to flaunt its uniform rules by segregating the girls who want to cover their hair?

I must have missed something because its not making much sense to me

And who guraantees that this is only demand in future?

What will happen if next demand is that presence of male teachers in the classroom?

After that if next issue is about presence of idol worshipping Hindus being in classroom making others uncomfortable?

Best would be let courts decide and allow them to wear hijab. After that if any issue comes up, it will be handled by judiciary instead of schools making arbitary rules.

 

[IMMY69]

And who guraantees that this is only demand in future?

What will happen if next demand is that presence of male teachers in the classroom?

After that if next issue is about presence of idol worshipping Hindus being in classroom making others uncomfortable?

Best would be let courts decide and allow them to wear hijab. After that if any issue comes up, it will be handled by judiciary instead of schools making arbitary rules.

One step at a time.

But I assure you that if such demands were forthcoming I myself would tell them to take a hike as I'm sure many others on here would too.

 

[LaLoco]

America, Canada, Britain, some of the few countries which epitomize secularism but here we have lordly pretentious Indian secularists conveniently changing the definition of secularism to fit their agenda and the example used to support their morphed definition is Japan and Islamic country - insanity -lol

 

[Itachi]

Aren't we only talking about wearing a hijab here?
Have a missed something?
A school is now ok to flaunt its uniform rules by segregating the girls who want to cover their hair?

I must have missed something because its not making much sense to me

Many girls stated that they want to wear hijab because they are not comfortable with the presence of male teacher.

Its not only the hijab that is the crux of the issue.

 

[cricketjoshila]

America, Canada, Britain, some of the few countries which epitomize secularism but here we have lordly pretentious Indian secularists conveniently changing the definition of secularism to fit their agenda and the example used to support their morphed definition is Japan and Islamic country - insanity -lol

We are a country of 1.3bn and a economy thst exceeds Canada and almost equals Britain. We don't need to learn how to run our country from them.

Btw i can post pics of Arab leaders and their families with no hijab. Amusing how people who brought Islam to the subcontinent don't think hijab is necessary.

Go listen to Egyptian President Naseer's speech making fun of a cleric who wanted compulsory hijab. Or visit Turkey where many turkish woman are on streets without a hijab. Or may be look up the family pictures of the Jordanian royal family with ladies without the hijab.

 

[LaLoco]

We are a country of 1.3bn and a economy thst exceeds Canada and almost equals Britain. We don't need to learn how to run our country from them.

Btw i can post pics of Arab leaders and their families with no hijab. Amusing how people who brought Islam to the subcontinent don't think hijab is necessary.

Go listen to Egyptian President Naseer's speech making fun of a cleric who wanted compulsory hijab. Or visit Turkey where many turkish woman are on streets without a hijab. Or may be look up the family pictures of the Jordanian royal family with ladies without the hijab.

Another perfect example of not being able to comprehend what secularism is by giving example of others who chose not to wear a religious attire.

It also highlight other point, some of the hardcore Hindutva have already made up their mind that Hijab is not compulsory in Islam.

 

[IMMY69]

Many girls stated that they want to wear hijab because they are not comfortable with the presence of male teacher.

Its not only the hijab that is the crux of the issue.

So the girls want to wear a hijab because they are not comfortable in the presence of mail teachers means they should be segregated? A bit extreme isn't it?

 

[LaLoco]

Lets see a Sikh going to court in India, versus a Muslim girl going to court in India asking for permission to preserve her modesty...What are the chances here?

We are a country of 1.3bn and a economy thst exceeds Canada and almost equals Britain. We don't need to learn how to run our country from them.

Btw i can post pics of Arab leaders and their families with no hijab. Amusing how people who brought Islam to the subcontinent don't think hijab is necessary.

Go listen to Egyptian President Naseer's speech making fun of a cleric who wanted compulsory hijab. Or visit Turkey where many turkish woman are on streets without a hijab. Or may be look up the family pictures of the Jordanian royal family with ladies without the hijab.

Another perfect example of not being able to comprehend what secularism is by giving example of others who chose not to wear a religious attire.

It also highlight other point, some of the hardcore Hindutva have already made up their mind that Hijab is not compulsory in Islam.

So hijab may not be compulsory in Islam but mandatory - but that is beside the point, which will probably made an important point in India against Muslims due to their morphed definition of secularism.

As some of us already predicted, and the poor examples to support that morphed definition used by few Hindutva followers is at display in this thread, and it varies from "Japan and Islamic school" to "the wife of sheikh of UAE is not wearing it".

It highlights the lack of understanding of the world secularism - which mean in countries that epitomize secularism - wear whatever you wish to as long as it is modest and not offensive, including religious attire. When a nation start imposing restriction on religious attire then that isn't secularism, that is dipping your toes in authoritarianism - and it has been made quite evident by many Hindutva, they wish to impose it on the minority disguised as secularism.

It also highlights the extend some of the Hindutva followers, atheist and religious, will go to impose any and all subjugation on Muslims in the name of morphed definition of secularism.

 

[Itachi]

So the girls want to wear a hijab because they are not comfortable in the presence of mail teachers means they should be segregated? A bit extreme isn't it?

what can be done?

forcing them to be taught by male teachers will be even uglier and may fall in to law suit. On the other hand, majority of the female students have not raised any complaints regarding the teachers so based upon "uncomfortableness" of some students, you can not/should not change the teaching staff.

So better segregate them, allow them what they want to wear, be taught by whom they want to be taught in the long run.

 

[Itachi]

So hijab may not be compulsory in Islam but mandatory - but that is beside the point, which will probably made an important point in India against Muslims due to their morphed definition of secularism.

As some of us already predicted, and the poor examples to support that morphed definition used by few Hindutva followers is at display in this thread, and it varies from "Japan and Islamic school" to "the wife of sheikh of UAE is not wearing it".

It highlights the lack of understanding of the world secularism - which mean in countries that epitomize secularism - wear whatever you wish to as long as it is modest and not offensive, including religious attire. When a nation start imposing restriction on religious attire then that isn't secularism, that is dipping your toes in authoritarianism - and it has been made quite evident by many Hindutva, they wish to impose it on the minority disguised as secularism.

It also highlights the extend some of the Hindutva followers, atheist and religious, will go to impose any and all subjugation on Muslims in the name of morphed definition of secularism.

Everything is relative. Even the definition of secularism is.

For example, for me, forcing to wear uniform regardless of religion is secularism.

On the other hand, for some here, forcing to wear uniform is not secularism.

 

[Hassaan HS]

Protests over classroom hijab ban grow in India

A ban on Islamic headscarves or hijab at schools has prompted an outcry among Muslims in southern India, with large crowds taking to the streets on Monday to protest against the restrictions.

The stand-off in Karnataka state has galvanised fears among the minority community about what they say is increasing persecution under the Hindu nationalist government of Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

Students at a government-run high school were told not to wear hijabs last month, an edict that soon spread to at least two other educational institutions in the state."It's discriminatory in nature and also it's against the rights that are provided under the constitution of India," Sumayya Roushan, president of the Girls Islamic Organisation Karnataka, said at a Monday press conference.Roushan said the ban violated "a personal choice that the students are entitled to, which doesn't... harm any other person".

Social media footage showed hundreds of people gathered on roads and waving Indian flags in at least two towns in Karnataka, the latest in several days of demonstrations held to condemn the bans.

One of the schools has since partially yielded, allowing its female Muslim students to attend class with a hijab but instructing them to sit in separate classrooms, according to local media.Two other schools that had implemented a hijab ban declared a holiday and were closed on Monday.

Modi's right-wing Bharatiya Janata Party governs Karnataka state and several prominent members have thrown their support behind the ban, which has been criticised by other political leaders.

"By letting students' hijab come in the way of their education, we are robbing the future of the daughters of India," Rahul Gandhi of the opposition Congress party tweeted last week.

The state's top court is expected to hear petitions on Tuesday and rule on whether to overturn the bans.

https://tribune.com.pk/story/2342418/protests-over-classroom-hijab-ban-grow-in-india

 

[Theanonymousone]

This hijab thing is being blown out of proportion I feel

I agree that uniform is to promote equality among students but I personally don't think wearing hijab or a turban or a religious thread on hand will meddle with school activities. I remember in my school days, students used to wear “Ayyappa mala” a practice that requires to wear black colored clothes for 40 odd days without any footwear and it was allowed. And it nowhere meddled with school activities of any-other students.

And as school students are minors, some relaxation in rules should be allowed and be taught in a different manner rather than banning hijab altogether.

The major issue here is the reason behind hijab. If the girls feel uncomfortable with male teachers, that itself meddle with school activities and their future too…..I dont know any field that only deals working with only females. Hence, this needs to be taught among students/children rather than enforcing them.

I would say if hijab is worn to make them comfortable from male teachers, this issue needs to be resolved during undergrad when students are 18+ and not minors (they can be responsible for their own actions). Even a ban in such case is not infact meddling with their religious rights but probably not adapting to the current social norms.

 

[Kroll]

You don't need lofty standards to understand what does discrimination mean. Instead of getting offended, trying to learn the meaning will help you only in making argument in this thread.

So what is it then? They're banning a whole group who wish to exercise the religious freedom availed to them via the constitution.

And why are these types of issues only propping up since the BJP came to power?

 

[Kroll]

You don't need lofty standards to understand what does discrimination mean. Instead of getting offended, trying to learn the meaning will help you only in making argument in this thread.

Forget the language semantics for a minute here. Are you condoning this disgraceful behaviour by the school authorities? You think these people are 'hard' cos they're targeting school girls?

 

[Kroll]

Your argument was "Loads of school kids around the world still wear turban, hijab etc. with their school uniform"

On that context, if a country has to follow what is going on in another country, then Islamic countries should also allow mini skirts in schools as in the case of Japan.

You can't pick and choose or otherwise it's hypocrisy.

Your point actually reinforces my earlier point in that hijab does not change the standardisation of the school uniform, it is an article of faith that someone wears due to their religious belief.

Why is targeting of Muslims increasing in frequency and ferocity since BJP came to power? You condoning this behaviour by school authorities based on nothing but hate for a minority group?

 

[JaDed]

School uniform has been the rule since forever.

And Hijab can be of uniform color no issues there, or do you think that’s an issue now?

 

[JaDed]

America, Canada, Britain, some of the few countries which epitomize secularism but here we have lordly pretentious Indian secularists conveniently changing the definition of secularism to fit their agenda and the example used to support their morphed definition is Japan and Islamic country - insanity -lol

So you think if tomorrow BJP declares it a Hindu nation all your criticism would stop?

Imo regardless of what the Nation calls itself they should be pressurized to come into the 21st century.
Which clearly BJP isn’t in.

 

[kumjsr]

Your point actually reinforces my earlier point in that hijab does not change the standardisation of the school uniform, it is an article of faith that someone wears due to their religious belief.

Why is targeting of Muslims increasing in frequency and ferocity since BJP came to power? You condoning this behaviour by school authorities based on nothing but hate for a minority group?

Answer to this question lies in answer to this question - why is targeting of Hindus increasing in frequency in last 5 years?

 

[Itachi]

Your point actually reinforces my earlier point in that hijab does not change the standardisation of the school uniform, it is an article of faith that someone wears due to their religious belief.

Why is targeting of Muslims increasing in frequency and ferocity since BJP came to power? You condoning this behaviour by school authorities based on nothing but hate for a minority group?

The school authority does.

If anyone has objection. They can protest and they did.

Legal jurisdiction will come in to play which it DID.

That's a healthy democracy.