"Wearing Hijab Is Indiscipline": Karnataka Minister On Students' Protest

[Colorblind Genius]

Minority, majority or whatever the entity is, they can maintain their identity as long as it doesn't get conflict with part III of Indian constitution.

We have lots of tribes in North east India where many customs were banned since it doesn't fall in line with Indian constitution.

For us Indians, the nationality takes more importance than religion. The Indian Muslim community has time and time reminded Pakistan that whatever issues they may face, it's a domestic issue and Pakistan or rest of the Muslim community doesn't need to put their head in to it. Yeh ghar ka maamla hain, isko ghar ke andar hi rakhenge. That's what they stated during CAA and now.

You just stated that you want hijab removal so that one won’t be able to distinguish between a minority and majority and vice a versa.

 

[Itachi]

You just stated that you want hijab removal so that one won’t be able to distinguish between a minority and majority and vice a versa.

Yes. That was my point.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

You didn't answer the actual question.

What if the minority wants to preserve their actual identity in a peaceful manner? Do you understand the concept of diversity?

And again, why don't you start with Sikh turban?

They believe the Hijab is oppressive, and its up to the "Veer" Hindus to save Muslim girls from the Arabian cult. On the other hand the Sikh turban is "essential" to their faith, even though millions of Sikhs dont wear it. In addition they believe the Sikh turban is a symbol of pride, and is not forced, even though children are taught since birth to wear it.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

What religious symbols are allowed that should go?


The girls met their local ulema and the ulema association they both said that hijab inside the classroom isnt necessary.

Some neutral scholars also have said that Hijab isnt necessary.

Please find me a sikh authority who says cutting hair is fine.

Everything, if you want to be fair. The Sikh turban, bindi, a visible cross, etc. If you ban everything like the French no one can accuse the govt of being unfair by also banning the hijab.

Please find me a sikh authority who says cutting hair is fine.

Their are millions of Sikhs. Surely some must agree that cutting hair is ok. After all millions of Sikhs cut their hair. And if none of them do, they can just wait till they are finished with their education to grow their hair.

 

[Technics 1210]

Removing attire for the excuse one will not be seen as a minority in a cesspit of a majority is a joke beyond belief when in India the colour of your skin, and your caste, determin your destiny at the time you are born.

Oh look, a piece of clothing is now more important than caste and colour in India for the sake of equality.

The OP is nothing but an excuse and attempt to ridicule Muslims in India.

If Hindus were adamant for equality then the first step would be to abolish the abhorrent and discriminate caste system, no instead lets ban a piece of clothing, because all is fair and lovely in the 4th reich.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Everything, if you want to be fair. The Sikh turban, bindi, a visible cross, etc. If you ban everything like the French no one can accuse the govt of being unfair by also banning the hijab.



Their are millions of Sikhs. Surely some must agree that cutting hair is ok. After all millions of Sikhs cut their hair. And if none of them do, they can just wait till they are finished with their education to grow their hair.

Hindus have been fined for wearing mehendi or a tilak in schools. What are you on about?

Christians too dont get to wear the cross.

The only thing that is allowed is the Sikh Dastaar. Not even full turban.

 

[Kroll]

Allowing hijab is not promoting divisiveness. In fact its acknowledging India's rich diversity and culture.

Islam is integral part of India's history and culture, no RSS or Hindutva goon can deny this no matter how much they cry.

In fact Islamic rule should be brought back to India to restore peace and order.

 

[Romali_rotti]

In fact Islamic rule should be brought back to India to restore peace and order.

This...


I keep saying this over and over again, if Pakistani Brits were in charge of Pakistan they would have already taken back Indian Kashmir and would have had India on its knees.

Too bad Pakistanis in Pakistan don't have half the guts of the British Pakistani keyboard warriors.

 

[MenInG]

Stick to the topic of this thread

 

[Romali_rotti]

A group of powerful Kuwaiti parliamentarians had demanded of the government of Kuwait to put an immediate ban on the entry of any member of the ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) of India into Kuwait.

The eleven parliamentarians wrote a letter to the Speaker of the National Assembly about atrocities being committed by the ruling BJP in India against the Muslim minority.

In a tweet on the social media platform Twitter, they said “We can’t sit back and watch Muslim girls being publicly persecuted they said. Time for the Ummah to unite.” They said female Muslim students were being stopped from entering educational institutions in Hijab.

Kuwaiti activists gathered in Irada Square in Kuwait City last week to support Muslim women in India following a ban on hijab at schools and colleges in the southern Indian state of Karnataka.

The women’s wing of the Islamic Constitutional Movement also staged a protest at the Green Island’s parking in front of the Indian embassy in Kuwait in support of Muslim women in India following the ban on hijab in schools.

A day ago, Singapore Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said that “almost half” of the parliamentarians in India's Lok Sabha — the lower house of parliament — have criminal charges against them.

“Nehru's India has become one where ... almost half the MPs in the Lok Sabha have criminal charges pending against them, including charges of rape and murder,” Loong said.

Loong made the comment in Singapore's parliament on Wednesday during a debate about accusations of lying levelled at a member of the opposition. He did add, however, that many of the charges were politically motivated.

Indian media reported that Singapore's ambassador had been summoned to the foreign ministry to explain. The Indian ministry declined to comment but an official there criticised what the Singapore leader said.

"The remarks by the prime minister of Singapore were uncalled for," said the official, who declined to be identified. "We have taken up the matter with the Singaporean side." Loong's office said it had nothing to add.

Looks like there were no Kuwait's Arabs who made such statements, it seems to be a Pakistani pretending to be an Arab.. We have seen this before

https://scroll.in/latest/1017737/hi...indian-embassy-in-kuwait-for-anti-india-tweet

 

[Itachi]

Looks like there were no Kuwait's Arabs who made such statements, it seems to be a Pakistani pretending to be an Arab.. We have seen this before

https://scroll.in/latest/1017737/hi...indian-embassy-in-kuwait-for-anti-india-tweet

So.... Another misleading news?

 

[IAJ]

Looks like there were no Kuwait's Arabs who made such statements, it seems to be a Pakistani pretending to be an Arab.. We have seen this before

https://scroll.in/latest/1017737/hi...indian-embassy-in-kuwait-for-anti-india-tweet

The Kuwaiti MP who wrote the letter to the Parliament, is he now a pakistani?

He surely has a very 'paksitani' name; Dr. Saleh TH Al-Mutairi

 

[Romali_rotti]

The Kuwaiti MP who wrote the letter to the Parliament, is he now a pakistani?

He surely has a very 'paksitani' name; Dr. Saleh TH Al-Mutairi

Well we have seen Pakistanis in the past pretending to Arab on twitter to promote their agenda on India related issues.

Oh and they also came up with Arab names instead of Pakistani ones to add more Ouummph to the post as if they posted as Pakistani they hold no weight to the international community..

I did say it 'seems' to be a Pakistani, so there is room for ambiguity there

 

[Kroll]

This...


I keep saying this over and over again, if Pakistani Brits were in charge of Pakistan they would have already taken back Indian Kashmir and would have had India on its knees.

Too bad Pakistanis in Pakistan don't have half the guts of the British Pakistani keyboard warriors.

I know, they need the guts of the Hindutva brigade threatening hijab wearing teenage girls.

Those lot are so hard.

 

[LaLoco]

So after 11 pages of it, Indians are still trying to justify their bigotry by comparing with Pakistan, re-defining religion, counterfeit tailored Hindutva driven secularism, democracy, and 'my country my rule'.

 

[Lonewarrior]

Looks like there were no Kuwait's Arabs who made such statements, it seems to be a Pakistani pretending to be an Arab.. We have seen this before

https://scroll.in/latest/1017737/hi...indian-embassy-in-kuwait-for-anti-india-tweet

indeed, looks like all are Bakistanis ......

 

[Itachi]

They're not Indians. Real Indians won't ever justify this outright and clear bigotry in the name of uniform.

However, this is still nothing. These guys will even justify the planned lynchings of Muslims if required so this is still child's play for them.

So.... Anyone who doesn't agree with you is non Indian?

Its sad because even the BJP supporters haven't accused of being non Indian even after criticism yet if one justifies the act of Indian govt, you call them non Indian.

The intolerance in liberals seems to be very high where they will give out definition of who Indian is.

 

[cricketjoshila]

So.... Anyone who doesn't agree with you is non Indian?

Its sad because even the BJP supporters haven't accused of being non Indian even after criticism yet if one justifies the act of Indian govt, you call them non Indian.

The intolerance in liberals seems to be very high where they will give out definition of who Indian is.

Thank god the leftist and liberals are losing ground in India and fast.

 

[Itachi]

Thank god the leftist and liberals are losing ground in India and fast.

They went too far to make their claims as realistic ones and shot on their own foot.

 

[cricketjoshila]

They went too far to make their claims as realistic ones and shot on their own foot.

If only they were really liberal, they would have gained support. Their liberalism is basically anti hinduism.

 

[Itachi]

If only they were really liberal, they would have gained support. Their liberalism is basically anti hinduism.

Because I guess now it is "cool" to be anti hindu or anti Indian.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Because I guess now it is "cool" to be anti hindu or anti Indian.

By wearing a hijab to school?

 

[transparent opacity]

Kannada Actor Chetan Kumar Arrested For Tweet Against Judge Hearing Hijab Case

Kannada film actor and activist Chetan Ahimsa has been arrested by Bengaluru City Police.

Bengaluru: Kannada film actor Chetan Kumar Ahimsa has been arrested allegedly for his objectionable tweet against the a High Court judge who is hearing the Hijab case.
"Kannada film actor and activist Chetan Ahimsa has been arrested by Bengaluru City Police. An on-its-own FIR was registered on Tuesday and under 505(2) and 504 of the IPC. Based on the tweet, the FIR was registered in Sheshadripuram Police Station," M N Anucheth, the Deputy Commissioner of Police of Central Division said in a statement

Chetan had allegedly tweeted against a High Court judge hearing the Hijab case.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/kan...hijab-case-2783382#pfrom=home-ndtv_topstories

 

[cricketjoshila]

Because I guess now it is "cool" to be anti hindu or anti Indian.

Thats what happens when you have a Nehruvian sickularism and a long list of education ministers who were interested in demonising hindus for their own selfish reasons.

 

[kumjsr]

On the one hand - It's just Hijab and as long as students are wearing matching colors, it's should be ok. It's not like that students are wearing Burqa.

On the other hand -

School staff attacked after students told to wear uniform instead of burqa

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...uniform-instead-of-burqa-101644691788452.html

Late in the evening, the police rescued the teachers and the headmaster, who had locked themselves up inside the school building.

What a mess political parties have created here.

 

[cricketjoshila]

On the one hand - It's just Hijab and as long as students are wearing matching colors, it's should be ok. It's not like that students are wearing Burqa.

On the other hand -

School staff attacked after students told to wear uniform instead of burqa

https://www.hindustantimes.com/indi...uniform-instead-of-burqa-101644691788452.html



What a mess political parties have created here.

This was PFI trying to create a situation to coalesce muslim votes before the elections, it has now back fired.

 

[Osama Shafeeqe]

The courts have some interesting issues to judge.

1. Whether Hijab is an obligation for muslims?

2. Are all religious obligations of muslims be provided for by an institution, whether private or government? Because tommorow demands will be made for Abaya, Namaz rooms, halal food and so on. Is the institution bound to provide this in a secular country?

3. If muslims are allowed, why the mandates of the vedas or bible or guru granth sahib be not followed?

This is a constitutional test of the limits of articles 25 and the restrictions one can put under article 25A. It also tests article 33, article 14.

1. It seems you are okay with the Sikh ruling of Turban being obligatory but not Hijab. Hijab is considered fard (Obligatory) for all Muslim adult women by all four of the Sunni Madhabs. Shias too considered the Hijab fard. The question of it not being Fard is only brought in by these new liberal Muslims who pick and choose what to believe and have no substantial argument or evidence to present of it not being fard.

2. A Hijab is very different to a Burqa and Abaya not only terms of their status of being fard but also the fact that a Hijab can easily be worn with a school uniform but the later two cannot. Schools should thus have every right to disallow this Burqa and Abaya

3. Are they not? Most mandates in Islam refer to oneself and the action the person themselves take, like Hijab, the action of wearing a Hijab is only effecting the person and not anyone around them.

 

[Romali_rotti]

1. Hijab is considered fard (Obligatory) for all Muslim adult women by all four of the Sunni Madhabs..

The 5 pillars of Islam, no where does it say Hijab is compulsory.

Can you show me a verse in Quran or the Hadith where it says the Hijab is 'compulsory'

Pay very close attention to the highlighted word when you reply back.

 

[MP2011]

lol, so now these fake nationalists and bigot fans will decide who is hindu and who isn't! Let me make a guess, the one who subscribes to sanghi ideology and be subservient to the bigot is Hindu now!

Militant hindutva which sanctions the lynching of people from other religions is nothing like what Hinduism has taught me, that is to respect every religion in whatever form it is.

So keep your fake hindutva with you, I'm happy with me being Hindu.

 

[Osama Shafeeqe]

The 5 pillars of Islam, no where does it say Hijab is compulsory.

Can you show me a verse in Quran or the Hadith where it says the Hijab is 'compulsory'

Pay very close attention to the highlighted word when you reply back.

To be a Muslim you have to follow the 5 Pillars of Islam AND the 6 Article of Faith. One of the articles of faith is to believe in the Quran is the word of Allah SWT. The verse below says it is obligatory as it was ordered in the Quran.

"And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and guard their chastity, and not to reveal their adornments1 except what normally appears.2 Let them draw their veils over their chests, and not reveal their ˹hidden˺ adornments3 except to their husbands, their fathers, their fathers-in-law, their sons, their stepsons, their brothers, their brothers’ sons or sisters’ sons, their fellow women, those ˹bondwomen˺ in their possession, male attendants with no desire, or children who are still unaware of women’s nakedness"

The term Veil here in Arabic specifically refers to a headcovering, it is specifically asking believing women to cover their breast with their veil as during that time Arab women wore Veils that covered their head and back but revealed their breast. There are other verses that also mention the believing women to "lower their Jilbab" to protect themselves.

It is unanimous consensus from the time of the Prophet to modern scholars now that the verse above orders women to cover their heads as it was ordain by Allah SWT.

If you reject these verses than you are rejecting the Quran and If you do not believe in the Quran, then you are not a Muslim.

 

[IMMY69]

The 5 pillars of Islam, no where does it say Hijab is compulsory.

Can you show me a verse in Quran or the Hadith where it says the Hijab is 'compulsory'

Pay very close attention to the highlighted word when you reply back.

I know many jewish people who don't wear a kippa and eat pork but they consider themselves Jewish, likewise I also know many orthodox jewish people who observe Shabbat, wear a kippa, don't eat pork.
Both are Jewish and one type of jewish person doesn't consider the other person to be non jewish.

Similarly in Islam. Some choose to wear the hijab and others don't. Doesn't make either of them less Muslim.

So to decide on whether to wear a hijab out of compulsion is neither here or there. It's their faith and they want to practice it like they do. This is precisely why a court should have no place in deciding what is compulsory and what is not. It is an individual right and as long as it doesn't cover your face or body and prevent you from wearing the prescribed school uniform it rally shouldn't matter to the school whether a girl chooses to wear a hijab or not.

I still haven't received a proper reply from anyone here as to why a girl shouldn't be allowed to wear a hijab to school.

I went attended a school that had a strict uniform code, but I never got stopped for wearing my Arsenal scarf...

 

[Itachi]

I know many jewish people who don't wear a kippa and eat pork but they consider themselves Jewish, likewise I also know many orthodox jewish people who observe Shabbat, wear a kippa, don't eat pork.
Both are Jewish and one type of jewish person doesn't consider the other person to be non jewish.

Similarly in Islam. Some choose to wear the hijab and others don't. Doesn't make either of them less Muslim.

So to decide on whether to wear a hijab out of compulsion is neither here or there. It's their faith and they want to practice it like they do. This is precisely why a court should have no place in deciding what is compulsory and what is not. It is an individual right and as long as it doesn't cover your face or body and prevent you from wearing the prescribed school uniform it rally shouldn't matter to the school whether a girl chooses to wear a hijab or not.

I still haven't received a proper reply from anyone here as to why a girl shouldn't be allowed to wear a hijab to school.

I went attended a school that had a strict uniform code, but I never got stopped for wearing my Arsenal scarf...

By that token, why ahmedis though themselves regard as Muslims, but was made non muslim by constitutional amendment.

What is constitutional amendment doing in faith of people?

 

[IMMY69]

By that token, why ahmedis though themselves regard as Muslims, but was made non muslim by constitutional amendment.

What is constitutional amendment doing in faith of people?

Personally, I don't agree with it.
But if I try and apply whatever logic I can to it, then it would be that Pakistan is an Islamic Republic and Ahmedi's believe that Prophet Mohammad PBUH was not the last prophet which pretty much goes against the whole belief system.

 

[Romali_rotti]

"And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and guard their chastity, and not to reveal their adornments1 except what normally appears.2 Let them draw their veils over their chests, and not reveal their ˹hidden˺ adornments3 except to their husbands, their fathers, their fathers-in-law, their sons, their stepsons, their brothers, their brothers’ sons or sisters’ sons, their fellow women, those ˹bondwomen˺ in their possession, male attendants with no desire, or children who are still unaware of women’s nakedness"

If you reject these verses than you are rejecting the Quran and If you do not believe in the Quran, then you are not a Muslim.

.

This to me sounds like women are being ask to be modest and that is perfectly fine, although it does not say the hair should be covered or not.

To say you are not a muslim if you do not wear a Hijab does not sound accurate to me.

I want to get an opinion of other muslims on here, do you feel if a women does not wear a Hijab she is no longer a muslim because she is apparently rejecting a verse ?

No muslim would be able to follow every verse of the Quran right to the dot, if so then I guess no one is a real muslim ?

 

[Stewie]

The 5 pillars of Islam, no where does it say Hijab is compulsory.

Can you show me a verse in Quran or the Hadith where it says the Hijab is 'compulsory'

Pay very close attention to the highlighted word when you reply back.

still waiting for a similar citation from hindu text from you on why cows cant be killed and that eating meat is forbidden for hindus.

 

[Osama Shafeeqe]

This to me sounds like women are being ask to be modest and that is perfectly fine, although it does not say the hair should be covered or not.

To say you are not a muslim if you do not wear a Hijab does not sound accurate to me.

I want to get an opinion of other muslims on here, do you feel if a women does not wear a Hijab she is no longer a muslim because she is apparently rejecting a verse ?

No muslim would be able to follow every verse of the Quran right to the dot, if so then I guess no one is a real muslim ?

Veil literally means head covering, the Arabic word used in this instance is Khimar in Quran and you can literally just google and see how it looks (its literally a headscarf or Hijab). The word Hijab was not always used as a headcovering but also used as a term for overall modesty that was for both genders.

I never said that not wearing Hijab will make you a non Muslim. There are certain things for Muslims that are Obligatory in their faith and they go from how to dress, how to behave, what you eat and etc. Not doing these things won't make you a disbeliever but you will be sinning.

The act of rejecting those verses and saying no I do not believe in these verses makes you literally a disbeliever and thus not a Muslim but deliberately misinterpreting a verse and being deliberately obtuse is another thing in itself. Hijab is Fard, all Islamic schools of thought are in agreement of this but your action are your own, a women that does not want to wear a Hijab is still a Muslim and she is free to choose if she wants to follow the Quran and Sunnah or not.

 

[Stewie]

It is ridiculous we are going to judge people and decide whats really needed in their religion or not.

Most people have their own interpretation of most faiths. A lot of hindus eat meat, drink alcohol while some hindus believe drinking alcohol is bad and eating meat is bad.

So how do you accommodate one group and not the others? Who are you to decide who is more of a hindu or Muslims than the other? How do courts decide that? For most Indian posters going down that line of reasoning here will hopefully see how it is so flawed. Right to religious freedom has limits, sure but lets not lose sight of reason. If it is blatantly against the laws of the land, or causes a problem, I can understand the opposition, but we are talking hijab here which is no stranger to Hindus of India. They have seen it for centuries. Hindu women cover their bodies and heads and their faces at times too. Heck even Hindu brides have the tradition of "ghoonghat" which is nothing more than observing modesty, same concept as hijab in Islam. If we are being told or telling other hijab is a huge disruption in the functioning of the country, we are not looking at the Sikh turbans and only fooling ourselves.

Hopefully better sense prevails in the end. Cheers!

 

[KingKhanWC]

The 5 pillars of Islam, no where does it say Hijab is compulsory.

Can you show me a verse in Quran or the Hadith where it says the Hijab is 'compulsory'

Pay very close attention to the highlighted word when you reply back.

With respect its not up to you or any non-Muslim to decide esp the judges in this court.

Hindu judges cannot determine what Islam is and then implement this into law.

Why is this court taking so long when a precidence has already been set? Sikhs can wear Turbans. Sikhism is a branch of Hinduism according to Indian law. It then should be either not allow turbans or allow head coverings for Muslim women too.

 

[Romali_rotti]

still waiting for a similar citation from hindu text from you on why cows cant be killed and that eating meat is forbidden for hindus.

When did you ask me this question before the above post ?

As far as I know nothing in the scripture states you can't eat meat. I could be wrong here

 

[KingKhanWC]

Chetan Kumar: Indian actor arrested for tweet on Karnataka hijab row judge

An Indian actor has been arrested for tweeting against one of the judges hearing pleas against a ban on Muslim girls wearing hijabs in schools.

Chetan Kumar was arrested in the southern state of Karnataka after he criticised Justice Krishna Dixit.

The actor wondered why a judge, who has made "disturbing comments" in the past, was hearing the contentious matter.

He was referring to a 2020 order in which the judge had questioned the behaviour of a woman who alleged rape.

Justice Dixit's comments were later deleted from the orrder after they resulted in outrage and were described as regressive.

Mr Kumar's arrest has sparked anger, with many questioning the police's motive.

A US citizen and a Fulbright scholar, Chetan Kumar is a firebrand Dalit (formerly known as untouchable) rights activist who has been involved in several anti-right wing protests in Karnataka.

Critics say he's often targeted for his social work - the actor is already facing two police complaints for his remarks against the Brahmin community, who are at the top of India's Hindu caste hierarchy.

On 16 February, Mr Kumar's tweet referred to a rape case in which Justice Dixit had granted anticipatory bail to the accused after observing that the woman's statement was "a bit difficult to believe".

"The explanation offered by her that after the perpetration of the act she was tired and fell asleep is unbecoming of an Indian woman," the judge had said in 2020, adding that it was "not the way our women react when they are ravished".

Sharing a screenshot of the observations, Mr Kumar wrote: "Justice Krishna Dixit made such disturbing comments in a rape case. Now this same judge is determining whether hijabs are acceptable or not in government schools. Does he have the clarity required?"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-60489203

So it seems one of the judges was trained by a Kangaroo.

Yet such clowns are to decide what Islam constitutes lol.

 

[Local.Dada]

still waiting for a similar citation from hindu text from you on why cows cant be killed and that eating meat is forbidden for hindus.

That is such a poor equivalence.

However sticking to the same example, you can’t go into a vegetarian restaurant and say you want Beef because it hurts your religious sentiments or go to a restaurant that serves beef etc and ask for something else. It is the restaurants prerogative.

What would you do in such a case? Just go to a different restaurant.

This is no different. The school has banned religious dressing including Hijab. This isn’t a central government mandate or a state sponsored mandate.

Just calm down and read what the controversy is about atleast.

If educated people are doing this just imagine how easy it is to enrage a poor illiterate Muslim to do something stupid.

Muslim women are allowed to wear hijab. Just not in that institution. If they want there are Islamic schools that cater to all those needs.

Once again this isn’t a government ban on Hijab. Unbeleivable it has gone to so many pages but no one seems to have understood this simple thing here.

 

[KingKhanWC]

That is such a poor equivalence.

However sticking to the same example, you can’t go into a vegetarian restaurant and say you want Beef because it hurts your religious sentiments or go to a restaurant that serves beef etc and ask for something else. It is the restaurants prerogative.

What would you do in such a case? Just go to a different restaurant.

This is no different. The school has banned religious dressing including Hijab. This isn’t a central government mandate or a state sponsored mandate.

Just calm down and read what the controversy is about atleast.

If educated people are doing this just imagine how easy it is to enrage a poor illiterate Muslim to do something stupid.

Muslim women are allowed to wear hijab. Just not in that institution. If they want there are Islamic schools that cater to all those needs.

Once again this isn’t a government ban on Hijab. Unbeleivable it has gone to so many pages but no one seems to have understood this simple thing here.

Its a dumb move by the school. Sikhs already cover their heads, so Muslim women should be allowed to also.

Now you have idiotic Indian judges wanting to decide this in court lol.

In any civilised intelligent nation, they would see Sikhs with turbans and would allow Muslim women to cover their heads too. Both the school and the court.

But this is Hindutva India, where women raped are accused of falling asleep.

 

[cricketjoshila]

still waiting for a similar citation from hindu text from you on why cows cant be killed and that eating meat is forbidden for hindus.

Who told you eating meat is forbidden?

 

[Stewie]

Who told you eating meat is forbidden?

Drinking Alcohol is forbidden according to some people.

Why is cow slaughter forbidden? Can you provide some sources where cow slaughter is banned?

Also if meat is not forbidden, why do so many hindus not eat meat?

 

[cricketjoshila]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-60489203

So it seems one of the judges was trained by a Kangaroo.

Yet such clowns are to decide what Islam constitutes lol.

Drinking Alcohol is forbidden according to some people.

Why is cow slaughter forbidden? Can you provide some sources where cow slaughter is banned?

Also if meat is not forbidden, why do so many hindus not eat meat?

Meat is not forbidden. Only a section of hindus dont eat meat.

 

[Stewie]

Meat is not forbidden. Only a section of hindus dont eat meat.

Is alcohol forbidden? Why is the slaughter of cows forbidden then? Lets try and provide all the answers this time and not half answers.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Is alcohol forbidden? Why is the slaughter of cows forbidden then? Lets try and provide all the answers this time and not half answers.

Alcohol isn't forbidden either. But its not encouraged.

Cow is holy. Its worshipped. Gau hatya is one of the biggest sins in Hinduism.

In the rig veda, Cow is addressed as Devi and equated with Aditi.

 

[Stewie]

Alcohol isn't forbidden either. But its not encouraged.

Cow is holy. Its worshipped. Gau hatya is one of the biggest sins in Hinduism.

In the rig veda, Cow is addressed as Devi and equated with Aditi.

But Hindus do eat cows. Does that make them non Hindus? And from all the various sources I have visited on the matter, Alcohol sounds like its very much forbidden. The link here is an example although its a personal opinion and not authoritative. Maybe you can provide some hard evidence that proves that alcohol is not entirely prohibited?
https://www.quora.com/What-does-Hin...here-any-mention-of-alcohol-in-the-scriptures

Regardless, this right here shows how there can be differences in religion. Why some may argue the merits or demerits of it, I think its not as simple as saying "Muslims dont need hijab"

Hinduism has tons of such examples yet on one hand, cow slaughter is disallowed and on the other alcohol is not. One the one meat consumption is considered normal and with some its a sin.

I think you get my point!

 

[IMMY69]

But Hindus do eat cows. Does that make them non Hindus? And from all the various sources I have visited on the matter, Alcohol sounds like its very much forbidden. The link here is an example although its a personal opinion and not authoritative. Maybe you can provide some hard evidence that proves that alcohol is not entirely prohibited?
https://www.quora.com/What-does-Hin...here-any-mention-of-alcohol-in-the-scriptures

Regardless, this right here shows how there can be differences in religion. Why some may argue the merits or demerits of it, I think its not as simple as saying "Muslims dont need hijab"

Hinduism has tons of such examples yet on one hand, cow slaughter is disallowed and on the other alcohol is not. One the one meat consumption is considered normal and with some its a sin.

I think you get my point!

Correct if I'm wrong but they also slaughter cows and sell the Hyde like it's going out of business...

 

[KingKhanWC]

Meat is not forbidden. Only a section of hindus dont eat meat.

My post had nothing do with meat, although I've ate some just.

I was showing you have a judge in this case ,who blamed a raped woman because she was sleeping after the rape. Such a clown shouldnt be judging if Islam mandates headcovering for women.

Who are the other judges or is it just her?

 

[Romali_rotti]

Drinking Alcohol is forbidden according to some people.

Why is cow slaughter forbidden? Can you provide some sources where cow slaughter is banned?

Also if meat is not forbidden, why do so many hindus not eat meat?

LOL, you still haven't answered my question above.

Also this is such a bad drift, maybe you should start a new thread on Hinduism, eating meat and everything can be discussed there.

 

[Romali_rotti]

This is what you said before:

It is unanimous consensus from the time of the Prophet to modern scholars now that the verse above orders women to cover their heads as it was ordain by Allah SWT.

If you reject these verses than you are rejecting the Quran and If you do not believe in the Quran, then you are not a Muslim.

This is what you are saying now:

Hijab is Fard, all Islamic schools of thought are in agreement of this but your action are your own, a women that does not want to wear a Hijab is still a Muslim and she is free to choose if she wants to follow the Quran and Sunnah or not.

You are contradicting yourself, I feel it is best you just leave this.....

 

[Osama Shafeeqe]

This is what you said before:

This is what you are saying now:




You are contradicting yourself, I feel it is best you just leave this.....

You are deliberately being obtuse here. Certain things like associating other gods to Allah SWT and not believing the Quran as the Unaltered word of Allah SWT will make you a non Muslim. This includes rejecting verses in the Quran.

There is a difference between rejecting a verse in the Quran and not following Sharia. Sharia is the laws and guidance on what Muslims should do from the Quran and Sunnah.

The reason I mentioned rejecting a verse in the Quran is because you asked for evidence from the Quran, which I provided and a typical response to that would be that "Muslims can just not believe in that verse".

In Summary, rejecting a verse of the Quran i.e. saying these verses are corrupt, wrong or flat out say I do not believe in this verse is literally disbelief BUT saying I cannot/willing to wear Hijab due to any reason or saying I have a different interpretation for that verse (even with zero evidence or that lacks any sense) that person is not in disbelief.

 

[Romali_rotti]

This is what you said before:






You are deliberately being obtuse here. Certain things like associating other gods to Allah SWT and not believing the Quran as the Unaltered word of Allah SWT will make you a non Muslim. This includes rejecting verses in the Quran.

There is a difference between rejecting a verse in the Quran and not following Sharia. Sharia is the laws and guidance on what Muslims should do from the Quran and Sunnah.

The reason I mentioned rejecting a verse in the Quran is because you asked for evidence from the Quran, which I provided and a typical response to that would be that "Muslims can just not believe in that verse".

In Summary, rejecting a verse of the Quran i.e. saying these verses are corrupt, wrong or flat out say I do not believe in this verse is literally disbelief BUT saying I cannot/willing to wear Hijab due to any reason or saying I have a different interpretation for that verse (even with zero evidence or that lacks any sense) that person is not in disbelief.

Ok so we have established that:

First you said Hijab must be worn otherwise it is equivalent to rejecting Islam hence an individual will no longer be a Muslim.

Then you said:

A women does not have to wear a Hijab and she can be a Muslim.
_________________________________________________________

So in conclusion, what I am understanding here is that you are saying Hijab is mandatory and also non mandatory.

Thanks..

 

[Stewie]

That is such a poor equivalence.

However sticking to the same example, you can’t go into a vegetarian restaurant and say you want Beef because it hurts your religious sentiments or go to a restaurant that serves beef etc and ask for something else. It is the restaurants prerogative.

What would you do in such a case? Just go to a different restaurant.

This is no different. The school has banned religious dressing including Hijab. This isn’t a central government mandate or a state sponsored mandate.

Just calm down and read what the controversy is about atleast.

If educated people are doing this just imagine how easy it is to enrage a poor illiterate Muslim to do something stupid.

Muslim women are allowed to wear hijab. Just not in that institution. If they want there are Islamic schools that cater to all those needs.

Once again this isn’t a government ban on Hijab. Unbeleivable it has gone to so many pages but no one seems to have understood this simple thing here.

No it’s not. Religious governance for the sake of conflicting sentiment in a place of business is one thing. A government run educational institution is another.

For instance an eatery may sell pork. Muslims don’t have to go eat there. It may sell beef and if it hurts Hindus they don’t have to eat there. But if you are at a house lace of work or school, they must allow your religious freedoms. My company has to accommodate for religious commitments. They cannot say no. That’s the law.
But then again that’s the difference between the democracy of US and the democracy of a pseudo secular republic on the verge of going full theocratic hindu state.

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/indian-schools-ban-on-hijabs-ignites-battle-over-religious-rights-11645625550

 

[Itachi]

Personally, I don't agree with it.
But if I try and apply whatever logic I can to it, then it would be that Pakistan is an Islamic Republic and Ahmedi's believe that Prophet Mohammad PBUH was not the last prophet which pretty much goes against the whole belief system.

But the logic you presented in the previous post was, a court should not get tangle in the matter of religious faith and an individual should have the right to practice his faith. That's contradiction to above where you have stated that ahmedis are non muslim even though they believe as one.

What I am trying to say here is, every country has legal system involved in religious matter because it's a necessity. Otherwise the downward spiral will start and it will turn in to chaos.

You've already seen in many places, people are trying to force not only hijab but burqa. One such event creates a chain reaction and it becomes more wide spread where all political parties will ignite the fire to fulfill their interests.

 

[Itachi]

No it’s not. Religious governance for the sake of conflicting sentiment in a place of business is one thing. A government run educational institution is another.

For instance an eatery may sell pork. Muslims don’t have to go eat there. It may sell beef and if it hurts Hindus they don’t have to eat there. But if you are at a house lace of work or school, they must allow your religious freedoms. My company has to accommodate for religious commitments. They cannot say no. That’s the law.
But then again that’s the difference between the democracy of US and the democracy of a pseudo secular republic on the verge of going full theocratic hindu state.

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/in...ites-battle-over-religious-rights-11645625550

Lol. Americans eat beef. So it's not like the system is doing a favor especially for Muslims by allowing beef.

You just got lucky because population have beef in their food habits.

 

[Osama Shafeeqe]

Ok so we have established that:

First you said Hijab must be worn otherwise it is equivalent to rejecting Islam hence an individual will no longer be a Muslim.

Then you said:

A women does not have to wear a Hijab and she can be a Muslim.
_________________________________________________________

So in conclusion, what I am understanding here is that you are saying Hijab is mandatory and also non mandatory.

Thanks..

"Ok so we have established that"
No, you have established this yourself by misconstruing my words and which I have repeatedly explained is not the case.

Where did I say that women that do not wear Hijabs are not Muslims? Bring me this quote and I will literally get off this platform. You have tried to make an argument but I have said that it is not what I believe nor the collective Islamic Ulema then what exactly is your purpose.

"If you reject these verses than you are rejecting the Quran and If you do not believe in the Quran, then you are not a Muslim."

The above is fact and I'm sorry that you cannot comprehend the difference between not completing something that is Fard (obligatory) and rejecting a verse in the Quran. Maybe you should actually look into what Fard in Islam is before you tell me that I am being contradictory when I am telling you there is a difference.

 

[Romali_rotti]

"Ok so we have established that"
No, you have established this yourself by misconstruing my words and which I have repeatedly explained is not the case.

Where did I say that women that do not wear Hijabs are not Muslims? Bring me this quote and I will literally get off this platform. You have tried to make an argument but I have said that it is not what I believe nor the collective Islamic Ulema then what exactly is your purpose.

"If you reject these verses than you are rejecting the Quran and If you do not believe in the Quran, then you are not a Muslim."

The above is fact and I'm sorry that you cannot comprehend the difference between not completing something that is Fard (obligatory) and rejecting a verse in the Quran. Maybe you should actually look into what Fard in Islam is before you tell me that I am being contradictory when I am telling you there is a difference.

So a female doesn't have to wear a Hijab and still be a muslim ?.

 

[James]

So a female doesn't have to wear a Hijab and still be a muslim ?.

If I may, it’s quite a subtle matter.

I believe the point being made is that a woman who believes in the Qur’an but personally chooses not to wear a head covering would still be a Muslim, whereas a woman who rejects the Qur’an and because of that rejection also rejects the idea of a head covering, is perhaps “not” a Muslim.

Many Muslims I know in the UK through different jobs I have worked identify as Muslims but occasionally do things which might be considered “unislamic” such as drink alcohol, take drugs, date girls, and miss prayers — but they know and accept that it is not the most religious way to behave, and they say they want to do better, hence they are still Muslims because they endorse the “correct” way of living.

 

[Romali_rotti]

If I may, it’s quite a subtle matter.

I believe the point being made is that a woman who believes in the Qur’an but personally chooses not to wear a head covering would still be a Muslim, whereas a woman who rejects the Qur’an and because of that rejection also rejects the idea of a head covering, is perhaps “not” a Muslim.

.

Thanks James.

It's safe to say that the Hijab is not mandatory in Islam. This was the point I was trying to make which Osama here seems to be going with here nor there.

 

[Osama Shafeeqe]

Thanks James.

It's safe to say that the Hijab is not mandatory in Islam. This was the point I was trying to make which Osama here seems to be going with here nor there.

It seems you came in with a position that what is mandatory in Islam is the same as what is Mandatory to be Muslim. They are two different things.

"It's safe to say that the Hijab is not mandatory in Islam" This is a false statement.

All I can say is that you need to look up the concept of Fard (Obligation) in Islam. Hijab is Fard and thus Obligatory for all Muslim women to wear. This is fact and no amount of circling from you will change this truth.

You are deliberately being Ignorant here and It is clear why, to justify taking away rights you will convince yourself of your own point which no practicing Muslim shares.

 

[Romali_rotti]

It seems you came in with a position that what is mandatory in Islam is the same as what is Mandatory to be Muslim. They are two different things.

"It's safe to say that the Hijab is not mandatory in Islam" This is a false statement.

All I can say is that you need to look up the concept of Fard (Obligation) in Islam. Hijab is Fard and thus Obligatory for all Muslim women to wear. This is fact and no amount of circling from you will change this truth.

You are deliberately being Ignorant here and It is clear why, to justify taking away rights you will convince yourself of your own point which no practicing Muslim shares.

Ok so if a Muslim female doesn't wear a Hijab, she is no longer a Muslim ?

 

[Itachi]

It seems you came in with a position that what is mandatory in Islam is the same as what is Mandatory to be Muslim. They are two different things.

"It's safe to say that the Hijab is not mandatory in Islam" This is a false statement.

All I can say is that you need to look up the concept of Fard (Obligation) in Islam. Hijab is Fard and thus Obligatory for all Muslim women to wear. This is fact and no amount of circling from you will change this truth.

You are deliberately being Ignorant here and It is clear why, to justify taking away rights you will convince yourself of your own point which no practicing Muslim shares.

You are being vague here.

Question is simple. Is hijab mandatory or not?

 

[Stewie]

Lol. Americans eat beef. So it's not like the system is doing a favor especially for Muslims by allowing beef.

You just got lucky because population have beef in their food habits.

Just the fact that from the entire post you could only find this to poke holes in shows you are on the defensive.

Should a government run school infringe on religious freedoms? Yes or no?

 

[Stewie]

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/23/us/alabama-basketball-forfeit-game-faith-trnd/index.html

It is interesting that the Governor of Alabama did not get into telling this particular Christian denomination that Christianity doesn’t require them to pray in their particular way.
Lol!

 

[MenInG]

The toxic controversy in Karnataka over hijabs in classrooms risked chiselling a new fault line with a college in Bengaluru requesting a Sikh girl to remove her turban and eventually allowing her - as well as Muslim students with headscarves - after her family refused to comply.
In a temporary order pending the consideration of all petitions related to the hijab row, the Karnataka High Court had restrained all students in the state from wearing saffron shawls, scarves, hijab and any religious flag within the classroom earlier this month.

Authorities at the Mount Carmel PU College said they informed students about the court order when the educational institution reopened on February 16.

However, when a senior government official visited the college earlier this week, he found a group of girls in the hijab and told them to follow the court order.

The girls demanded that no students including the Sikh girl should be allowed to wear religious symbols.

"After the high court interim order came, we started to abide by that. We asked the students in hijab, to take off the hijab and attend classes. However, a few students had an issue with another Sikh student who is wearing the turban," Sister Genevieve, Administrator, Mount Carmel PU College told NDTV.

"And so, we requested the Sikh student to remove the turban so that there is uniformity. But after she informed us that since she was baptised, she cannot remove. And so, we let it be," Sister Genevieve said.

According to sources quoted by news agency PTI, the girl's family has decided that their daughter will not remove the turban and is taking legal opinion. Asking a member of the Sikh community to remove their turban is widely considered highly invasive.

"We have not stopped any students at the gates for wearing the hijab. While most of the students have followed the order, a few students continue to sit inside the class wearing the hijab and we are counselling them," Sister Genevieve added.

The controversy over the hijab erupted in Karnataka late last year after some college students in the Udupi district were stopped from wearing the religious headscarves in classrooms.

The standoff quickly spread to other parts of the state and even beyond triggering demonstrations and ugly face-offs as some Hindu groups opposed to the hijab held protests in schools and colleges wearing saffron scarves.

On February 5, Karnataka banned "clothes that were against law and order" and on February 10 the High Court temporarily banned all religious outfits as it heard petitions challenging the restrictions.

The petitioners, including a dozen Muslim female students, have told the court that wearing the hijab was a fundamental right guaranteed under India's constitution and an essential practice of Islam. Some of them have argued that it is no different than turbans worn by Sikhs, bangles and ghoongats worn by Hindu women and the cross worn by Christians.

Karnataka's advocate-general, Prabhuling Navadgi, has told the High Court there that those challenging the decision had not been able to prove that wearing the hijab was an essential religious practice.

On Wednesday, the High Court clarified that the interim order banning hijabs and other religious clothing was applicable only to students. The clarification came after an advocate representing one of the petitioners said that teachers too were being stopped at the gates.

 

[LaLoco]

Ok so if a Muslim female doesn't wear a Hijab, she is no longer a Muslim ?

Why does it matter?

If a Muslim female wants to wear a Hijab in a secular democratic country then why shouldn't she be allowed?

For once forget what religious attire define women to be Muslim, Christian, hindu etc.

Secularism, inheritably mean, a state will not and must not interfered on someone's religious appearance, practice, or not practice any religion. And, there are countless example of states which has perfected secularism.

It is only Indians, particularly Hindutva, are trying to change the meaning of secularism.

I mean, on this forum, there is a person, who claimed to be atheist but act like savior of Hindutva by going with extremist of extreme examples to discredit any Muslim of India including females. Insanity.

India is neither a secular state nor a democratic state, it has successfully marched toward being ethnocratic state. The funny thing about it, majority are very comfortable with it, even those who pretend to be atheist.

 

[Itachi]

Why does it matter?

I am not sure why almost most Muslim posters here refuse to answer this simple question.


"if a Muslim female doesn't wear a Hijab, she is no longer a Muslim ?"

A simple yes or no question. The rather shady tricks of evading in answering doesn't portray a clean pictures of the same posters rather it shows a shady, agenda driven persona where they want answers from others but refuses to answer when question is pointing at them. It's unfortunate but it is what it is.

 

[LaLoco]

I am not sure why almost most Muslim posters here refuse to answer this simple question.


"if a Muslim female doesn't wear a Hijab, she is no longer a Muslim ?"

A simple yes or no question. The rather shady tricks of evading in answering doesn't portray a clean pictures of the same posters rather it shows a shady, agenda driven persona where they want answers from others but refuses to answer when question is pointing at them. It's unfortunate but it is what it is.

Go through 11 pages and I am sure you will find an answer.

You just won't see it because it will destroy Hindtuva defense for subjugating Muslims of India disguised as counterfeit secularism of India.

But the point remain, which neither can be denied nor counter, if one group is allowed to wear a religious attire then other should be by default, that is how laws work in a true secularist countries.

Rest is just 'trying hard' to justify marginalizing or community through technical terminology and laws because some of the Indians do not have in them to be openly say what truly they want - some even disguised themselves as atheist while supporting Hindtuva laws

 

[MenInG]

A day after a Delhi government school student alleged that she was asked to remove hijab by her teacher, Deputy Chief Minister Manish Sisodia said no such restrictions have been imposed and the issue is being politicised by some people.

Addressing a press conference, Mr Sisodia, who also holds the Education portfolio, said the AAP government respects all traditions and students from all religions and castes are treated with dignity at its schools.

The comments by Mr Sisodia came after a minor girl from a Delhi government school in Mustafabad alleged that she was asked to remove her headscarf at school. The girl made the allegation in a video which went viral on social media.

"Delhi schools have an excellent arrangement to teach students. Regarding this incident..attempts are being made to politicise the issue. In our schools, students of all religions and caste are treated with dignity. There are no restrictions from our side and their traditions are respected," Mr Sisodia said in response to a question.

"I also enquired that how this incident happened but so far I don't think there is a problem...our school system and education department has not imposed any restrictions in this regard," he added.

The girl, who is wearing a hijab, says in the video in Hindi, "Teachers told me not to come to the class wearing this scarf. Don't be like your mother, and don't come to school wearing the scarf. There were two-three other girls who were asked to remove their headscarves." According to news agency Press Trust of India, the school authorities have discussed the matter with her parents and the issue has been amicably resolved.

"The existing practice in all government schools in Delhi for the past several decades has been that if girls wear hijab or scarf on their way to school, they take it off on entering the school premises, before they go to class."

"In this case, once the girl entered school premises, her teachers requested her to take off the scarf as per the existing practice. Later, the school authorities discussed the matter with her parents and the matter has been amicably resolved," a source told news agency PTI on Wednesday.

On January 1, six girl students of a college in Karnataka's Udupi attended a press conference held by the Campus Front of India (CFI) in the coastal town protesting against the college authorities denying them entry into classrooms wearing hijab.

This was four days after they requested the principal for permission to wear hijab in classes which was not allowed. Till then, students used to wear the headscarf to the campus, but entered the classroom after removing it, college principal Rudre Gowda had said.

The Karnataka High Court hearing the hijab case on Wednesday said the uniform prescribed by schools and colleges should be followed till the disposal of the case.

NDTV

 

[Itachi]

Go through 11 pages and I am sure you will find an answer.

You just won't see it because it will destroy Hindtuva defense for subjugating Muslims of India disguised as counterfeit secularism of India.

But the point remain, which neither can be denied nor counter, if one group is allowed to wear a religious attire then other should be by default, that is how laws work in a true secularist countries.

Rest is just 'trying hard' to justify marginalizing or community through technical terminology and laws because some of the Indians do not have in them to be openly say what truly they want - some even disguised themselves as atheist while supporting Hindtuva laws

Again a shady answer. No wonder Muslims are so confused about what is halal, what is haram. If one asks a question and gets answers in a riddle like everyone has written here, then of course anyone would do.

But why the need of riddles? From my understanding, it simply because in this boolean question, either answer will make the argument weaker.

 

[anikrc1]

Man, what difference does it even make if some girls wear hijab ? I mean school uniforms were designed to hide the class difference between students. But surely boys and girl are intelligent enough to know the difference between using public transport and cars. I think the whole concept of uniforms in school are quite backdated.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Again a shady answer. No wonder Muslims are so confused about what is halal, what is haram. If one asks a question and gets answers in a riddle like everyone has written here, then of course anyone would do.

But why the need of riddles? From my understanding, it simply because in this boolean question, either answer will make the argument weaker.

LOL , many seem to keep running away from the question

'Ok so if a Muslim female doesn't wear a Hijab, she is no longer a Muslim ?'

 

[KingKhanWC]

LOL , many seem to keep running away from the question

'Ok so if a Muslim female doesn't wear a Hijab, she is no longer a Muslim ?'

Ill answer it bro.

Its actually very simple.

1. The majority of Muslim scholars throughout history accept a female to cover her head is mandatory in Islam.

2. Those that dont are still Muslim as not wearing doesnt take you out of the fold of Islam. Ie. Its merely a sin not to be modest.

This was my point ,there is no chance a Hindu judge will be able to understand this simple point, esp one who suggested because a raped woman fell asleep after she wasnt raped.

Let them wear it, it wont diminish any RSS glory in India, this is certain.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Man, what difference does it even make if some girls wear hijab ? I mean school uniforms were designed to hide the class difference between students. But surely boys and girl are intelligent enough to know the difference between using public transport and cars. I think the whole concept of uniforms in school are quite backdated.

ESp in poor nations such as India. millions cant afford food so asking them to buy uniforms is absurd.

 

[Firebat]

LOL , many seem to keep running away from the question

'Ok so if a Muslim female doesn't wear a Hijab, she is no longer a Muslim ?'

No, she is a Muslim who has sinned by not abiding to that particular rule.

If I miss a daily prayer of which Allah has stipulated, am I expelled from Islam? No.

Wasn't that easy?

 

[KingKhanWC]

No, she is a Muslim who has sinned by not abiding to that particular rule.

If I miss a daily prayer of which Allah has stipulated, am I expelled from Islam? No.

Wasn't that easy?

Im speechless this simple point is hard to grasp. I think some Indians are desperate for their court to NOT rule in favour of the female students. Its sad to see so much hatred against women esp in India, the worst place to be a female...arguably.

 

[Romali_rotti]

No, she is a Muslim who has sinned by not abiding to that particular rule.

If I miss a daily prayer of which Allah has stipulated, am I expelled from Islam? No.

Wasn't that easy?

Ok, 1 question:

1) Can you show me where it states in the Quran it is a sin to not wear a Hijab,

Thanks for clarifying that the Hijab is not compulsory and you will still be a muslim even if you don't wear one (Which was the whole point I was trying to make).

I have already stated my point of view on the topic at hand, were I did say that the Hijab issue was not needed and to just let the girls wear one...


Thanks.

 

[Itachi]

Just the fact that from the entire post you could only find this to poke holes in shows you are on the defensive.

Should a government run school infringe on religious freedoms? Yes or no?

Yes. Public places should be uniform. Whatever you do on your personal space is upto you but in public, you have to give up some freedoms at times.