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"We'll remove every infiltrator from country, except Buddha, Hindus, Sikhs" - Is BJP new Nazi party?

Ronaldo7 said:
Very secular.
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India's constitution accommodates these things on humanitarian grounds. Reservations for SCs, STs, OBCs, Muslims etc too sound like it conflicts with the basic idea of equality and secularism, but such policies were brought about keeping in mind the historical inequality and discrimination faced by these communities.

Same way, there's a valid case for accepting refugees based on religious oppression in their respective countries and the choices they possess. Yes, BJP's motivation here may well be religious, but they can only go ahead with it if the idea conforms with Indian Constitution and Secularism.
 
BlackShadow said:
Just noticed the thread title, so BJP is a Nazi party because they would accept Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist refugees over others? Doesn't that make half the religions Nazi too? :))
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I don't think India is a 'Nazi' country or Hinduism is a Nazi religion.

But ideas that BJP are spreading are very dangerous for future (and present) of a diverse India. There are already people who are slapping Kashmiris alongside roads, or entering in Muslims' homes and beating them or beating Hindus who talk of harmony or peace. All three examples have video evidence uploaded on Twitter. I am not making it up and no one can deny/twist it.

Weren't a famous Hindu religious guy very fan of Hitler? :facepalm:
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
I don't think India is a 'Nazi' country or Hinduism is a Nazi religion.

But ideas that BJP are spreading are very dangerous for future (and present) of a diverse India. There are already people who are slapping Kashmiris alongside roads, or entering in Muslims' homes and beating them or beating Hindus who talk of harmony or peace. All three examples have video evidence uploaded on Twitter. I am not making it up and no one can deny/twist it.

Weren't a famous Hindu religious guy very fan of Hitler? :facepalm:
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Like I said in other threads, it’s all about the narrative.
Islam is not an extreme murderous religion but the general narrative is used by extreme right wingers to make people believe that it is... similarly India’s narrative against Pakistan for 70 years...
 
BlackShadow said:
No, I feel strongly about my faith and see Hindus, Buddhists and Sikhs as my own people.
Why do you feel the need to give me names for that?
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Chowkidar has become a brand now. You should feel proud of it because our PM uses it as his Twitter handle. :inti
 
I think it's fair to assume millions of Hindus who vote for the BJP also have this extremist mindset.

Or they are serioulsy bitter about their history which is understandable after being ruled by 'outsiders' for over a 1000 years.
 
WhenSultansBowled said:
I don't think India is a 'Nazi' country or Hinduism is a Nazi religion.

But ideas that BJP are spreading are very dangerous for future (and present) of a diverse India. There are already people who are slapping Kashmiris alongside roads, or entering in Muslims' homes and beating them or beating Hindus who talk of harmony or peace. All three examples have video evidence uploaded on Twitter. I am not making it up and no one can deny/twist it.

Weren't a famous Hindu religious guy very fan of Hitler? :facepalm:
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You are right about the right wing being emboldened during the BJP rule and that indeed is dangerous.

But for all those stories you refer to, how many times to you get stories of RSS and BJP workers are being murdered just for their association with those parties? You talk of Kashmiris being slapped in other Indian states, but have you heard of Kashmiris pelting stones on tourist cars and killing people? I don't think so.

I would absolutely acknowledge that Muslims are paying a bigger price for these rising communal tensions, but the stories that get cherry-picked by Pakistani media are mostly propaganda driven, specially when it comes to Kashmir or Muslims.
 
IMMY69 said:
So the whole premise of the tweet was for people of Pakistan or Bangladesh coming to India illegally or a general statement that covers all illegal people from around the world?
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It was meant for everyone. But its more related to illegal bangladeshi immigration. Its a big big big threat to security and overall situation.
 
More about Hindutva Fascism - great, but long read!

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We have a reminder of how deeply the Hindutva fascism of India’s ruling BJP party and its parent RSS group were shaped by the Nazis. It’s also a reminder of how important idealized mythological pasts are for fascist movements. Finally, it’s a reminder of the important role anti-Semitism played in providing a model to RSS on how to successfully demonize of minority group (Muslims, in the case of the RSS) and how anti-Semitism remains a ‘go-to’ tool for Hindu nationalists today when dealing with non-Indians perceived to be enemies of the movement. Audrey Truschke, a historian of premodern India at Rutgers University, ruffled Hindu nationalist feathers with her scholarly works on the historical legacy of Islam in India. Her research primarily deals with the Muslim dynasty that ruled much of north and central South Asia in the 16th and 17th centuries. As a result of that work, Truschke has found herself under attack from Hindu nationalists upset with her work, and tarring her with anti-Semitic slurs (despite Truschke not being Jewish).

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http://spitfirelist.com/news/more-about-hindutva-fascism/
 
BlackShadow said:
It won't be illegal if they are granted a refugee status.

Budhists, Hindus and Sikhs imo should always be welcome in India, they have nowhere else to go.
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But why only selectively these religions? Isnt India a religiously neutral state? :moyo
 
CricketCartoons said:
The question of removing legals doesnt arise. Don't know why it is so difficult for some people to understand.

Legals, no matter of what religion, have nothing to worry about. This tweet is clear about that.

It only talks about illegal infiltrators who will be removed, except the dharmic religions.

Your issue is why dharmic infiltrators being given leniency? Is that the whole issue?

India being the natural homeland of dharmic religions, it has moral obligation to protect anyone from these religions who seek refuge here. If a hindu, sikh, buddhist from any other country wants to seek refuge in india, She is morally bound to protect them. Do you disagree?

Muslim illegals have two muslim majority countries in the neighbourhood where they will be happier and safer. Don't you agree with that?
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Wasn't India supposed to be secular?
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">This is the president of the BJP. He also added, for good measure: "illegal migrants are like termites. They are eating our foodgrains that should go to the poor, they are taking away our jobs ... infiltrators have taken away our land and people are being brutalised and killed". <a href="https://t.co/Oh3HBrW5AC">https://t.co/Oh3HBrW5AC</a></p>— Shashank Joshi (@shashj) <a href="https://twitter.com/shashj/status/1116382066541826048?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 11, 2019</a></blockquote>
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There was huge protest recently in north-east of India after BJP trying to amend citizenship act. Can India even efford non Indians(Hindus and others) being given a citizenship given the poverty and unemployment level.
 
Where should these infiltrators go according to the extremists? I don't know how they are infiltrators when they are people of the soil. Most are born and raised in India knowing no other home. Throwing over 200 million people out means civil war!
 
Guys, fascism at home is fine if there is no Lebensraum. Besides these RSS chaddi types were always impressed by the third Reich
 
PakLFC said:
Where should these infiltrators go according to the extremists? I don't know how they are infiltrators when they are people of the soil. Most are born and raised in India knowing no other home. Throwing over 200 million people out means civil war!
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200mn people? Where did you get that figure?

If your parents entered India illegally and you were born here, it doesnt give you the right to Indian citizenship.
 
Btw the Citizenship Amendment Bill 2016 that BJP is talking about gives citizenship rights to all minorities from BD,Pakistan and Afghanistan.
 
cricketjoshila said:
200mn people? Where did you get that figure?

If your parents entered India illegally and you were born here, it doesnt give you the right to Indian citizenship.
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These Muslim's and Christian's your Hindu fundo's want out number over 200 million. You should have got rid of them centuries back if they were supposed children of invaders. What you are saying is as illogical and absurd as white American's wanting to get rid of the black's. It's never gonna happen! It is impossible for your nutcases to prove what Muslim's and Christian's are children of invaders. No other country will take them.
 
PakLFC said:
These Muslim's and Christian's your Hindu fundo's want out number over 200 million. You should have got rid of them centuries back if they were supposed children of invaders. What you are saying is as illogical and absurd as white American's wanting to get rid of the black's. It's never gonna happen! It is impossible for your nutcases to prove what Muslim's and Christian's are children of invaders. No other country will take them.
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Who wants them out? This thread is about people who came into India illegally, not every single Muslim in India. They don't come anywhere close to 200 million.
 
PakLFC said:
These Muslim's and Christian's your Hindu fundo's want out number over 200 million. You should have got rid of them centuries back if they were supposed children of invaders. What you are saying is as illogical and absurd as white American's wanting to get rid of the black's. It's never gonna happen! It is impossible for your nutcases to prove what Muslim's and Christian's are children of invaders. No other country will take them.
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You need to re read the whole thread. You have no idea whats the issue is and what you are talking.
 
Slim said:
But why only selectively these religions? Isnt India a religiously neutral state? :moyo
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That was my personal opinion, I am only concerned with accepting my Dharmic brothers.

CJ mentioned above that Citizenship Amendment Bill is supposed to accept all neighborhood minorities, so that sounds neutral.
 
pillionrider said:
:))

None of these guys have changed their handles. Maybe the brahman in
some of them prevents it. Or maybe they consider themselves too Lutyens-wannabe to be chowkidars.
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Now where do Brahmans come into all this?

Please don't target a community for the sake of your online battles.
 
Not followed the discussion in this thread but given the plight of the young Hindu girls being abducted and converted next door, I really hope we pass this law ASAP. There should be also be some assistance scheme introduced so the poor there are not reluctant to move as was the case during partition
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">SHOCKING AND DEEPLY DISTRESSING <br><br>Union Minister Maneka Gandhi telling a gathering of Muslims in UP's Sultanpur, from where she is contesting the election, to vote for her or else she will not be inclined to be responsive to their requests. <a href="https://t.co/TUvxzQR3xo">pic.twitter.com/TUvxzQR3xo</a></p>— Faye DSouza (@fayedsouza) <a href="https://twitter.com/fayedsouza/status/1116629833453199362?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 12, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Another BJP minister openly threatening muslims. BJP hates muslim just like Nazi hated Jews
 
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bjp and most of the Hindus hate Muslims with passion that's a proven fact even on this forum people have shown their hatred towards Muslims.Pathetic people of pathetic country
 
Invincible Gujjar said:
bjp and most of the Hindus hate Muslims with passion that's a proven fact even on this forum people have shown their hatred towards Muslims.Pathetic people of pathetic country
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Ironic that this post happens to be the most hateful comment in this thread.
 
BlackShadow said:
Nah, you are just showcasing your deep rooted prejudice and hatred against an entire community.

Sad.
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LOL.ultah chor kotwal ko daante.I don't need to prove you anything.your countrymen do hate Muslims with passion and I m pretty sure you are one of them.Pathetic country.
 
Invincible Gujjar said:
LOL.ultah chor kotwal ko daante.I don't need to prove you anything.your countrymen do hate Muslims with passion and I m pretty sure you are one of them.Pathetic country.
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You are different to the bigots who believe that every Muslim is a terrorist.

God help your kind.
 
Sachin136 said:
Why are people up in arms about this? They're illegal immigrants, and India can do whatever they want with them. Let them stay, kick them out, etc.



It can't be used against Muslims who are in India legally. There is nothing that indicates that. There are around 200 million Muslims in India, 15% of the population. No one wants to kick them out.
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Appreciate that, I'm not saying it will amount to religious / ethnic cleansing of the country but due to the choice of words used, it would embolden the majority community to attack the minority community regardless of legal status. This is in part because of the deep division and hatred being sown in the country.
 
BJP is clearly panicking, they know the ground reality, this election will be tough for them. Now don't be surprised if they raise their divisive political games.
 
Swashbuckler said:
BJP is clearly panicking, they know the ground reality, this election will be tough for them. Now don't be surprised if they raise their divisive political games.
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This is the last throw of dice for them. Last time they came on the promise of development and the gujrat model, but they are using religion and army (the last refuge of the scoundrels)
 
BlackShadow said:
That was my personal opinion, I am only concerned with accepting my Dharmic brothers.

CJ mentioned above that Citizenship Amendment Bill is supposed to accept all neighborhood minorities, so that sounds neutral.
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A lot of your Dharmic brothers are living abroad in countries like USA, Australia and Britain. Seems like the cream of the crop Indians prefer the society created by Abrahamics to the Dharmic one at home.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
A lot of your Dharmic brothers are living abroad in countries like USA, Australia and Britain. Seems like the cream of the crop Indians prefer the society created by Abrahamics to the Dharmic one at home.
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Yes, they do prefer the civilized and progressive half of Abrahamic world, and there's nothing wrong in it. I am for this movement between the two worlds as long as they add value to each other. It's a win-win for everyone.

Same cannot be said of the illegal immigrants in question though. No one wants these trouble-makers to invade their borders. Countries in Europe allowed that, now they regret. The only reason I would even consider absorbing some of them is a religious bond, like Pakistan and Bangladesh have done with Rohingyas. As a person of faith, I admire that.
 
BlackShadow said:
Ironic that this post happens to be the most hateful comment in this thread.
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Truth is bitter. Just read your post in this thread first and then read his post. You will understand why is he saying so. Guys like you really give bad name to other Indians and are actually a black spot(not shadow). We will never become secular because educated people like you behave like jaahils on online forums. :inti
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I think you don't understand where CricketCartoons is coming from. Hindu extremists are keen students of the Islamic fundamentalist doctrines, if you look at movements like ISIS or Taliban, they don't believe in borders, the aim is to establish a Caliphate where all Muslims can seek refuge and prosperity under Islamic rule.

The Hindutvas have compared this to India's historic wishy-washy attitude with regard to their own religion and are now trying to model Islam and Sharia such is their admiration for the resolute and comprehensive nature of the Muslim creed.

Read every post by a Hindutva and you will see a weak echo of fundamentalist Islam, hence when they are challenged they will always revert to whataboutism. The comparison is only valid if you take into consideration they are modelling against Islamic nations themselves.
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The hypocrisy and the delusions of the neutral Britisher is amazing and praiseworthy.
 
PakLFC said:
Where should these infiltrators go according to the extremists? I don't know how they are infiltrators when they are people of the soil. Most are born and raised in India knowing no other home. Throwing over 200 million people out means civil war!
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Seems some of our neighbors have comprehension issues. It’s talking about illegal immigrants not legal citizens of India.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I think you don't understand where CricketCartoons is coming from. Hindu extremists are keen students of the Islamic fundamentalist doctrines, if you look at movements like ISIS or Taliban, they don't believe in borders, the aim is to establish a Caliphate where all Muslims can seek refuge and prosperity under Islamic rule.

The Hindutvas have compared this to India's historic wishy-washy attitude with regard to their own religion and are now trying to model Islam and Sharia such is their admiration for the resolute and comprehensive nature of the Muslim creed.

Read every post by a Hindutva and you will see a weak echo of fundamentalist Islam, hence when they are challenged they will always revert to whataboutism. The comparison is only valid if you take into consideration they are modelling against Islamic nations themselves.
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The only post that makes any sense here.

Also, BJP has always been a party of people who lack generosity of spirit and you can see that reflected in these petty, do paise ke soch wali statements.
Tuche log,tuchi baatein.

And FYI,Sikhs have zero brotherhood with any Hinduvta bhaakts.
 
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Sachin136 said:
Who wants them out? This thread is about people who came into India illegally, not every single Muslim in India. They don't come anywhere close to 200 million.
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I don't think so! The RSS see all Muslim's as invaders, this can be seen in their speeches when they refer to them as "desh droh". No where have they claimed to be talking exclusively about Bangladeshis or the Rohingya refugee's. The RSS where talking of all Muslim's when saying they want a Hindu India by 2020 or something.

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] Do some research before running your mouth as always. You are famous for that here.
 
PakLFC said:
I don't think so! The RSS see all Muslim's as invaders, this can be seen in their speeches when they refer to them as "desh droh". No where have they claimed to be talking exclusively about Bangladeshis or the Rohingya refugee's. The RSS where talking of all Muslim's when saying they want a Hindu India by 2020 or something.

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] Do some research before running your mouth as always. You are famous for that here.
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Lol. You know nothing. Unlike you i actually post after researching.

Go read the entire thread. This talks about removing illegal infiltrators not all muslims.
 
PakLFC said:
I don't think so! The RSS see all Muslim's as invaders, this can be seen in their speeches when they refer to them as "desh droh". No where have they claimed to be talking exclusively about Bangladeshis or the Rohingya refugee's.
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Actually, this tweet is about illegal immigrants. But it's the language and the choice of words that reveals a desperation in their ranks.

Inviting Hindus from Fiji etc has been an RSS thought for years now. They think of India as some welcoming Hindu mother. There is also the angle of Indians taking their role globally, a bit too seriously, and attaching more prominence and relevance than is the reality.

RSS often plays with words. They believe all Indians are Hindus because the RSS subscribes to the theory that everyone who is not Hindu today were once Hindus, and were converted. I personally don't abhor the RSS as much as I do the VHP, Bajrang Dal, BJP and the chota senas across the country. But this thought is comical because it assumes a history of Hinduism as a religion way way older than it is. And a convenient appropriation of Vedic philosophies into Hinduism to make it older than it is.

Most BJP Hindus don't realize their ancestors were not Hindu but some pagan, tribal, ancestor-worshipper and way more recent than the converts' they despise.
 
KingKhanWC said:
I think it's fair to assume millions of Hindus who vote for the BJP also have this extremist mindset.

Or they are serioulsy bitter about their history which is understandable after being ruled by 'outsiders' for over a 1000 years.
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Bro,

Your above statement is a generalisation, me personally would vote for BJP not because of a bitter history or extremist mindset. I am scared living daylights of Rahul Gandhi aka little child in diapers who have no clue between night and day being the leader of a nation. He is not fit enough to be an apprentice as even a shoe cleaner let alone run a country.

Those Indians who hate BJP will be in tears when Rahul Gandhi signs away Kashmir to Pakistan, the chicken's neck to China and whoever else that wants to take Indian territory. Rahul Gandhi is literally so dumb, he is mentally handicapped, you cant fix that and it will be scariest of times since Hitler, if this good for nothing, nobody becomes the PM of India.

I am not anti muslim or anti christian or anti any religion. Do I agree with conversion to another religion ? NO, same way I would not want Hindus going around converting others to Hinduism...
 
cricketjoshila said:
Lol. You know nothing. Unlike you i actually post after researching.

Go read the entire thread. This talks about removing illegal infiltrators not all muslims.
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You wouldn't be a laughing stock on this website if you did some research! By illegal's the RSS means Muslims. They said they would get rid of Muslim's by 2020 I think it was so join the dots if you can do that!
 
KingKhanWC said:
I think it's fair to assume millions of Hindus who vote for the BJP also have this extremist mindset.

Or they are serioulsy bitter about their history which is understandable after being ruled by 'outsiders' for over a 1000 years.
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There is nothing extremist about wanting to kick out illegal immigrants.

And I don't understand why you guys keep bring up that "history", as if invasion and genocide is something to be proud of.
 
pillionrider said:
Actually, this tweet is about illegal immigrants. But it's the language and the choice of words that reveals a desperation in their ranks.

Inviting Hindus from Fiji etc has been an RSS thought for years now. They think of India as some welcoming Hindu mother. There is also the angle of Indians taking their role globally, a bit too seriously, and attaching more prominence and relevance than is the reality. What part of my previous mail do you disagreew

RSS often plays with words. They believe all Indians are Hindus because the RSS subscribes to the theory that everyone who is not Hindu today were once Hindus, and were converted. I personally don't abhor the RSS as much as I do the VHP, Bajrang Dal, BJP and the chota senas across the country. But this thought is comical because it assumes a history of Hinduism as a religion way way older than it is. And a convenient appropriation of Vedic philosophies into Hinduism to make it older than it is.

Most BJP Hindus don't realize their ancestors were not Hindu but some pagan, tribal, ancestor-worshipper and way more recent than the converts' they despise.
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By illegals RSS means Muslim's. They said this some years back with their 2020 or 2021 nonsense. You are right though that Hindu's themselves are converts themselves from other non mainstream religions. What part of my previous mail do you agree with?
 
PakLFC said:
You wouldn't be a laughing stock on this website if you did some research! By illegal's the RSS means Muslims. They said they would get rid of Muslim's by 2020 I think it was so join the dots if you can do that!
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By illegals means, it means people who entered India without documents and are staying here.

As i said you know nothing. Read the rest of the thread so that you dont come across as a joke on this thread.

Where did this 2020 nonsense did you invent from?
 
PakLFC said:
By illegals RSS means Muslim's. They said this some years back with their 2020 or 2021 nonsense. You are right though that Hindu's themselves are converts themselves from other non mainstream religions. What part of my previous mail do you agree with?
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[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]

Are you guys talking about this? :inti

'We will free India of Muslims and Christians by 2021': DJS leader vows to continue 'ghar wapsi' plans and restore 'Hindu glory'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiaho...nue-ghar-wapsi-plans-restore-Hindu-glory.html
 
pillionrider said:
Actually, this tweet is about illegal immigrants. But it's the language and the choice of words that reveals a desperation in their ranks.

Inviting Hindus from Fiji etc has been an RSS thought for years now. They think of India as some welcoming Hindu mother. There is also the angle of Indians taking their role globally, a bit too seriously, and attaching more prominence and relevance than is the reality.

RSS often plays with words. They believe all Indians are Hindus because the RSS subscribes to the theory that everyone who is not Hindu today were once Hindus, and were converted. I personally don't abhor the RSS as much as I do the VHP, Bajrang Dal, BJP and the chota senas across the country. But this thought is comical because it assumes a history of Hinduism as a religion way way older than it is. And a convenient appropriation of Vedic philosophies into Hinduism to make it older than it is.

Most BJP Hindus don't realize their ancestors were not Hindu but some pagan, tribal, ancestor-worshipper and way more recent than the converts' they despise.
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First of all you need to know that Hinduism the name is a foreign term. The actual ancient name is Sanatan dharma.

The first veda, the rig veda was written some 3000 to 4000 yr ago. Can you tell me which religion was followed before this?

Sanatan Dharma follows the vedas. Even today the hymns in Rig veda are used in marriage,death and birth ceremonies in sanatan dharma followers.

Islam arrived with Prophet Mohammad(pbuh) in 7th century AD, people of the subcontinent were following sanatan dharma or buddhism or jainism then. So unless around 600mn muslims are all foreigners to this land most of them followed some dharmic religion before being converted to muslims. Same goes with christianity. Even buddhism and jainism came to the subcontinent long after sanatan dharma.

No one despises any converts, but to say that people in the subcontinent were not following sanatan dharma for 100s of years before conversion is a lie. There is a reason why religions like Sanatan dharma or even judaism dont have the concept of conversion while some others do.
 
PakLFC said:
What part of my previous mail do you agree with?
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The bit that suggests they want to remove all Indian Muslims from India. At this point in time.

The problem with going after illegal immigrants, the BJP way, is:
The party has time and again shown it has no real credible voice or thought. Multiple voices keep emanating from different leaderships. So it becomes very difficult to understand and believe what they define by 'illegally entered'. How far back does this go. Is it, in the last couple of decades? How long after partition, or do we go before that. Do we then count the arrival of Islam into India as illegally entering. What about Christianity? Some parts of India received Christians long before Islam. These are all dangerous questions because the answers will never come in a convincing way from the BJP.

Right now, basically they're trying to convince that they're referring to illegal Bangladeshi immigrants. But the nature of the BJP is such that, they cannot be trusted to change the game, especially if there are elections around the corner.

cricketjoshila said:
First of all you need to know that Hinduism the name is a foreign term. The actual ancient name is Sanatan dharma.

The first veda, the rig veda was written some 3000 to 4000 yr ago. Can you tell me which religion was followed before this?

Sanatan Dharma follows the vedas. Even today the hymns in Rig veda are used in marriage,death and birth ceremonies in sanatan dharma followers.

Islam arrived with Prophet Mohammad(pbuh) in 7th century AD, people of the subcontinent were following sanatan dharma or buddhism or jainism then. So unless around 600mn muslims are all foreigners to this land most of them followed some dharmic religion before being converted to muslims. Same goes with christianity. Even buddhism and jainism came to the subcontinent long after sanatan dharma.
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You pretty much are talking about my point which I don't think I made clear earlier.

My points simply put are:
Modern Hinduism has almost nothing in common practically with Vedic thoughts apart from conversational references to karma (which some would say was appropriated from Buddhism), for eg, 'it's my karma I have to deal with the BJP." And religious chants/prayers, and that too limited to certain castes.

There was a way of living and cultural traditions in this region. It's generally accepted that Shankaracharya revived these thoughts, philosophies and way of life and unified them into a religion that we now call Hinduism.

Once again, to summarize:
Modern Hindus don't practically have anything to do with Vedic thoughts and philosophies.
The ancestors of modern Hindus weren't Hindus, the way we think of Hinduism. They were a widespread mix of forms of worship that were pulled together under one common umbrella.

Therefore, the claim that most Indians were once Hindu is wrong and false. If they said that most Indians once upon a time might have followed Vedic thoughts, and some of them became modern Hindus, some of them became modern Muslims, Christians etc, there would be more meaning to it.

The problem with the current narrative is that it suggests a kind of racial purity and superiority of one group of people which is simply not true because the Indian region has probably been the biggest melting pot of cultures and races over the centuries.
 
cricketjoshila said:
By illegals means, it means people who entered India without documents and are staying here.

As i said you know nothing. Read the rest of the thread so that you dont come across as a joke on this thread.

Where did this 2020 nonsense did you invent from?
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Again you have made a complete fool of yourself!! This proves again what they mean by illegals once again confirming how ignorant you are, Try joining a circus!

 
pillionrider said:
The bit that suggests they want to remove all Indian Muslims from India. At this point in time.

The problem with going after illegal immigrants, the BJP way, is:
The party has time and again shown it has no real credible voice or thought. Multiple voices keep emanating from different leaderships. So it becomes very difficult to understand and believe what they define by 'illegally entered'. How far back does this go. Is it, in the last couple of decades? How long after partition, or do we go before that. Do we then count the arrival of Islam into India as illegally entering. What about Christianity? Some parts of India received Christians long before Islam. These are all dangerous questions because the answers will never come in a convincing way from the BJP.

Right now, basically they're trying to convince that they're referring to illegal Bangladeshi immigrants. But the nature of the BJP is such that, they cannot be trusted to change the game, especially if there are elections around the corner.



You pretty much are talking about my point which I don't think I made clear earlier.

My points simply put are:
Modern Hinduism has almost nothing in common practically with Vedic thoughts apart from conversational references to karma (which some would say was appropriated from Buddhism), for eg, 'it's my karma I have to deal with the BJP." And religious chants/prayers, and that too limited to certain castes.

There was a way of living and cultural traditions in this region. It's generally accepted that Shankaracharya revived these thoughts, philosophies and way of life and unified them into a religion that we now call Hinduism.

Once again, to summarize:
Modern Hindus don't practically have anything to do with Vedic thoughts and philosophies.
The ancestors of modern Hindus weren't Hindus, the way we think of Hinduism. They were a widespread mix of forms of worship that were pulled together under one common umbrella.

Therefore, the claim that most Indians were once Hindu is wrong and false. If they said that most Indians once upon a time might have followed Vedic thoughts, and some of them became modern Hindus, some of them became modern Muslims, Christians etc, there would be more meaning to it.

The problem with the current narrative is that it suggests a kind of racial purity and superiority of one group of people which is simply not true because the Indian region has probably been the biggest melting pot of cultures and races over the centuries.
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See my post 147. What? BJP and RSS are not powerful??:bm Sure Hindu fundo's insist that Christian and Muslim's were invaders which is why they want them out. Hindu's hate Muslim's much more then the other way round no doubt about that whatsoever. You will hardly see even a hardliner Muslim like Hafiz Saeed ever encouraging the rape or murder of Hindu people like Adityanath and his cronies do. Your other views of who Hindu's are or are not are rather irrelevant to this thread, here we are discussing supposed infiltrators. I am saying that by infiltrators the RSS mean all Muslim's of India not only the recent comers from Bangladesh and Myanmar. Not sure what you are saying!!
 
pillionrider said:
The bit that suggests they want to remove all Indian Muslims from India. At this point in time.

The problem with going after illegal immigrants, the BJP way, is:
The party has time and again shown it has no real credible voice or thought. Multiple voices keep emanating from different leaderships. So it becomes very difficult to understand and believe what they define by 'illegally entered'. How far back does this go. Is it, in the last couple of decades? How long after partition, or do we go before that. Do we then count the arrival of Islam into India as illegally entering. What about Christianity? Some parts of India received Christians long before Islam. These are all dangerous questions because the answers will never come in a convincing way from the BJP.

Right now, basically they're trying to convince that they're referring to illegal Bangladeshi immigrants. But the nature of the BJP is such that, they cannot be trusted to change the game, especially if there are elections around the corner.



You pretty much are talking about my point which I don't think I made clear earlier.

My points simply put are:
Modern Hinduism has almost nothing in common practically with Vedic thoughts apart from conversational references to karma (which some would say was appropriated from Buddhism), for eg, 'it's my karma I have to deal with the BJP." And religious chants/prayers, and that too limited to certain castes.

There was a way of living and cultural traditions in this region. It's generally accepted that Shankaracharya revived these thoughts, philosophies and way of life and unified them into a religion that we now call Hinduism.

Once again, to summarize:
Modern Hindus don't practically have anything to do with Vedic thoughts and philosophies.
The ancestors of modern Hindus weren't Hindus, the way we think of Hinduism. They were a widespread mix of forms of worship that were pulled together under one common umbrella.

Therefore, the claim that most Indians were once Hindu is wrong and false. If they said that most Indians once upon a time might have followed Vedic thoughts, and some of them became modern Hindus, some of them became modern Muslims, Christians etc, there would be more meaning to it.

The problem with the current narrative is that it suggests a kind of racial purity and superiority of one group of people which is simply not true because the Indian region has probably been the biggest melting pot of cultures and races over the centuries.
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Hindu rituals and incantations are from the vedas. So hindus follow the vedas.

What Adi Shankara did was to propogate hinduism which had seen decline in last few centuries.

Regarding how far this illegal immigrant issue goes, well its already defined in the constitution under the Indian citizenship act. Anyone who was residing in India prior to 26th january 1950 is automatically a citizen. After that citizenship is guided by the Indian citizenship Act and the subsequent amendments to it and the foreigners act and the Passport Act. Its simple. I dont understand why its so confusing to you.

The way things are going an 1979 Assam like agitation by Indians againist these foreign infiltrators isnt far away.
 
PakLFC said:
Again you have made a complete fool of yourself!! This proves again what they mean by illegals once again confirming how ignorant you are, Try joining a circus!

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This is what happens when you dont watch and just post links.

This is the same organisation. DJS. Not Bjp.
 
PakLFC said:
See my post 147. What? BJP and RSS are not powerful??:bm Sure Hindu fundo's insist that Christian and Muslim's were invaders which is why they want them out. Hindu's hate Muslim's much more then the other way round no doubt about that whatsoever. You will hardly see even a hardliner Muslim like Hafiz Saeed ever encouraging the rape or murder of Hindu people like Adityanath and his cronies do. Your other views of who Hindu's are or are not are rather irrelevant to this thread, here we are discussing supposed infiltrators. I am saying that by infiltrators the RSS mean all Muslim's of India not only the recent comers from Bangladesh and Myanmar. Not sure what you are saying!!
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Lol. Go read the OP. Its says implementation of NRC. Now go read what is NRC.

You are making no sense here.
 
So the BJP is being selective about what Trump would call criminals and our problem is what?

The problems with BJP arent this - its just a logical conclusion of what they stand for - we should be worrying about their other nefarious designs on Muslims etc (which we do) - this news item has more comical value than anything else.
 
From Reuters:

“A Bharatiya Janata Party government will pick up infiltrators one by one and throw them into the Bay of Bengal,” he said, referring to illegal immigrants from neighbouring Muslim-majority Bangladesh.
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-BJP's president



NEW DELHI (Reuters) - The head of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s ruling Hindu nationalist party took his invective against illegal Muslim immigrants to a new level this week as the general election kicked off, promising to throw them into the Bay of Bengal.

Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) President Amit Shah referred to such illegal immigrants as “termites”, a description he also used last September, when he drew condemnation from rights groups. The U.S. State Department also noted the remark in its annual human rights report.

“Infiltrators are like termites in the soil of Bengal,” Shah said on Thursday at a rally in West Bengal, as voting in India’s 39-day general election started.

“A Bharatiya Janata Party government will pick up infiltrators one by one and throw them into the Bay of Bengal,” he said, referring to illegal immigrants from neighbouring Muslim-majority Bangladesh.

Shah nevertheless reiterated the BJP’s stance on giving citizenship to Hindus, Buddhists, Jains and Sikhs from Bangladesh and Pakistan.

India is already working on deporting an estimated 40,000 Rohingya Muslims living in the country after fleeing Buddhist-majority Myanmar. New Delhi considers them a security threat.

The comments from Shah, the right-hand man of Modi, drew criticism from the main opposition Congress party as well as minority groups. On Twitter, some users likened his speech to a suggestion of ethnic cleansing.

“The statement is a direct attack on the identity and integrity of the nation as a secular state,” the Kerala Christian Forum, a group from the southern state, said in a statement. It demanded an apology from Shah.

A BJP spokesman declined to comment on the speech.

Congress spokesman Sanjay Jha said Shah’s remarks were a deliberate attempt to polarise voters along sectarian lines.

“The political business model of the BJP is to raise the communal temperature, keep it at a boil, and to keep India in a permanent religious divide,” Jha said.

https://www.reuters.com/article/ind...l-immigrants-into-bay-of-bengal-idUSKCN1RO1YD

Reporting by Devjyot Ghoshal; Additional reporting by Munsif Vengattil; Editing by Krishna N. Das
 
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“A Bharatiya Janata Party government will pick up infiltrators one by one and throw them into the Bay of Bengal,” he said, referring to illegal immigrants from neighbouring Muslim-majority Bangladesh.
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I think this is the crux of the matter. While many Indian poster like to refer to collapse of East Pakistan in 1971 as some sort of great victory, of course it left them with the problem of Bangladeshi immigrants constantly flowing into India despite a fence being erected to keep them out.

Of course many Bangladeshis don't recognise any part of Bengal as belonging to India, as Bengalis are all one race, they feel whole of Bengal rightfully belongs to them.
 
By the way, I feel it was right for WhenSultanBowled to highlight the passage above. To think a govt minister of an aspiring world superpower can use such disgusting language is shameful. These are your elected representatives?
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
By the way, I feel it was right for WhenSultanBowled to highlight the passage above. To think a govt minister of an aspiring world superpower can use such disgusting language is shameful. These are your elected representatives?
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Leaders are representative of their electorate. Highlights the educational levels of Indian voters.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Lol. Go read the OP. Its says implementation of NRC. Now go read what is NRC.

You are making no sense here.
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Does not matter what the original post is saying. I am telling you by infiltrators the RSS means getting rid of all Muslims and Christians. This "infiltrators" rubbish is just a disguise they are using, they can't openly say "we want all Muslim's and Christian's out". When RSS type hooligans use the term "desh drohi" they mean Muslims and you know it so stop pretending.
 
PakLFC said:
See my post 147. What? BJP and RSS are not powerful??:bm
Not sure what you are saying!!
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Simple. At this point they're not talking about anyone else other than Bangladeshi immigrants who entered illegally.

Actually the RSS and bjp are more powerful in the media than on the ground. Or rather, the Indian public (Hindu majority more relevantly here) are less interested in politics of religion than outsiders think they are. And this will be proved in the elections and also if the BJP try to push existing boundaries on matters other than doing away with minority appeasement and similar issues that need addressing.

cricketjoshila said:
I dont understand why its so confusing to you.
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Because of the BJPs track record of lies. What they say today won't necessarily hold tomorrow, especially if they get a majority in both houses, allowing them technically to be able to change the Constitution

They won't. That's a different reality though :)
 
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