Wellington (97/1) defeat Shaheens (91) by 9 wickets to win 2nd T20 match

[sweep_shot]

Wellington won the toss and opt to bowl

 

[YousafTheBeast]

Younghusband

Has to be up there with one of the worst cricketer names I’ve ever heard.

 

[angrypathan]

Younghusband

Has to be up there with one of the worst cricketer names I’ve ever heard.

For sure. Beats Sidebottom

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

Genuinely, genuinely curious as to why do they keep picking Iftikhar in a development squad game, instead of Abdullah Shafique? Why even keep Abdullah in the Shaheens if he won't play?

The media needs to ask Ijaz Ahmed/Misbah these pertinent/obvious queries, as the Shaheens should be a development team, NOT a reserves team!

 

[deems]

Shaheens are 20 for 4....

 

[Belawal2014]

Lowwwly start from the boywws.

 

[Titan24]

Some ordinary batting till now from Shaheens. 4-25 currently in 6.4 overs.

 

[Belawal2014]

I'm hopeful we can get past 36.

 

[deems]

50 for 6..
Chacha is out

 

[Arsal_AK]

Iftikhar again. Unbelievable

 

[Belawal2014]

wellington should ask us to bat twice so they can at least chase a challenging total.

 

[shaaik]

Ifti 3 of 9 balls .. wow

 

[aloo paratha]

Shaheens recreating the performance of the senior team

 

[Titan24]

Pak batting on display throughout the NZ.

 

[Maliq_Mudasir]

YoungHusband has picked up 2 wickets so far

 

[Shoaib88]

Pakistani team management is seriously pathetic and need to be fired asap all of them!

 

[Shoaib88]

Just when you think Misbah can't take Pakistani cricket team any lower... 91 all out to domestic B team in New zealand

 

[Shoaib88]

This is the same team which Mickey Arthur made number 1 in the world and an absolute beast in t20s.

 

[shah_1]

Hussain Talat is another domestic cricket bully.

I don't see any future in Hussain Talat, Khushdil and Ifti chaca.

 

[shaaik]

Hussain Talat is another domestic cricket bully.

I don't see any future in Hussain Talat, Khushdil and Ifti chaca.

He’s not a t20 player .. he needs to be tried in tests and odis before being written off completely..

 

[shah_1]

He’s not a t20 player .. he needs to be tried in tests and odis before being written off completely..

Even in ODIs, he needs to play more horizontal shots. His scoring shots against fast bowler is limited, mostly trying these scoops and hit it towards midwicket to mid on.

 

[Aman]

Rachin Ravindra will be playing for NZ soon.

Finn Allen too if he starts performing consistently in domestic cricket, seems to have had a good start this season.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Pretty bad day to be a Pakistan cricket fan. Man.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Haris Rauf going at 12 an over against Conway and Rach but its unthinkable that he'd go for 15 an over on true pitches and against superior batsmen.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Haris Rauf going at 12 an over against Conway and Rach but its unthinkable that he'd go for 15 an over on true pitches and against superior batsmen.

The average score on these pitches is 200 with small boundaries. Blast our batsmen, you’re trolling the wrong Pak player

 

[Shoaib88]

Pretty bad day to be a Pakistan cricket fan. Man.

The same fans who were doing bhangra for India's 36 ao (including me) few days back. Now India has beaten aus by 8 wickets too. How things changes ... ALWAYS BE HUMBLE

 

[Shoaib88]

New Zealand domestic B team has absolutely thrashed the so called number one T20 in the world like there's no tomorrow. Won by 9 wickets with more than half of the overs remaining... Thank You Misbah

 

[Shoaib88]

Seriously man

 

[sindhiboy]

Pak A is gonna lose against every new Zealand domestic team )

 

[Shoaib88]

Pak A is gonna lose against every new Zealand domestic team )

This is not just a loss, it is complete humiliation. We lost by 9 wickets with more than half of the overs remaining of Kiwi innings. And this is not just Pak A, more than half of these players played in the Pakistan national team. Absolutely PATHETIC

 

[MenInG]

 

[Muddaser]

Don't think anyone can disagree with you after this...

It's a T20.

Relax.

 

[RyanRyan10]

Even you wouldn't have expected back to back losses against provincial side of NZ?

 

[Mamoon]

Even you wouldn't have expected back to back losses against provincial side of NZ?

I did. I have been saying this for a while - the young crop of Pakistani players are among the least talented in the world with zero cricket intelligence.

 

[Shoaib88]

It's a T20.

Relax.

Didn't we Pakistanis spend two years convincing the world that T20 is the most important format because we were ranked number 1 in it while being ranked the usual 7 in Tests and ODIs?

 

[shah_1]

All hype = Zero substance

 

[Shoaib88]

Also, we are still much better in T20s than in Tests and ODIs. Some people had even suggested that Pakistan as a team should retire from Tests and ODIs and keep playing t20s lol. Now here we are...

 

[Shoaib88]

All hype = Zero substance

Basically what Mamoon had been saying all these years and poor guy kept getting abused by Pakistani fans. I guess now we got nothing left but to agree with him...

 

[Muddaser]

Didn't we Pakistanis spend two years convincing the world that T20 is the most important format because we were ranked number 1 in it while being ranked the usual 7 in Tests and ODIs?

Speak for yourself. I never said anything.

I am talking purely as a format. T20 is like Russian roulette. You win some you lose some.

 

[Usman]

Genuinely, genuinely curious as to why do they keep picking Iftikhar in a development squad game, instead of Abdullah Shafique? Why even keep Abdullah in the Shaheens if he won't play?

The media needs to ask Ijaz Ahmed/Misbah these pertinent/obvious queries, as the Shaheens should be a development team, NOT a reserves team!

It's because if Abdullah performs, it will put pressure on the positions of some of those in the senior team. Granted tests and T20s are different formats but nonetheless the test batters are doing so poorly that a big score from anyone in the Shaheens is going to challenge the seniors.

I can see no other justification for excluding Abdullah.

 

[shah_1]

Malik will be back and he deserves it

 

[Mamoon]

Basically what Mamoon had been saying all these years and poor guy kept getting abused by Pakistani fans. I guess now we got nothing left but to agree with him...

One day, people will realize I am neither a troll nor a hater. Just a decade ahead of everyone else.

 

[Muddaser]

Basically what Mamoon had been saying all these years and poor guy kept getting abused by Pakistani fans. I guess now we got nothing left but to agree with him...

Mamoon would criticise the team even after winning a trophy.

Remember him saying fluke after the Champions trophy win.

Damned if you do damned if you don't.

 

[shah_1]

Basically what Mamoon had been saying all these years and poor guy kept getting abused by Pakistani fans. I guess now we got nothing left but to agree with him...

Last two years I have stopped believing in hype of any Pakistani player after being disappointed for so long. Perform at international level, then sustain it for some time then we can have a discussion

 

[Mamoon]

Mamoon would criticise the team even after winning a trophy.

Remember him saying fluke after the Champions trophy win.

Damned if you do damned if you don't.

In spite of the fact that I was the first win to say that we will win the CT during our second match vs South Africa. I got the WT20 2009 vibes.

Nevertheless, it was indeed a fluke.

The same set of players have faced the same set of Indian players in 5 ODIs and they have lost 4 of them. Sums up the gulf between the two sides.

 

[Muddaser]

Last two years I have stopped believing in hype of any Pakistani player after being disappointed for so long. Perform at international level, then sustain it for some time then we can have a discussion

I agree with this but at the same time we have to be patient.

Our fans views keep changing after a single performance.

One good performance and they starting comparing to greats then one bad performance and its time he is replaced.

 

[Muddaser]

In spite of the fact that I was the first win to say that we will win the CT during our second match vs South Africa. I got the WT20 2009 vibes.

Nevertheless, it was indeed a fluke.

The same set of players have faced the same set of Indian players in 5 ODIs and they have lost 4 of them. Sums up the gulf between the two sides.

Exactly my point about your mindset.

Damned if you do damned if you don't.

Lose and we are minnows. Win and it's a fluke.

 

[Mamoon]

Exactly my point about your mindset.

Damned if you do damned if you don't.

Lose and we are minnows. Win and it's a fluke.

It will not be a fluke if we show consistency against the top sides.

After the Champions Trophy, the Pakistan team had enough opportunities to prove that it wasn’t a fluke.

They had a 5 match ODI series in New Zealand few months later and they lost 5-0.

After beating minnows in 2018, the Asia Cup took place. It was the perfect opportunity to showcase that the Champions Trophy wasn’t a fluke by beating India again, but we got thumped by them in both matches even though they were without Kohli.

We also lost to Bangladesh.

All of that proved that the Champions Trophy was a fluke.

Had they won those games, I would have had to eat my words. Unfortunately, the team only proved me right.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] Hope you have seen Rohail Nazir's score here. He is certainly 125 % of the batsman Pant is .

 

[Shoaib88]

[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] Hope you have seen Rohail Nazir's score here. He is certainly 125 % of the batsman Pant is .

Leave it to you guys to rub it in for us lol

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Leave it to you guys to rub it in for us lol

Nah. I actually think you guys will get better. You have a very good core of players to work with . Haider and Shafique, a plethora of quicks, Zafar in the spin dept. Just need to put the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle together. However,some posters and their outlandish posts need to be called out

 

[Shoaib88]

Nah. I actually think you guys will get better. You have a very good core of players to work with . Haider and Shafique, a plethora of quicks, Zafar in the spin dept. Just need to put the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle together. However,some posters and their outlandish posts need to be called out

Sensible comment, thanks!

 

[El Generico]

How is Rauf doing worse in these domestic matches than he did in the actual internationals? He should be dominating here considering he did well in the T20Is.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Nah. I actually think you guys will get better. You have a very good core of players to work with . Haider and Shafique, a plethora of quicks, Zafar in the spin dept. Just need to put the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle together. However,some posters and their outlandish posts need to be called out

Why do you have so much faith in Haider, Shafique, and Gohar? I hope they develop well but we’ve already shattered Shafique’s confidence, and dropped him from all formats, including the Shaheens team, in the process making him miss an entire season of first class cricket for development.

I do look to the future optimistically but I don’t think we’re doing a very good job at building towards it. So just curious why as an Indian you have more faith than many Pakistanis

 

[Abdullah Rabbani]

Younghusband

Has to be up there with one of the worst cricketer names I’ve ever heard.

And people here joke about some khan names

 

[Muddaser]

Why do you have so much faith in Haider, Shafique, and Gohar? I hope they develop well but we’ve already shattered Shafique’s confidence, and dropped him from all formats, including the Shaheens team, in the process making him miss an entire season of first class cricket for development.

I do look to the future optimistically but I don’t think we’re doing a very good job at building towards it. So just curious why as an Indian you have more faith than many Pakistanis

Indians have patience.

Something we lack.

We rarely give a player a proper run and our players are never settled.

We want instant results.

Not gonna happen.

 

[Mamoon]

How is Rauf doing worse in these domestic matches than he did in the actual internationals? He should be dominating here considering he did well in the T20Is.

His demise has started. He will only get worse from here at every professional level. He is a just a tape ball bowler.

 

[ShoaibM]

It will not be a fluke if we show consistency against the top sides.

After the Champions Trophy, the Pakistan team had enough opportunities to prove that it wasn’t a fluke.

They had a 5 match ODI series in New Zealand few months later and they lost 5-0.

After beating minnows in 2018, the Asia Cup took place. It was the perfect opportunity to showcase that the Champions Trophy wasn’t a fluke by beating India again, but we got thumped by them in both matches even though they were without Kohli.

We also lost to Bangladesh.

All of that proved that the Champions Trophy was a fluke.

Had they won those games, I would have had to eat my words. Unfortunately, the team only proved me right.

Actually you do have to eat your words but I dont think you have the backbone to do so. We(a "minnow" team) just made it to the 5th day of a test match in NewZealand. A task your GOAT asian Indian lalloo panjoo team could not accomplish in the two test matches it played in NewZealand. Go ahead, munch munch.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

Indians have patience.

Something we lack.

We rarely give a player a proper run and our players are never settled.

We want instant results.

Not gonna happen.

I agree, but they can also afford to be patient with the youngsters since they’re getting results with the current crop. Would Indians be as patient if they were a mid table team? Also, I don’t see this kind of patience for Prithvi Shaw who looks twice the talent as the likes of Shafique and Haider?

 

[ShoaibM]

Genuinely, genuinely curious as to why do they keep picking Iftikhar in a development squad game, instead of Abdullah Shafique? Why even keep Abdullah in the Shaheens if he won't play?

The media needs to ask Ijaz Ahmed/Misbah these pertinent/obvious queries, as the Shaheens should be a development team, NOT a reserves team!

If you heard the commies today in the pak-kiwi game they were talking about finding a replacement for Wagner for the second test. they talked about their A team and mentioned that 60-70% of that team is usually reserves and 3-4 players that you think will make it in international cricket so you test them out. So no its not supposed to be a fully development team, a mixture of the two which we do have. We have just lost our way a bit in T20. Which is fine by me its pajama cricket.

 

[Muddaser]

I agree, but they can also afford to be patient with the youngsters since they’re getting results with the current crop. Would Indians be as patient if they were a mid table team? Also, I don’t see this kind of patience for Prithvi Shaw who looks twice the talent as the likes of Shafique and Haider?

True but in Shaws case they have adequate replacements.

We don't have that luxury.

We have to persist with a set of players. Eventually they will come good.

 

[Mamoon]

Actually you do have to eat your words but I dont think you have the backbone to do so. We(a "minnow" team) just made it to the 5th day of a test match in NewZealand. A task your GOAT asian Indian lalloo panjoo team could not accomplish in the two test matches it played in NewZealand. Go ahead, munch munch.

This is fun. I can also play this game: we haven’t even drawn a Test match in Australia since 1999, while India has romped to another Test win in Australia. You know I can go on and on and we will be here all day.

Besides, the success of a team is not measured by how you do in a particular venue or against a particular team; it is measured by your overall performance.

If you compare the overall performance of India and Pakistan across all formats against all teams, you will see how Indian cricket has left Pakistan cricket in its dust in this millennium.

I know it hurts to see Indian cricket race ahead of Pakistan cricket in this fashion, but we can either accept the reality or become delusional to the point of no repair like you have.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

Why do you have so much faith in Haider, Shafique, and Gohar? I hope they develop well but we’ve already shattered Shafique’s confidence, and dropped him from all formats, including the Shaheens team, in the process making him miss an entire season of first class cricket for development.

I do look to the future optimistically but I don’t think we’re doing a very good job at building towards it. So just curious why as an Indian you have more faith than many Pakistanis

They seem to me to the most talented Pakistani cricketers. I saw Zafar in 2015 and I've consistently rated him higher than the overrated Raza's and Asghar's etc. I'm sorry to hear that Shafique has been dropped. Touring with the shaheens on 'A' tours to Australia/NZ/England would have improved his game significantly and he's at the right age to learn too.

My stance is a bit nuanced. I don't think Naseem is 17 or that he is the next Marshall. I see plenty of potential in him but I suspect he's a bit more fragile than the management is letting on and he's already had back stress fractures. For instance, just look at the number of overs he has bowled compared to Shaheen in the tests they have played together. His workload has been a fair bit lighter considering they are, in reality, about the same age. I like the 6 team domestic system that Pakistan has implemented. Assuming the best 90 players in the country are in the squads - this would ensure that your FC is competitive and with flat wickets and the kookaburra being used that should produce a good number of Test match-ready cricketers to be called on when necessary. The A tours help with that as well.

I feel the fake ages of players need to be corrected ASAP though. It creates unnecessary issues while trying to gauge potential. So you have a great pool of natural talent coming through and you have a structure in place that is best designed to develop that talent. Its bound to be better than the past. Why wouldn't you be hopeful ?

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

If you heard the commies today in the pak-kiwi game they were talking about finding a replacement for Wagner for the second test. they talked about their A team and mentioned that 60-70% of that team is usually reserves and 3-4 players that you think will make it in international cricket so you test them out. So no its not supposed to be a fully development team, a mixture of the two which we do have. We have just lost our way a bit in T20. Which is fine by me its pajama cricket.

There's a huge difference between NZ and us, in that NZ need replacements for a settled side whilst we need strong competition for half the t20 first xi side, which the domestic level currently is not providing. Thus Shaheens games are great opportunities for untried youngsters to play a higher level of cricket without the pressure of the glare of the spotlight. Thus, even these games that you derogatively label as 'pyjama cricket' can be an avenue to test a young player's level and raise their confidence. Last time I checked, t20s were a relevant format, and mismanaging these playing opportunities is a waste. We all know what Ifti can do. So playing him for the Shaheens is pointless. Abdullah, by getting a 50 in these games, can atleast start to rebuild that confidence back.

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

They seem to me to the most talented Pakistani cricketers. I saw Zafar in 2015 and I've consistently rated him higher than the overrated Raza's and Asghar's etc. I'm sorry to hear that Shafique has been dropped. Touring with the shaheens on 'A' tours to Australia/NZ/England would have improved his game significantly and he's at the right age to learn too.

My stance is a bit nuanced. I don't think Naseem is 17 or that he is the next Marshall. I see plenty of potential in him but I suspect he's a bit more fragile than the management is letting on and he's already had back stress fractures. For instance, just look at the number of overs he has bowled compared to Shaheen in the tests they have played together. His workload has been a fair bit lighter considering they are, in reality, about the same age. I like the 6 team domestic system that Pakistan has implemented. Assuming the best 90 players in the country are in the squads - this would ensure that your FC is competitive and with flat wickets and the kookaburra being used that should produce a good number of Test match-ready cricketers to be called on when necessary. The A tours help with that as well.

I feel the fake ages of players need to be corrected ASAP though. It creates unnecessary issues while trying to gauge potential. So you have a great pool of natural talent coming through and you have a structure in place that is best designed to develop that talent. Its bound to be better than the past. Why wouldn't you be hopeful ?

It's always good to get an outsider perspective on our state of play. Thanks for that [MENTION=113824]Nikhil_cric[/MENTION]

Also, congrats to your boys on that very impressive win in Australia

 

[Space Cat]

Wow. Wellington wasn't playing any of their top 3 seamers ether.

 

[Saj]

Horror show from Pakistan's 2nd string.

Should have let our boys bat twice.

 

[cric_4life]

it was quite windy and shaheens seems uninterested. Spoke to hasnain asked him to pitch it up.

 

[hitthestump]

But i thought these pacers were the same ones who would tear it up in IPL if given the chance? Hmmmmm

 

[hitthestump]

+We(a "minnow" team) just made it to the 5th day of a test match in NewZealand.

Lol this is what we distribute mithai over these days? What a time to be a Pakistan fan.

 

[Saj]

it was quite windy and shaheens seems uninterested. Spoke to hasnain asked him to pitch it up.

Uninterested. These are supposed to be the guys who are in line for international call-ups. The next batch of international cricketers. They should be desperate to perform at every opportunity.

 

[JaDed]

it was quite windy and shaheens seems uninterested. Spoke to hasnain asked him to pitch it up.

huh? What

 

[in_cutter]

Where is the hype brigade now.

A humiliating tour for Pakistan Cricket.

 

[Mamoon]

Lol this is what we distribute mithai over these days? What a time to be a Pakistan fan.

Pretty soon, our fans will take pride in getting invited to play Tests in Australia, England and New Zealand because minnows like Afghanistan and Zimbabwe don’t play Tests in these countries.

 

[mazkhan]

The problem with our cricket goes to the domestic level we have poor coaches who have no accredited qualifications like the coaches in ecb , ca , csa go through and get their various level badges right from junior to pro level .
Alongside proper physios and data analysts no such thing exists of a professional level in domestics.
This feeds up to national level team I remember once when junaid khan went to the opposition bowling coach allan donald to get tips on how to bowl he was chatting to him live on the screens, this was bayzti for waqar younis who was head coach .

Yet again again waqar is in the national setup when he is a totally unqualified professional coach.

Along with rubbish standard of pitches countries like Australia new Zealand even england are all investing in drop in pitches , basically a pitch that is grown indoors in a greenhouse and dropped in place when needed in a stadium ,

We need these pitches in domestic cricket why because they can be manipulated to produce the hard fast wickets with bounce which will end up letting us produce players who can bat and ball on these pitches instead of the natural low slow wickets in karachi lahore etc and giving us these batsmen with massive technique flaws and the domestic bowling dominated by pot bellied middleaged uncle spinners like nauman ali sajid Khan, zahid mamood .

 

[Hasan123]

91 all out. What happened here? Man these posters who hype our young talent have blood on their hands.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

91 all out. What happened here? Man these posters who hype our young talent have blood on their hands.

It’s a T20, it happens. Since when have we begun measuring potential of youngsters via T20 games? The “posters who hype our young talent who have blood on their hands” were the first to say there needs to be more four day games on this tour, we said this when the schedule was announced over a month ago. Primarily because an outcome like this was very much expected.

They’re young, have no idea how to build an innings, and they’re pretty much all T20 dashers except Rohail. No need to join the gloom brigade when youngsters like Haider who have clear natural ability are making atrocious mistakes like premeditating - that’s down to the coach for not rectifying it. The fact that you’re quick to criticize a bunch of 20 year olds is worrying.

 

[Hasan123]

It’s a T20, it happens. Since when have we begun measuring potential of youngsters via T20 games? The “posters who hype our young talent who have blood on their hands” were the first to say there needs to be more four day games on this tour, we said this when the schedule was announced over a month ago. Primarily because an outcome like this was very much expected.

They’re young, have no idea how to build an innings, and they’re pretty much all T20 dashers except Rohail. No need to join the gloom brigade when youngsters like Haider who have clear natural ability are making atrocious mistakes like premeditating - that’s down to the coach for not rectifying it. The fact that you’re quick to criticize a bunch of 20 year olds is worrying.

The thing I don't hype or even say the young players are rubbish. I hardly comment on those talent spotter threads because I would rather see them play myself or wait until they play regular domestic cricket.

T20 is not the way to develop players. But getting out for 91 against potential future opponents for some of these guys is worrying.

I didn't criticise any young player. Where in my post did I say any of these players is rubbish?

 

[Muhammad Saad]

I haven't seen a single ball being bowled in this tour live and infact I haven't seen any highlights or videos either , This has happened for the first time in my life that Pak team is playing cricket and I am not bothered to follow them , Next task is to stop following the live scoreboards and result of the match as well and all my depression and heartburn will go away , Inshallah.

 

[Indian_cricket_fan]

Can anyone say why Abdullah Shafique is not playing the shaheen games? Another Fawad Alam in making. Just curious