Were the Pakistani players right in revolting against Younis Khan's captaincy in 2009?

[AlphaFighter]

This is a question that has been on my mind for a while and a question i have been dying to ask over here. I believe there has been a very strong sentiment at the time and at that period of time Younis Khan enjoyed a very selfless, patriotic, role model image and that how he was a victim of a conspiracy by the players who were playing politics and groupism in the dressing room.

But in the last few years we have seen the reality of how self-less Younis Khan is with his stubborn refusal to leave ODI Cricket knowing he was never good enough in the format, black mailing the selectors into selecting him for the 2015 WC squad (a decision which played a vital role in our exit from the 2015 WC), a failure to honestly admit the fact he was never good enough in the format and his continous attacks on the PCB, Captains and team management's via the media.

At the time of the revolt in 2009, the players alleged that Younis Khan was an egoistic, rude individual who liked to take credit for all the good things, the victories but was the first one to pass on the blame to others for defeats. I believe the team manager's on one of the tour's even stated that Younis Khan did not have the patience, man management skills required to deal with diverse individuals and tempraments in the team and his stubborn, arrogant approach was causing considerable discord in the team.

But most fans felt that he was wronged but i thought we should actually re-visit this now and think long at hard given that Younis Khan has shown his true colours as well with his antics in the last few years. So can we say the players were right in 2009 to revolt against his captaincy?

 

[Arham_PakFan]

Younus is seen as an individual who isn't afraid to give anyone a piece of his mind.I suspect not too many players were fans of that approach.

 

[Junaids]

Younis is a lot like Waqar Younis - an extremely hard trainer who expects his players to give the same 100% that he does.

That alienated his team-mates, who were too busy fixing all over the place to give their game the energy it required. This should be considered almost indisputable - just look at these two absurd scorecards:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/403367.html

http://www.espncricinfo.com/slvpak2009/engine/match/403368.html

In the second Test, the suspicious thing actually wasn't managing to get dismissed for 90 all out by Sri Lanka in the first innings. It was reaching 285-1 in the second innings - a lead of 135 - and then losing the last 9 wickets for 35 once Younis was dismissed.

And it was into this horrible environment that Mohammad Amir entered international cricket. His team-mates at best were not trying and at worst were trying to lose.

And the fish rotted from the top. The head of the PCB was the legendary Ijaz Butt, who needed to take control, make the players realise that they could not pick and choose their skipper, and give Younis a vote of confidence.

But instead he threw him overboard and Pakistan lost Test series in Australia and then England that they arguably would not have lost if first Younis and then Yousuf had not been excluded from the non-existent batting order.

 

[Pete Rose]

The players might or might not be right , but part of the captain's job is to find a way. Javed was always thought to be better tactician than Imran but his people skills were (and continue to be abyssmal). The despicable-ness , the players does not excuse them, but leadership requires the ability to carry ppl along.

 

[Asadullah]

Younis is a lot like Waqar Younis - an extremely hard trainer who expects his players to give the same 100% that he does.

That alienated his team-mates, who were too busy fixing all over the place to give their game the energy it required. This should be considered almost indisputable - just look at these two absurd scorecards:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/403367.html

http://www.espncricinfo.com/slvpak2009/engine/match/403368.html

In the second Test, the suspicious thing actually wasn't managing to get dismissed for 90 all out by Sri Lanka in the first innings. It was reaching 285-1 in the second innings - a lead of 135 - and then losing the last 9 wickets for 35 once Younis was dismissed.

And it was into this horrible environment that Mohammad Amir entered international cricket. His team-mates at best were not trying and at worst were trying to lose.

And the fish rotted from the top. The head of the PCB was the legendary Ijaz Butt, who needed to take control, make the players realise that they could not pick and choose their skipper, and give Younis a vote of confidence.

But instead he threw him overboard and Pakistan lost Test series in Australia and then England that they arguably would not have lost if first Younis and then Yousuf had not been excluded from the non-existent batting order.

I like your analysis, except that don't think more than one, or two players were involved in fixing in those matches, if any.

Players in general don't like autocratic leader.

 

[Asadullah]

They weren't, in the long run. It led to the massive decline in Pakistan cricket we find ourselves in, another revolt against Yousuf followed, then banning of top batsmen and Rana Naveed, too much authority handed over to immature Salman Butt - and we lost our top two world-class bowlers for a good 5-6 years as a result.

As Junaids, PCB should have been man enough and banished all the revolts within the team with a fines, etc.

 

[Big Mac]

Younus doesn't have what it takes to be an international captain but that doesn't mean the players weren't wrong in starting a mutiny. Air your grievances via the proper channels, none of this cloak and dagger BS.

 

[Statsman]

Younis is a lot like Waqar Younis - an extremely hard trainer who expects his players to give the same 100% that he does.

That alienated his team-mates, who were too busy fixing all over the place to give their game the energy it required. This should be considered almost indisputable - just look at these two absurd scorecards:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/current/match/403367.html

http://www.espncricinfo.com/slvpak2009/engine/match/403368.html

In the second Test, the suspicious thing actually wasn't managing to get dismissed for 90 all out by Sri Lanka in the first innings. It was reaching 285-1 in the second innings - a lead of 135 - and then losing the last 9 wickets for 35 once Younis was dismissed.

And it was into this horrible environment that Mohammad Amir entered international cricket. His team-mates at best were not trying and at worst were trying to lose.

And the fish rotted from the top. The head of the PCB was the legendary Ijaz Butt, who needed to take control, make the players realise that they could not pick and choose their skipper, and give Younis a vote of confidence.

But instead he threw him overboard and Pakistan lost Test series in Australia and then England that they arguably would not have lost if first Younis and then Yousuf had not been excluded from the non-existent batting order.

You were the one who said that YK doesn't have technique to survive in England...how would he have averted a loss?

 

[Junaids]

You were the one who said that YK doesn't have technique to survive in England...how would he have averted a loss?

Younis Khan is, according to Osman Samiuddin, 40 years old now.

I think that the younger Younis - he was 35 then - would have been fine. The problem he has is that he has always been a little bit jumpy at the crease, and his supreme fitness levels cannot make up for the fact that his eye is not as quick as it was and neither are his reflexes.

So now the geriatric Younis hops around like a rabbit on cocaine when quick bowlers come into the attack.

Remember these two things:

1. In Australia in 2009-10, Pakistan - without the banned Younis Khan - was about to level the series at 1-1 when according to the confession of Mazhar Majeed he fixed the game for them to lose.

2. In England, in 2010, Pakistan played 6 Tests, winning 2 and losing 4. And the losses were due to wafer-thin batting without Younis and Yousuf failing repeatedly. If the best batsmen had played, I suspect that Pakistan would have won more than 2 of the 6 Tests.

 

[AlphaFighter]

So we can all agree that Younis was an incapable captain. He just might be appointed captain of the test team when Misbah retires

 

[miandadrules]

So we can all agree that Younis was an incapable captain. He just might be appointed captain of the test team when Misbah retires

Savak, I thought you said everyone needs to moves on, especially after five years, yet you are still dwelling on something from six years ago?

Also, I thought you were all for second chances?

Must be an oversight on your part as I am certain an upstanding individual like yourself would never be so hypocritical.

 

[AlphaFighter]

Savak, I thought you said everyone needs to moves on, especially after five years, yet you are still dwelling on something from six years ago?

Also, I thought you were all for second chances?

Must be an oversight on your part as I am certain an upstanding individual like yourself would never be so hypocritical.

The spot fixing scandal took place in 2010. Younis Khan's antics are as recent as this year. Try again.

 

[miandadrules]

The spot fixing scandal took place in 2010. Younis Khan's antics are as recent as this year. Try again.

Savak,

He was removed from the captaincy and banned in 2009, after which he accepted his guilt and repented if reports are to be believed. Sound familiar? You are also retrospectively attributing behavioural traits to him and suggesting a leopard won't change his spots and hence shouldn't be given a second chance.

Don't you feel your statement would have greater credibility if the there was consistency in your statements?

 

[AlphaFighter]

Savak,

He was removed from the captaincy and banned in 2009, after which he accepted his guilt and repented if reports are to be believed. Sound familiar? You are also retrospectively attributing behavioural traits to him and suggesting a leopard won't change his spots and hence shouldn't be given a second chance.

Don't you feel your statement would have greater credibility if the there was consistency in your statements?

So his outbursts against the pcb for not selecting him in odis, blackmailing the pcb that he will retire from test matches if not selected in odis, taking swipes at the captain, coach and pcb officials in media interviews?

Are these the actions and deeds of a man who has repented? Are these the actions of a man who is admitting he made mistakes and that he has learnt from them?

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[miandadrules]

So his outbursts against the pcb for not selecting him in odis, blackmailing the pcb that he will retire from test matches if not selected in odis, taking swipes at the captain, coach and pcb officials in media interviews?

Are these the actions and deeds of a man who has repented? Are these the actions of a man who is admitting he made mistakes and that he has learnt from them?

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Savak,

Oh so now he has to prove to you that he has repented to you? Does he have to do it in the same manner you have asked of Amir?

So he has to publicly admit his mistakes, like you have insisted Amir must?

Once again, how can your attribute his actions in 2015 to those in 2009? Are you say people can't change?

Also, can you provide some proof of your statement that he took credit for wins and blamed others for defeats?

 

[AlphaFighter]

Savak,

Oh so now he has to prove to you that he has repented to you? Does he have to do it in the same manner you have asked of Amir?

So he has to publicly admit his mistakes, like you have insisted Amir must?

Once again, how can your attribute his actions in 2015 to those in 2009? Are you say people can't change?

Also, can you provide some proof of your statement that he took credit for wins and blamed others for defeats?

I answered your question as to whether he has changed for the better or not since 2009 with reasonable proof of his recent actions.

The proof is in the simple act that he blamed his team mates for conspiring against him whenever the team lost but always had that typical smiling team man face when the team won. You should go back to that thread which the mods created on the complaints that his team mates had against him as captain.

 

[miandadrules]

I answered your question as to whether he has changed for the better or not since 2009 with reasonable proof of his recent actions.

The proof is in the simple act that he blamed his team mates for conspiring against him whenever the team lost but always had that typical smiling team man face when the team won. You should go back to that thread which the mods created on the complaints that his team mates had against him as captain.

No Savak, you assuming that he is behaving the same way in 2009 as he did in 2015. There is a big difference.

Once again please provide proof of your statement. I'm not asking for much.

The thread your alluding to contained allegations from the Majeed family, am I right?

Forgive me for no taking your word as gospel Savak, so please humour me and substantiate your claims.

 

[AlphaFighter]

No Savak, you assuming that he is behaving the same way in 2009 as he did in 2015. There is a big difference.

Once again please provide proof of your statement. I'm not asking for much.

The thread your alluding to contained allegations from the Majeed family, am I right?

Forgive me for no taking your word as gospel Savak, so please humour me and substantiate your claims.

There is no assumption, for a man with a saintly, team man, self less image from 2009, his conduct in 2014-15 invites scrutiny and re-examination and even invites the debate as to whether the players back then were correct in their reasons to revolt against Yk.

The thread your alluding to contained allegations from the Majeed family, am I right?

Forgive me for no taking your word as gospel Savak, so please humour me and substantiate your claims

Perhaps, i am not sure but i am sure the mods wouldn't have posted it if it was not reliable.

 

[Fallen King]

Despite of retarded rotation policy of Younus Khan as captain, still NO.

Pakistani players not only betrayed Younus Khan, but also Pakistan as whole. But Karma is the b!tch. Younus Khan paid the heavy price due to his greed for captaincy which made him look the other way while the group heavily undermined the captaincy of Shoaib Malik. Later, that group came back to taunt Younus Khan at the end.

Lucky for Younus Khan that Shoaib Malik was there as whistle-blower which oath-taking report became public through Aqib Javed by the testimony of Shoaib Malik, otherwise oath-taking episode wouldn't have come into the surface.

Had Younus Khan chose not to remain silence due to beneficiary behind the ouster of Shoaib Malik as captain, Younus Khan wouldn't be captain, that is for sure, but at least, he would have been spared of humiliation. Quite frankly, he deserved every bits of humiliation with u-turn decision after ODI WC 2007 and then made similar u-turn on 2009. Even today, he still maintain u-turn stances, never mind being being huge burden on Pakistan team since his debut.

 

[miandadrules]

Despite of retarded rotation policy of Younus Khan as captain, still NO.

Pakistani players not only betrayed Younus Khan, but also Pakistan as whole. But Karma is the b!tch. Younus Khan paid the heavy price due to his greed for captaincy which made him look the other way while the group heavily undermined the captaincy of Shoaib Malik. Later, that group came back to taunt Younus Khan at the end.

Lucky for Younus Khan that Shoaib Malik was there as whistle-blower which oath-taking report became public through Aqib Javed by the testimony of Shoaib Malik, otherwise oath-taking episode wouldn't have come into the surface.

Had Younus Khan chose not to remain silence due to beneficiary behind the ouster of Shoaib Malik as captain, Younus Khan wouldn't be captain, that is for sure, but at least, he would have been spared of humiliation. Quite frankly, he deserved every bits of humiliation with u-turn decision after ODI WC 2007 and then made similar u-turn on 2009. Even today, he still maintain u-turn stances, never mind being being huge burden on Pakistan team since his debut.

Please provide proof that Shoaib Malik was the whistle-blower rather than active participant.

You have been peddling this story for a long time yet always fail to substantiate it.

 

[AlphaFighter]

Despite of retarded rotation policy of Younus Khan as captain, still NO.

Pakistani players not only betrayed Younus Khan, but also Pakistan as whole. But Karma is the b!tch. Younus Khan paid the heavy price due to his greed for captaincy which made him look the other way while the group heavily undermined the captaincy of Shoaib Malik. Later, that group came back to taunt Younus Khan at the end.

Lucky for Younus Khan that Shoaib Malik was there as whistle-blower which oath-taking report became public through Aqib Javed by the testimony of Shoaib Malik, otherwise oath-taking episode wouldn't have come into the surface.

Had Younus Khan chose not to remain silence due to beneficiary behind the ouster of Shoaib Malik as captain, Younus Khan wouldn't be captain, that is for sure, but at least, he would have been spared of humiliation. Quite frankly, he deserved every bits of humiliation with u-turn decision after ODI WC 2007 and then made similar u-turn on 2009. Even today, he still maintain u-turn stances, never mind being being huge burden on Pakistan team since his debut.

So you are saying that Younis Khan rightfully paid the price for standing sticking by Shoaib Malik?

 

[zabalestmsm]

Well a domestic player had told me way back in 2009 after the T20I WC that YK was a rude guy. And had said that the players aren't happy with him. When i asked who will be the ideal choice his reply was Misbah. According to him, he could carry the players along and was well respected.

And amazingly Misbah took over out of nowhere in 2010 then. Wow.

And surprisingly/shockingly such revolt reportedly occurred then.

Personally i think it shouldn't have happened as reported. There could have been some other solution to it. Or some other way of handling.

 

[Fallen King]

So you are saying that Younis Khan rightfully paid the price for standing sticking by Shoaib Malik?

I am not sure what that is supposed to mean. But Younus Khan should have informed the captain and PCB when the group was undermining the captaincy of Malik. Instead Younus Khan chose to remain silent which made it obvious that Malik's ouster could allow Younus to takeover the captaincy.

That tool [group] used against Shoaib Malik for the benefit of Younus Khan ended up hurting Younus Khan in the long run. Unlike Younus Khan, Shoaib Malik did expose oath-gate to public through Aqib Javed. That's why Yousuf went berserk against Shoaib Malik. The rest is history.

 

[miandadrules]

I am not sure what that is supposed to mean. But Younus Khan should have informed the captain and PCB when the group was undermining the captaincy of Malik. Instead Younus Khan chose to remain silent which made it obvious that Malik's ouster could allow Younus to takeover the captaincy.

That tool [group] used against Shoaib Malik for the benefit of Younus Khan ended up hurting Younus Khan in the long run. Unlike Younus Khan, Shoaib Malik did expose oath-gate to public through Aqib Javed. That's why Yousuf went berserk against Shoaib Malik. The rest is history.

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Is that proof of whistle-blowing?

Because that same enquiry found Malik to be one of the main ring leaders.

But you keep peddling this myth, maybe someone will believe you one day.

You normally need to provide a link to your source, which you may have forgotten.

 

[AlphaFighter]

I am not sure what that is supposed to mean. But Younus Khan should have informed the captain and PCB when the group was undermining the captaincy of Malik. Instead Younus Khan chose to remain silent which made it obvious that Malik's ouster could allow Younus to takeover the captaincy.

That tool [group] used against Shoaib Malik for the benefit of Younus Khan ended up hurting Younus Khan in the long run. Unlike Younus Khan, Shoaib Malik did expose oath-gate to public through Aqib Javed. That's why Yousuf went berserk against Shoaib Malik. The rest is history.

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Fallen King, Careful now. Are you saying that Misbah ul Haq was also involved in this plot to revolt against Younis Khan? How dare you say that about the most honorable Pakistani Cricketer in history.

 

[Fallen King]

I wanted people to reflect and consider things from the point of view of the players who revolted against Younis Khan for a change.

Fair enough. That make sense since people are now realizing the truth about Younus Khan due to his behaviors recently citing blackmail.

 

[ShahidNaziir]

we know who is responsible for those incidents. even a blind bat would know !

Younis Khan is, according to Osman Samiuddin, 40 years old now.

I think that the younger Younis - he was 35 then - would have been fine. The problem he has is that he has always been a little bit jumpy at the crease, and his supreme fitness levels cannot make up for the fact that his eye is not as quick as it was and neither are his reflexes.

So now the geriatric Younis hops around like a rabbit on cocaine when quick bowlers come into the attack.

Remember these two things:

1. In Australia in 2009-10, Pakistan - without the banned Younis Khan - was about to level the series at 1-1 when according to the confession of Mazhar Majeed he fixed the game for them to lose.

2. In England, in 2010, Pakistan played 6 Tests, winning 2 and losing 4. And the losses were due to wafer-thin batting without Younis and Yousuf failing repeatedly. If the best batsmen had played, I suspect that Pakistan would have won more than 2 of the 6 Tests.

 

[AlphaFighter]

So just to clarify, was Misbah ul Haq involved in the revolt against Younis Khan in 2009?

 

[Belawal2014]

So just to clarify, was Misbah ul Haq involved in the revolt against Younis Khan in 2009?

You still haven't clarified if you're Savak or not.

 

[AlphaFighter]

You still haven't clarified if you're Savak or not.

The above question is more important than the later

 

[Belawal2014]

The above question is more important than the later

Uh not really. Six years later, why should it matter if he was involved or not? Whether you're Savak or not would go a long way in determining you're agenda and the point you're trying to prove here.

 

[AlphaFighter]

Uh not really. Six years later, why should it matter if he was involved or not? Whether you're Savak or not would go a long way in determining you're agenda and the point you're trying to prove here.

Lol I am pretty sure it would matter is the individual Afridi was in question but since it is misbah ul haq, it is conveniently all in the past and no longer relevant.

Once again I want a clarification, was misbah ul haq involved in the revolt against Younis Khan or not?

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[Belawal2014]

Lol I am pretty sure it would matter is the individual Afridi was in question but since it is misbah ul haq, it is conveniently all in the past and no longer relevant.

Once again I want a clarification, was misbah ul haq involved in the revolt against Younis Khan or not?

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Once again, will you clarify if you're Savak or not?

 

[AlphaFighter]

Once again, will you clarify if you're Savak or not?

What does that have to do with the question that was Misbah ul Haq part of the group of players who revolted against Yk captaincy in 2009? According to Fallen Kings source the group of players who took part in the oath against Yk at Inzi's house included Misbah. I just want this bit to be clarified against everyone's beloved these days Misbah ul Haq.

 

[MRSN]

What does that have to do with the question that was Misbah ul Haq part of the group of players who revolted against Yk captaincy in 2009? According to Fallen Kings source the group of players who took part in the oath against Yk at Inzi's house included Misbah. I just want this bit to be clarified against everyone's beloved these days Misbah ul Haq.

Misbah ul haq was indeed part of the players who not only revolted against YK but also underperformed to sack Malik as a captain so he is no saint people make him out to be.

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[miandadrules]

Once again, will you clarify if you're Savak or not?

Of course it's Savak.

He has tried to refine his posting style but the ignorance of his views shines through. If you filter his waffle, you find Savak at it's core.

I guess he is trying a new tact to project his parochial views.

Better luck next time.

 

[miandadrules]

What does that have to do with the question that was Misbah ul Haq part of the group of players who revolted against Yk captaincy in 2009? According to Fallen Kings source the group of players who took part in the oath against Yk at Inzi's house included Misbah. I just want this bit to be clarified against everyone's beloved these days Misbah ul Haq.

Savak,

What is his source?

How come at times you insist on keeping to the thread subject, whilst at other times you seem completely oblivious to it?

 

[aukhan]

No they weren't. That team had too many trouble makers with vested interest. Those who took oath on Holy Quran and under performed were not only traitors but that act truly exposed their neech mentality.

If YK was as greedy for captaincy as some here are making it out to be then Misbah would have had never survived as Test Captain. He was offered one day captaincy in 2011 as well.

 

[Fallen King]

What does that have to do with the question that was Misbah ul Haq part of the group of players who revolted against Yk captaincy in 2009? According to Fallen Kings source the group of players who took part in the oath against Yk at Inzi's house included Misbah. I just want this bit to be clarified against everyone's beloved these days Misbah ul Haq.

Not only Misbah, even Ajmal was involved too. There was rumored about Afridi too. The half team was banned for up to a year or two. That was the worst year of Pakistan cricket.

Good thing Inzimam didn't select Misbah during his captaincy which proved his captaincy experienced smooth sailing.

Misbah ul haq was indeed part of the players who not only revolted against YK but also underperformed to sack Malik as a captain so he is no saint people make him out to be.

In Pakistan cricket, no one is saint here, not even Saeed Ajmal. If you read Qayyum report, former respected cricketers were not saint either.

 

[Fallen King]

No they weren't. That team had too many trouble makers with vested interest. Those who took oath on Holy Quran and under performed were not only traitors but that act truly exposed their neech mentality.

If YK was as greedy for captaincy as some here are making it out to be then Misbah would have had never survived as Test Captain. He was offered one day captaincy in 2011 as well.

After oath-taking, Younus fell into the trap due to his ego while Afridi was already appointed as captain. Younus was stubborn which kept himself away from the favor of the PCB chairman. Eventually, he ended up apologizing to PCB after England tour, 2010 which he wasn't considered for the whole tour. Then he was given strict warning due to his history in 2009. After that, he had no choice but to keep his mouth shut and play for the keep.

Few years later, he showed his true color again and repeatedly within few months and now. Greedy is just tip of the iceberg.

 

[AlphaFighter]

Misbah ul haq was indeed part of the players who not only revolted against YK but also underperformed to sack Malik as a captain so he is no saint people make him out to be.

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Point to be noted everyone

 

[AlphaFighter]

Savak,

What is his source?

How come at times you insist on keeping to the thread subject, whilst at other times you seem completely oblivious to it?

Ask him, but i don't blame people for not taking you serious enough to even consider proving anything to you.

 

[AlphaFighter]

Not only Misbah, even Ajmal was involved too. There was rumored about Afridi too. The half team was banned for up to a year or two. That was the worst year of Pakistan cricket.

Good thing Inzimam didn't select Misbah during his captaincy which proved his captaincy experienced smooth sailing.



In Pakistan cricket, no one is saint here, not even Saeed Ajmal. If you read Qayyum report, former respected cricketers were not saint either.

So fallen king, so you agree with Inzi's decision to keep Misbah out of the team for the greater good.

 

[AlphaFighter]

After oath-taking, Younus fell into the trap due to his ego while Afridi was already appointed as captain. Younus was stubborn which kept himself away from the favor of the PCB chairman. Eventually, he ended up apologizing to PCB after England tour, 2010 which he wasn't considered for the whole tour. Then he was given strict warning due to his history in 2009. After that, he had no choice but to keep his mouth shut and play for the keep.

Few years later, he showed his true color again and repeatedly within few months and now. Greedy is just tip of the iceberg.

So these things are proving that the players were right to revolt against Younis Khan. But i repeat for clarity, was Misbah ul Haq involved in the revolts against Shoaib Malik and Younis Khan's respective captaincy? Which honorable, educated, mature person indulges in such acts?

 

[Haroon786]

So just to clarify, was Misbah ul Haq involved in the revolt against Younis Khan in 2009?

Just because you have been more passive-aggressive now on Misbah than in previous incarnations, doesn't mean that you can hide your true colours.

 

[AlphaFighter]

Just because you have been more passive-aggressive on Misbah doesn't mean that you can hide your true colours.

What does this have to do with my colors? I was not involved in these revolts against Shoaib Malik and Younis Khan personally, i am just asking the right questions for clarify i.e. Was Misbah ul Haq involved in the revolt against Shoaib Malik and Younis Khan's captaincy and did he also go to Inzi's house to take an Oath on the Holy Quran? Are these the acts of a mature, dignified, educated, humble, responsible MBA?

 

[Haroon786]

What does this have to do with my colors? I was not involved in these revolts against Shoaib Malik and Younis Khan personally, i am just asking the right questions for clarify i.e. Was Misbah ul Haq involved in the revolt against Shoaib Malik and Younis Khan's captaincy and did he also go to Inzi's house to take an Oath on the Holy Quran? Are these the acts of a mature, dignified, educated, humble, responsible MBA?

The point of the thread is not to establish the who, what and where of what happened in the 2009 fiasco, but rather to desecrate Misbah because he has publicly humiilated you, Savak in your junior days.

 

[Fallen King]

So fallen king, so you agree with Inzi's decision to keep Misbah out of the team for the greater good.

If you read past interview of Shahriyar Khan, he didn't have good words for Inzimam. Inzimam was accused of being biased towards Misbah. If that was the case, surely Inzimam must have strong reason why he did it.

So these things are proving that the players were right to revolt against Younis Khan. But i repeat for clarity, was Misbah ul Haq involved in the revolts against Shoaib Malik and Younis Khan's respective captaincy? Which honorable, educated, mature person indulges in such acts?

Yes, Misbah was documented being involved against Younus in oath-group led by Yousuf who replaced Younus Khan as captain. It is obvious why his supporters tried to avoid answering the question, and to the extent, they resorted to character assassination against me. It is understandable why they won't take this news very kindly.

The reason why Yousuf goes berserk against Misbah because Misbah doesn't repeat the similar favor like Yousuf did who brought Misbah back for Pakistan team and played him the whole Australia series. But Mohammad Yousuf was ignored when he needed similar favor, and to the extent, his history of undermining captaincy like Malik and Younus is the reason why Misbah was skeptical about Mohammad Yousuf. Like i said, Karma is b!tch.

 

[Fallen King]

The point of the thread is not to establish the who, what and where of what happened in the 2009 fiasco, but rather to desecrate Misbah because he has publicly humiilated you, Savak in your junior days.

His prior to the motive has been already established. Might as well play along.

 

[Haroon786]

His prior to the motive has been already established. Might as well play along.

I don't like meddling in BS.

 

[AlphaFighter]

The point of the thread is not to establish the who, what and where of what happened in the 2009 fiasco, but rather to desecrate Misbah because he has publicly humiilated you, Savak in your junior days.

Ofcourse, very typical tactic of where you cannot answer the question being asked, resort to character assasination and attacking the motives of the person asking a legitimate question.

 

[AlphaFighter]

If you read past interview of Shahriyar Khan, he didn't have good words for Inzimam. Inzimam was accused of being biased towards Misbah. If that was the case, surely Inzimam must have strong reason why he did it.



Yes, Misbah was documented being involved against Younus in oath-group led by Yousuf who replaced Younus Khan as captain. It is obvious why his supporters tried to avoid answering the question, and to the extent, they resorted to character assassination against me. It is understandable why they won't take this news very kindly.

The reason why Yousuf goes berserk against Misbah because Misbah doesn't repeat the similar favor like Yousuf did who brought Misbah back for Pakistan team and played him the whole Australia series. But Mohammad Yousuf was ignored when he needed similar favor, and to the extent, his history of undermining captaincy like Malik and Younus is the reason why Misbah was skeptical about Mohammad Yousuf. Like i said, Karma is b!tch.

Please explain this truth about Misbah ul Haq to everyone with rose tinted glasses about him.

 

[Fallen King]

Please explain this truth about Misbah ul Haq to everyone with rose tinted glasses about him.

I thought i just did. To be fair, everybody know that already. That's why everybody try to forget the past and move on. We should do the same. The reason i mentioned about the past because you asked. I was more interested on the case of Younus Khan because he is still the same due to his recent behaviors.

Misbah is educated man which cannot be denied, but apart from that, that leaves room for debate which will go on.

I don't like meddling in BS.

Fair enough. But his point is not BS especially in concerning the historical matter of undermining the captaincy at the expense of Pakistan cricket.

 

[Fallen King]

The point of the thread is not to establish the who, what and where of what happened in the 2009 fiasco, but rather to desecrate Misbah because he has publicly humiilated you, Savak in your junior days.

This reminds me of the similar post i made long ago, but in comical sense.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...was-a-zombie-apocalypse&p=7145359#post7145359

A car met truck in highway; however, a something blood-sucking creature came in form of zombie followed by thousands scattered in the highway caused highway-blocked which led a car accident. While a boy and his parents staring at the face of death breathing in their moments grasping the hands of heaven was halted. A new wave of storm came at the rapid pace in form of fighting falcon F 16 scattering all over the highway blew every bits of zombies to death, but a death was inevitable, starting at boy and his parents, rescued by a boy, Savak, who was there relieved to see zombies in ruin, while that was happening, he noticed someone is danger so close and he went. At the end, a brave boy became man. Thus, such a death had to wait for boy and his parents. It wasn't death day. That day belonged to a boy and his parents. His parents blessed a savak, boy turned into brave man, with happiness.

20 years later, Savak happiness came at huge price Pakistan team defeated Australia from brink of defeat in WC T20 2007. Sadness turned into happiness as the nation cheered and cheered and so did Savak, celebrated with firework dedicating to Misbah-ul-haq who gave a great gift, breaktaking six, a great six conquered the sky devouring one of Australian best bowler back then.

At the end of the match, Misbah gave interview in joyest mood and thanked his captain, his coach and his nation. Then, a silent kicked for a while until he collected himself recalling his past life. He remembers that day so vividly while gathering his strength to find voice to muster. That, he is trying to say something but couldn't.

The interview was finished, and Ramiz Raja sensed his sadness. Ramiz Raja asked, "What is wrong"? Misbah replied, "I am grateful to be alive". Then, Ramiz Raja replied, "So are we". Misbah continuing to be grateful, said that i am grateful to be alive, but hasn't found right person to thank yet.

Little did savak know that his happiness will turn into graveyard when he finds out five years later after Misbah gives so extensively interview recalling that incident, sharing every bits of details to the last.

Savak still struggles to acknowledge that a boy he saved in car accident, was Misbah. To this day, he still seeks a cure for his depression that is no longer to be found as long as Misbah gets to captain and bring business for the pharmetical company promoting tuk-tuk-tuk brand to provide temporarily relief, yet it is causing long-term headache pains with the sound like tick tick tick tuk tuk tuk.

A savak came to far far away land and still searching for cure. So is the nation. The nation is still waiting for six that can keep doctor away.

#Savak; I hope you are not offended. This is just comical post. I hope there is no harm done.

 

[AlphaFighter]

I thought i just did. To be fair, everybody know that already. That's why everybody try to forget the past and move on. We should do the same. The reason i mentioned about the past because you asked. I was more interested on the case of Younus Khan because he is still the same due to his recent behaviors. Misbah is educated man which cannot be denied, but apart from that, that leaves room for debate which will go on.

So here we have people going on and on about the Trio i.e. they should never be forgiven for what they did even though they went to jail, they were suspended for 5 long years, had no income for 5 long years, but Misbah ul Haq's act of revolting against 2 captains in Pakistan's history should be forgotten because it is in the past?

Double Standards much of the Misbah lobby?

 

[Fallen King]

So here we have people going on and on about the Trio i.e. they should never be forgiven for what they did even though they went to jail, they were suspended for 5 long years, had no income for 5 long years, but Misbah ul Haq's act of revolting against 2 captains in Pakistan's history should be forgotten because it is in the past?

Double Standards much of the Misbah lobby?

I agree with the double standard here. People tend to be very strict here. I agree with most of them not fond of trios coming back because of current status quo which most would like to preserve that way; on-going environment of spot fixing-free.

It did take Misbah more than five years to get the house back on order. It would be shame to see all the hard work for those years were to go in vain if the history is to repeat itself.

 

[pakistanigoneaussie]

There methods were wrong but I understand why it happened

 

[sunnykhan]

A big LOL to people diminishing YK's captaincy due to his antics for getting selected for ODIs in 2015. He was the most attacking captain between Afridi, Misbah and Younis Khan according to Umar Gul.

Players were absolutely wrong in revolting against him. Rana Naved even apologised to him and said we did wrong with him.

YK did not remained silent during Malik's ouster because he was greedy for captaincy. He himself refused captaincy after Inzi's retirement. Shoaib Malik came into the picture after his refusal. YK was already the VC of the team during Inzi's tenure and he refused captaincy because PCB wanted him to be a dummy captain whereas he wanted authority.

Fallen King, YK did not apologised, It was Ijaz Butt who wanted him apologise first. Pls read below as excerpt from The Nation:

Ijaz had insisted that Younis would have to first apologize for the remarks he and his lawyer made against the board during the hearing which the right-hander simply refused to do.

 

[Haroon786]

Ofcourse, very typical tactic of where you cannot answer the question being asked, resort to character assasination and attacking the motives of the person asking a legitimate question.

So you agree that Misbah has denigrated you in some form in the past ?

 

[miandadrules]

Ask him, but i don't blame people for not taking you serious enough to even consider proving anything to you.

Savak, that seems very convenient don't you think?

 

[Fallen King]

A big LOL to people diminishing YK's captaincy due to his antics for getting selected for ODIs in 2015. He was the most attacking captain between Afridi, Misbah and Younis Khan according to Umar Gul.

He was the most retarded captain in the history of Pakistan cricket. It is no wonder why his captaincy was short-lived.

Players were absolutely wrong in revolting against him. Rana Naved even apologised to him and said we did wrong with him.

Shoaib Malik exposed oath-gate group, and Rana Naveed apologized to him. Of course, the revolting against Younus Khan was absolutely wrong. I even mentioned about it.

What about revolting against Shoaib Malik under his captaincy? Where was whistle-blower? Where was apology for being silent spectator while having watching the group undermined the captaincy of Shoaib Malik? So it is one-way street now as long as it only benefits Younus Khan?

YK did not remained silent during Malik's ouster because he was greedy for captaincy. He himself refused captaincy after Inzi's retirement. Shoaib Malik came into the picture after his refusal. YK was already the VC of the team during Inzi's tenure and he refused captaincy because PCB wanted him to be a dummy captain whereas he wanted authority.

Younus Khan refused to become the captain. That's when PCB started grooming Shoaib Malik even though he was unprepared and hardly captain material back then.

Then why he changed his mind then, and watched the group undermined the captaincy of Shoaib Malik at the expense of Pakistan cricket where he was beneficiary of the Malik's ouster as captaincy. Never mind he was celebrating with Ijaz Butt after Malik agreed to be forced to resign from the captaincy despite of Pakistan losing home series.

Why did he change his mind then? Why decided to betray him 2 years later? Become silent spectator while the group undermining the captaincy of Shoaib Malik is direct voluntarily to support that happen, and ironically, he did benefit the ouster of Shoaib Malik's captaincy.

Fallen King, YK did not apologised, It was Ijaz Butt who wanted him apologise first. Pls read below as excerpt from The Nation:

Ijaz had insisted that Younis would have to first apologize for the remarks he and his lawyer made against the board during the hearing which the right-hander simply refused to do.

Except he did apologize to Ijaz Butt after he was overlooked for the whole Test series in England. The only way he could come back is to apologize to Ijaz Butt and get selected afterward with the strict warning intact due to his history with former captains. At the end, he apologized sacrificing his self-respect down the drain. Otherwise, he wouldn't be considered for the series against South Africa in UAE and cost ODI WC 2011 big time.

 

[miandadrules]

Ofcourse, very typical tactic of where you cannot answer the question being asked, resort to character assasination and attacking the motives of the person asking a legitimate question.

Ironic!

 

[Cricketrenew]

In 2009 he should have been kept, I remember in the last ODI the ninth wicket partnership made a big partnership 80 or so runs, they lost with 7 runs left........................

Till this day something felt wrong with that match, the closer the 9th wicket partnership got to winning the more upset and miserable the players on the bench looked, some looked like they were crying......

Remember Afridi resigned captaincy in England in 2010 after one test match...I think, looked what happened next.

Now Younis retired after one ODI.......why would you retire after one ODI in a series...............

 

[AlphaFighter]

In 2009 he should have been kept, I remember in the last ODI the ninth wicket partnership made a big partnership 80 or so runs, they lost with 7 runs left........................

Till this day something felt wrong with that match, the closer the 9th wicket partnership got to winning the more upset and miserable the players on the bench looked, some looked like they were crying......

Remember Afridi resigned captaincy in England in 2010 after one test match...I think, looked what happened next.

Now Younis retired after one ODI.......why would you retire after one ODI in a series...............

Apparently the coach Waqar was very upset with his selection while Younis was desperately looking for that one ODI to retire on his own.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Like Woolmer once said: Pakistanis dont like hard task masters. So if you get on their ass they start revolting against you.

This is what happened to YK and also the reason why seniors preferred chill captains like Afridi, Misbah who love to do beta beta


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[AlphaFighter]

Like Woolmer once said: Pakistanis dont like hard task masters. So if you get on their ass they start revolting against you.

This is what happened to YK and also the reason why seniors preferred chill captains like Afridi, Misbah who love to do beta beta


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Afridi is not the beta beta type captain, he really gives it to you when he is mad.

 

[Prince of Pakistan]

Afridi is not the beta beta type captain, he really gives it to you when he is mad.

Ask Shezzy or U. akmal


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[sunnykhan]

He was the most retarded captain in the history of Pakistan cricket. It is no wonder why his captaincy was short-lived.



Shoaib Malik exposed oath-gate group, and Rana Naveed apologized to him. Of course, the revolting against Younus Khan was absolutely wrong. I even mentioned about it.

What about revolting against Shoaib Malik under his captaincy? Where was whistle-blower? Where was apology for being silent spectator while having watching the group undermined the captaincy of Shoaib Malik? So it is one-way street now as long as it only benefits Younus Khan?



Younus Khan refused to become the captain. That's when PCB started grooming Shoaib Malik even though he was unprepared and hardly captain material back then.

Then why he changed his mind then, and watched the group undermined the captaincy of Shoaib Malik at the expense of Pakistan cricket where he was beneficiary of the Malik's ouster as captaincy. Never mind he was celebrating with Ijaz Butt after Malik agreed to be forced to resign from the captaincy despite of Pakistan losing home series.

Why did he change his mind then? Why decided to betray him 2 years later? Become silent spectator while the group undermining the captaincy of Shoaib Malik is direct voluntarily to support that happen, and ironically, he did benefit the ouster of Shoaib Malik's captaincy.



Except he did apologize to Ijaz Butt after he was overlooked for the whole Test series in England. The only way he could come back is to apologize to Ijaz Butt and get selected afterward with the strict warning intact due to his history with former captains. At the end, he apologized sacrificing his self-respect down the drain. Otherwise, he wouldn't be considered for the series against South Africa in UAE and cost ODI WC 2011 big time.

Retarded captain is just your opinion.

Shoaib Malik wasn't the whistle blower instead he was part of the oath gate scandal. That's self generated concept. Atleast YK did not took part in ousting Malik whereas Malik played an important role in oath gate scandal. Did Malik apologized to YK for the conspiracy? YK betrayed Malik is your personal opinion. Not proved by facts. Malik could have remain separate and quiet same as YK during the conspiracy but he took active part and played a key role instead .

Mentioned the fact already, why YK refused to captain after Inzi's retirement. When he was offered the asked authority he accepted captaincy.

I provided you a media statement. If you find one saying YK apologized to Ijaz Butt to get in the team again, Do let me know. His performance in WC 2011 has nothing to do with this thread. So try to stick to the topic.

 

[Fallen King]

Retarded captain is just your opinion.

It is not opinion if it is proven fact. Check 2009.

Shoaib Malik wasn't the whistle blower instead he was part of the oath gate scandal. That's self generated concept. Atleast YK did not took part in ousting Malik whereas Malik played an important role in oath gate scandal. Did Malik apologized to YK for the conspiracy? YK betrayed Malik is your personal opinion. Not proved by facts. Malik could have remain separate and quiet same as YK during the conspiracy but he took active part and played a key role instead .

I don't think you understand the concept of white blower or infiltrating the group. On the official record in accordance to Aqib Javed, Shoaib Malik revealed about the oath-gate undermining the captaincy of Younus. He explained everything about the group practice from the inside job.

How did Shoaib Malik know this? He was invited to the group on the behalf of Kamran Akmal. Yousuf was hesitant at Malik first, and quite frankly, he was right to do so given what he did to Malik's captaincy earlier. In return, Shoaib Malik betrayed the whole group just like the whole group betrayed Malik under his captaincy. That's why Yousuf started going after Malik after Sydney Test. To the extent, Yousuf even blamed on Malik for the defeat of Sydney Test. Again, this is on official record.

Where in the world do you live?

Mentioned the fact already, why YK refused to captain after Inzi's retirement. When he was offered the asked authority he accepted captaincy.

I provided you a media statement. If you find one saying YK apologized to Ijaz Butt to get in the team again, Do let me know. His performance in WC 2011 has nothing to do with this thread. So try to stick to the topic.

Why change the mind later at the most heinous ways? He also had history with Inzimam regarding the captaincy issues. This goes way back.

According to the rumor, after ODI WC 2007 Younus didn't get similar privilege like Inzimam did. But PCB Chairman aka Naseem Ashraf didn't want another Inzimam. So Younus backed out. PCB chose a perfect chamcha, Shoaib Malik. Back then, Malik was still nobody; reputed as yes-man.

After the resignation of Musharraf which means it was over for PCB Chairman Naseem Ashraf because he was recommended by Musharraf. After Zardari came into the picture, Ijaz replaced Naseem Ashraf as PCB chairman. People also wanted Younus Khan. Younus Khan saw the perfect opportunity and took it.

The fact is if both Ijaz But and Younus Khan were celebrating together over after Pakistan lost home series. That should give some hints.

 

[sunnykhan]

It is not opinion if it is proven fact. Check 2009.




I don't think you understand the concept of white blower or infiltrating the group. On the official record in accordance to Aqib Javed, Shoaib Malik revealed about the oath-gate undermining the captaincy of Younus. He explained everything about the group practice from the inside job.

How did Shoaib Malik know this? He was invited to the group on the behalf of Kamran Akmal. Yousuf was hesitant at Malik first, and quite frankly, he was right to do so given what he did to Malik's captaincy earlier. In return, Shoaib Malik betrayed the whole group just like the whole group betrayed Malik under his captaincy. That's why Yousuf started going after Malik after Sydney Test. To the extent, Yousuf even blamed on Malik for the defeat of Sydney Test. Again, this is on official record.

Where in the world do you live?



Why change the mind later at the most heinous ways? He also had history with Inzimam regarding the captaincy issues. This goes way back.

According to the rumor, after ODI WC 2007 Younus didn't get similar privilege like Inzimam did. But PCB Chairman aka Naseem Ashraf didn't want another Inzimam. So Younus backed out. PCB chose a perfect chamcha, Shoaib Malik. Back then, Malik was still nobody; reputed as yes-man.

After the resignation of Musharraf which means it was over for PCB Chairman Naseem Ashraf because he was recommended by Musharraf. After Zardari came into the picture, Ijaz replaced Naseem Ashraf as PCB chairman. People also wanted Younus Khan. Younus Khan saw the perfect opportunity and took it.

The fact is if both Ijaz But and Younus Khan were celebrating together over after Pakistan lost home series. That should give some hints.

Not a proven fact. Just a mere opinion. Very few will say that he was a retarded captain.

Sharing with Aqib only means whistle blowing? Is that so? Yousuf and Malik's conflict goes back to 2007 when according to Yousuf, Malik dropped him from 2007 T20 World Cup squad whereas Malik said, it was selectors who took the decision. Both were not on talking terms. YK was the peace maker between the two and they both played two good innings together. One in CT 2009 and the other in one of the test in SL. Malik betrayed the oath gate isn't on record. Check your facts pls. Aqib, Inti and Afridi all called Malik as a trouble maker in front of the committee. Google it!

LOL at heinous ways . He wanted to be the captain with his own terms. Once accepted, he got the captaincy. Nothing is heinous in his action or betrayal with Malik as far as YK is concerned.

 

[Fallen King]

Not a proven fact. Just a mere opinion. Very few will say that he was a retarded captain.

Whatever suits you. Only retarded captain acts retarded hence his captaincy was short-lived due to his retardedness.

Sharing with Aqib only means whistle blowing? Is that so? Yousuf and Malik's conflict goes back to 2007 when according to Yousuf, Malik dropped him from 2007 T20 World Cup squad whereas Malik said, it was selectors who took the decision. Both were not on talking terms. YK was the peace maker between the two and they both played two good innings together. One in CT 2009 and the other in one of the test in SL. Malik betrayed the oath gate isn't on record. Check your facts pls. Aqib, Inti and Afridi all called Malik as a trouble maker in front of the committee. Google it!

This is amazing. I just posted the screenshot of Aqib Javed above. Aqib Javed revealed Oath-gate report based on what Shoaib Malik told him regarding what he witnessed the practice of oath-gate.

The rest are pointless since everyone were blaming on each other. Less said about Inti and Afridi, the better given their credibility. Afridi was involved behind the undermining of Malik's captaincy. Inti made conflicting reports on the captaincy of Malik, Younus and Afridi which not only put them in poor light, but presented conflicting reports on the captaincy of individualism.

LOL at heinous ways . He wanted to be the captain with his own terms. Once accepted, he got the captaincy. Nothing is heinous in his action or betrayal with Malik as far as YK is concerned.

I take it Younus Khan had the right to demand the captaincy over already-appointed captain. Similarity, i should respect the same demand of Mohammad Yousuf since he had the right to demand the captaincy over already-appointed captain.

 

[sunnykhan]

Whatever suits you. Only retarded captain acts retarded hence his captaincy was short-lived due to his retardedness.



This is amazing. I just posted the screenshot of Aqib Javed above. Aqib Javed revealed Oath-gate report based on what Shoaib Malik told him regarding what he witnessed the practice of oath-gate.

The rest are pointless since everyone were blaming on each other. Less said about Inti and Afridi, the better given their credibility. Afridi was involved behind the undermining of Malik's captaincy. Inti made conflicting reports on the captaincy of Malik, Younus and Afridi which not only put them in poor light, but presented conflicting reports on the captaincy of individualism.



I take it Younus Khan had the right to demand the captaincy over already-appointed captain. Similarity, i should respect the same demand of Mohammad Yousuf since he had the right to demand the captaincy over already-appointed captain.

As I said, Majority will disagree to your opinion of YK was a retarded captain. Your opinion is personal and it can not taken as a fact.

So how did Malik became the whistle blower when Aqib was the one who mentioned about the oath gate scandal in his report? Malik merely shared the incident with an individual while Aqib presented it to the whole committee. Can you spot a difference? Malik didn't reported to any official in PCB. Plus, Aqib might have used Malik's name to cover himself up.

If rest was pointless then you should not have mentioned it in your post to which I had to reply with facts. Aqib and Malik's words can be taken as a holy scripture but Inti and Afridi aren't credible sources. Keep it up mate!

Lastly, YK didn't indulged in undermining Malik's captaincy whereas Malik was part of a rebel group. There is a huge difference between the actions of two players.

 

[Fallen King]

As I said, Majority will disagree to your opinion of YK was a retarded captain. Your opinion is personal and it can not taken as a fact.

For the sake of your beloved cricketer, i am letting this off the hook.

So how did Malik became the whistle blower when Aqib was the one who mentioned about the oath gate scandal in his report? Malik merely shared the incident with an individual while Aqib presented it to the whole committee. Can you spot a difference? Malik didn't reported to any official in PCB. Plus, Aqib might have used Malik's name to cover himself up.

I guess pper does struggle to read between the lines. Shoaib Malik informed to one of the official coach of PCB, Aqib Javed, part-time bowling coach, who informed the incident revealed by Shoaib Malik to PCB and that's how it came to the media. Now you are gonna debate on formality now? This is embarrassing.

Malik was part to the group and he exposed it through the proper channels. If he wasn't part of the group, there is no way oath-gate incident would have become public. It doesn't take genius to figure this out.

If rest was pointless then you should not have mentioned it in your post to which I had to reply with facts. Aqib and Malik's words can be taken as a holy scripture but Inti and Afridi aren't credible sources. Keep it up mate!

Lastly, YK didn't indulged in undermining Malik's captaincy whereas Malik was part of a rebel group. There is a huge difference between the actions of two players.

Well, oath-gate was proven fact which means Shoaib Malik was not lying about oath-gate undermining the captaincy of Younus Khan. Aqib Javed credibility is not the question here because he brought the incident to PCB and media revealed by Shoaib Malik. So it doesn't make sense to target his credibility here.

Younus Khan didn't indulged in undermining Malik's captaincy nor revealed oath-gate to any coach or any proper channel to stop this happen. It will be hard to believe your version since Younus was beneficiary behind the ouster of Malik as captaincy which makes him top priority somewhat similar to the role of leader of the group.

 

[sunnykhan]

For the sake of your beloved cricketer, i am letting this off the hook.



I guess pper does struggle to read between the lines. Shoaib Malik informed to one of the official coach of PCB, Aqib Javed, part-time bowling coach, who informed the incident revealed by Shoaib Malik to PCB and that's how it came to the media. Now you are gonna debate on formality now? This is embarrassing.

Malik was part to the group and he exposed it through the proper channels. If he wasn't part of the group, there is no way oath-gate incident would have become public. It doesn't take genius to figure this out.



Well, oath-gate was proven fact which means Shoaib Malik was not lying about oath-gate undermining the captaincy of Younus Khan. Aqib Javed credibility is not the question here because he brought the incident to PCB and media revealed by Shoaib Malik. So it doesn't make sense to target his credibility here.

Younus Khan didn't indulged in undermining Malik's captaincy nor revealed oath-gate to any coach or any proper channel to stop this happen. It will be hard to believe your version since Younus was beneficiary behind the ouster of Malik as captaincy which makes him top priority somewhat similar to the role of leader of the group.

It's not about beloved. It's just about right and wrong. Have a poll for your sake.

Aqib Javed brought immediate attention of PCB to the matter after Malik revealed it to him?? Why did he waited for PCB to set up the committee after horrendous Australia tour? I'm still waiting for a proper logic from your end. The whispers of rebel group had already been started when Pak was bundled at 90 odd in SL. Rana Naved also mentioned about the oath gate scandal in front of the committee, same as Aqib did. He can also claim to be the whistle blower according to your logic . So no thanks to Malik. Aqib giving reference of Malik doesn't make Malik a 'whistle blower.'

Ok, YK got captaincy after Malik's ouster so he should be blamed anyhow. What a logic sir! I'm privileged! Now just let me know one thing. Who's a better individual between two:

1- Stayed away from politics and rebel group. Only did his job and went home.

2- Took active part in rebellion, persuaded others to join in the wrong doings, under performed etc.

 

[Fallen King]

It's not about beloved. It's just about right and wrong. Have a poll for your sake.

Majority support Younus Khan blindly. In their mind, Younus Khan can do no wrong despite of his shady involvements recently, not to mention blackmail.

Aqib Javed brought immediate attention of PCB to the matter after Malik revealed it to him?? Why did he waited for PCB to set up the committee after horrendous Australia tour? I'm still waiting for a proper logic from your end. The whispers of rebel group had already been started when Pak was bundled at 90 odd in SL. Rana Naved also mentioned about the oath gate scandal in front of the committee, same as Aqib did. He can also claim to be the whistle blower according to your logic . So no thanks to Malik. Aqib giving reference of Malik doesn't make Malik a 'whistle blower.'

Malik was part of the group, and he brought oath-gate to Aqib Javed hence the public.

Oath-gate info came later after or during Sydney Test. After Sydney Test, Yousuf personally blamed Malik for the Sydney Test loss because that was the day the whole PCB found out the truth about Yousuf and his oath-gate group.

If it wasn't for Shoaib Malik, there would be no public information about oath-gate.

Check out the names of the oath-gate group; Shoaib Malik, Afridi, Misbah, Yousuf [ring leader], Kamran, and Saeed Ajmal.

None of them reported this to Aqib Javed except Shoaib Malik, hence Aqib Javed mentioned his name.

Regarding Rana Naveed; after oath-gate, Rana Naveed came to the clean after T20 loss against Australia where he was rumored to deliberately undermined in that T20. He came clean, apologized, and blamed on Yousuf for all the problems.

Rana Naveed never mentioned about oath-gate because he wasn't part of the group so how could he? PCB, coaches, any players who weren't part of the group didn't even know there was oath-gate. Malik was among a few who were part of the group, exposed it to Aqib Javed [official] to take revenge back. Also worked in favor of Younus Khan too.

Luckily, Kamran convined Yousuf to take Malik as part of the group, otherwise, oath-gate wouldn't come to the public.

Ok, YK got captaincy after Malik's ouster so he should be blamed anyhow. What a logic sir! I'm privileged! Now just let me know one thing. Who's a better individual between two:

1- Stayed away from politics and rebel group. Only did his job and went home.

2- Took active part in rebellion, persuaded others to join in the wrong doings, under performed etc.

Oath-gate started with Shoaib Malik. Younus Khan knew about this, but chose to remain silent spectator, why? That same oath-gate ended up taunting Younus Khan at the end due to his betrayal against Shoaib Malik earlier at the expense of Pakistan cricket. Quite frankly, Younus Khan got what he deserved.

At least, Shoaib Malik exposed oath-gate through proper channel, Aqib Javed unlike that retarded coward, Younus Khan. Several times he had been exposed due to his greedy for the captaincy started with Inzimam. His greed for captaincy started way back, even before 2007. Today, we all know why. Only retarded coward is capable of blackmailing PCB to get himself selected for ODI WC several times, rather than proving his worth in limited domestic season to prove his worth.

 

[MachoKhan]

There is a viral video where Saeed ajmal reveals everything regarding that accident against younis khan. According to him more than 10 players took oath against younis khan.
Question: did those player ever get punished?

 

[Pete Rose]

Yes. He was a terrible captain. Running to the Karachi press to burnish his credentials. He deserved to be sacked.

 

[chinaman00]

Honest people like Younis Khan can’t survive in a rotten place like the PCB. It was always a treat to watch him captain and play; especially that World Cup win in Twenty20.

 

[Usman Chadda]

This was the phase where it all started to go downhill for us. Mediocre cricketers like Shoaib Malik were given the responsibility of leading a group of men who were clearly above his level, and as is our culture, would never have accepted him as an authoritative figure.

Once the ** started with Malik, it just spiralled into a vicious cycle of various players wanting to be captain and no one giving two hoots about what it does to the team. I find it funny how the likes of Razzaq and Yousuf sit there on TV and lament the decline of Pakistan cricket, when it was them and Afridi who started it in the first place. These players only taught younger players how to indulge in politics and save their spots, rather than guide them according to how they were nurtured in their younger years.

 

[superman]

Honest people like Younis Khan can’t survive in a rotten place like the PCB. It was always a treat to watch him captain and play; especially that World Cup win in Twenty20.

He was not honest. He used his links in the media to blackmail himself into ODI selection several times. He was the worst ODI batsman to play over 100 matches bar none. He was a lot worse at 2 world cups than Malik in this one. Doesn’t justify the revolt but he definitely was not an honest innocent man