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West Indies (163 & 244) beat Pakistan (154 & 133) by 120 runs in the second Test, leveling the two-match series at 1-1

jamie smith said:
Shan,babar,kg and agha should be permanently dropped after this test
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Aga might end up being PAK Test cricketer of 2024!!! Overall team is poor, and tactically even worse - remember, WIN was allowed to add over 125 from 37/7 and last pair put 68 on this track.
 
MMHS said:
PAK might not beat their first innings here - Riz made 49 to take it past 150, but this time he has nine, ten & Jack to accompany
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WI scored 250 in second innings because they are better strikers of the ball. It was required on this treacherous surface
 
Now warrican is officially the highest wicket taker for the series. 17 wickets in 2 tests. That is unbelievable.
 
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Embarrassing defeat for Pakistan. Very similar 'getting beaten at your own game' vibe ala India losing to New Zealand at home. The last time West Indies won a test in Pakistan was 1990.

Still, I hope this doesn't discourage them from preparing spin-friendly pitches.
 
kudos to windies spinners to have found their speed and length quickly in this series..also showed lot of composure in second inning..its not easy to up your game mid series..
 
It is a travesty not being able to see if a fast bowler can reverse or not on this highly abrasive surface. That is done. 120 win is a comprehensive thrashing.
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Embarrassing defeat for Pakistan. Very similar 'getting beaten at your own game' vibe ala India losing to New Zealand at home. The last time West Indies won a test in Pakistan was 1990.

Still, I hope this doesn't discourage them from preparing spin-friendly pitches.
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I'll say it again. There needs to be balance.
England series pitches were better
 
Hahahha lost by 120 runs against westindies at home .

This is embarassing for pakistan cricket .
:kp
 
Pakistan made the same mistake that India did against NZ.
Nomi and Saj are capable of picking wickets on better surfaces.
But by preparing these minefields they brought WI spinners into the game
 
Ahmed216 said:
Pakistan made the same mistake that India did against NZ.
Nomi and Saj are capable of picking wickets on better surfaces.
But by preparing these minefields they brought WI spinners into the game
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Pakistan/ India should have played on normal pitches just like england series

Theses rank Turner reduce the different of quality spinners
 
Devadwal said:
Pakistan/ India should have played on normal pitches just like england series

Theses rank Turner reduce the different of quality spinners
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India's failure is not just due to that. Toss decision is one thing. Also Indian top order once again looked up to tail to bail them out. First time Ashwin and Jadeja failed together with bat. IT backfired. Also they wasted Sundar down the order. Rohit getting out to Henry on those two tracks was criminal. I think INdia offered a green top at BEngaluru and it backfired. SO they over-reacted. Backfired as they lost two tosses in a row.
 
PAKISTAN FINISHES LAST IN THE WTC POINTS TABLE 2023-25

No wonder PCB and pakistan fans are didn't want to accept two tiers system in test cricket .

:kp
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Embarrassing defeat for Pakistan. Very similar 'getting beaten at your own game' vibe ala India losing to New Zealand at home. The last time West Indies won a test in Pakistan was 1990.

Still, I hope this doesn't discourage them from preparing spin-friendly pitches.
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They beat PAK in a Test in the UAE sometime back though.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
India's failure is not just due to that. Toss decision is one thing. Also Indian top order once again looked up to tail to bail them out. First time Ashwin and Jadeja failed together with bat. IT backfired. Also they wasted Sundar down the order. Rohit getting out to Henry on those two tracks was criminal. I think INdia offered a green top at BEngaluru and it backfired. SO they over-reacted. Backfired as they lost two tosses in a row.
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indian batters are simply not good batters of spin..they will struggle against any team that has decent spinners ..even worricon and motie will be handful against indian batters ..aslo after ashwin retirement they would struggle to have a replacement of his quality
 
baba ghazi said:
indian batters are simply not good batters of spin..they will struggle against any team that has decent spinners ..even worricon and motie will be handful against indian batters ..aslo after ashwin retirement they would struggle to have a replacement of his quality
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But Indian tail was doing a great job. Axar, Jadeja, Ashwin with bat. They were the ones who bailed us out.Once they didn't do INdian team batting got exposed.
 
Josh said:
Dust bowls have their downsides 😉
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India found out with their humiliation to NZ. It can happen to anyone.

Doesn't account for top-order batting worse than opposing tailenders.

One frontline seamer is quite simply insulting with no all-round option
 
Shan Masood in the Pitch Side Studio:

"I think we let the tail score too many runs, 107 runs for the last 2 wickets. It's become a bit of a pattern. We have let the tail score runs from the last few series, I think starting from Bangladesh when we had them 26/6 down, South Africa again at Centurion, and here in the both Tests."


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FearlessRoar said:
Shan Masood in the Pitch Side Studio:

"I think we let the tail score too many runs, 107 runs for the last 2 wickets. It's become a bit of a pattern. We have let the tail score runs from the last few series, I think starting from Bangladesh when we had them 26/6 down, South Africa again at Centurion, and here in the both Tests."


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This guy is indirectly blaming the bowlers. Someone needs to confront him and ask him what about your captaincy?
 
Ahmed216 said:
I'll say it again. There needs to be balance.
England series pitches were better
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They underestimated West Indies and expected them to roll over on these types of pitches. To their credit Windies adapted to the conditions brilliantly after the pasting they got in the last match and returned the favour in kind. They punched above their weight and beat a significantly better side at their own game.

Not a single batsman in their team even averages 40.
 
This was not a 240 pitch by any means. West Indies batsmen rose to the occasion and showed much better skill, defence, street smartness, sweeps, reverse sweeps, rotating the strike, running bw the wickets. Pakistani spinners bowled very poorly in the second innings, to concede more than 150 runs on that wicket was criminal. Brathwaite played a match winning innings.
 
Ahmed216 said:
Pakistan made the same mistake that India did against NZ.
Nomi and Saj are capable of picking wickets on better surfaces.
But by preparing these minefields they brought WI spinners into the game
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Noman and Sajid are bang ordinary on regular pitches. They were out bowled by Nathan Lyon and English spinners in 2022 & 2023. These spinners need a dust bowl to have a career.
 
Savak said:
Noman and Sajid are bang ordinary on regular pitches. They were out bowled by Nathan Lyon and English spinners in 2022 & 2023. These spinners need a dust bowl to have a career.
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noman amy still survive on flatter track but sajid wont survive without the rough area outside of offstump
 
Savak said:
Noman and Sajid are bang ordinary on regular pitches. They were out bowled by Nathan Lyon and English spinners in 2022 & 2023. These spinners need a dust bowl to have a career.
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Those were not regular pitches. Noman also took a 7-fer in Sri Lanka to help Pakistan win a series there. Shan's captaincy should also be called into question. There's only so much you can blame someone who took a 10-fer and a hat-trick in the same match.
 

Spinners bowl West Indies to series-levelling win​


West Indies’ spin trio of Jomel Warrican, Kevin Sinclair and Gudakesh Motie took all ten wickets in the second innings to hand West Indies a 120-run series-levelling win in the second Multan Test on Monday.

Warrican stood out with figures of 16-4-27-5 as Pakistan were dismissed for 133 in 44 overs chasing 254 runs.

Pakistan resumed day three from their overnight score of 76-4 and could only face 20 overs before losing the remaining six wickets. At the start of the day, Saud Shakeel (13, 30b, 1x4) and nightwatchman Kashif Ali fell in a space of five balls to Sinclair and Warrican, respectively.

With Pakistan reeling at 76-6, Mohammad Rizwan (25, 62b, 1x4) and Salman Ali Agha (15, 33b) came together to stitch a 39-run stand off 77 balls, which was broken by Warrican as he pinned Salman leg before in the 38th over.

The remaining three wickets came in the next six overs as West Indies romped to their fifth Test match victory on Pakistan soil. Apart from Warrican, Sinclair contributed with 3-61, while Motie dismissed two batters for 35 runs in his 11 overs.

Scores in brief (Day 3 of 5)

2nd Test – West Indies won by 120 runs at the Multan Cricket Stadium, Multan

West Indies 163 all-out, 41.1 overs (Gudakesh Motie 55, Jomel Warrican 36 not out, Kemar Roach 25; Noman Ali 6-41, Sajid Khan 2-64) and 244 all-out, 66.1 overs (Kraigg Braithwaite 52, Tevin Imlach 35, Amir Jangoo 30, Kevin Sinclair 28; Sajid Khan 4-76, Noman Ali 4-80)

Pakistan 154 all-out, 47 overs (Mohamamd Rizwan 49, Saud Shakeel 32, Sajid Khan 16 not out, Kamran Ghulam 16; Jomel Warrican 4-43, Gudakesh Motie 3-49, Kemar Roach 2-15) and 133 all out, 44 overs (Babar Azam 31, Mohammad Rizwan 25; Jomel Warrican 5-27, Kevin Sinclair 3-61, Gudakesh Motie 2-35)

Player of the match and series – Jomel Warrican (West Indies)
 
Fair play to WI, few gave them a prayer after the drubbing in the 1st Test. PAK underestimated WI spinners thinking it would be a repeat of the ENG series where Sajid and Noman outbowled their counterparts.

On normal SC surfaces you'd back us to outscore their batting lineup which is even more fragile than ours. Instead these lottery pitches created low scoring shootouts that masked those deficiencies and reduced the gap between the teams in these conditions. It was impossible to get set even with a solid technique and temperament.

PAK have also developed an alarming habit of letting teams off the hook. 16-4 vs AUS, 26-6 vs BAN, 99-8 vs SAF and now 38-7 vs WI.

This is probably the worst PAK Test team in my lifetime and our bottom placed finish in the WTC table should prompt some serious introspection with everything from captaincy, selections, pitch preparation and the FC system all coming under the scanner.
 
Markhor said:
Fair play to WI, few gave them a prayer after the drubbing in the 1st Test. PAK underestimated WI spinners thinking it would be a repeat of the ENG series where Sajid and Noman outbowled their counterparts.

On normal SC surfaces you'd back us to outscore their batting lineup which is even more fragile than ours. Instead these lottery pitches created low scoring shootouts that masked those deficiencies and reduced the gap between the teams in these conditions. It was impossible to get set even with a solid technique and temperament.

PAK have also developed an alarming habit of letting teams off the hook. 16-4 vs AUS, 26-6 vs BAN, 99-8 vs SAF and now 38-7 vs WI.

This is probably the worst PAK Test team in my lifetime and our bottom placed finish in the WTC table should prompt some serious introspection with everything from captaincy, selections, pitch preparation and the FC system all coming under the scanner.
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Alarming habit for sure. These are all matches Pakistan could and should have won. And had they won these matches, there would probably be a far different outlook around this team today.

But fact is, they didn't. And that is why they are the side that they are.

I'm not sure if there is too much different they can do regarding selection though. This is more or less their best team they have. The FC talent pool is bone-dry.
 
Shan Masood in the post-match presentation:

"I think the only option left was to bring the fast bowler on and have a crack (on losing advantage on Day 1). They batted well, but that's something that we have to learn. We have struggled to get the tail out here, something that we did well in Australia, but we also struggled in South Africa. Even in the game we lost right now, the first day, we were in a position where we wanted to be, just one bad performance, it led to a domino effect, but you can't forget the way we have played right through."

"We have realised that one extra partnership can have a big effect on games, that's what we want to learn quickly. It's a game of all stakeholders, appreciate the players to be willing to throw themselves into the den without being used to it (on their batting struggles). We did win 3 of the 4 Tests on such pitches, we did well on the first session here as well. It's important to see some encouraging signs - when Saud and Rizzy got their fifties, I got a 60-ball fifty in the first Test, Babar contributed as well."
 
Honestly , this shouldn't matter to PCB.

No team is better prepared for CT than Pakistan and it's your best format.

A humiliation in CT should have serious consequences

Pakistan don't have what it takes to hack it in Test cricket currently.
 
Congratulations WI, well deserved win. I said before the game if they win the toss, their spinners were capable of causing issues and winning a test.

They have won here. Also drew a series in Australia. So fair play to them
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Honestly , this shouldn't matter to PCB.

No team is better prepared for CT than Pakistan and it's your best format.

A humiliation in CT should have serious consequences

Pakistan don't have what it takes to hack it in Test cricket currently.
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There's no hiding in a format like Test cricket. Good thing for Pakistan is that they can put their problems in this format in a box and forget about them because they don't play test cricket for another 8 or 9 months. So they can reassess after that. For now I agree, the focus should shift completely to ODI cricket.
 
FearlessRoar said:
Shan Masood in the post-match presentation:

"I think the only option left was to bring the fast bowler on and have a crack (on losing advantage on Day 1). They batted well, but that's something that we have to learn. We have struggled to get the tail out here, something that we did well in Australia, but we also struggled in South Africa. Even in the game we lost right now, the first day, we were in a position where we wanted to be, just one bad performance, it led to a domino effect, but you can't forget the way we have played right through."

"We have realised that one extra partnership can have a big effect on games, that's what we want to learn quickly. It's a game of all stakeholders, appreciate the players to be willing to throw themselves into the den without being used to it (on their batting struggles). We did win 3 of the 4 Tests on such pitches, we did well on the first session here as well. It's important to see some encouraging signs - when Saud and Rizzy got their fifties, I got a 60-ball fifty in the first Test, Babar contributed as well."
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Just a load of weak excuses from a clueless captain
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
There's no hiding in a format like Test cricket. Good thing for Pakistan is that they can put their problems in this format in a box and forget about them because they don't play test cricket for another 8 or 9 months. So they can reassess after that. For now I agree, the focus should shift completely to ODI cricket.
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The bigger concern, after ODIs, should be the T20 format where PAK have fallen behind rapidly.

No easy fixes in Test cricket.
 
Jomel Warrican may have saved Pakistan cricket with his bowling in this match.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
The bigger concern, after ODIs, should be the T20 format where PAK have fallen behind rapidly.

No easy fixes in Test cricket.
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Agreed. Actually their condition in T20 is even more alarming to me. Because this is a format that Pakistan has historically excelled at, even when they were poor in the other formats.

Problem is that they are not willing to embrace the modern demands of his format. They should be packing the side with young players with high strike-rates. But mentally they are still stuck in 2021. Though they don't exactly have the same players, they could learn alot from India's approach to T20 cricket.
 
Shan Masood while addressing the press conference after losing to the West Indies in the 2nd Test:

The series result:

"The result we desired didn’t come through, but the positive point is that when you’re fielding first, you know that the fourth innings will be the toughest. So, in the first innings, we tried to restrict the opposition as much as possible, and up to eight wickets, we bowled really well."

"In Test matches, the combination of your first innings bowling and batting is key to maintaining an advantage for the third and fourth innings. A lead of nine runs could have been crucial, but we made mistakes in both our batting and bowling."

The crucial moments in the match:

"When we were 119 for 4, we got out for 154, which was a turning point. In such scenarios, partnerships from the opposing team can take the match away from you. If we had managed to get 200 runs or a 100-run lead, the game would have been completely different."

"We learned that we can’t afford to wait in such Test matches. Opportunities arise from the first day itself, and a match can be decided right then, especially in these kinds of conditions."

Preparation and conditions:

"We haven’t played enough domestic cricket in these conditions, but the exposure has been valuable. We need to adapt, and our batters need to get accustomed to these conditions for future performances."

"As for the bowlers, we need to figure out how to get the opposition out quickly. In these conditions, scoring over 140-150 in the fourth innings can still lead to a competitive total, as the pitch has some turn and unpredictable bounce."

The tailenders’ contribution:

"The tailenders' contributions in this series have been crucial. We saw it in the South Africa tour, too. They were able to make runs, and that’s been a key factor."

"In this match, we couldn’t manage to get the tailenders out quickly, which impacted the result. We’ll need to improve on this and ensure that we can close out innings by dismissing the tailenders faster."

Accountability and team effort:

"In Test cricket, we win and lose as a team. You can't pin the loss on just one individual. The first innings was crucial, and we lost momentum early on."

"There was freedom for the opposition, and if we had managed to take a 100-run lead or executed better, the match would have been a different story."

Babar Azam’s performance:

"Babar Azam's ability is unquestionable, and we saw it in the second innings as well. He was looking set, and if he and Saud Shakeel had batted longer, we could have added more crucial runs."

"In these conditions, it's vital to build partnerships and keep pushing forward. Though we didn’t get a century, we all have a role to play in achieving a challenging total."

Team decisions and respect for the board:

"We’ve always accepted the decisions of the PCB, and we play for Pakistan. Any decisions made are taken with the team’s best interests in mind."

"Looking forward, we need to improve our performance in these challenging conditions. It’s about getting exposure and adjusting our approach, whether it’s in domestic cricket or international tours."
 
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Pakistan fell in its own trap by creating tampered pitch. LOL.

So what will be the game plan going forward? Continue prepering these kind of pitches or go back to flat decks?

Hahaha.
 
FearlessRoar said:
Shan Masood in the Pitch Side Studio:

"I think we let the tail score too many runs, 107 runs for the last 2 wickets. It's become a bit of a pattern. We have let the tail score runs from the last few series, I think starting from Bangladesh when we had them 26/6 down, South Africa again at Centurion, and here in the both Tests."


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What is your performance besides giving lectures in English

Kick him out asap
 
i think england series pitches were the ones we need to create i am not sure if that was a fluke or not but they didnt spin this much but we did have just one pacer and three spinners there then aswell
 
The WI tail showed in both inns you could bat on this pitch. Both sides here have such poor top 6-7 and until that improves they will keep seeing indifferent results
 
All the entries on the Multan Cricket Stadium honors board during the Pakistan vs West Indies Test series

 
West Indies captain Kraigg Brathwaite, post-winning the 2nd Test against Pakistan while addressing the press conference:

"Both Test matches were played on tough pitches, and we knew that. As I said, I just wanted us to be brave and execute whatever plans we had as well as possible, because, regardless of what, there will be a ball with your name on it on this pitch."

"I mean, it was a difficult pitch to bat on, so it was good to see the confidence we showed while going about it. As I said, I’m very proud of this team."

"It was all about the batters being brave. As I said, everyone’s going to have their plans, but be brave in whatever you want to do as batters."

"I would say Pakistan can prepare the pitch however they want. What I’ll say is that batters will not average high on these pitches. You’ll average 15-20, and obviously, the spinners will do well. As I said, it’s a difficult Test pitch to score runs. You’re going to get out regardless; it’s just a matter of when. So, as batters, we had to come up with a plan for how we wanted to score and put runs on the board."

"Jomel was outstanding. To see how he went about his bowling and the pressure he built from ball one was amazing."

"With the bat, you can’t count him out. I think he did a fantastic job with the bat as well. But bowling-wise, I know he’s worked hard over the years. He’s been in and out of the team, but it’s good to see him get the chance and grab it. Very, very proud of him—he was outstanding."

"It’s a very important win for us. It just shows that we can get it done in any conditions once we believe and always have a plan."

"It’s right up there with some amazing Test wins, because coming here, playing here in Pakistan, it’s never easy to win a Test match. So, coming away with a win is fantastic."
 
Hellion said:
Brathwaite, Sinclair, Motie, - such giants of the game
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They're players suited to the conditions. Pakistan are also mediocre.

Obsessed. Can't not draw Pakistan in ICC events yet simultaneously want to isolate them. Weird
 
SpiritOf1903 said:
They're players suited to the conditions. Pakistan are also mediocre.

Obsessed. Can't not draw Pakistan in ICC events yet simultaneously want to isolate them. Weird
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You called them giants of the game.

And now you're rambling about random things.

I suppose I'd be ranting too if my board tampered the pitches and still ended up bottom of the table after losing to a weak team bereft of their T20 mercenaries
 
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Hellion said:
You called them giants of the game.

And now you're rambling about random things.

I suppose I'd be ranting too if my board tampered the pitches and still ended up bottom of the table after losing to a weak team bereft of their T20 mercenaries
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Windies are historically giants, no?!

But they're nowhere near that standard now
 
Congratulations to West Indies! 👏👏

They put pakistan at their right place - the last on the table. I am happy to see the meltdown by the pakistani fans.
 
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